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If you feel that I have reverted an edit or issued a warning in error, please let me know. I am human, and I do make mistakes. Please don't interpret an error on my part as a personal attack on you. It's not, I promise. I ask you to simply bring it to my attention; I am always open to civil discussion. Thank you. TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)]]
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Disruptive IP[edit]

Hi TSD, would you mind having a look at the contribs of 65.60.240.178 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for me? Thanks! ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  11:33, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention CJinoz. I have issued them a warning in an attempt to give them one more chance, though their activities could have warranted an immediate block. If they persist, please let me know and I will deal with it. --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Appreciate it! ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  21:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
@CJinoz: Blocked them for 24 hours per their summary and continued edit warring. --TheSandDoctor Talk 23:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. They also posted a number of very distasteful messages on my talk page. ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  05:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Surely one or all deserve a warning (at the very least) for incivility and re WP:NOT? ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  06:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
It looks like the new 5. IP might be a separate person. The IPv6 IP is very likely related to the 65. ip IMO. there are more edits from the IPv6 IP in it's range as well. SQLQuery me! 01:16, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018[edit]

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Tech News: 2018-43[edit]

23:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Tak #3[edit]

Hello. Could improve bot to adding space instead of underscore character in parameters? Eurohunter (talk) 13:00, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Eurohunter, the bot makes use of the substitution trick and underscores are used within Infobox album itself for the values. Based on that, it could not be done if using the trick. Take this edit for instance in which I did just change it in the code, as you can see, the code change had no effect since it is the proper/official way per the template itself. It has already done around 100 thousand pages this way. Also, that would not be an "improvement" visually or in the source editing, rather a zero sum change based on personal preference. Everyone is probably going to have a different opinion on this.
With that said, I do appreciate you coming forward with suggestions and don't want to discourage you doing so in the future as well Face-smile.svg. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 16:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Replied SkyGazer 512. --TheSandDoctor Talk 16:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Task 3 Infobox album etc[edit]

Have you got a list of articles that have potential string module errors? i.e Where the bot has detected a problem and self reverted. If you have can I have a copy please, so that I can start ploughing through it to fix the problem articles. - X201 (talk) 08:27, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

It can now be found under "errors", "errors2", and "errors_mac". I cannot guarantee that there are no duplicates in those datasets at this time. I will compile them etc later if you like. As for the running of the bot, I seem to remember the bot being significantly faster. I see if it is possible to speed it up any today (unfortunately my workstation isn't cooperating with pybind11 right now, so can't run it on the 8700k) I will probably need the weekend. --TheSandDoctor Talk 13:33, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm surprised that there are only six errors though. Will that list update automatically or do you have to manually upload it? - X201 (talk) 14:28, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
@X201: The bot updates its list internally (in install location under the folder it creates called "errors") on its own, I just put them on GitHub at that moment in time so yes, I will have to manually update/commit & push it. The bot has no coding for committing to GitHub. The bot skips anything in Module:String errors, so the errors there are ones that weren't in it already, but the bot inadvertently added to. That keeps the number extremely low, the self-revert was an addon to keep the number of issues as low as possible and it appears to have worked as I haven't seen any issues reported since its implementation (or before if memory serves). The way the bot works is:
  1. Make the edit
  2. Review the edit just saved, does the page now contain Module:String errors where it didn't before? If not, move on, if so, revert self so long as the bot was the last editor but not the one before that (second last).
Module:String errors would be a good one to run through first as the bots should never conflict. Hope that helps. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I've generated a list from the String Module Errors cat, that's given me 3000 to be going on with. Will clear the Infobox album errors first, then see what's left. - X201 (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, just to say, DeprecatedFixerBot just caused a "String Module Error: Match not found" message with this edit. ‑‑YodinT 09:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Yodin: Fixed by adding |year=TBA.
    Shouldn't the bot also have substituted {{Singles}}? Jc86035 (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: I've added some of the capitalized parameters for {{Singles}} into the tracking system. Would it be possible to change the bot task to substitute that template if it's in the category? Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Sorry for the delay, there is already a separate task for doing that not dependant on the category in question.
@Yodin: It appears that the very next edit was also the bot reverting itself, which means that it caught it and is therefore working as intended. That task checks its own work, I am not sure what happened there as it appears it caught itself previously on that page. --TheSandDoctor Talk 20:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

hi[edit]

nice to meetyou --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Adtoglobal (talkcontribs) 09:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@Adtoglobal: You too, how may I help you? --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Siouxsie-related articles[edit]

I'd ask you to stop using your bot on the articles about the albums of this singer. Your domestic changes don't add anything except withdrawing a few things that were present before your edits [1] & [2]. I had to rectify the details that your presentation had erased, this must not happen again. Carliertwo (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Carliertwo, I believe you are referring to this task. In which case, what the bot is doing is updating the infobox album (and its redirect) templates as they contain what are called deprecated parameters. Deprecated parameters are issues to be resolved, and usually can be done so quite easily with a bot. The bot was officially approved to do this for all articles affected. While the changes were indeed not visual (which wasn't the point), they were still meaningful and removed the articles from Category:Music infoboxes with deprecated parameters. Just because a task has a negative edit summary (most bot tasks do), does not mean they are a mistake or need reverting based on that alone. I would encourage you to read the closed Bot Request For Approval, which is linked in the edit summaries and above. Please do not revert the bot, it is working as intended and doing sanctioned work. It is not "erasing" anything as there is no visual change to the articles in question. The bot works on all articles currently in that category, meaning that it is highly probable that the bot will come across it again on its own. I shall tag the people involved with the request if they wish to comment further on it. @Xaosflux, JJMC89, and SQL: --TheSandDoctor Talk 00:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
That said, I thank you for coming forward with this. Letting bot operator(s) know of issues when reverting is preferable as often times it is not possible to review every edit a bot makes and most often operators are not logged into the bot account itself to see such notifications (ie reverts) as the account's only purpose is automated editing. --TheSandDoctor Talk 01:21, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Looks like it is working as intended to me. Those parameters were only meant to include the title and year. — JJMC89(T·C) 06:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Re your email: I am referring to edits like this being correct. |Last album= and |Next album= are only supposed to contain the album title and year (with markup), not the extra bits that are in there. — JJMC89(T·C) 01:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-44[edit]

20:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bot[edit]

Hi TSD,

DeprecatedFixerBot seems to be purging the format and filename data on Template:Infobox single instead of updating them to use Template:Audio sample with the misc parameter.

This is a double whammy, because B-bot picks up on the aftermath and prods the audio file under CSD criteria, which means that (depending on how long this has been happening) a lot of fair use files may be in peril.

Best,

   C M B J   02:58, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@CMBJ: Hi there, the BRFA was to simply substitute Infobox single using the substitution trick, it shouldn't have removed that. I have deactivated the task in the bot's status page while I look into this, but I have a feeling it is more on the template's side than the bot itself (see "Task 3 Infobox album etc" section above as well). I am pinging Jc86035 as they are an active template editor and one that I frequently turn to with template related questions. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. In the case of that specific image, I have rolled back my bot and reverted the nomination by the other bot. If you are aware of any other instances, please feel free to do that same or tell me about them and I shall. The same goes for restorations if any were deleted as a direct result.
Jc, could we please have your input on this? Could the template subst trick be updated to take this into account or do you have any other suggestions etc? --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: I'm not sure why the substitution actually worked without any errors (it shouldn't have), but this is because the template was placed at the end of |Next single= instead of in |Misc=. The template should have been categorized into Category:Music infoboxes with malformed table placement, but it wasn't for some reason. Jc86035 (talk) 05:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Jc86035: This task does not run off any category, rather the transclusions. I shall add a check for that category the next time I am on tools (next day or two) if you feel that that would be necessary/beneficial. The task won't run between now and then, but based off your comments, it appears that it wouldn't be/isn't a widespread issue? --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if it would have been widespread. For some reason, the chronology parameters were not included in the tracking for the table placement category, which is a little worrying. I have temporarily added tracking to {{Infobox single}}; assuming a random distribution, if there are more than a few entries in the category afterwards (of the yet-to-be-substituted transclusions) then there is probably a roughly equivalent proportion of the bot edits to be fixed. (Special:Contributions/B-bot conveniently lists a few other casualties, such as Divine Intervention (album)'s alternate cover image.) Jc86035 (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
46 pages have been newly placed in the category (there were 10 earlier today). I suspect you or someone else may have to go through all of the diffs to see if any subtemplates were removed. Sorry for not figuring out this would happen earlier (I don't really remember that much about working on these templates, to be honest). Jc86035 (talk) 10:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Jc86035: I shall go through that category. As for the alternative cover you mentioned, that was not the bot's doing. It was removed in this edit by an IP. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't notice that. Presumably some of the other edits are about the accidental removals; there have probably been a few more, and the file-checking bots probably didn't catch all of the accidental removals (especially possible removals of {{External music video}}, which would be difficult to notice in passing). Jc86035 (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Adding Infobox single to Category:Music infoboxes with malformed table placement (21) has bumped it up to 700+ pages, after I emptied it out a couple of weeks ago (I'm not complaining; thanks for fixing this oversight!). Bots and scripts that subst templates should avoid pages in that category. If I have time, I'll work on the pages. Pinging Zackmann08 as an FYI. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Fixer Bot and chronology templates[edit]

Hello! I have a bunch of album articles on my watchlist, and I've been casually following the adventures of DeprecatedFixerBot as it updated the chronology and extra chronology parameters. Things seemed to be going swimmingly, but it got confused with this one for some reason. I've fixed the article, but maybe you could take a look at this and see what you think. Thanks. Mudwater (Talk) 06:18, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Mudwater: That is indeed curious. My initial assessment is that it appears that that occurred since someone else had included the date in a format that it was not expecting, so it just copied & pasted it. Probably a glitch which isn't widespread, but I will look into it further tomorrow night, okay? I have stopped the bot task in the meantime. --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Good, thanks! Mudwater (Talk) 06:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
P.S. Most albums don't have a slash in their title, but that one does. Maybe that has something to do with it. Mudwater (Talk) 06:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Mudwater: Could be it, but again, that is without me going through the code as I don't have time to at the moment. I shall get back to you with more when I find out myself. It will be a day or two as the next couple are fairly busy off-wiki for me. --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:42, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2018-45[edit]

17:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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Replied Dlohcierekim & emailed. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Issue in IRC[edit]

Hi! Are you one of the admins in wikipedia-en-help in IRC? If yes,why you banned this ip:183.78.95.171?Snoopy Jian (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Snoopy Jian: I am indeed, but did not ban any IPs recently so cannot answer that unfortunately. --TheSandDoctor Talk 17:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Xbox games with HD support[edit]

Deletion review for List of Xbox games with HD support[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of Xbox games with HD support. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MechWarriorZero (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Elton John[edit]

I know you love the Rolling Stones and I was wondering if you would review an article for an artists from the same era, Elton John, which I nominated for GA. Thanks for your consideration!MagicatthemovieS (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

I am not sure if I will have time to do this until closer to Christmas. That said, I have had Keith Richards nominated for months, so it will probably still be free. --17:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-46[edit]

19:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

How can I make article better[edit]

Hi TheSandDoctor!

I'm working on this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:OnTheGoSystems. Can you please help me? It is hard to write an article about the company without referencing web site of that same company. It is very hard to write about history and of a company without using their own web as a reference. Same also goes for their products. I managed to do that by looking at various web site, I've found an interview with person that has founded the company, I've searched dozens of web sites so I would find those that are not affiliated with company. If you look at initial article you will see that it was much broader with lot. Can I use sites such as https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/multilingual-wordpress-wpml/ and https://wpmayor.com/using-wpml-plugin-best-bet-building-multilingual-website/ as source of information and for reference? I have just now changed the tone of the article. Is it good enough now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamdelaboyan (talkcontribs) 06:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Xbox games with alternate display modes[edit]

Hello,

Just wondering why this page was deleted. Are you planning to combine it with the full list of games?

That page, while not always accurate, was very helpful to people looking for games with advanced display modes for the time on the Xbox. If possible, I would like it to be reinstated unless the information can be provided elsewhere.

Cheers for your time.

P4ngw4ng (talk) 17:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@P4ngw4ng: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Xbox games with alternate display modes for the explanation. In short, it was in violation of Wikipedia policy (specifically, the WP:NOTCATALOGUE and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE sections of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). It was disputed at a deletion review, however, the close as "delete" was endorsed and the discussion closed as improper (read discussion linked for details). The page was indeed deleted by me, but was merely enacting the consensus of others. I am sure that there are Wikipedia mirrors that will still have it and sites such as deletionpedia and know for a fact that it is now here. --TheSandDoctor Talk 17:30, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018[edit]

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