User talk:The Rambling Man/Archive 25

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FL Main page proposal

You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the review. It all looks valid, so I'll get on and address them later. One question - any ideas on sorting the personal life/early career problem? I agree its a bit odd, but I didn't fancy short sections. Could they be merged/reorganised?

Cheers, –MDCollins (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear The Rambling Man, i'm trying to start an article about Palex but it says i can't b/c it's protected from creation and that you dealted previous articles about Palex. I was wondering if I could start a new article about them. It wouldn't be just a stub but an actually article about this couple. Please,I need your help.

Momo91 21:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Momo The Great

Ron liebman long-term abuse

The Ron liebman (talk · contribs) sock abuse has been going on for a while now. (Lately it's become more childish). He's been community-banned so his socks can be indefblocked on sight. Thanks! —Wknight94 (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for letting me know. The Rambling Man 20:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my page. --Nlu (talk) 20:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course, you're welcome! The Rambling Man 20:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with Lxndrlancaster (talk · contribs), glad to see, by the looks of things, you are keeping an eye on what I am doing. Camaron1 | Chris 18:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


Did you get a chance to look at it? Nag, nag, moan, moan. --Dweller 09:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, been working on my own list, but I'll get over and have a look as soon as I can... The Rambling Man 09:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

My my, you do have a big awards shelf, and I absolutely love your late night ramblings on two, when I am in my car, as i can never remember to listen at home, but maybe someone will remind me now, maybe we will bump into each other at the city ground at some point, take care --DitsyDaisy 09:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, ta. Btw, have you seen this? --Dweller 09:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I have (I think - my work servers seem to have a problem with that site)... was there anything specific? The Rambling Man 10:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Reference to Wikipedia. --Dweller 10:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's my fault! So you now have my alter ego? The Rambling Man 10:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Had it already from an email you sent once upon a time, lol. --Dweller 12:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. Will finish wikilinking years, close PR and FLC it. --Dweller 12:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Well there goes my secret identity....! Clearly you'll let me know when you're at FLC... I'll pop over... The Rambling Man 12:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It's open! --Dweller 20:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


Cheers mate. I really appreciate your support (and your question!). Well, since you congratulated me first, you should get the first thank you. Tell me what you think! Cheers, Dfrg.msc 10:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha! Hell yeah! But, I'm not in a rush. I'll check it out in the morning, by then I'll have a lot of spamming to do. Cheers! Dfrg.msc 10:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

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For your contribution to My RfA, which passed with 8000 Supports, 2 Neutrals and no opposes.    

The standards and dedication of the English Wikipeidan Administrators is excellent and I am privileged to stand among them. Thankyou for putting you trust in me, I'll not see it abused. And now, I will dance naked around a fire. Party at my place! Cheers! Dfrg.msc 09:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

James Milner

Ok I've made a lot of changes over the last few hours, how is it now? Buc 10:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi, got most of the info so far from the Flown from the Nest summary. Have more I can add from my own files on ex-Torquay players (that's how I spotted the stub, I track them all on a userpage), but that will have to wait. No idea re bar, maybe it should be either deleted or the tense changed till we're more certain? WikiGull 09:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


Got your message. Well ... I hope you like it :) A ton of work went into that, like you wouldn't believe. I've been using the thing for the last 6 months & yeah, it's pretty awesome. Don't like the new matte desktop icon set, though. Spaces is a godsend if you're a programmer - Alison 16:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching progress

Hey, TRM; I have updated our admin coaching page with another topic. Please feel free to comment. Camaron1 | Chris 19:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


The wikicup has began. The sunder king 20:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Tanker 910

Hi, awhile ago, you reviewed Tanker 910 for GA per my request, and left a nice long to-do list. It's all been addressed now (comments left on the talk page), and I was wondering if you wanted to revisit it, or if you would prefer that I repost on the GA review page. Thanks! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 23:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


You've got mail. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahah, thanks. I'll take a peek. The Rambling Man 06:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
It's ready now I think. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


What are you offering to help with? (Thanks, btw!) Any idea why the flags don't / won't sort? --(oh and btw, "Dong".) Dweller 10:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There's a template for sorting names, to whit {{sortname}}. Makes the name column work by surname (which is better) instead of first name. I'm not sure how the flags would sort. I'd just put the country name next door if I were you.... The Rambling Man 11:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. I'll do that. Wish I'd known about sortname - have you seen my gymnastics at the Hall of Fame article? --Dweller 11:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar *woot*

Editors Barnstar.png The Editor's Barnstar
For having created 3 articles in 20 mins and for the tons of others I've seen during WP:NPP, The Ramblin’ Man deserves this barnstar and more! Phgao 13:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Back scratching

Could you take a look at History of Aston Villa F.C. (1874-1961) when you have got the time? I gave it a clearup a couple of weeks ago. I would like to see if there are any major problems with it, any glaring omissions? Thanks. Woodym555 17:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course. My pleasure to do so. The Rambling Man 17:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit woes

I'm having trouble saving my edit to Personal Computer. Is it because the article is 37 kb long? Is it locked (I do't see a lock on it) and obviously I can edit other pages... Alatari 18:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Can't see a problem with it at all I'm afraid. Try saving your edit somewhere and logging out and back in again? The Rambling Man 18:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Logged out then back in. Having trouble removing the {{BIAS}} mispelled tag in the Self-injury article. I can edit sections but not the whole article. It's as if they are protected articles but I see no protection tags. Should I head to the help desk? Alatari 21:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Yep, that page is not protected at all and I can edit all of it or sections. Something weird's going on! Head to the Help Desk I'm afraid! The Rambling Man 09:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Rebooting my PC fixed the problem. Not sure if it was Java engine related or what. Will do the SPyware and Virus scans again to be safe. Alatari 12:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, the perils of PC/Windows combo... The Rambling Man 13:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Please look these over

The Transhumanist    18:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

List of York City F.C. players

Hey. I was wondering if you could take a look at the FLC for List of York City F.C. players if you could. Thought I'd do a tiny bit of canvassing.. Thanks, Mattythewhite 14:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi, i now spent the hole morning to edit the page PokerTH, (which is not a website) and you deleted it. So I do not agree that it is not significant, so why is for example Chess (application) signigicant? Momet 10:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The article made no assertion of notability whatsoever. As for other similarly poor articles, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The Rambling Man 10:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
It has been downloaded 136,313 (Overal ranking 143) from sourcefoge... (compare EiffelStudio with 2,067 downloads) Momet 10:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
For the article to remain it must use reliable sources to verify web notability. If you do this then the article won't be deleted. The Rambling Man 10:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
So where should I do this? the overal sourceforge downloadranking is here, and on alexa it is ranked 664,500, which is not little... Momet 10:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

For example, you could look at a good article to understand how to correctly cite relevant and reliable information. The Rambling Man 12:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I know them, thanks. As I showed in the last comment, pokerth is not unsignificant (+ 229% of global Internet users who visit this site (3 ms change)), and there was a link to Sourceforge (-> reliable source). I'm not involed in the development of it, nor I gain money from it, I created the page, because I thought it is relevant to do it. Not because I make profit from it (nobody would in a direct way earn money from it, it's a game without money excange, maybe there is some that loose money ?). Anyway now It's deleted and I'll probably not do it again. Momet 12:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for placing it in my sandbox. I'll do my best to improve it and find reliable sources, as soon I have time. Have a nice day Momet —Preceding comment was added at 14:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Ipswich Town F.C. players

Sorry wasn't able to contribute to peer review but did make a couple of edits/suggestions. I've been away for most of the weekend. Well done on FLC. Quick peer review question - I noticed West Bromwich Albion F.C. already has a peer review from a while back. Will this cause a problem when I request a new peer review? Does it overwrite the peer review page, append to it or create a brand new page? --Jameboy 17:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What you'll need to do is move the old peer review to something like "Wikipedia:Peer review/West Bromwich Albion F.C/archive 1" and then remove the automatically created redirect where the old peer review used to be. Then start the next peer review off. Let me know if I can help more. The Rambling Man 17:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and commiserations for yesterday. Sounded like an interesting game. Besides being 100% Tractor, I'm about 25% Col U, so no sympathy!! The Rambling Man 17:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Cheers, I'll sort this out and submit for peer review soon. --Jameboy 23:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

YCFC seasons

Hi. I've finally found a source for top scorers for those six seasons for York City F.C. seasons, but they are for league only. Do you think it would get in the way of a FLC nomination for top scorers to only include league goals? Cheers, Mattythewhite 12:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't. Add them with a footnote that says league only scores and it'll be better than it is now! The Rambling Man 12:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

York list

Thanks for your input, I'll be getting cracking on that soon. And on another note, I think I've pretty much dealt with your comments at the List of York players FLC. Thanks, Mattythewhite 14:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Done, and done. And done. And done. Mattythewhite 17:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for piping for me. How bout you offer to userfy that poker article, with a prod so it gets deleted if not improved? --Dweller 15:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, pipes are always welcome. Yes, I could do that. But an Alexa rating of 660,000 doesn't look that notable to me. However, since I'm such a nice bloke, and since your suggestions usually make sense, I'll give it a look... The Rambling Man 15:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I accept your terms! NB I'm not sure about the change you did to the refs at the list article... doesn't seem to be in line with the template instructions. --Dweller 11:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I think that's what he's after. The other YYYY-MM-DD format is fine for a computer but unpleasant for humans. By all means revert. The Rambling Man 12:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Gawd you must be joking. lol. My club is a sad mess. --Dweller 12:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, unhappy times... The Rambling Man 12:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

ITFC players FLC

Hi, when I click on 'show' on the Resolved stuff bar, all it shows is the first comment, down to the 'Fine by me' line. Not that I want to read it all again particularly, but if it's not going to display properly praps it should go back to all being visible? cheers, Struway2 | Talk 18:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

ooopps. I must have blown it. Standby... The Rambling Man 18:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Fixed it, the loose "|" in Struway's sig was breaking the template. Woodym555 18:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, bad pipe. Thanks Woody. Oh, and what do you (Woody) think of the list? The Rambling Man 18:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Ha. They were both in my watchlist and i was under the impression that i had already supported it!! Oh well. Back to Villa articles. Well done as always although you did have a good framework! ;) Woodym555 18:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but with those pastel pink highlights, I think you'll agree the student has now become the master....! The Rambling Man 19:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Beta bot

Yes I just saw it thanks. I don't have a problem with the bot taggin images with no rationale whatsoever but it is kind of frustrating when I upload many images which seemingly have the correct rationale to help wikipedia and I get drilled 50 kb messages!! Perhaps the slight correction to (1976 film) was all that was needed? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 20:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I know, it can be very frustrating, especially when being berated by a bot. I think that's the problem though, you have to be very precise. The Rambling Man 20:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi, if I remember correctly you were the GA reviewer for Powderfinger a while back... I'm attempting to bring the article up near featured status soon, and any comments from you about the article would be very much appreciated, either at the talk page or on its peer review subpage. Don't worry too much if you can't. Regards, ~ Sebi 09:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

York City F.C. seasons

Hi. Following the peer review of this list, I thought I'd let you know it's up fpr FLC now. Thanks, Mattythewhite 11:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

hello... I'm the editor of a site called, we've met before, link removal etc. Anyway, seeing as we've met before I wonder if I could ask for some advice. Our network is expanding (you might persoanlly like town) and I think we need a wikipedia page of our own. There seems to be some odd ideas about who we are and what we're doing. For example, we're not a fan site, but professional journalists. It would clearly be a conflict of interest if I set it up... wouldn't it? (Nsm100 18:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC))


I found this image of John Wark in action that you might like to use in your POTY article.

John Wark and some lookalikes

--Dweller 20:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

How rude. After all I've done for you... The Rambling Man 12:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
lol. Gaaaaad, it depressing being a Canary these days. Ian Crook, Mark Bowen and Mr Blobby are in the running for the Carrow Rd job. Except I don't think we could afford Mr Blobby's wage demands. --Dweller 12:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Ian Crook, that's a laugh. Remember when he "signed" for ITFC? Pah. The Rambling Man 12:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
<Sigh>. Yup. At the time, I thought it was funny. Now, nothing about NCFC seems very funny. With our finances, if we get relegated, it could be totally and irrevocably disastrous for the club. --Dweller 12:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I heard some rumours about Delia cutting and running, for real? The Rambling Man 13:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, there's rumours for real. Not sure it's a real story. Though she and Michael have always said they'd sell if they got an offer that was good for the club. --Dweller 23:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

History of Aston Villa F.C. (1874-1961)

Just put it up for GAC wondered if you would review it for me and woodym555 :) Everlast1910 14:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Think we have made all your fixes now can you have another look when your free :) Everlast1910 16:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll get back to it as soon as I can. All the best. The Rambling Man 19:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you :) Everlast1910 00:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey mate! I guess your a happy bunny with your debts being written off at Ipswich! I was just wondering how far are we off getting this to GA? Everlast1910 22:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you :)! Must say the amount of work you have done on them, but were you gonna stop :P Everlast1910 22:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Was just wondering how far do you think this and Villa Park are off FA as that is the next step! Thank you for all the reviewing time you do for the Villa articles if I can be any help for anything just give me a bell! Everlast1910 00:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

User talk:PWeeHerMan

Hi, you were vandlaized by this user noted above. I reported it to WP:AIV. (I am at a non-secure site.) Bearian'sBooties 20:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a persistent sock puppeteer obsessed with genitalia. Strange. But cheers for reporting it! The Rambling Man 20:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi. Whilst look at your latest list, I noticed there's something wrong with Image:John Wark.jpg. Is missing permission it says. Also, do you think this is ready for FLC? Mattythewhite 21:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. That looks likely to cause a problem. I'll remove it from the articles until the situation is resolved. Thanks for letting me know. And as for the list, yes, if I'm prepared to put mine out there, yours is easily ready. One thing, I'd left align the nationality column, but that may be something others don't object to. Cheers. The Rambling Man 21:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers mate

Fakebarnstar3.GIF The Asparagus Barnstar
I present to you the Asparagus Barnstar for cleaning up that massive image dispute mess, for no other reason but to help out. Wear it with pride, cheers! Dfrg.msc 00:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


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For creating 197 articles, and still having time to fight vandalism. Congratulations!--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 00:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


I did not upload that file. I merely added the rationale.-Xterra1 22:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ipswich Town F.C. managers

I've created and rolled out Template:Ipswich Town F.C. managers. I've lifted the info from your list article (minus the caretakers) so there shouldn't be anything controversial, but feel free to point out or correct any errors. I've also started removing some of the corresponding succession boxes (which are effectively duplicating info), so let me know if you disagree with this approach. Cheers. --Jameboy 23:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me! The Rambling Man 10:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


and any more abbreviations one cares to add... Though my one actual objection still stands, which is the Voting mechanism section. However you word it, <2 lines is much too short to be a separate section, and should go into the lead.

On another tack, I'd be grateful if you could spare a moment to have a look at Birmingham City F.C., and tell me what other sections etc need adding for it to be worth putting up for good and hopefully (eventually) featured article. At some point I'll put it up for peer review anyway, but would much appreciate some advice first from someone who's been through the procedure with their club article. cheers, Struway2 10:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the helpful advice and suggestions, and for taking the time to make them. Re the stadium(s) section, the intention was to do it and the main St Andrews (stadium) article - which needs a complete rewrite - and Muntz Street all together, when and if my local library comes up with Simon Inglis's Football Grounds book which I've reserved but am still awaiting. Praps I should make a start on the stadium section anyway, can't make it worse... Thanks again for taking the trouble. cheers, Struway2 20:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in, I have the Inglis book and have added it to the WPFOOTY Project Booklist. Just thought I'd mention it in case your library lets you down and you need some specific info. Cheers. --Jameboy 23:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


Someone vandalized my Userspace! Face-crying.svg But a little angel came along and fixed it! Face-angel.svg Thank you! You can thank others by using {{subst:Vangel}}! Gscshoyru 11:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks !

Thanks for your effort and kind information. But the user and his bot disputed on image issues quite sometimes, which caught the attention to other editors and admins. Thank you--NAHID 18:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

SR Merchant Navy Class

Good evening, Rambling Man.

I don't know whether you are interested, but as you gave a fairly objective peer review on the SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes article, (which incidentally has recently achieved FA status), I am wondering if you would like to have first refusal on undertaking one on the above article. If not, then no worries. Cheers, --Bulleid Pacific 20:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ipswich Town are Potty

I've left my last few comments before supporting the FLC, at the list talk page. Ignore as you see fit. Btw, I'm starting to feel like the WP:MOBY debate is edging toward keep... am I overly optimistic? --Dweller 20:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Little help?

Hey TRM, I have applied for Adminship and was hoping for a bit of your coaching (please don't take this as me canvassing, that's the furthest from my attempt here). I seem to be facing a lot of opposition and don't really know how to respond to it. I'm wondering if I should withdraw and try again another time or stay in and hope for the best with eyes tightly shut. I've mentioned this over at the talk page for my request. If you could guide or coach me as to what I should do about this? Thanks mate. --lincalinca 05:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi again! Thanks for your advice on the matter. I suppose I should have perhaps followed a few other people's RfAs before submitting my own in order to guage how to respond, but I didn't and have to wait and see hwo this pans out. Hopefully it's favourably, but really, there's nothing rock solid at this point: people could (though unlikely) withdraw opposition. You're exactly right about the gnomish work. I have been getting a little bit more familiar with the deletion pages (particularly the template and category ones, since I've only dealt in articles and images before, so I thought I'd spread my wings). One common thread is my lack of contributions to the project and policy space. My defence is one I believe in, but what's your position on this? Should a person dedicate some editing time towards these articles? I do have a considerable amount of contributions to the tempaltes and template talk spaces, in many cases outweighing the caveats for many administrators in that area. Going into this, i knew my count was somewhat low, but we're told we shouldn't be tracking the number of edits we make, as it's not a true representation necessarily as to the volume of our workload and contributions. Anyway, bow I'm being a rambling man. Thanks for your swift response (sorry I've not been so swift, I've just played a very short gig). --lincalinca 14:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. But I am quite surprised that it's been promoted before Ipswich! Mattythewhite 17:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh I think they apply different rules. FLC gets promoted after 14 days of listing and four supports. Not as complex as FAC! The Rambling Man 17:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
It is ten days actually! :) Woodym555 17:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahah. Ok, ten days. My life revolves around "working" weeks so that makes 14=10 for me! The Rambling Man 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ten days are up and congratulations on another piece of featured content Mr Rambling Man. (Almost upto Villa's total! ;) Woodym555 01:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks... and thanks also for the upgrade to my user page that I only just noticed. By the way, I'm ripping off your /pages userpage. Hope you don't mind. Re the question - erm, hard to know what you had in mind. Should "Roeder" have read "Jewell" (making a disambig problem)? How long till Roeder has a close date? Should caretakers be included? Gawd knows. Nice gag headline in tonight's Metro... It's Carrow Roeder. --Dweller 00:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah. I think that the way you've designed the template makes a succession box entirely redundant. --Dweller 10:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
OMG! --Dweller 10:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Powderfinger, again

I've made some replies to the peer review of Powderfinger you gave. I'd really appreciate it if you would be able to have another quick look over the article again, see if you can pick up any other errors. If you can't, it's okay. Thanks, ~ Sebi 09:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Rampant Rambling Man, and favour

Hi Rambling Man, my you have been on a template binge haven't you!!! Thanks for doing that! I am trying to create an optional override for the managers link so that you can link it.

Now for the favour. Could you take a look at the Victoria Cross for Australia article and give it a copyedit. As part of the FAC Tony has requested an extra eye look over it to see if there are any little redindancies in the prose. If you can't, don't worry and i'll pop over to the LOCE. Thanks. Woodym555 17:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh the template now takes a new parameter. You can add the "manager" parameter. Used to put "list of XXX F.C. managers etc" as a wikilink for the Managers in the title bar. Woodym555 01:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


I'll get to promoting it in a few hours. As there is no opposition, you could promote it yourself if you don't want to wait. -- Scorpion0422 19:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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You've put Swindon managers on the Tranmere template! Mattythewhite 08:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed! Thanks for the pointer. The Rambling Man 08:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


Blueprint Barnstar 2.PNG The Template Barnstar
For producing so many football manager templates, particularly the Wimbledon F.C. one, which was done virtually on demand! Jameboy 12:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Ha, beaten to it. Thankyou very much for helping to create all these templates! Woodym555 12:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
That's quite alright. I hope people don't mind doing a bit of groundwork on making the links point properly! The Rambling Man 12:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


For the MCFC template, it had two caretakers but did not include several others. Thanks to my books, Manchester City: The Complete Record in particular, I can say with certainty who was and was not a caretaker at Manchester City. In the case of Phil Neal, he was (thankfully) never appointed manager, and the club refer to him only as a caretaker, even though he picked the team more times than Coppell. In general I do not think caretakers should be on templates. Lists yes, but not templates - if that Coventry example is anything to go by, it can get pretty bloated. To have someone who may have been in temporary charge for only one or two games and was never actually appointed manager doesn't seem right, like claiming I have my boss's position if I cover for him when he's away. I think cases where someone was a caretaker for months on end can be taken on their own merits. Oldelpaso 13:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of managers, I gone for a slightly different approach to the usual with List of Manchester City F.C. managers, but having got most of the way I've hit something of a writers block. Aside from filling out the one redlink, what do you think needs doing before an FLC? Oldelpaso 15:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Football manager templates

Thanks for the message. I'll gradually work through the templates, rolling them out into the managers' articles and fixing links as I go. It's difficult to stay focused as I tend to get distracted into improving/expanding the articles!

Are you intending to create templates for the Scottish clubs? Then there's the international managers; not to mention the rest of the world! That's the problem with WP - where do you stop. It becomes an addiction if you're not careful. Keep up the good work. --Daemonic Kangaroo 07:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

My primary source is Soccerbase which is good for English and higher level Scottish clubs, I'd like to do international managers as well while I'm at it, at least for the home nations. If you can point me to other reliable online sources so I could tailor my semi-automated app accordingly. Cheers for the encouragement. The Rambling Man 08:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Now here's a rarity

([2]) --Dweller 11:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, impressive. You going/watching this weekend? The Rambling Man 11:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hiding. With a pillow over my head. Anything less than a 4 goal margin is a bonus. --Dweller 11:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Now you're just saying that. I'll be happy (and I mean it) with not losing. Our away form - P6 W0 D3 L3. Home form P6 W6. Say no more.. The Rambling Man 11:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Think it's time for that anomaly to start evening up. --Dweller 13:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm breathless. Best we've played probably all season. Sharper strikers and we'd have had 4 or 5. Bit better defensively too, but still not good enough. Grounds for optimism though. --Dweller 17:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
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Cheers, no problem mate. SteveO 15:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Jack Cox

I'm intrigued as to whether Cox actually was manager of Blackpool. What is the source you used? - Dudesleeper · Talk 21:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I've found my own source. - Dudesleeper · Talk 21:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks pal - I get some strange bot message for images that already have a rationale. Mostly it always just a title needed. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 10:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well its a joke isn't it. What "human" is going to start messaging people over Image:Como Era Gostoso o Meu Francês.jpg? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 10:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Channel (football)

Please take a look at this crummy stub I just started. I'm not happy with its clarity or accuracy. Also, notability isn't asserted. And it needs a RS and probably a diagram, but initially accuracy and notability are the keys. Can you help? --Dweller 15:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Am I wrong?

User_talk:UsaSatsui#Your_edit --Dweller 08:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No I don't think so. But perhaps it would have been a modicum less officious to leave him a note on his page rather than prod the sandbox. I'm guessing the end result will be the same but at least no-one could accuse you of not behaving "in the spirit of the encyclopaedia"...! Either way, that edit summary was definitely snipey, don't rise to it. The Rambling Man 08:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought about it, but thought that as I'd already forgotten to do anything about it once, not prodding would leave the chance of forgetting again, lol. --Dweller 10:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Water under the bridge I should think... I'd leave the sandbox where it is, it's not in mainspace so in theory it ought to remain I guess. If there's any movement to restore it to mainspace then we kill it. The Rambling Man 10:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Real Madrid C.F. managers

Arghh, just spent 30 minutes creating that template only to discover you just created it... JACOPLANE • 2007-11-6 08:40


Hi TRM, I tried another version scaling from zero at Image:Cricket batting averages above 50.png as yours was a bit misleading: a reader might think Bradman was 3 or 4 times better than his nearest rival - that may or may not be true, but the chart data doesn't say that. What do you think? —Moondyne 10:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Interfering furiously, there's good arguments either way, but I do believe you should stick to completed careers only. Two reasons; it retards obsolescence and because most performances drop off toward the end of their careers, so including whipper-snappers is as misleading as including statistical freaks caused by exceedingly short careers (such as currently-playing debutant centurions, or, specifically, Andy Ganteaume). --Dweller 10:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The series does have a minimum 20 innings criterion, but here's a version with completed careers only. My main issue was fixing the x-axis. One problem with using completed careers only is that every time a Hussey/Yousuf/Tendulkar/Pieterson retires he has to be added back in. —Moondyne 13:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your message, I love wikipedia, and use it as my main source of knowledge. Currently, I don't have the energy to contribute, but everytime i see an error in an article (especially gramamar, or redundance) i fix it, just because i feel obligated to spare others. Anyway, I'll remember your suggestion for help and perhaps I'll cash it in, in the future. Oh, just wanted to say that it's a great job you're doing. Falcor84 11:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Norwich City F.C. Hall of Fame members

Any suggestions now, before I do much more on this? --Dweller 14:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I need to wait for RS (or even non RS) on category C. In the meantime, fancy a new FA project collaboration? --Dweller 10:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
You choose the topic. Football? Cricket? History? Cute girls? Something else? (Or we could fulfil my long-overdue birthday pledge to Clio and work on the Stay Puft marshmallow man) --Dweller 11:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
If it's a NCFC "legend" it must be someone recent (for ease of finding material) and in the HoF. We have a "nice" photo of the toothless wonder --Dweller 11:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't mind either of those. Justin Fashanu makes for a story with some interest, and quite a lot of RS. Photo might be tricky though. --Dweller 11:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, if you think a photo can be rustled up, let's go for Sutton. At least balancing POV should be easy, as there's a nice juicy controversy in his background. His career straddles internet life, which might make it tricky to find online stuff about the early days. --Dweller 11:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Backtrack on my talk page message? --Dweller 12:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Chello. Vot ve gonna do? --Dweller 15:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. Criteria. Must be a Cat A Hall of Famer and a recent or very notable player. Or one I like for some reason or other. And we must have access to a photo. Here's the choice: Barry Butler, Bryan Gunn, Kevin Keelan, Martin Peters, Dave Stringer. Can we get a photo of any of them? I'll see if any of my sources have a pic of Gunny or Peters - optimistic. --Dweller 16:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmm. Lol. It's not even a very good photo! I won't get a fast reply from my sources. Any joy on Flickr etc for Gunn/Peters? --Dweller 17:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all those edits. Much appreciated. I was doing the flags as and when I checked the nationality of each, but I suppose I still check it as and when I do the stats for them!

Let me know of a choice of FAC. I'm off to break the bad news to Chris Sutton. I'll tell him it's because he wouldn't play in an "A" international match; that'll make him feel better. --Dweller 10:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

And, by the way, I've had an email from NCFC confirming the Cat C HoF members. I've posted at Wikipedia:Reliable Sources/Noticeboard but I'm not convinced anyone'll buy it. Might just have to sit and wait till they get round to updating the website. --Dweller 10:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Homecoming King

Thanks for helping with the image. Have a great day! нмŵוτнτ 11:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OMG, yes, I am dying. Luckily, I have a boyfriend whose computer I can use somewhat regularly. нмŵוτнτ 03:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


I almost promoted it yesterday, but I say that Circeus left some recent comments, so I decided to give him a couple days to reply to your response. I'll promote it tonight if he doesn't respond. -- Scorpion0422 16:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal

You have nominated a recent successful WP:FL. There have been two recent proposals to begin a List of the Day feature on the main page, which have both received majorities but have not been approved as overwhelming support sufficient for the main page. WP:LOTDP is a new proposal to try to get the ball rolling based on the original proposal. Voice your thoughts on its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)