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mapping discussion in various subsections of Talk:United States
Hello TheVirginiaHistorian, I've left some comments over there, but I thought this one was probably more of a usertalk type of comment. Feel free to repaste / rework / ignore it, as you think will help best.
One of the map-triplets that was in your recent set, is the electoral college map. This excludes the territories, which is of course a touchy subject at the moment. Point being, although it is correct that the electoral college vote itself excludes the territories from participating, it is not the case that they are excluded entirely from the presidential election process. The major parties, at least, specifically include the territories in their national conventions, with voting delegations allocated mostly based on population (so the territories are relatively tiny when it comes to voting for a potus-nom and a vpotus-nom at the RNC and DNC conventions). However, the territories are also represented in the national RNC and national DNC membership bodies, which set the rules for potus campaigns: debate invite criteria, ordering and tempo of the state-by-state caucus and primary balloting, rules for which delegations from each state will be accepted when there is a factional battle at the state-party-level, and so on.
Point being, rather than using a map of the electoral college, which nowadays when 99.9% of the time the nominal 'members slash voters' of the electoral college are required by law and/or by tradition to vote the party line, I would suggest instead putting forth the map of the voting-strength allocated to each geographical region at the major-party conventions. The rules for delegate-allocation change all the time (cf the national RNC body), and since the 2012 convention the rules are actually able to be changed *between* elections by the national RNC body, no longer needing approval from the full convention delegation. So take these wikilinks with a large grain of salt: here is the calculation-guide for delegate-allocation according to the (now outdated) 2008 party rules: Republican_National_Convention#Delegations. Here is the 2012 Roll Call, which uses different rules than the ones at the earlier wikilink, and in particular, penalized several states for scheduling their primary-or-caucus ballots without national RNC sanction: Results_of_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Convention_roll_call. I looked around a little to see if we have on-wiki copies of the Democratic roll calls, but their last few potus-election-nominees have been pretty much decided long before the actual DNC convention, so I'm not sure we do. We have 2008_Democratic_National_Convention#Rules which is almost the same, though, and we have a superdelegate list, plus maybe a total delegates list here Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Local_contests.
Anyways, since you seem like you might have the skills needed to make an alternative map-instatiation, which shows the delegation-allocations from the states and territories and DC which contribute to the major-party-nominee-selections, which are distinct from (and arguably more crucial than) the modern electoral college splits. Once the general election rolls around, the swing-state voters are the deciding factor between team R and team D, and at that point, although it is true that none of the territories are directly participating, it is also true that the majority of the *states* are not participating either. In the 2000 election, only Florida and Ohio mattered, in picking Bush v Gore. However, at the earlier stages, when Bush and Gore were still gathering support to become the party nominees, territorial input was a non-negligible factor. In 2016 it might turn out to be a very-much-crucial factor, depending on how close the Republican race is to a photo-finish and a brokered convention. In any case, I think the states-and-territories delegation-strength-map, as opposed to the electoral-college map (or the color-coded-and-population-sized variant thereof), which are not as germane to who *picks* the two presidential nominees, as opposed to which swing-states pick *betwixt* the two nominees. I'm happy to help with number-digging and whatever else, if you want to take a crack at this delegate-style U.S. map. Thanks, 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- others interested in us congressional map making include Kurykh, Kelvinsong and Magog the Ogre. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 07:54, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
You mentioned you had an interest in Virginia stamps. Any chance you could help me find a source for the sentence "Jefferson has been honored on U.S. Postage since 1856, and was the second president to be featured"? Right now it's cited to "Scott Stamp Catalog, Index of Commemorative Stamps", but there's no page number, link, year, etc., so it doesn't seem to meet verifiability requirements. On the other hand, I don't know anything about philately, so if this is a sufficient reference already, just let me know and I'll remove the tag. Thanks! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
- The 1856 Jefferson US 5c. is noted at Arago: people, postage and the post, the website for the Smithsonian collection, . The 1847 Washington US 10c. . We have an article, U.S. presidents on U.S. postage stamps with a section on Jefferson for reference. As I say, I am not in favor of replicating that section in our Jefferson article as as been done at George Washington. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. And wow, that is out of control at George Washington. For Jefferson for now I'm just leaving in a single sentence on postage and a single sentence on currency, which shouldn't be too bad. After the GA review is done, we can compare to some FAs to see if even those two sentences should go. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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