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Bug 5645[edit]

Saw this bug report over the signature button appearing in namespaces that editor's would rather it didn't and figured I should mention the "obvious"

Just add

		'filters': [ 'body.ns-talk, body.ns-4' ],

to the signature button's entry in jquery.wikiEditor.toolbar.config.js and your done. The same approach is used for the references button (see that same .js file if you don't believe me)

If you want to allow the signature button's generation in more namespaces, just add their numeric designation(s) to the filter using body.ns-4 in the above as your example (no comma after the last entry btw).

You can also exclude button generation for certain namespaces this way....

		'filters': [ 'body:not(.ns-2, .ns-8, .ns-828)' ],

Hope that helps -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

That implementation method was not something I was aware of, so thanks for enlightening me :) However I don't think it is necessarily appropriate for this situation. It wouldn't be right to hard-code the list of namespaces in this JavaScript code, and it also seems a bit wasteful to be stringing together a 'body.ns-' + namespaceId type thing when we can just delete the entry from the JavaScript object.
The main issue surrounding this bug is that no-one can agree on how we should decide which namespaces get the sig button. I would appreciate it if you could contribute, based on the three options I outlined in comment 19 of the bug. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Same old, same old. No-one agrees because each has their own embedded bias/perspective by now if they've been a regualar for any noteworthy amount of time by now. I dare say even your poo-poo'ing of the existing filter settings has some trace degree of that too.

Look, it seems like all the wiki-projects at least share the same ~17(I forget what the right # is) core namespaces - that's all you folks should be discussing a default setting for. Period.

Half of those are talk-pages so body.ns-talk or some similar solution should allow the button for those talk namespaces. That leaves "you" with what? ~8 core namespaces shared acrosss all the wiki-projects to bicker over? Out of those remaining namespaces, only the Project: ns (ns-4) would have any legit reason to host talk-page like discussions (a la Village Pump for example) where the button is useful.

Get into the namespaces numbered ~100 or higher from one Wiki-domain to the next, and you'll find using content namespaces to include/exclude button generation will not be as neatly uniform as the core namespaces are. This area is where 'ickypedia blinders' cause developers to make changes that typically don't go over well @ any project BUT Wikipedia or Commons (I can almost bet next week's pay-check that whatever solution is applied at the end of the day, it will conflict with the existing ability to use the filter).

My vote is to set a default using whatever manner or method makes the most sense for the core namespaces that all wikis share and leave the far lower trafficked assignable namespaces out of it - let folks deal with it or solve it on their own locally if the presence of the button so annoying to them. Prost. :) -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

We want to be able to configure this behind the scenes on a per-wiki basis. For example, Meta uses signatures in the main namespace, while this wiki does not. It's more about how to determine exactly how this configuration interacts with other wiki elements. For instance, does the presence of __NEWSECTIONLINK__ indicate we should allow the signature button on that page? I don't know the answer to that.
I should also stress that this relates to the MediaWiki software in general, which is used by many others besides the WMF (for example, a lot of companies use MediaWiki internally for planning and collaboration between staff). We need a solution that will work out-of-the-box for all wikis, as well as to be configurable by the server administrator as required. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I think you answered your own question - especially if your rationale goes beyond the Wiki foundation projects and into the "commercial" aspects of the software. Again the core namespaces are not likely not be re-tasked into blogs or newsfeeds but additional namespaces might be. If that rationale is true, the logical approach would be set only the .ns-talk namespaces as the extension's default for sig. button generation while leaving deviation or modification of said default a matter left to local administration to wrangle with post-deployment. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, I don't think I'm "poo-poo'ing" the existing settings, insofar as there are none. The status quo is to show the signature button in all namespaces, which seems rather inadequate. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Well that point on 'showing in all namespaces' goes back to the rather bloated default package of defaults loaded with WikiEditor and the hoops one has to jump through just to customize the basics that are sold as "tools" in a tool-bar. For example, I can appreciate the need to cover Asian character sets along with the others but there should be a way for at least the local administration if not User:s themselves to pick and choose individual sets. Sure, one can add characters to existing sets and add entirely new sets but there is no way to prevent sets in the existing defaults from loading every time the tab is selected - well at least I can't find a way other than removing the entire booklet and rebuilding it without the unwanted sets (I think this is due to the setting 'deferLoad': true, in that same .js mentioned above usurping anything I might have set to removeFromToolbar in my local .js file(s)). If you know better, please, I'm I dying to find out how its done.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that its great to incorporate defaults that allow for a positive "out-of-box experience" but they should not be so embedded in the module that customizing/deviating from those defaults necessitates the negation then duplication of the original coding involved. As the move to more mobile platforms plays out and/or the need for screen-space management increases, it seems things like which default loaded buttons (or tabs) you want loaded by default in which namespace scenario(s) is something that should be standardized in one's User: preferences rather than locked into additional scripting and/or patching as those options currently seem to be. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


I loveFtCG, but it would be nice if it could delete templates like {{Category ordered by date|Files licensed by third parties|2013|08|13}}. Thanks! (tJosve05a (c) 00:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Josve05a, I'm really sorry it's taken me this long to answer! Do you think FtCG should remove all invocations of the template "Category ordered by date", or only those with "Files licensed by third parties" as the first parameter? — This, that and the other (talk) 02:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
All instances, since Commons don't have (didn't the last time I checked) that template. (tJosve05a (c) 07:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

One more thing[edit]

Is it possible to make FtCG to add:
[[Category:Files uploaded by Josve05a (cleanup)]] [[Category:Files transferred from en.wikipedia by Josve05a]] ‎ to all files I tranfer? (tJosve05a (c) 00:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ping. (tJosve05a (c) 15:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

For the Common Good : run reversely[edit]

Hi, my home-wiki is Russian.

It is rather often it is needed to move files from Commons to ru-wiki: because a set of files is found not corresponding to the free content criteria yet is useful for many articles under fair use restrictions.

Before writing some bot from a scratch I am wondering if For the Common Good can be a little bit changed (or some settings applied to it as it is) so it could transfer sets of files from Commons to File: namespace?

The relevant discussion about a bot (in Russian) is currently here.

Best regards, Seva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neolexx (talkcontribs) 16:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

+1. Please help. Details here: Википедия:Запросы к ботоводам#Выгрузка файлов из Викисклада в Рувики (via google translate) --Fastboy (talk) 17:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Fastboy Neolexx: My apologies for not replying any sooner. Such a tool would certainly be possible to create. Indeed, in the past, I used a "lightly hacked" version of For the Common Good to transfer files from Wikitravel Shared (a site similar in nature to Wikimedia Commons) to local Wikivoyage editions after the establishment Wikivoyage in late 2012. So it is certainly possible. I will be happy to look at this in the coming week. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
That would be terrific! By all other means the app seems fit perfectly to our needs uncluding the ability of an editable "template dictionary". I have translated your answer at our forum - as there is no rush then to do and to debug something from a scratch, it is better to wait then. --NeoLexx (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Fastboy and Neolexx, I have uploaded version of For the Common Good to In conjunction with the instructions at User:This, that and the other/For the Common Good/Reverse transfers, it should now be possible to run FtCG in reverse! If you find any problems or would like additional features to be added, please let me know. Thanks for your interest in FtCG. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you! I will start learning and testing immediately. --NeoLexx (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry for silly question, but where does the installation go by default? I installed it on Windows 8, closed and now no signs at Program files. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, OK, sorry. It is not installed, it is a single exe. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • To be clear, what is the license you want to be mentioned for this program? I didn't find it at the download page. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
    • The current version is released into the public domain. Even so, I appreciate it if you provide attribution if you choose to make copies of the program. I will probably release the next version under a license such as MIT, but for the moment, it is in the public domain. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hello. I tried reverse and it worked. I spent decent time to make a config but then I transferred twenty images very quickly. But I found some obstacles that slowed me down:
  1. FtCG doesn't memorize chexbox settings (I had to ckeck "ignore warnings" every other image)
  2. FtCG doesn't have automating to bypass a ban to create image with a name that already exists in commons. Of cauze admins doesn't have this problem. But I had to rename each image manually. It would be nice if you could set some prefix/postfix to new file name once and FtCG would apply it for each next image.
  3. One more feature I'd like to see: mandatory replacements or replacement groups (one of). If such "mandatory" replacement pattern not found, FtCG must make a very nicely visible error warning.

Could you make some of such features? Or, could I contribute to code? ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

And, by the way, in reverse order you can configure only "source" wiki which is commons and which is English, and you can't configure "destination" wiki, which is not English, so I had to use very coplicated replacement pattarn to change image description template by Russian version of these template, and to move all variables correctly. It would be nice if reverse wiki could be supported in more natural way. ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Btw thanks for that previous support! It really helped! ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

512 character limit for special page titles[edit]

Assuming you are the "tto" on Freenode who asked "just wondering if you could clarify for me why you added the 512-character limit on special page titles in r18220?" I didn't add a 512-character limit, I raised the limit from 255 to 512 bytes on the basis that 255 bytes was not sufficient. 512 bytes was sufficient for use cases then in existence. -- Tim Starling (talk) 09:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That was me :) Thanks for the clarification. So it was mostly an arbitrary choice, then. That was what I was interested in knowing. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk:This, that and the other/For the Common Good/Reverse transfers[edit]

Did you notice that this redirect format doesn't work? I'm not sure if it is the page or Mediawiki which should be fixed. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

It's the long standing bug 6151. I've been poking around at the MediaWiki title code recently, so I might try to fix it... although the fact that it hasn't been fixed in 8 years isn't promising... — This, that and the other (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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A3 template changes[edit]

Hello TTATO,
I don't mean to be pushy, but you said on Wikipedia talk:Twinkle that you would do preliminary work on Twinkle tomorrow (which is probably yesterday now), however Twinkle is still tagging pages with {{db-nocontent}}. Please tell me why this is the case as my new templates are now finished and are ready to be moved. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Passengerpigeon, this is a bit of a "chicken or egg" problem. But so long as the new A3 templates are set up as redirects to db-nocontent for the time being, there shouldn't be an issue. I can't promise when the change to Twinkle will be deployed, but hopefully it will be available on-wiki not long after I finish writing the code tonight. — This, that and the other (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
{{db-a3}} will not change in the move, and {{db-a3-notice}} currently redirects to {{db-nocontent-notice}} but will be overwritten by {{db-nocontent-notice}} once the move takes place, thus everything should work the same way it does currently. Passengerpigeon (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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For the Common Good[edit]

Good day.

My name is Sergey Semenov, I'm the administrator Russian Wikipedia. I am writing to you about the reverse transfer images from the Commons in the Russian Wikipedia using a program For the Common Good. Unfortunately, this program is quite difficult to master, and will move quite a lot.

I have uploaded to Commons several thousand images of tombstones set in the cemeteries of Russia. Unfortunately, in our country there is complete freedom of panorama, so these files can at any time be removed. I decided to move them to the Russian Wikipedia template FoP-Russia. In connection with this appeal to you to write the configuration files for the particular transport mechanism to simplify the programming work far from the participants. In today's conditions, the use of mass transfer of files can lead to disastrous results.

P. S. I'm sorry for the mistakes I badly speak English and translate through Google translator. --SerSem (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sergey, thanks for your message, and don't worry about your English, I understand it well! I understand that reverse transfers with FtCG aren't as easy as they perhaps should be. I'll have a moment later today to see if I can prepare you a configuration file that will do what you ask. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 03:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I'll wait. --SerSem (talk) 12:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I made this configuration file for For the Common Good: You should download it, rename it to ForTheCommonGood.cfg, and move it to the same location as ForTheCommonGood.exe.
Be aware of a couple of things:
  1. You must turn off the "Tag file with {{now commons}}" check box above the "Transfer" button.
  2. If you want to go through each of your uploads, you can download this text file: and click the "Other source" option to load this text file into FtCG.
  3. There is no template on ruwiki for CC-BY-SA version 4.0 (see c:template:cc-by-sa-4.0). You will need to create this template on ruwiki before transferring.
I would say that, since you have such a huge number of files, it might be better to ask for a bot to perform the transfers. I think you will find FtCG too slow for this work. But if you wish to give it a go, I hope it helps you. — This, that and the other (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help, I was able to master the program and begin to transfer files with its help. All I do not need to unload, I have old photos uploaded to Commons. With the help of your program I have unloaded in Russian Wikipedia about 700 photos. This is a very important and necessary option in the program. --SerSem (talk) 18:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Good day. I tried to upload a list of files at once from the category "Literatorskie mostki", but I did not succeed. If I use the text in this form, as provided by you in the file, the program writes the message: "An API error occured. Bad title" File: "". If I add the "File:" at the beginning of each line, the program writes the message: "An API error occured. Bad title:" File: <>. JPG ". What could be wrong? --SerSem (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
    • I would suggest that you check the encoding of the text file. For the Common Good expects the file to be stored in the UTF-8 encoding. Alternatively, you could upload the file to the Internet so I could look at it and check it for any problems. — This, that and the other (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi Purodha, I was triaging some old Toolserver migration bugs, and noticed that there is a task phab:T63028 relating to one of your tools. Do you intend to migrate this tool to Tool Labs? — This, that and the other (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Although I do not unterstand the phab:T63028 web page, I understand that someone ist asking whether or not I plan to migrate former toolserver tools to tools labs. I do. I only do not have plans as to when I have time to do it. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Bugzilla seems not wo work any more. It redirects to something else. My account to bugzilla was lost in the process. So, for the time being, I am out of this business. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 09:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Purodha: Bugzilla was migrated to the new Phabricator issue tracking system a few weeks ago. You can create a Phabricator account that is attached to your Wikimedia SUL account, if you want to comment on bugs. See mw:Phabricator/Help#Creating_your_account for some info.
In any case I'll update the Phabricator task to say that you haven't forgotten about it. Thanks for the reply! — This, that and the other (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I knew about the migration, and I was on the Phabricator page that should allow me to connect to my old bugzilla account a few day ago. That is why I wrote that my access was lost. Maybe, I just have to wait for it to be migrated, I did not really dive into the details. -- Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Twinkle for TRwiki[edit]

I am a technician from TRwiki. I wanna activate Twinkle. I created following pages(from ENwiki) but "TW tab" didnot appeared.

And I made necessary changes in Gadgets tab. Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation pages is outdated. Is there a new instruction page? What I am missing? --Mavrikant (talk) 01:27, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

@Mavrikant: Try altering the Gadgets-definition line to the following:
This, that and the other (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Nope :( I even tryed before enwiki's Gadgets-definition: Twinkle[ResourceLoader|dependencies=mediawiki.user,mediawiki.util,jquery.ui.dialog,jquery.tipsy,moment|rights=autoconfirmed]|morebits.js|morebits.css|Twinkle.js|twinkleprod.js|twinkleimage.js|twinklebatchundelete.js|twinklewarn.js|twinklespeedy.js|friendlyshared.js|twinklediff.js|twinkleunlink.js|twinkledelimages.js|friendlytag.js|twinkledeprod.js|friendlywelcome.js|twinklexfd.js|twinklebatchdelete.js|twinklebatchprotect.js|twinkleconfig.js|twinklefluff.js|twinkleprotect.js|twinklearv.js|friendlytalkback.js I also tried MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js of Simplewiki. I haven't seen TW tab near search bar yet. There was old version (2009) of Twinkle stored subpages of User:Vito Genovese/Twinkle, I suspicious that old files sabotages new Twinkle but I cleaned main pages of old Twinkle. Do you need technician rights to look what is wrong? --Mavrikant (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

It is working. I followed new version of Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation page. Thank you Siddhartha Ghai and User:This, that and the other --Mavrikant (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Yeah, I often have trouble getting Twinkle to show up in the UI on testwiki. Normally I will just open my browser's F12 tools and directly call the callback, e.g. Twinkle.protect.callback(). — This, that and the other (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Beautiful :) Not sure why I didn't think of that! Many thanks MusikAnimal talk 02:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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I thought I'd post this here as well since i assume you were asking about this in order to find Twinkle defects. Steel1943 (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

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very belated reply re Wikiquote 'This Sporting Life' deletion[edit]

Hi there TTO (I hope that abbreviation is ok, I'm very lazy),

I'm just writing to say I've been meaning to reply to your April 2014 heads-up on my talk page regarding the above. Unfortunately I was probably either taking a break from the insanity that is Wikipedia or else just busy with other things when you posted. What a shame that was removed (was it because TSL doesn't meet USA-dominated notability standards or something like that?). Very annoying.

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--TyrS 07:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi TyrS! Wow, that was a long time ago. I had forgotten about it. If you head over to the Wikiquote link, you will see the page was deleted because it had "no sourced quotes", so I suspect it was not a matter of notability - rather, one of sourcing. If you want to further work on the page, I imagine Wikiquote has a process for requesting undeletion or deletion review, in the same way as we have our processes here. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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May I ask what purpose this page serves? —Skyllfully (talk | contribs) 02:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

@Skyllfully: I was probably trying to debug some problem with the MediaWiki software or something like that. Is the page showing up in some database report or backlog? — This, that and the other (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Nope, I found it in Main Page's WhatLinksHere maintenance report. —Skyllfully (talk | contribs) 02:35, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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TTOBot request re minor league affiliates navboxes[edit]

Hey, after a (brief) discussion at WT:BASEBALL, I'd like to nominate all the templates at Category:Minor league baseball affiliates navigational boxes for deletion, as they are redundant to the main Major League Baseball teams' navboxes (which already include links to all of an MLB team's MiLB affiliates, with a more correct breakdown of classifications). As I've never done a mass XFD nomination before, and I really don't relish dong it all manually, I'd appreciate a pass through with the bot for tagging and some advice on the setting up of the appropriate discussion. If you can, ping me to let me know. Thanks. oknazevad (talk) 03:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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:{{Tfd links|MLB Blue Jays franchise}}
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:{{Tfd links|MLB Cardinals franchise}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Chicago Cubs franchise}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Indians franchise}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Nationals franchise}}
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:{{Tfd links|MLB Royals franchise}}
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:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Boston Red Sox}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Colorado Rockies}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Houston Astros}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Los Angeles Angels}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Los Angeles Dodgers}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Miami Marlins}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Minnesota Twins}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team New York Mets}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team New York Yankees}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Oakland Athletics}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team San Diego Padres}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team San Francisco Giants}}
:{{Tfd links|MLB Team Seattle Mariners}}
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:{{Tfd links|MLB White Sox franchise}}
Let me know once the TFD nomination has been started. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I made the nominations. It's at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 December 3#Minor league affiliates navboxes. oknazevad (talk) 20:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. You may like to notify the following users, who created the templates:
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  • SportsMaster
  • Dale Arnett
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Editors cannot break the site, only (sys)admins can do that[edit]

In regards to this edit, I feel that the intended word was sysadmins, not admins. It seems like the gist of that section is that there is nothing that an editor can do (admin or otherwise, with the occasional but negligible odd occurrence where an admin really screws up) that can break Wikipedia. In order to truly cause permanent damage, you'd need to be a sysadmin — ie. with access to the actual backend/databases/servers/whathaveyou.  DiscantX 13:42, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The reason I removed "sys" is because the text of the section seemed to be talking about admins (as in local users with sysop rights). The first sentence is "In a few cases, there are things sysops can do that will slow down or crash the site". It's clearly talking about sysops on the wiki, not system administrators in the back rooms; it even links to WP:Administrators. Then: "If you get chastised for trying to delete Wikipedia:Sandbox and crashing the site, don't try to delete the same page again". Again talking about sysops. I don't think I agree with the message of the section, but that is beside the point; I think my edit was correct. — This, that and the other (talk) 13:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't particularly agree with the tone of the message but the two lines "although there are a few things admins can do maliciously which are very difficult to clean up, it shouldn't ever be possible to do something which will result in permanent data loss or unfixable breakage" and "If you're unsure about something, you can ask a sysadmin on IRC if it makes you feel better, but generally it's not necessary," plus that the preceding sections reference sysadmins rather than admins seems to suggest that the message of the article in whole is not to worry about edits, because non-employees can't break the site in an irreversible fashion — having the section title say admins can break the site and then go on to say that they can't do any serious damage so "don't be afraid to do similar things... This damages Wikipedia far more than a minor temporary slowdown" seems contradictory.
The whole section is a bit vague, but regardless of what the original author intended to say, I think it is true that only a sysadmin could truly break the site, not an admin (you may be a bit more familiar with the backend, but I imagine that even if every admin were to start acting maliciously it could be reversed by a sysadmin by a manual change outside of the normal tools).  DiscantX 14:13, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Tennis name templates[edit]

Hi. After discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis#Tn template and a "successful" TfD for Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 February 22#Template:Tn Yuki Bhambri, where decision was taken that these articles are not needed, I want to nominate all templates in Category:Tennis name templates for deletion. Is this something you and your bot, User:TTObot, can help with? The templates where only used on a handful articles and I removed them so they are not currently used anywhere and I follow all related pages at my sandbox and watchlist. I would not ask if I would not think a nomination would be successful. Qed237 (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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@This, that and the other: Discussion opened at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 March 4#Tn templates. Thank you. Qed237 (talk) 00:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@Qed237: Done (I had to do it in 2 passes because some of the accents in the names of the players played havoc with my script). — This, that and the other (talk) 08:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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There is an (apparent) problem with the addition of the "help=off" parameter that you added to Template:Db-meta in this edit. The problem is that sometimes editors use the "help=off" parameter even without notifying the article author of the speedy delete nomination. Thus, as an administrator, when I am reviewing articles up for speedy deletion, and I find that the author has not been notified, I don't get the help section to provide notice to the author automatically. As I commented at [1], using the "help=off" parameter is like saying, "I didn't notify the article creator that I nominated this page for speedy deletion, and I want to make it more difficult than normal for anyone else to do so, too." If it was your intention that the help=off parameter should only be used or activated once the author has been given notice, it doesn't seem to be working that way. I don't know enough about template parameters to fix the template myself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, I will follow up when I have diffs to provide. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hello. I would like to nominate a number of templates for discussion, and I noticed that your bot TTObot may help with it. The problematic templates are:

All those navboxes are linking articles by a trivial theme (the first character of their names). There are several templates already that group Marvel characters by more reasonable criteria, such as those that appear in a same publication (like {{Fantastic Four}}), so those ones are not really needed. Cambalachero (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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