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Wikipeda favicon for desktop[edit]

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My involvements[edit]

MEMOS TO SELF[edit]

  1. Yes check.svg Done Learn about AWB.
  2. Broad Universe Wikipedia Project
  3. Articles with the {{copy edit}} tag on are different from requests. You did the right thing by removing the tag, and nothing else needs doing. By the way, requests are sections within Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, not subpages of it, so a search like that would never work. You can see all requests (as opposed to tagged articles) by going to Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and doing a text search. Hope this helps. --Stfg (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC) (source)
  4. Wikipedia:Tools#Finding the responsible user
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    • Soxred93's Article Blamer – similar to WikiBlame, identifies revisions that added given text
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Archive[edit]

I've moved most old sections of my Talk page to User talk:Thnidu/Archive. 130424. 140202. 141128. 150222.

GOCE July 2013 barnstar[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded for participation in the WP:GOCE July 2013 copy edit drive. Thank you for taking part! Diannaa (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
@Diannaa: Oo! Oo! My first! I'm so excited! :-D No irony, no sarcasm here: I really am pleased. Thank you. --Thnidu (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Cognitive Sociolinguistics[edit]

Please help us out with Cognitive Sociolinguistics, which needs links from other articles, improvements on the references, and a general checkup by an expert. (Good to see you at the CHF!)

@Dthomsen8: Sure. Good to hear from you! But you left the above note unsigned, and I had to go to the History page to see who it was from. --Thnidu (talk) 01:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Join the team?[edit]

Just saw one of your edits and was reminded to peek in and check how you're doing ... very well, it seems. I'm putting together a team to help with copyediting questions at WP:TFA. Interested in theory? If so, I'll talk specifics. - Dank (push to talk) 15:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC) P.S. Saw that you just created User:Thnidu/Template:AHDEL ... although I check a lot of references when I need to dig, I'd have to say AHD is my go-to word reference ... thoughts on AHD? - Dank (push to talk) 15:20, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's a for-instance: Pinker mentions on p. 6 of The Sense of Style that linguists have come up with some copyediting recommendations based on their study of what happens in short-term memory as a person reads. The requirements of "memory load" drive a lot of my copyediting decisions, but I'm not a linguist and I'm not sure where to look for readable accounts of these studies. Do you know what he's talking about, and do any citations or books come to mind? - Dank (push to talk) 19:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Dank:
team to help with copyediting questions at WP:TFA: Yes, I am.
Great, the discussion page is WT:TFAC. At the moment, I'm working on a short questionnaire. Soon, I'll post questions I have when copyediting, and I hope others will too. - Dank (push to talk) 18:30, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
AHD: Mine too, esp. since I no longer have from-home online access (through my now-former workplace) to OED Online.
Pinker: No, I don't. Does he provide any references, maybe in the back of the book?
--Thnidu (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
That's the problem ... I've read the first half of the references, but I'm not familiar with the lingo so I don't know which ones are likely to help. None of the titles say "memory load" or "short-term memory"; only one says "memory". I think I remember that he talks about memory load somewhere else in the book; I'll try to find that, and see if it has an endnote. - Dank (push to talk) 18:30, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Dank: AHDEL: Would you take a look at it now? I think it's ready to use, after taking out the comments. I'm a bit concerned about the name, though, which keeps suggesting "delete" to me. What do you think about changing it to AHDict or AHDictE? --Thnidu (talk) 18:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not a template guy, but it looks good. I'd go with AHDict. - Dank (push to talk) 18:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Dank: While scanning down my Talk page, I realized that I'd mentally closed this topic when we wrapped up Template:AHDict, forgetting all about WT:TFAC. So I went there for a look. I'm still willing to join the team, but not to get snarled up in the italicization brawl with Schrodinger's Cat and his(?) venomous fangs and claws. Other than that sh!+storm, where does "the team" stand now? --Thnidu (talk) 15:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Great timing ... I was about to get back with you. I think I know where I want to go with this now, but I want to ponder for just a few more days. Bottom line: there are a lot of Wikipedia pages that work well from a variety of perspectives, even linguistic perspectives, and I'd like to invite guest columnists to write whatever strikes their fancy with a generally positive slant. Such columns might or might not be appropriate on Wikipedia itself, but they'd be appropriate somewhere. If this strikes a chord and there's something you already want to write about, great. If not, I should be able to show some examples soon-ish of what I'm talking about. - Dank (push to talk) 15:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, it's always something ... in this case, this. I may be advertising soon for a new team member, of sorts; if so, I'll mention it on that page among others, and if you want to apply, that would be great. I'll have to wait till this mess is sorted out before I get back to the stuff I was thinking about earlier. - Dank (push to talk) 13:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Update: as you might have seen at that link, Chris would rather help me himself when he gets free in August, so we're not looking for a new team member, but there are two other things starting up soon. If you've been active at WT:GAN, you might be interested in the thread at the bottom of that page. Also, I'm becoming concerned about Wikidata's automatic translation ... Wikidata fields are showing up automatically in many Wikipedia infoboxes, and the walkthrough over at Wikidata touts the "feature" that some of these are the result of machine translation from a variety of languages. This strikes me as a problem, but also an opportunity for linguists (and for me) to do something that we know how to do and that would be widely appreciated. I just started thinking about this yesterday, I should have something to show you soon. Thoughts? - Dank (push to talk) 12:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
@Dank: Machine translation is certainly pretty wonky. Yes, when you've got something ready please ping me. --Thnidu (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Neat page bookmarks[edit]

Your thoughts?[edit]

Timeline of Philadelphia has a discussion about selection and inclusion criteria. Two editors are discussing it, but we have divergent views. More opinions would be helpful. - SummerPhDv2.0 13:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Earthsea[edit]

Thanks for recent work at Earthsea and Ursula K. Le Guin.

FYI, my today revision --as of 22:00 UTC-- of the fantasy series article Earthsea is scrutable if you break the history in two after my first two edits [1] [2]. In particular, section 4 history is inscrutable as a whole, because of spacing changes. While I skimmed some of the sources in refs 7-18, I didn't do much for the article but expand them. More attention to content is needed, perhaps best after improvement of the two film adaptation articles. --P64 (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@P64: My word! Thank you! — Thoughts, some less useful than others.
  • Hmm... We don't have a template for "creative franchise", and in any case the multiple switches for sections that do or don't apply in different cases would be mind-boggling.
  • (Definitely less useful) You changed "catalogued" to the American spelling "cataloged", but Earthsea § Radio has the British spelling "dramatisation". I'm not saying to change it back, but how far is local-variety-of-English consistency supposed to go?
Consistency in variety of English should be imposed at the article level. The same goes for the format of dates and the possibly distinct format of retrieved/archived dates. So a section on British adaptation(s) of a work, within an article where American English and date format are generally used, should use American dramatization and, say, premiered May 29. --P64 (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • .... No more for now. I probably won't be able to do more on this till late next week. --Thnidu (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

October 2015 GOCE newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors October 2015 Newsletter
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@Sfan00 IMG: When I posted this image, I put hours of research into trying to track down the sources, including trying to read the information on the de File page and follow the links there. This was the best I could do, and it was thought adequate at the time. See Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_336#Image_copyright_puzzle. (I have changed the Teahouse link on the File page to this Teahouse Archive link.) If you have any further specific suggestions, I would be glad to hear them. --Thnidu (talk) 02:24, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Philadelphia Phillies[edit]

Please pay attention to your edits. Your contributions to the Phillies' page were very careless. Also, there was no need to bring other people into our most recent disagreement. Also, I undid your other edits because, they did, indeed, have many grammar mistakes. Jordandlee (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jordandlee: I've taken this discussion to the Phillies talk page, in accordance with WP:Dispute resolution and specifically this section, especially the last paragraph there:
Talk page discussion is a prerequisite to almost all of Wikipedia's venues of higher dispute resolution. If you wish at any time to request a Third Opinion (3O), use the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard (DRN), or open a request for mediation (RFM), you will be expected to show there has been talk page discussion of the dispute. Actual discussion is needed; discussion conducted entirely through edit summaries is inadequate. Requests for Comment generally require that at least an effort be made to discuss the matter in question before making the request.
--Thnidu (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit of Ingress[edit]

OT: Sorry, new to Wikipedia edits and kinda discovering the syntax.

To answer your question; Yes. Both anniversary medals that was given by Niantic counts on badges. I learned this when I'm pushing through levels to acquire my Vanguard badge. Niantic actually nerf down up the level requirements for Vanguard badge since previously in Innovator badge, you can acquire the Onyx badge level on level 15 which in turn, will make you eligible for level 16 with only 1 Onyx badge through the status achievements. Previously, multiple agents "graduated" to level 16 instantly after the release of Innovator badge (wherein they have sufficient AP for level 16 but don't have the required badges: 2 Onyx badge)

Now, you can only acquire Onyx badge for Vanguard if you are already level 16 and only Platinum for 15. Maybe Niantic did this so that agents will need to pursue more of the status badges rather than waiting for this anniversary badges.


P. S. I really wanna try to improve this article based on my experience playing it (additional info about the Business side of this game; only mentioned about softbank and mufg but missing out the axa shields (from the axa insurance company) , so thank you for taking the time to edit my grammatical mistakes out there. Hoping for more collaboration with you with this article.

I deleted the space at the beginning of the first line of your P.S., since it threw the whole paragraph into monospace font with no line wrapping. --Thnidu (talk) 04:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Just taking too long to answer back since I do also have a 9 hour job to attend to. Mr.RcD10 (talk) 01:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mr.RcD10: Happy to meet you, and I look forward to working with you. But you really need to learn how to edit Wikipedia before you do more. First thing is, whenever you write anything except on an article page, sign it with four tildes: ~~~~; that's what I did at the end of this comment, and Wikipedia turns it into your linked username signature and a timestamp.
Some other things you need to know, and they're not complex or hard, include how to make footnotes (it's not just a number in square brackets) and the basic elements of formatting (look at how your P.S., above, came out). WP:Your first article is a good place to start. I've also requested more guidance for you in the Teahouse.
Oh, and again: I'm a linguist -- a language researcher -- and I'm curious: Is English is your native language? Nothing wrong at all if it isn't, but you have to pay more attention to grammar. --Thnidu (talk) 02:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Could you add to my page?[edit]

I created a page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_or_fantastic_beings_in_contemporary_fiction , but it needs more contributions. If you'd wander by and add any series you can remember enough of, I'd appreciate it. Tamtrible (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Tamtrible: I may have a go at it, but not tonight. But this may be too big. Do you have any idea of how many of these there would be??! --Thnidu (talk) 04:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
@Tamtrible: Just added Tolkien's works. --Thnidu (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I figure it's never likely to become an *exhaustive* list, but it can grow over time. Thanks for adding to it, it was looking lonely and sad with just what I could pull off the top of my head. Tamtrible (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2015 End of Year Report[edit]

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discussion at WikiProject Philadelphia[edit]

You've worked on articles about Philadelphia, so I'd like you to see a discussion at WikiProject Philadelphia: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Philadelphia#IP_editors_are_erasing_neighborhoods.

It's about a spate of recent changes, largely by anonymous users, to articles about Center City Philadelphia. The changes seem misguided to me, and I'd like to hear what other people think. TypoBoy (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of notable anglophones known by their middle names[edit]

Hello, Thnidu. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, List of notable anglophones known by their middle names, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

  1. edit the page
  2. remove the text that looks like this: {{proposed deletion/dated...}}
  3. save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. —swpbT 21:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Cornnich, 96.249.6.241, and 96.249.10.110: Please see Talk:Middle name#Moving list to separate page and User talk:Swpb#List of notable anglophones known by their middle names. --Thnidu (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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April 2016 GOCE blitz award[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Thnidu for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE April 2016 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:06, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

June 2016 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter[edit]

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Hello everyone, welcome to the June 2016 GOCE newsletter. It's been a few months since we sent one out; we hope y'all haven't forgotten about the Guild! Your coordinators have been busy behind the scenes as usual, though real life has a habit of reducing our personal wiki-time. The May backlog reduction drive, the usual coordinating tasks and preparations for the June election are keeping us on our toes!

May drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in last month's record-setting backlog reduction drive. Of the 29 people who signed up, 16 copyedited at least one article, 197 copyedits were recorded on the drive page, and the copyedit backlog fell below 1,500 for the first time! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

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An apology for my former disruptive behavior at the Teahouse[edit]

Hello. I have come here to apologize for my disruptive and uncivil behavior on the Wikipedia Teahouse a year ago. I am sorry for the rude things that I said to the Wikipedia community and aboutt falsely accusing them of having an adgenda against hate groups, pseudoscience promoters, and pedophiles. To be clear, I do not support or advocate these group's ideologies, "especially those of pedophiles who view adult-child sexual relationships as healthy and harmless", on or off Wikipedia. Please forgive me. Frogger48 (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

@Frogger48: Apology accepted. --Thnidu (talk) 21:46, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I hope that the others on Wikipedia who have seen my past behavior in the Teahouse know this as well. Frogger48 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Ingress (video game)[edit]

When you readded the link to sponsor, which I unlinked, you changed nothing and it still links to the dab page. Please fix that. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:12, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: I'm very sorry about that. It was supposed to be a link to an anchor on another section of the same page. I've fixed it (and tested it) now. --Thnidu (talk) 06:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
All good, thanks for fixing it. :) Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Zillion and friends[edit]

Responding to you: Yes, you're right about trimming the URL to remove the "whence came thou?" information - I should have done it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Patidar reservation agitation[edit]

The Patidar reservation agitation is an ongoing protest in India. I am updating the article since its beginning. The article is good in shape but requires copyediting for grammar and language as I am not native speaker of English. The article is already nominated for GA review. Can you copyedit it? This will be really helpful. Regards,--Nizil (talk) 06:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: I'll get to it tomorrow... That is, after a night's sleep (02:29 here!) --Thnidu (talk) 06:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, for your prompt reply. Do it tomorrow. Good Night.. :)--Nizil (talk) 06:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: I've started on it, but it'll take me more than tonight to get through it, and probably more than tonight and tomorrow. I'm having some problems understanding what is meant in some places where the Indian English diverges from American and British use. Here's one such place:

Patidar youth, who are also identified with their surname Patel,

Does that mean that young Patidar all have the surname Patel? Does it mean that Patel is distinctive and only Patidar are called Patel? Are older Patidar not surnamed Patel?

That also sent me to the Patel page, where the problems are even worse. I've already edited some of the lead paragraph, but this sentence completely defeats me:

Patels are one of the forward cast in India, and most of Patels deploys in agricultural work or doing their on businesses in different faculties.
  • "Forward cast" can hardly be correct; it could only refer to throwing something, or sending a fishing line forward from a fishing rod, so I assume that it should be "caste" and that the sentence should read "Patels are members of a forward caste" or "Patidar are one of the forward castes". But what the heck does "forward" mean here? Does it have something to do with the "Other Backward Castes" status that the agitators are seeking? I get the impression that the Patidar are considered a fairly low-level caste.
  • What is being said about the jobs(?) held by most Patels (not "most of Patels"), and "doing their own(?) businesses in different faculties"? I can make a guess, but I really don't understand "deploy" and "faculties" used in this way. Would it be accurate to say, instead, "Most Patels work in agriculture or have their own businesses in various sections of commerce"?

--Thnidu (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you again for your work. Patidar is a caste and the people belonged to this caste have several surnames (last name) but Patel is most common and widely used. The Forward "Caste" is used in Indian politics as the word opposite of "Backward Caste". Your assessment is right and the "Most Patels work in agriculture or have their own businesses in various sections of commerce" should be used. Patidars are comparatively wealthy community and have large diaspora community outside India too. Because they are politically influential (almost 18% of population in state), they are demanding the tag of "Other Backward Classes" by this agitation. OBC tag make them eligible for 27% reserved seats in all government jobs and all educational institutes+ scholarships. Hope this clarifies. Anything else? Regards,--Nizil (talk) 04:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Ah, thank you! Nothing more for now, as I am about ready for bed, but I'll pick it up tomorrow. --Thnidu (talk) 04:58, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Oh well. As usual, I kept on working. See diff on Patel. Would you please check my edits there? --Thnidu (talk) 05:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Your edits are OK. The article as a whole looks incomplete and need lot of expansion. Your recent edits improved it. well done.--Nizil (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks. I mean to continue work on Patidar reservation agitation tomorrow. --Thnidu (talk) 06:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Nizil Shah: I'm still working on the article. I've gotten up to § [[ Political and am going to stop for the night. It needed (and still needs) a lot of work, but that has involved checking many, many references (though far from all of them!), and often editing the linked wiki pages as well. I've linked a great many terms that must be everyday to Indians but are unfamiliar to non-Indians, such as names of places, castes, government organizations like the RAF— to Americans as well as Britons that's the British Royal Air Force!— and so on. In general I've moved dates from the end of the sentence to the beginning; that way it's clear that the new sentence is about a separate event on a different day, and keeps the chronological order clearer.

I've made lots of edits, 35 or so— that's just counting the times I've saved an edit, not the changes themselves. You can see them all at once here, but it's probably better and a lot easier to go through the article itself. I've also made some notes in my sandbox; please look there too and tell me what you think. --Thnidu (talk) 04:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

You are doing great. Thumbs up My answers are in Sandbox. Check them.--Nizil (talk) 05:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Is it over? Any query? :) --Nizil (talk) 06:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: I am sorry; I've been preoccupied with medical issues for the past week or so. I think I'm done with it. --Thnidu (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
No, not quite. Tell me, is this
They announced 3 lakh to the kin of all twelve Patidars who had died in the agitation.
3 lakh to each family or a total to be divided among them?
--Thnidu (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
3 lakh was given to each family. Not divided. -Nizil (talk) 17:09, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks. The sentence now reads "They announced grants of 3 lakh to the kin of each of the twelve Patidars who died in the agitation." Using "each" instead of "all" makes it unambiguous. --Thnidu (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Pers Z S[edit]

Hi @Thnidu, thanks a lot for the edit. It certainly needed it, although it has been some weeks since I looked in on it, trying to get B-Dienst completed, but it will take another few months before Pers ZS is complete. It's byzantine in it's nature, and trying to find information is hard, so suspect it will be quite small. I noticed you made a mistake, changing cypher and cipher. They are interchangeable in the cartographic world and the use of one does preclude the use in the same sentence, a minor mistake, the rest was excellent. Perhaps you can take a look at Hans Rohrbach which also needs looked at and Walter Fricke, Wilhelm Tranow and Wilhelm Fenner. Thanks Scope creep (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I'm happy to help. I know that the two spellings are synonymous; I was aiming for consistency, and as the Y spelling seemed to me to predominate in the article, I went with it overall. (BTW, didn't you mean cryptographic?)
I'll try to have a look at Hans Rohrbach as I have time. But if the others don't already have articles, I'm not prepared to research them. I'm only vaguely familiar with this topic, just a layman. I mostly do copyediting, going into research only occasionally except in my preferred areas, plus some articles I've grown attached to. --Thnidu (talk) 16:50, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Excellent. The others are articles, i.e. Walter Fricke, Wilhelm Tranow and Wilhelm Fenner. Yip Copy editing is ideal. Scope creep (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@Scope creep: "Yip Copy"? Who (s)he? -- Typo for "your copy editing", I assume, and I thank you. I'll see how much I can do over the next few days. --Thnidu (talk) 00:57, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


@Scope creep: Why is the History section empty? Is there any reason to keep an empty section? --Thnidu (talk) 00:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Hans Rohrbach[edit]

@Scope creep: I'm doing copyediting on this page now, but I have a question. § Personal life mentions many year spans, but it's not always clear just how they're to be interpreted. E.g.,

However, he was still appointed as visiting Professor in the Department of Mathematics, in the Faculty of Science at the University of Mainz between 1946 and 1951. During 1951 and 1957 period, he was Extraordinary Professor in the Faculty of Science at Mainz, and later he was appointed Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, at Mainz, between 1954 and 1958. He was then associate professor in Department of Mathematics at Mainz, between 1957 and 1969. While undertaking all these roles, he was appointed Director of the Department of Mathematics at Mainz, a post which he held from 1958 until 1970.

Ignoring the grammatical awkwardnesses, do these mean "from year X to year Y", or "at some time between year X and year Y", or something else? I've changed this passage to

However, he held an appointment as Visiting Professor in the Department of Mathematics in the Faculty of Science at the University of Mainz, 1946–1951. From 1951 to 1957 he was Extraordinary Professor in the Faculty of Science at Mainz, and was later Dean of the Faculty of Natural Sciences, 1954–1958. He was then Associate Professor in the Department of Mathematics between 1957 and 1969. While undertaking all these roles, he was appointed Director of the Department of Mathematics at Mainz, a post which he held from 1958 until 1970. He was then Associate Professor in the Department of Mathematics between 1957 and 1969. While undertaking all these roles, he was appointed Director of the Department of Mathematics at Mainz, a post which he held from 1958 until 1970.

But I'm not sure it's all accurate. Does

he was still appointed as visiting Professor in the Department of Mathematics, in the Faculty of Science at the University of Mainz between 1946 and 1951

mean that he was appointed (began to hold that position) sometime in that span, or that he was appointed in 1946 and held the position from then until 1951?

He was appointed.

Does

Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, at Mainz, between 1954 and 1958

overlap

associate professor in Department of Mathematics at Mainz, between 1957 and 1969

?

Overlap. He was Director of the Department of Natural Science, roughly at the same time as being a professor doing research and lecture. So some overlap. They gave him a trial for some months after the war as director of the Faculty and ended up making it permie.

Does

During 1951 and 1957 period, he was Extraordinary Professor in the Faculty of Science

represent one long span or two short ones?

And it's immediately followed by

later he was appointed Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, at Mainz, between 1954 and 1958.

although 1954 is earlier than 1957, not later at all.

--Thnidu (talk) 04:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Thnidu, Excellent work, Although I thought several weeks would pass before you had a look. Certainly needs it, but the look of it. It means between. Take a look at the mactut archive reference if additional ref needs. Please see above and comments below.

This is what he did from 1951 to 1970.

After the war ended, Rohrbach was not allowed to teach for a number of years. However, he was appointed as Professor of Mathematics at the University of Mainz in 1951. He continued to hold this chair until he retired in 1977 when he was made professor emeritus. He was rector of the University in session 1966-67. He was also an editor of 'Crelle's Journal' from 1952 to 1977 assisting Helmut Hasse with this publication.

1951-1957, Extraordinary Professor, Faculty of Science, University of Mainz
1954-1958, Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, University of Mainz
1957-1969, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematics, Faculty of Science, University of Mainz
1958-1970, Director, Department of Mathematics, Faculty of Science, University of Mainz

There is still to be a section added, regarding his missionary work when he saved several people from the concentration camps. Scope creep (talk) 17:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Thnidu, you have also taken out his date of birth and date of death, which were accurate. Can you put them back in. Scope creep (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
@Scope creep: Thank you for the clear chronology. That will need only slight editing for the article. -- You didn't indent your in-line replies to a couple of my questions so I've added a colon and bolding to help me find them when I go back to the article.
Thank you also for correcting me on the dates. I haven't done much w bios before, maybe not anything, and I thought putting them in the lede was redundant to the infobox. But I just checked in MOS:OPENPARA, which says
... The opening paragraph should usually have:
...
2. Dates of birth and death, if known, ... for how to write these dates, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates of birth and death...
So back in they shall go.
As for his missionary work, as I said, I'm not familiar with this range of topics, and not prepared to do the research into secondary sources. What I've done here is to edit your writing (and maybe that of previous editors? I haven't checked the history on this), which is generally excellent on the facts-- although, as you are aware, it needed significant copyediting. If you can provide appropriate sourcing for the "missionary work", which is clearly quite notable, I'll be willing to look up the material and add it. If you can do a preliminary write-up from the source material, I'll be even happier to copyedit that. --Thnidu (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I can do the missionary work in the next couple of days. It's only coupla paras, just to balance the fact he was not an out and out Nazi, although it is very hard to tell this late in the day, but Academics are usually quite balanced, but it is possible. It's all in the mactut archive, and google books, with has two good references, if you want to complete it. I'll look up the sources. He seemly saved up to 4 scientists, who were destined for the chop. I have this other article on hand, which needs copyedited. I known it's a bit of a quest and request to horse on it, but this dude was a brilliant astronomer, and probably needs it, re; Rohrbach. The article is Walter Fricke. Excellent work done. 23:53, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
@Scope creep: TIA (thanks in advance). Sure I'll tackle the Fricke page, with the same approach as to Rohrbach. And the other linked names of his colleagues there. Bit by bit. --Thnidu (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Walter Fricke[edit]

@Scope creep: I've found a list of the abbreviations for many (all?) of the cipher divisions and put it in Talk:Cipher Department of the High Command of the Wehrmacht § Sections and abbreviations.

See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cryptography § List of WWII cipher divisions of the Wehrmacht.

--Thnidu (talk) 05:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Yip, solid list, you have a couple of duplicates, or more accurately military classification for it daily use name, if that is accurate. OKM/Chi is B-Diesnt, which I'm working on at the moment. And you a mix of military and civilian agencies on this. The Pers ZS is also civilian as is Forschungsamt. Inspektorate 7, which is also civilian is OKH/Chi. OKW/Chi article is already done, and it's at Cipher Department of the High Command of the Wehrmacht, which also needs copy-edited. That's an excellent informational page you've found for the reference. Ah, I see you have already saw OKW/Chi Scope creep (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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