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Inquiry about Hedge fund structure ongoing discussion[edit]

Hi there, TSATF, since you were a thoughtful interlocutor on the Hedge fund page earlier this year, I'd like to see if I can draw your attention to another (long) discussion about a suggested rewrite of the same article's Hedge fund structure section.

Several editors have been involved; early appraisals were positive, then more critical views were expressed, and I've been working along through them to revise my proposed draft. It has been a week since any of the others responded, so I have just pinged them and, if you are able, I'd like to see what you think. For ease of catching up:

I hope you'll have a moment to take a look and comment. However, if it all looks like too much, I'll certainly understand. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks WWB - why should it be too much? It shouldn't be. Better to discuss it thoroughly than edit war. The only thing more offputting than lengthy discussions is no discussion at all, right? TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I just mean it's been a long discussion! But not at all an edit war, far from it. Responses have mostly been genuine suggestions for improvement—although also quite a few cooks in the kitchen. Looking forward to your input! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Quick update here: I've agreed to other editors' suggestion that we take this subsection by subsection, and earlier this week I posted the first in a series of requests aiming to get consensus around these updates. This should be easier to process, and I'd love to get your input. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:01, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Note Talk:Fazhengnian[edit]

User:Edouardlicn has been actively (to some including me, aggressively) in editing content on Falungong-related content in both Chinese and English version of Wikipedia. I have encountered many personal attacks by him when I tried to convince other Wikipedians that the article on Fazhengnian should be deleted on the grounds that it is not supported by any primaryreliable secondary sources. I believe that I made myself clear that if any secondary sources exist, the article may be able to stay. Not a supporter of Falungong or any religious or political group myself, I have been attacked personally because of my opposition to his viewpoint. Now s/he (not sure about his or her gender, my guess is a man) filed for contested deletion, kept on arguing that Chinese government and Falungong sources are enough to support an encyclopedia article. This message is just a heads up from me, a concerned Wikipedian. --Hanteng (talk) 08:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. In my experience it is important not to waste time or brain power on people who make very clear that they're worth neither. When I've got a sec later I will propose the article be speedily deleted, and if that doesn't work then perhaps another AfD process. I don't think there is any point trying to have an intelligent discussion or argument with Edouardlicn. The article is not really a major concern anyway. In fact, if it means that all his disruptive energies are focused on one small, obscure pocket of the encyclopedia, then I would prefer it be left for a sandpit. I am not sure that is likely, though. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 17:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your sharing. Good idea to spend our cognitive surplus somewhere else. --Hanteng (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Your take is wanted on this template discussion[edit]

Happy new year! There is a discussion to properly rename the Template_talk:Primary_sources#Propose making the contents match the title so as not to conflate the issue of using primary sources and the issue of lacking third-party sources. I hope that you can express your view there. --Hanteng (talk) 06:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I will review that. Had to euthanize that Falun Gong specimen before it became more of a tesseract for the hordes over on zh.wikipedia. Better to keep them over there than open up a portal, if you know what I mean. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hedge fund follow-up[edit]

Happy New Year, TSATF! I could really use some help, if you have time, with on some changes I've proposed to the Hedge fund article. As I mentioned the last time I commented here, I agreed with other editor to split up the discussion of Hedge fund structure by sub-section, and proceed accordingly.

We got through about half of them before the editor who had taken the lead decided he was more concerned about the article's overall length, complexity and US-centrism than the factual and verification problems I've sought to address. I replied that I saw merit in his points, and that could be the basis of further work, though I'd still like to address what we can now, based on what I've prepared. The editor suggested that would be fine, but he'd prefer to let someone else do it.

Where it stands now: Discussion derailed around my proposed revision for The legal entity sub-section, and you follow that discussion here. Would you be willing to look at this? I'm going to ask one other editor who had expressed interest in helping, and I'd be thrilled if I could get both your views on the page. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

OK. I will look. I have to scrape together 30 minutes a day for Wikipedia and pick what best to use it on. I'll tell you what I like: writing articles. The last thing I like is engaging in difficult and protracted and complex discussions. All I'm thinking is: gee, I could be writing an article right about now. But you are polite and insistent and I am sure it's for a good purpose that you ask for my lowly opinion. The truth is, too, that so few people seek my opinion these days - my children stopped doing so long ago - that I'm willing to invest that time just to stay in that spotlight a little bit longer. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I totally understand this is volunteer time I'm asking after, so if you find it's not something you want to spend time looking at, then feel free to let me know. But you've given sound input on the page before, so I'd like to have it again if possible. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking for a project?[edit]

I've been doing a bit of work on Mo Yan over the last few months, but am thinking about doing something more ambitious with it. I seem to remember you had a certain familiarity with contemporary Chinese literature, and thought you might like to help out. Have you read Perry Link's article on him in the New York Review of Books? If you're interested, I'll tell you more about what I have in mind. Homunculus (duihua) 01:48, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

My next big project will be an article about Chinese local government debt. There is no article on this currently. It's a huge topic. Keep an eye out. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 03:03, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


Hello TheSoundAndTheFury. In the light of the recent article substantial changes and improvement in sourcing, would you mind to withdraw the AfD? AgadaUrbanit (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I could use more eyes[edit]

Hi there. I'm wondering if you could take a look at this page, where I'm in disagreement with another editor who I understand you have some history with. I wrote up a big thing spelling out the points we disagree on, and could use some outside views. I'm probably asking a lot, but the page is being considered as a "Did You Know,"[1] and if a consensus can't be reached, then it might not run. TheBlueCanoe 13:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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--Guy Macon (talk) 07:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Guy. I will take a look and see if I can be of any help. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hmmm. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 23:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, from a DR/N volunteer[edit]

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Hedge fund question[edit]

Hello there, TSATF! It's been awhile, and I hope all is well. I wonder if you'd be willing to look at a discussion that's been ongoing a few weeks on the Hedge fund Talk page? Back in May, I'd suggested some changes to the Systemic risk section, and discussed some revisions with User:Wildfowl. While he is supportive of the changes generally, we haven't been able to agree on how to handle a sentence that reads:

The large sums of money involved – globally, well over a trillion US dollars, and amplified by leverage – add to all these risks.

I'd prefer to add more context (for which I've offered suggested language) or remove it. Wildfowl doesn't think so, and would prefer to leave it. Alas, we've had trouble finding another viewpoint. Let me know if you think you can! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi; my issue is that I have limited time on Wikipedia and I want to spend it productively, rather than attempting to mediate disputes that arise as a result of your being paid in order to advance certain viewpoints. Sorry. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 03:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Bo Xilai[edit]

I don't quite see what's going on at BXL, or the problem with my edit, and in any event your "revert" seemed to have had absolutely nothing to to with what I had done. I'd appreciate a bit more care when you use Twinkle. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 08:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Apologies for that; indeed, they were unrelated, and my revert of your addition was not deliberate. I think I was thrown by the latent update system. Good day. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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A confusing ref on Confucius Institute[edit]

Back in 2011 you added a ref to the Confucius Institute article and it's still there. The ref reads "Brady 2011, 81", but there was never any Brady citation on the page so it's just a meaningless broken ref. Could you look at the page and see if you remember where the rest of the citation is or else remove the ref entirely. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 14:25, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, @Metal.lunchbox: Thanks for pointing this out. The book is Anne-Marie Brady's "China's Thought Management" (Routledge). I'll fix the reference right now. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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