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Qantas Flight 1 AFD

I replied back[1] to Dolphin 51 about his use of could have, would have, and rumored. It's true, the Carnival Airlines 727 missed landing at a small regional airport, which has one of its fences maybe 3/4 of a mile from my own present home. In 1996 we lived in another place, but still only a mile to 1.5 miles from the airport. Had Carnival tried touching down, it would have flown almost right over us....William 14:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I used to be a strict inclusionist like him, then I took an arrow to the kneehung out at AfD for awhile. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

A trick for finding Ryan's socks

I have this[2] bookmarked. All somebody has to do, is search the page(I use Firefox and one of its features allows you to search a page for certain words) for either the word flight or crash two times a day. Not all new crash articles are done by him, but you can check out who the creator is and then go from there if you hear the sound of a quacking duck....William 15:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Heh, handy. Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Fort Gates Ferry

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

18 Months (album)

Hello! I see you reverted my edit on 18 Months (album) because I was barred from undiscussed moves. I can understand why, but I am a little angry about that because I did the right thing. It was the only thing on Wikipedia titled 18 Months! I used common sense. Just remember, from now on, if my moves make sense, then please don't revert them. Thank you! Bob Mono (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the discussion closed thus: no moves without going through the requested move process. Period. If you do another move withough going through the WP:RM process again, it will be reverted and you will be blocked. I'm sorry, but until the community regains confidence in you in this matter, that's the way it is. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mike Chase

There's a minor hook/article issue with your nomination, which I expect is easily fixed. Please stop by the template when you get the chance. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've fixed it there. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Jacksonville, Wyoming

It's been nominated for deletion[3] but the article looks like a blatant hoax if you check its edit history.(Population 16, then 2, then 7 million plus![4] The AFD is unanimous delete. I think this piece of nonsense should be sent ASAP to the shredder either as a WP:HOAX or WP:SNOW based on the way the AFD is going....William 23:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I took a look. Telling that gMaps for "Jacksonville, Wyoming" gives you Jackson Hole Airport. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 August newsletter


The final is upon us! We are down to our final 8. A massive 573 was our lowest qualifying score; this is higher than the 150 points needed last year and the 430 needed in 2010. Even in 2009, when points were acquired for mainspace edit count in addition to audited content, 417 points secured a place. That leaves this year's WikiCup, by one measure at least, our most competitive ever. Our finalists, ordered by round 4 score, are:

  1. Conradh na Gaeilge Grapple X (submissions) once again finishes the round in first place, leading Pool B. Grapple X writes articles about television, and especially The X-Files and Millenium, with good articles making up the bulk of the score.
  2. Wisconsin Miyagawa (submissions) led Pool A this round. Fourth-place finalist last year, Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, and has reached the final primarily off the back of his massive number of did you knows.
  3. Minnesota Ruby2010 (submissions) was second in Pool B. Ruby2010 writes primarily on television and film, and scores primarily from good articles.
  4. Scotland Casliber (submissions) finished third in Pool B. Casliber is something of a WikiCup veteran, having finished sixth in 2011 and fourth in 2010. Casliber writes on the natural sciences, including ornithology, botany and astronomy. Over half of Casliber's points this round were bonus points from the high-importance articles he has worked on.
  5. Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) came second in Pool A. Also writing on biology, especially marine biology, Cwmhiraeth received 390 points for one featured article (Bivalvia) and one good article (pelican), topping up with a large number of did you knows.
  6. New York City Muboshgu (submissions) was third in Pool A. Muboshgu writes primarily on baseball, and this round saw Muboshgu's first featured article, Derek Jeter, promoted on its fourth attempt at FAC.
  7. Michigan Dana Boomer (submissions) was fourth in Pool A. She writes on a variety of topics, including horses, but this round also saw the high-importance lettuce reach featured article status.
  8. Canada Sasata (submissions) is another WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist in 2009 and 2010. He writes mostly on mycology.

However, we must also say goodbye to the eight who did not make the final, having fallen at the last hurdle: Russia GreatOrangePumpkin (submissions), England Ealdgyth (submissions), England Calvin999 (submissions), Poland Piotrus (submissions), North Carolina Toa Nidhiki05 (submissions), Florida 12george1 (submissions), Cherokee Nation The Bushranger (submissions) and Republic of Macedonia 1111tomica (submissions). We hope to see you all next year.

On the subject of next year, a discussion has been opened here. Come and have your say about the competition, and how you'd like it to run in the future. This brainstorming will go on for some time before more focused discussions/polls are opened. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 00:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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  • Thanks again for looking into this strange matter because I'm beat and my brain hasn't been operating at 100% in the last 24 hours. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Air Accident article

I was going to do one on the fighter plane that in 1972 crashed[5] into a ice cream parlor killing over 20 people. Should I name it after the ice cream parlor, the aircraft or the air show?...William 12:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. Certainly a notable crash, but a good question. I'd say "Fearrell's Ice Cream Parlor Crash" might be a reasonable title. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dexter Bean

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


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False truth?

  • Hey BR, what do you think about this? Except JDW, I don't see the other defence journals reporting on this and already the internet is full of PAF supporters pasting such unconfirmed deals in them forums, the last thing I want to see is for it appear here. Thoughts? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
If JDW's reporting it, I'd say it's legit, although additional sources would be good for, if it was the Russians reporting a contract, that would be another matter (since they have historically proven to be incapable or unwilling to distinguish between an RfP, a "that would annoy the Yanquis", and a contact...!) - The Bushranger One ping only 18:25, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for S.H.I.E.L.D. (TV series)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

École de Saint-Cyr Coëtquidan

Hi! The renaming is wrong: you mistook the name of the Coëtquidan campus, shared by several different schools, for the name of the school itself. Please see Talk:École de Saint-Cyr Coëtquidan. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, I'll move it right back! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

David Rackley

Could you please do something about this article? We're having problems with IPs putting in uneyclopedic material. Thank you....William 22:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected the article for three days. (That reminds me of a tale about the minor-league club in Clearwater, Florida: the story goes that an umpire once ejected the ballpark's organist from the game, when after a close, controversial play the organ struck up a rousing rendition of "Three Blind Mice"...) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:21, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for protecting the page. With regards to your anecdote, something very similar happened about a month ago. AutomaticStrikeout 22:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
All this has happened before, and all this shall happen again. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I know the story. When I read it at Wikipedia, I was skeptical at first(You get that way after you see the amount of bs I have found in articles here) but checked it out and was happy to hear it was true. The organist Wilbur Snapp has an article and I neatened it up a while back. Thanks for the help with the Rackley article....William 22:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pemberton-Billing P.B.1

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Drayton Island Ferry

Orlady (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Chase

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Niazi

Noting your closing comments on this: the article was re-created a couple of hours later and is heading back into a cycle of problem editing on CSD notices. Worth blocking further recreation? AllyD (talk) 09:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

There's a Commons image too, which I've now DR'ed. I have a side bet as to whether Pieter Kuiper opposes this as it's "in use". Andy Dingley (talk) 10:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
  • And now he is reappearing under variant names: Daniel Niazi Nappen Jacobsen. There are a few potential variants in the 4 names... AllyD (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
    • That's odd - the semiprotection on the original deleted redlink vanished somehow. I've protected it and the alternative fully. Time for Whac-a-Mole! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 1900–1909

Something has to be decided about this template. I edited out all the links to non independent articles. The template was TFD but survived the TFD with no consensus. One editor keeps insisting the links should be put back in. I tried twice to solicit other editors to check in on the subject, but other than MilborneOne, nobody did. Their is a talk page discussion, Milborne supports me, the one editor who wants the links back in, one editor who doesn't say he supports the independent article rule, has put the links back in saying "feel free to nominate it again. the solution should be to either (a) add links or (b) delete the template. having an entirely blank template is pointless." Oddly enough, it was the editor I just quoted not myself who nominated it for TFD. Michael5046 has been told more than once to bring the independent to the aviation accident talk page, but hasn't done it....William 14:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree that there shouldn't be a template filled with links to non-crash articles... - The Bushranger One ping only 15:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Canadian International Air Show

Dear BR: Any chance we can get this article semi-protected? It has been the scene of persistent vandalism in the form of protests against the event that is the subject of the article (which was on this past weekend), for the last few days and they just don't seem to be giving up. - Ahunt (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this yesterday. And ugh, some people have no clue. Semiprotected for a week. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you kindly! - Ahunt (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brad Teague

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

British Eagle

We're having problems with vandalism here from an IP. Could you please protect the article? Thanks....William 20:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Protected for three days. (And is it just me or is that article the poster child for WP:BOMBARDMENT? - The Bushranger One ping only 21:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
It definitely is. A little under 3 years ago citations totalled 11, now the total is nearly 200. Most were added by IPs. I get a headache just looking at the inside of a British Eagle edit box....William 22:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Teri MacDonald

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

You may have to block someone

Hmmm. Well, it looks like most of what he's doing is replacing plain start dates with the {{Start date and years ago}} template. Is there a consensus against this? If there isn't it looks to me like good-faith, if likely ill-conceived, editing... - The Bushranger One ping only 01:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree that having that "Starting date" template there is fine but it messes things by not observing that non-American airlines tend to use the DMY format. Secondly and as you've said, he has done it without consensus. Lastly, I'm not even sure if he is paying attention to the warnings left on his talk page because he has been warned repeatedly for flouting rules here and yet he has not said a word to acknowledge or address them issues. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, I'll give him a last warning and see if he starts talking. If not... - The Bushranger One ping only 02:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I think he is also using Thejatboy. The other day you said "any further use of multiple accounts by him will result in his main account being blocked". [6] I'm sure it's him but I've asked Amalthea if he/she can confirm this. [7]--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Might want to see about filing a WP:SPI case? If it's him, that'd be it, alas... - The Bushranger One ping only 01:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
You can check. You will find no connection between my account and Thejatboy. No other users/third party agree with Nasir Ghobar on Talk:Ranjit Singh, so he is accusing me. If you find any connection block me and i will have no objection. ThanksTheman244 (talk) 02:05, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Theman244, the discussion on Talk:Ranjit Singh is about whether or not to add the relevant information regarding Ranjit Singh being appointed as governor by King Zaman Shah Durrani in 1799. Nobody disagreed with me on that but just one person and that is you.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 11:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
A SPI would clear up things one way or the other quickly enough. Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 02:05, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
It's not worth it at this point, Amalthea was not sure so it's likely a different person. Theman244 probably realized that he will be reported if he creates any new names. Thanks, and sorry for the unnessary reporting.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 11:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


I've unblocked this IP address. I wanted to let you know because you might have some concerns. The rationale can be found on UTRS.--v/r - TP 14:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Works categories

Thanks again, this time for nominating the rest of the Archaeology museum categories. Do you use AWB or another tool to help with that sort of thing? I'm hoping to get set up on AWB again, but can't currently use it either at work or home.

About Category:Tintin: do you envisage setting up Category:Works based on The Adventures of Tintin? That would span the films & games sub-categories, and unofficial books. I think Tintin and the Lake of Sharks should come out of the main books sub-cat but could go into "Books based on..." (with Breaking Free and Travel Diaries) as well as the Films category. There are also films and books that could go in a Category:Works about Tintin. – Fayenatic London 19:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Never used AWB in my life. Face-smile.svg I just use Twinkle, nominate them one category at a time, then manually edit them together. As for Tintin, the "Works based on..." would certainly be something worth setting up, I'd think. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, I'll have a look at TW. I've avoided it so far because I've mainly noticed it when it was doing more harm than good.
I'd like to talk over where the "works based on works" should end up. "Tarzan films" was an example that was mentioned a week or two ago, and I think I see the case for making that "Films based on Tarzan". But what about James Bond? It also started with books, but has become so predominantly a film thing that it would currently strike me as a bit absurd to rename Category:James Bond films to "Films based on James Bond".
Another question is whether something can be based on more than one medium. Star Trek obviously started on TV, but the films (excluding the latest) were definitely part of the canon, explicit continuations of two of the TV series. Some of Category:Star Trek books were based on the films, but as it's mostly true that the books are based on TV, it's acceptable for them to be in Category:books based on television series. But what about Category:Star Trek films‎ -- they are in Category:Films based on television series, but should they go down from Category:Star Trek into Category:Works based on Star Trek?
I see Choster has raised other points at the CFD for Category:Tintin. – Fayenatic London 17:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
It's like any tool - in the wrong hands it's a menace, in the right hands it's a lifesaver. As for "Films based on..." I think it'd be common-name; Tarzan is a borderline case, but certainly with Bond the films are the better known media now (it wouldn't surprise me if most moviegoers these days would go "Ian who?").
As for Trek, for instance, I'd argue that the films are indeed "Films based on Star Trek"; TOS came first, and in every case the movie follows the plots and characters of a previous TV series - even the Abrams movie is based on the characters and universe of the original TV show. If any of the movies had an original ship and crew it'd be sticky, but as it is they're all either based on Kirk's [i]Enterprise[/i], or Picard's. (Shame there's no DS9 movie...) - The Bushranger One ping only 13:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Teri MacDonald

I see where you're coming from but you don't retire from your nationality, do you? Regards, GiantSnowman 14:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but it was clear, at least to me, what was meant. "A Canadian former/retired racing driver" is gramatically awkward; "a retired Canaidan racing driver" means "a retired racing driver from Canada". Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 19:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to :) GiantSnowman 13:18, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Afd closing

Just a heads up. When you close AfD be sure to remove the template from the page and add the {{Old AfD multi}} to its talk page. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions.--Salix (talk): 07:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I know; I have the script thingie that does that. However, when a page has been moved during the AfD discussion, the script doesn't work right (which is why I try to encourage people not to do that.) Thanks for the catch. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Astor Bridge

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Osteen Bridge and Senator Douglas Stenstrom

Hi-I notice your article about the Osteen Bridge; it was well research and written. However, I noticed an article about Douglas Stenstrom, who was in the Florida Senate and for whom the bridge was named after, was needed so I started a stub. I have started a number of aricles about Wisconsin territorial and state legislators in the past. I hope the article will help. Just one modest request-please do not get myself with DYK-too much wikidrama that I can do without. Thank you-RFD (talk) 14:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for getting that started! Senstrom certainly seems notable and it's good to see more Florida articles out there! (And no worries with DYK.) - The Bushranger One ping only 14:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for responding-United States territorial and state legislators are considered notable addording to the guidelines-RFD (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. Keep up the good work. - The Bushranger One ping only 14:12, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Serial reverter on List of Hawaii Five-0 episodes, redux

Hey, Bushranger! Our serial reverter of two weeks ago, now hopped to User: is back and making the same silly edit, this time solely to be disruptive. I gave him/her a day or two to get the idea that this was inappropriate, but he/she responded to another editor's edit summary with edits that are clearly designed to be a smart-arse response. Would you mind having another look (original action was a semi protection on August 19; thread here is now archived) and doing what must be done? They're not going to let it go. --Drmargi (talk) 00:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Oy vey. Protected for a month this time, hopefully that'll do the trick. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Hopefully! Thanks for being so speedy! --Drmargi (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Military history coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject has started its 2012 project coordinator election process, where we will select a team of coordinators to organize the project over the coming year. If you would like to be considered as a candidate, please submit your nomination by 14 September. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact one of the current coordinators on their talk page. This message was delivered here because you are a member of the Military history WikiProject. – Military history coordinators (about the projectwhat coordinators do) 10:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Is Ryan back again

Check out ATI Flight 460....William 22:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:28, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
G'day, is there any reason for this HotCat edit? The sentence now lacks a bit of meaning. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 07:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, I hadn't realised it was inline in the text - just at the bottom. Formatted that way it put the page in the category and did not display the link (leaving the sentence identical in appearance before and after it was removed). I've restored it with the : modifier so the link shows as intended - thanks for catching that. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

École centrale de Lyon

Hi, this article has now been moved several times., one time by yourself. I'm having some problems with the editor moving it around (see my talk page), so perhaps you can have a look and see whether I'm out of line. Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 11:39, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

...hrm. Looks to me like an "I'm Right" type. It's telling that he doesn't make changes to the text on the page to support his claimed capitalisation. Also perhaps that it looks like he might be creating a walled garden of categories (Category:Grandes écoles (French engineers))...I've moved it back for now, if he wants it at the lowercase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and he needs to go through WP:RM. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Lois Frankel

Could you possibly protect this page? There's an IP who keeps putting in erroneous information.

I've met Frankel and spoken with her. That said, I'm not one of her fans but I will safeguard the article on her....William 15:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I've protected for three days in hopes that it'll spur the IP to post on the talk page about the information they want included. (Just don't forget WP:OR and WP:OWN!) - The Bushranger One ping only 18:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hoax agent

...gah. Why do the Filipino military articles attract so much of this stuff? The most recent edit was at least sourced, though. The removal of referenced content though...I'm not sure it's blockable (since I'm not sure it's a hoax per se) but he needs not to be removing sourced information thats for sure! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I think so...

...Brain, but if we didn't have ears, we'd look like weasels. Narf! -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Poit! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

French spelling rules

Dear Sir,

Isn't it pretty paradoxical that you claim to teach French spelling rules to a French native ?

Why didn't you have first a look at the French wiki ?

École centrale de Lille

Façade de l'École centrale de Lille Tour de l'École centrale de Lille École centrale de Lille : Bâtiment historique (1875-1968) de l’Institut industriel du Nord École centrale de Lille : Tour IDN - Institut industriel du Nord entre 1968 et 1991 Entrée du campus de Centrale Lille

L’École centrale de Lille aussi appelée Centrale Lille (EC-Lille) est une grande école d'ingénieurs généraliste française, établie en 1872 sous la dénomination institut industriel du Nord (IDN), héritière de l'école des arts industriels et des mines de Lille fondée en 1854. Elle est membre du groupe Centrale.

L’École centrale de Lille est située sur le campus de l’université des sciences et technologies de Lille, à Villeneuve-d’Ascq. Elle est l’une des écoles d’ingénieurs françaises assurant une formation du plus haut niveau scientifique, technique et entrepreneurial.

École centrale de Lyon

Nom original École centrale lyonnaise pour l'Industrie et le Commerce

École centrale de Lyon

L'École centrale de Lyon est une grande école d'ingénieurs généraliste française, située à Écully près de Lyon, fondée en 1857 et membre du Groupe Centrale.

Here you have the official spelling drawn from official governmental website :;jsessionid=5C5E37449BF2DAB399289F14D1A7158F.tpdjo11v_1?reprise=true&page=1&idSarde=SARDOBJT000007104972&ordre=null&nature=null&g=ls

Arrêté du 2 mars 2001 modifiant les arrêtés du 13 mars 1997 relatifs aux conditions d'admission à l'Ecole centrale des arts et manufactures, à l'Ecole centrale de Lille, à l'Ecole centrale de Lyon et à l'Ecole centrale de Nantes.

Are you convinced ?

Putting upper case letters to every word is a typical Anglo Saxon habit.

For marketing purposes there is a trend for those schools to follow the Anglo saxon habit, but it is not the official spelling.

Are you convinced ?

Best regards. Euroflux (talk) 10:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

French spelling rules may apply in French, but this is the English Wikipedia. Please read WP:COMMONNAME. If there "is a trend for those schools to follow the Anglo-Saxon habit" to the point where, in English, they are most commonly spelled using uppercase letters, then Wikipedia's articles should be at uppercased titles regardless of the official name. Also, with regard to your links to the French Wikipedia, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The best way to determine what title these should be at, though, is to follow the requested move process, present your evidence to the community, and establish a WP:CONSENSUS for the lowercase spelling. Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 15:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Silver River (Florida)

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Silver River (Florida) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Samar Talk 19:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Whataburger updates

Thanks for updating the references for Whataburger! I'm resuming copyediting, but you can keep adding those refs as I uncover more citation needed. :) AngusWOOF (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help out! Shame they pulled back out of central FL a couple years ago though... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I've organized the sections some more. Please take a look and fill in content as you see fit. I think I'm close to done with copyediting. AngusWOOF (talk) 04:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Gay Wikipedians close

Could you please re-check your close to this? I find your evaluation unsatisfying. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_5#Category:Gay_Wikipedians Blue Rasberry (talk) 03:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

The The result of the discussion was: result? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:07, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
While "The result of the discussion was: result" has a wonderfully circular appeal, I'm fairly sure that it is not what you meant Face-smile.svg. T. Canens (talk) 15:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
  • When you closed the discussion you put "The result of the discussion was: result." instead of keep. I don't know if you wanna change that or not, just wanted to point it out. NYSMtalk page 18:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Ugh, sometimes when I get distracted while closing I forget I haven't changed "result" to something else that's the actual result. Thanks for the catch - fixed now! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Olsen

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Today's WP:BOMBARDMENT new article of the day

Check out Charley Hull. One sentence article, five references. The article also fails WP notability guidelines for Golf, but that could change in less than 24 hours if Hull makes the cut in the Women's British Open. I'll wait to see how the tournament comes out before expanding the article. Should Hull miss the cut, I'll AFD it....William 01:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Facepalm! - The Bushranger One ping only 02:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Osteen Bridge

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:03, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Closing of a Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hello, The Bushranger. I see that you closed this discussion. I received an email to respond there (and at this WikiProject promptly), but I was three hours late to reading the email. Would you mind reopening it, so that I can make a comment there? Or is it too late now, per protocol? Flyer22 (talk) 00:16, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I have responded enough on the matter, and it seems that my responses won't help much. Nothing seems to help much on all of this. Flyer22 (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Randy Baker

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hantavirus Risk in Yosemite

Hi, I noticed you have decided to continue to uphold the block against User: because of reasons that I cannot see. However, I assume it has something to do with his involvement with Yosemite National Park's Talk Page. Recently, I have also tried to add a section acknowledging the Hantavirus Risk in Yosemite National Park, but my edit was similarly dismissed by [[User_talk:Jojhutton#Yosemite_Hantavirus|User:Jojhutton]. If the mention of deaths is the issue, then I believe we can include the information without directly mentioning the deaths.

I have written a new one-sentence draft of this edit in one of my subpages: User:Airelor/Yosemite_National_Park.

Please take a look and suggest any other edits or make any changes as you see fit before I try to add it to the main Yosemite_National_Park page. I am very new here and I know I probably don't know how to follow all the rules and regulations to make changes like this. If you know of any administrators or Wikipedia Users you can refer this draft (or me) specifically to for advice about this matter, that would be very appreciated too. Thank you. Airelor (talk) 21:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. The block against has expired; the unblock request was declined because (quite frankly) it wasn't a valid one. However he's now free to edit; I'm not familiar with Yosemite, alas, but if I get the chance I'll take a look. Face-smile.svg} - The Bushranger One ping only 21:44, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, looking at it, it seems like it would be suitable for the village article, but not for the park's - it's not really relevant to the park's history but it is to the town's, if that makes sense? - The Bushranger One ping only 22:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Having visited that particular section of the park myself, even before the rockslide, I think it does merit some importance if the park is losing visitors because of it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:57, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
That would be worth mentioning, yes, if it's citable (without being WP:SYNTH). - The Bushranger One ping only 23:00, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: 18:38, 24 July 2012 The Bushranger (talk | contribs) deleted page PCoIP (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PCoIP (3rd nomination))

Hi there,

I'm the online marketing manager at Teradici. We created and trademarked the technology and the term 'PCoIP' also known as PC-over-IP. I'd like to inquire on what reasons and basis the term 'PCoIP' has been deleted - and am more than happy to supply you with any information that you require for relisting PCoIP.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Thanks! Virtual-junkie (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

A few things

1- Could you please this close this[8] CFD if it hasn't been done already? I'm withdrawing it.
2- A editor has made a deleted article[9] page into a redirect. The AFD result was delete[10] and survived a deletion review[11] also. Can a deleted page be a redirect now? I did a speedy delete nomination.
3- This AFD[12] should be a WP:SNOW in my opinion. The articles look like hoaxes too, and many of the afd participants agree on that issue also. Thanks....William 20:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
  • To answer, 1. done; 2. Yes, they can be, but given that the DR explicitly rejected a redirect it's likely to be deleted (I'll let another do it though). However it's perfectly fine, unless explicitly rejected, to recreate as a redirect. 3. Hoaxadar pinging, deletion hammer weilded. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cameron D-96

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cameron D-38

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen this one: High Barbaree (film)?

An absolutely dreary and boring romance that features one of the most startling aerial scenes ever with Paul Mantz actually hovering in the air (the Stinson folks bragged that their Stinson L-1 Vigilant could actually accomplish this feat, but in a strong headwind, the L-1 could be seen slowly flying backward) as well as using combat footage of the "Black Cat" PBY Catalinas. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC).

I hadn't seen that before. Fascinating! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

...and another one: Today We Live

What a mishmash, a William Faulkner screenplay of a Howard Hawks film, carved up by the studio to add a romantic subtext, the slapping together of aerial photography with the unabashed use of the footage from Hell's Angels, the complete deletion of characters in the final release, and what do you have, a film that no one has ever heard about! It is a 1933 aviation film about World War I, as its only redeeming aspect. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2012 (UTC).

Sounds almost like a MST3K candidate. Nice work though! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Hunter Nemechek

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dean Chenoweth

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Silver River (Florida)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Organic Lawn Management (band) (2nd nomination)


In closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Organic Lawn Management (band) (2nd nomination), you left the article Folk's Reason for Living. It was a bundled nomination. -- Whpq (talk) 20:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch - my connection was burbling while I was trying to delete those, guess that didn't get through. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC on differentiating reference syntax in text window

Hi Bushranger-- based on the village pump discussion on giving reference syntax a unique color to differentiate from other text while editing, I've opened up an RfC to expand the audience on the topic. You are welcome to participate anytime. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 00:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look when I get a chance. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce

Looks like you missed the main article, Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce when you closed the related AfD, it was moved and you only got the redirect, tagged it for deletion, but thought I should leave you a note in case you want to review the situation. Monty845 05:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

  • ...aaaargh. That's why I hate, hate, hate, hate when articles get moved while they're at AfD. (Thanks for the ping though.) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jack Choquette

Orlady (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jeff Choquette

Orlady (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Drive Award

GA barnstar.png The Good Article Barnstar
Your recognition for 1 GA reviews at the last June-July GAN Review Round. Regards. — ΛΧΣ21 15:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

What to do when you find a gold mine of archival footage?

In Task Force (film), Warner Bros. comes across a wealth of archival material in 1948, from the U.S. Navy, including black-and-white footage of the beginnings of U.S. naval aviation, but some of it is current, and in color? Well, why not blend the two together in a lump of a film, that amazingly turns out to be one of the classic aviation films of all time. FWiW (see what I am working on) Bzuk (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC).

Awesome! I'll take a good look after the race. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

2010 IAF Sikorsky CH-53 crash

Is a recreation of an article that was successfully AFD[13]. I G4d it. Maybe the article needs salting. Its creator took part in the AFD....William 21:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Facepalm They can carry out WP:BOMBARDMENT all they want, it's still no more notable. Looks like it'll have to be AfD'd. Again. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't you mean speedy delete it not AFD it again? The story hasn't changed from the last AFD. He's added a few references....William 21:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd speedy it, but somebody removed the tag. Speedying is likely to ruffle feathers, unfortunatly. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
I put the speedy back up. The person who took it down wasn't an administrator. I'll let a non-involved administrator sort it out. I think you were involved with the AFD....William 21:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Anybody can remove a speedy tag except the article's creator. And yeah, I was WP:INVOLVED (unfortunatly). - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Even for a G4? I didn't know that, so oops then. The person who took down is involved but not the creator. I have the article on my watch list. If the tag is taken down, I'll AFD it again. Wouldn't the right thing been to do a deletion review?...William 22:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, WP:DRV with "hey, I've improved the article in userspace, is it ready?" would have been the way to go. Of course that would have given the option of the answer being "no"... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
The EL section are repetitive links to articles used as inline citations. According to the article history, there was no EL section before the AFD. Also only one article aka IC has been added(its from sept 2011) that didn't come from 2010. Notability hasn't changed the AFD, what we have is a padded recreated article. I made note of that on the article's talk page....William 22:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


So, indef or not? T. Canens (talk) 04:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd say to let it stay at the current block duration - it expires after the election, so hopefully (regardless of who wins) it'll be a nonissue by then and maybe, maybe he'll have read up on policy. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Considering that he's been blocked for the same thing back in 2009, I'm hardly optimistic. T. Canens (talk) 04:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, I won't argue if you think he should be indef'd. Maybe I'm just trying to balance the Karma Meter after throwing stuff at the TV over the ending of the Packers-Seahawks game! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, good thing that I don't have a TV then :) I restored the indef. T. Canens (talk) 04:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I want to troll and say 'good call', but there's just no possible way to justify that. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:08, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
That'd be a flag for trolling, half the distance, loss of down? - The Bushranger One ping only 06:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
You're going to throw a flag for that and not offensive pass interference? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
That too! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Quack quack

G'day, first time on WP for a week or so during a brief (a few minutes) break from work, and I have come across this fine specimen of a mallard. The quacking is so loud my ears are bleeding. I don't have the time to do any more now (2215 local time and I have to get a 'plane fixed for flight at 0-dark-30 tomorrow morning), can you do the honours please? YSSYguy (talk) 12:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Quackasaurus rex. Blocked, one of two deleted (the other tagged G5 although there has been work by others on it), sent to SPI for sleeper check. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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  • Well, the result is out and it has been said that a few farmhands has had their ass chewed out by them angry geeses but this duck has proven to be quite a different beast altogether with only one benefit for us, it helps to contribute to our edit count and we cannot thank it enough for making Wikipedia such a wonderful place for us all to enjoy. Wraps, anyone? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 20:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Could you please tell me what aviation accident or accidents our friend created this time? I sometimes create them myself....William 22:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

They were for a 1941 RAF Liberator crash in Scotland, and a 2008 Pacific Coastal Airlines Grumman Goose crash (already covered in the type article, I think). - The Bushranger One ping only 23:00, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


Is there any way I can see 2010 Israeli helicopter disaster in Romania and how it appeared before it was deleted on Feb 1 2012? I'd like to see its edit history before it was deleted too. This so I can aruge properly what has changed about the article since deletion. Or is this history[14] the same as that of the deleted page even though the name is different?

The page was moved; the history is at the current title, "2010 IAF Sikorsky CH-53 crash". - The Bushranger One ping only 21:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for Administrator help in "move"

I recently came across Fate Is the Hunter, derived from the novel of the same name, and both titles are spelled incorrectly as the spelling is Fate is the Hunter, but it can't be changed in either article. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC).

Done. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Bzuk (talk) 06:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC).

Another deleted crash article that's been brought back to life.

Pan Am Flight 125. It was deleted in 2005[15] and rose from the dead in 2007[16]! I wonder if some kind of record was set by this article. Can you deep six it again please under G4 speedy delete?...William 17:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

For info, I declined the speedy delete request. – Fayenatic London 17:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
This one looks like it should be merged and redircted to me. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Advice sought

Hi I've been trying to track down an article that I saw some time back, 'Old Friends: The Lost Tales of Fionn Mac Cumhaill'. I am the author of the book the same name, which was the locus of the article. I was quite amused by the article as it had quite a curious take on mythology including my approach to it. I thought of if when I discovered today that somebody is going to do a thesis on the book. I wanted to refer her to this page just as a tangential perspective. But I see that it's gone and I followed a link relating to its deletion which led to your talk page. I'm a bit of a novice on Wikipedia so hoping you might know whether deleted articles get archived somewhere that I might still be able to access it? Or even whether you have any details on the writer so I can perhaps track down whether he has posted it elsewhere. I'd meant to make a note of writer details at the time but... Any assistance would be much appreciated.

Best wishes,

Tom O'Neill — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, Tom! I've temporarily restored your article so you can copy it or edit it or whatever you wish :) You can find it at User:Alison/Old Friends: The Lost Tales of Fionn Mac Cumhaill - just let me know when you're done and I can re-delete it or move it to main space if it's fixed up enough. Best regards - Alison 18:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that! Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 21:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Advice sought reply

Hello again, Sorry, but I can't see how to reply to the above thread. Anyway many thanks for your quick responses. I don't think I know enough to go about making the article suitable - not least because I don't care for all of its propositions. A perspective nonetheless, I will copy it into an email for the lady of discernment! Best wishes to you both, Tom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (September 2012)

This newsletter was delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 23:56, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Question re Deletion of RARE, Association for Rare Earth

Full disclosure, I occassionally consult for RARE, but I did not write the original entry. I did make a few minor edits sometime in the Spring, and I readily acknowledge that I should have taken the time to fix the entire page instead of just making the minor edits. Unfortunately, in the process of working on other projects, I neglected to check my Wikipedia account or check my watchlist, and therefore neither participated in the discussion regarding the page nor went back to add necessary citations and otherwise ensure it conformed to Wikipedia standards. I would simply like the opportunity to make the original article conform to Wikipedia standards and address all of the issues raised by other editors and administrators on the discussion page.

If you will please give me access to what was pulled down, I will keep it in my Sandbox or Special:Mypage/Association for Rare Earth while I rewrite the entire article, fix the broken link, add appropriate citations, and otherwise make it conform to Wikipedia standards before republishing a cleaned up and better article on the organization. This revised entry will adequately addresses the final comments before deletion, including why why this topic/organization is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. I also will not publish it until you or another administrator review it to ensure all questions raised on the discussion page were addressed and the page is fit for Wikipedia. Ironically, some of what contradicts the final comments before deletion (about being unworthy for inclusion) actually happened after the article was deleted, and much of it happened while the administrators were asking for a debate or answers to questions, though some happened even earlier and were not included on the page. Again, I was distracted working at my real job and I dropped the ball on watching the page or making the entire article (originally written by others) conform to Wikipedia standards,when I made the minor edits in the Spring.

I would simply like the opportunity to rewrite the article correctly, and address all of the concerns previously raised.

Thank you for your consideration of my request. I truly appreciate it, and I hope to hear back when you have free minute.

Uneven Steven (talk) 00:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)UnevenSteven

I've userifed the page to User:Uneven Steven/Association for Rare Earth. Good luck, just be careful of the WP:COI guidelines! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The Bushranger (talk) 03:57 27 September 2012 (UTC)The Bushranger: Thank you very much! I really appreciate it. Uneven Steven (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)Uneven Steven


The top one is written at WP, the latter comes from a newspaper article.

The rescue operation was very complex, as it was impossible to land near the crash site, leaving as the only options a hike along a steep mountainous path or a rope descent from the air.

The rescue operation was complex, since it was impossible to land near the crash site, which meant that the only paths were a hike along a steep mountainous path or a rope descent from the air.

Is it a copyright violation? I know there is the copyright problems board[17] but I don't know how to submit it?...William 23:20, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

...that certainly looks like WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING to me. I'd just rewrite it though. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Up to crash site, the only difference is the inclusion of the word very and the change since to as. It is word for word verbatim from a hike to the end. Makes me suspicious if there isn't other work in the article....William 23:30, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Is the newspaper article online? If so a run through Duplication Detector might be worthwhile. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, here it is[18]....William 23:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, then, time to give DD a whirl. (I'm heading off now tho so I can't.) - The Bushranger One ping only 23:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I did. That's the only section lifted. Quotes and two or three word bits aren't copyright. I know you can't write an article without it sounding like a source in some way....William 23:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
True enough (although from some comments on DYKtalk in the past some people apparently think you can!) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Quack Quack

Syrian Air Flight 501 looks like the work of Ryan....William 23:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Another editor took down the CSD because he I misspelled Ryan as Ryan Kirkpatrick instead of Ryan kirkpatrick. There's a problem with the incident- Did it even happen[19]? Is there any recent information this actually happened? What advice do you have? An article about something that may or may not have happened seems unencyclopedic to me till its known one way or another....William 11:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Could you please explain to this[20] well intentioned editor how G5 works? I'm trying to explain it to him but you could probably do it better....William 12:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Quackaholix rex. Blocked and re-G5'd. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

puppet note at ANI

Hi, you directed me to use SPI to report what seemed like an obvious sock. I just wanted to ask if there was a better noticeboard as SPI seems like quite a process? It seems like more work than simply reverting them and letting someone else go through all the reporting. Insomesia (talk) 01:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

SPI is the Official Sock Reporting Spot. It is a little complicated at first but it makes sure all the Is are dotted and Ts are crossed - of course, if it's a really obvious sock, pinging an admin's talk page works too. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, thank you! Insomesia (talk) 23:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Serving of fish

Follow me to join the secret cabal!


for hatting a post [21] that was two hours and five minutes away from the 24 hr mark which would have made the bot archive it ... what was the point of that? Nobody Ent 02:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't keep track of archive-by dates. Just saw a discusson that merited hatting, and did so. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


Please see here I don't know how much you follow CfDs after you D. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedys Thanks for your help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cream cheese and lox for everyone

Let's get down to brass tacks: onions or no onions? Viriditas (talk) 22:03, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

No onions. Unless they're Vidalia onions. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Thinly sliced red onions add a nice zesty flavor. You can also get this zest by using a fresh "everything" bagel (toasted onion, sesame, poppy seed, garlic). Back when I used to eat lox I also experimented with adding slices of fresh tomato, which really adds to the flavor (it's the moisture of the tomato) and if I'm in a really good mood, slivers of fresh avocado. One thing I found is that it is best (you probably know this) if the cream cheese is fairly cold and firm, although imitation cream cheese like Tofutti is just as good. Viriditas (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
But what about the new white-chocolate-flavoured cream cheese? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I haven't tried it. I've always had an irrational dislike for white chocolate. I'm more of a dark chocolate, antioxidant flavonoids, type of guy. I'm always looking for the health benefit. Viriditas (talk) 07:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 September newsletter


We're over half way through the final, and so it is less than a month until we know for certain our 2012 WikiCup champion. Conradh na Gaeilge Grapple X (submissions) currently leads, followed by Canada Sasata (submissions), Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) and Scotland Casliber (submissions). However, we have no one resembling a breakaway leader, and so the competition is a long way from over. Next month's newsletter will feature a list of our winners (who are not necessarily only the finalists) and keep your eyes open for an article on the WikiCup in a future edition of The Signpost. The leaders are already on a par with last year's winners, but a long way from the huge scores seen in 2010. That said, a repeat of the competition from 2010 seems unlikely.

It is good to see that three-quarters of our finalists have already scored bonus points this round. This shows that, contrary to criticism that the WikiCup has received in the past, the competition does not merely incentivise the writing of trivial articles; instead, our top competitors are still spending their time contributing to high-importance articles, and bringing them to a high standard. This does a great service to the encyclopedia and its readers. Thank you, and good work!

The planning for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Some straw polls have been opened concerning the scoring, and you can now sign up for next year's competition. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) J Milburn (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Category:Films based on British novels

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Black Falcon's talk page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:07, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Old friend

Just by way of a heads up, our old IP friend is back on the Hawaii Five-0 articles, now registered as Cardinalsmyles and still trying to force the same few edits, notably the damned redundant cast table. Doesn't take a rocket scientists to know they're the same person; the IP resolves to St. Louis. I've left them a message reminding them of a few basic practices and suggesting they start using edit summaries and the talk page, so we'll see what happens. They've also been warned about edit warring on The Mentalist as well, and have only been registered since 9/25, so this isn't promising. --Drmargi (talk) 17:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully the registering shows some signs of clue, although I agree it doesn't look promising... - The Bushranger One ping only
Cluelessness reigns. She's adding and taking off and adding and taking off the same table/redirect over and over, ad nauseum. She's got an edit warring warning now. Do you have any trollbegone handy? --Drmargi (talk) 03:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Facepalm I've given a final warning, if they continue, it'll be stop: hammertime. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Bless you Bushranger. I'll be sure you have a lifetime supply of chocolate covered onions. Or not. As you desire. --Drmargi (talk) 03:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Got a wall I can beat my head against? What IS IT with some editors and their mania for decorative tables (and excessively detailed ratings?) Why do we need a table identifying the cast and their roles, and narrative as well? Cardinasmyles just doesn't quit! --Drmargi (talk) 03:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

On account of the truly epic WP:IDHT, they've been blocked for 31 hours. Perhaps this will get them to discussing. If not, the blocking will continue until clue improves. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the good laugh! Care to put a ten-spot on whether the block merits any response at all? --Drmargi (talk) 03:37, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't take sucker bets, alas! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your prompt AFD closure. Since a couple of editors have expressed interest in converting the content to policy compliance, could this page List of AT&T U-verse channels and its history be userfied either to User:Neutralhomer or to my current doppelganger User:IP Yes, I know my username is invalid and it is pending rename, and I have made other errors that I am working on preventing. If there is a valid reason for precluding this typical result of userfication, please advise here. Thank you for your help. (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I've userified the page at User:IP of AT&T U-verse channels. When your username is changed it will be moved to your new username. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, I was the one who requested it moved to my userspace, but it's cool, I did a copy/paste and moved it to my userspace. No worries. - NeutralhomerTalk • 02:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you again! Could you please also userfy the deleted Talk:List of AT&T U-verse channels to User talk:IP of AT&T U-verse channels? It is relevant to the content dispute. Thanks in advance. (talk) 14:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

The Grey Wolves!

This is my first message to an admin...I'm terribly new to the ins and outs of contributions and submissions and all that. I am only so far a viewer of Wiki.

I noticed when I went to, the page had been deleted by you.

This is a legitimate group whom I'm listening to right now. They have tons of releases and have been out for a long time. They are a death industrial/noise type of group and I remember their page being legitimate before when I had viewed it months and months ago. Do you need references? Is there any way to get the page back?

This is not my group and I don't know the guys whatsoever. Just a fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

The article was deleted following this discussion. Having "tons of releases" does not equal notability. If you believe there's sufficent references in reliable sources to establish notability, you want to open a file at deletion review. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Userfy Cisco ASA

Can you drop a copy in my userspace? I'm not sure if you realized it, but I think the original nominator probably voted again later at least once. Anyway I can probably make it into a better article that clearly meets notability. Gigs (talk) 20:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Heh I also just noted that User:SpudMcCoy, one of the other delete vote accounts, seems to be almost an SPA promoting Nortel and Avaya security appliances. Gigs (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
It seems that this rabbit hole goes deep. There's a concerted and ongoing effort to delete Avaya competitors and increase Avaya coverage. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/LES_953. Hundreds of Cisco and other articles have been deleted, as this group piles on Keep votes to Avaya AfDs. Gigs (talk) 21:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Here you go. Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 19:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Masanori Asami

Why can't we be rid of him yet?—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

He's revealed his agenda to change what the English and Chinese consider to be part of the "Ryukyu Islands".—Ryulong (琉竜) 13:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I sense a block coming in a hurry for him. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

CfD for Category:University of Great Falls

See my comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_3#Category:University_of_Great_Falls.

Does that change your mind on the proposed merger? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Ehhhh, I'm kinda 50-50 on it. Having the university category as the parent does sorta make sense, but at the same time it's still a one-article category aside from its subcats. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Darn that TCM!

I found another "lost"gem, The Man Who Found Himself on tv today. It turns out to be screen legend Joan Fontaine's first starring role, and she literally chews up the screen. FWiW, it's also an aviation flic. Bzuk (talk) 18:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC).

DYK for 2013 Mudsummer Classic

Gatoclass (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Unblock request of TJ Spyke

Hi Bushranger, could you check if you agree with the provisional unblock conditions I porposed on User_talk:TJ_Spyke#May_2013? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 07:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

They look alright to me, although I would make two modifications: one, adding a specific and explicit prohibition from making any alterations to redirects, not even piping; and two, making it explicitly clear that this is a last and final chance and the next block, if one occurs, will be subject to the Standard Offer and will result in a community ban discussion. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
The thing I'm worrying about most with this editor is that they seem to be looking wikilaywer ways around the rules, rather than abiding by the spirit. If there is a misspelling in a link, it's obviously counter productive to leave it there (i.e., if there is dislexia somewhere, the appearance needs to be fixed). To be ironclad, I decided for the instruction to fix it to [[dislexia|dyslexia]] rather than [[dyslexia]] to prevent interpetational fixes for redirects, the instruction is simply to never change the target of a link if that link is a redirect. I'll take both suggestions along if they agree and I bring this to AN for discussion. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Lucia Black

I saw your block here and Lucia Black talk page post related to the block.[22] Please consider replying at Lucia Black's AN request. Take care. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I saw that, but I'm honestly, given the continued brouhaha around all that, not sure there is a solution bar a draconian one which wouldn't help anybody in the end; I'd prefer to keep out as much as possible. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Just to clarify I am not the Editor Copperchloride.I am from Bangalore .I used edit only in Tamil Wikipedia and only read English Wikipedia. பெங்களூர் நாகேஷ். — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

It's overlink

or WP:See Also. All of those articles are linked via the navbox and in many cases, the articles. As a general rule, the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes. Thus, many high-quality and comprehensive articles do not have a 'See also' section, although some featured articles like 1740 Batavia massacre and Mary, Queen of Scots include this section." Is quite clear on the subject....William 23:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's quite clear that it's "as a general rule". It is not, however, required, and WP:CONSENSUS through general editing is that this is included in aircraft articles. If you believe it shouldn't be you need to get a new WP:CONSENSUS through discussion at WT:AIR... - The Bushranger One ping only 23:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
The consensus is at the WP:See Also section. Point to me where it is otherwise....William 23:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll point to all the aircraft articles per WP:EDITCONSENSUS, and to the part of WP:SEEALSO that says "as a general rule" - "general rules", by nature, are general, not strict. If you believe these should be removed they need to be removed from all aircraft articles, not cherry-picked by manufacturer, and that requires a full discussion. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:29, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
You're the one who should be putting up not reverting GF edits. Manual of Style is very clear. You want that changed, then you try to form the new consensus. Administrators ignoring consensus, just more of the typical bs around here....William 23:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Please assume good faith and refrain from personal attacks. I am following the clear WP:EDITCONSENSUS per WP:BRD. The WP:MOS is very clear that this is a general rule, not a Thou Shalt. Consensus through editing is that these are included, the change would be from that and, therefore, requires discussion. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Still can't come up with anything. Edit consensus doesn't say anything about why something can't be fixed even if its been wrong for years. See Also is quite clear and you can't come up with anything better than Editconsensus because you know what you're doing is total bs. Wrong formatting can be fixed anytime. It don't matter if its been there for 5 months or 5 years. You get the new consensus. I'm reverting tomorrow. Now I'm going to watch a hockey game....William 23:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
This is not wrong formatting: this is the standard format used by all aircraft articles that has gone unchallenged - thus being accepted by consensus. Your lack of good faith and refusal to listen are dissapointing; I hope that you will reconsider your declared intention to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point and instead follow WP:BRD by discussing your desired new consensus at WT:AIR. WP:EDITCONSENSUS is Wikipedia policy. WP:SEEALSO is not. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

María de Villota, thank you for locking the article down

One of my edits trying to curb the vandalism looks like vandalism itself, wasn't able to catch one in time, oops. :)--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

That happens sometimes when they sneak in two bits of vandalism! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Unsecure account block

Given this and this, should Nasnema be blocked until it can be determined that his account is secure? If his account wasn't hacked, and I presume that it wasn't, the ploy is probably worth a disruption block anyways. Ryan Vesey 20:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

If it looks like they're playing the It Wasn't Me card, then it's likely disruption to the level of needing blocking. If not though and they have changed their password, it's just something to keep an eye on. Not sure which though... - The Bushranger posting as Aerobird from a public computer Talk 21:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

User talk:TJ Spyke

Just FYI in case you aren't watching, this user has appealed their block. I have declined the current appeal. However, there is a proposed set of unblock conditions on the page. If they indicate they would be willing to abide by those conditions it might be helpful if you commented as to whether you feel that is sufficient cause to consider an unblock. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

This was discussed above actually - I proposed some additions that I believe the chap currently discussing with him accepted. - The Bushranger posting as Aerobird from a public computer Talk 21:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

The Incredible Hulk (TV series)

Would you mind explaining why you changed the category from "The Incredible Hulk (1978 TV series)" (correct) to "The Incredible Hulk (1977 TV series)" (incorrect)? --Musdan77 (talk) 19:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Because the CfD for the rename needs to process so that the bot can move the latter category to the former, so that the contribution history of the category can be preserved. Manually creating the new category and moving to it is an out-of-process move that breaks the attribution chain. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I don't quite understand the whole procedure. Maybe I will someday. Thanks for the reply. --Musdan77 (talk) 22:45, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
It's a little complicated at times, but well worth learning. Keep up the good work! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

usually one sneeze like word

No, no - according to a cop I briefly knew the expression is "commiefaggotfascistnazipinkoBASTARD"...... NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Gesundheit! - The Bushranger One ping only 11:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC)