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Laura Branigan[edit]

8/29/15: Your warning today that my latest edits "disrupt Wikipedia" are based on what specifics? All I did was link-in a file I found in Wiki Commons. If there's a problem with that file it's not my problem. On the contrary, it's you who have been repeatedly disruptive, as evidenced by your own comment listed below about "reverted 9 edits", all of which were totally correct in the first place and were all restored. "Against what all reliable sources say" turned out to be rank incompetence on your part, as you later admitted because an AP wire story is never considered reliable in itself, so what's your justification this time? I've never seen you add one constructive edit to this article, just sabotage my numerous constructive edits and cause me to have to undo your reversions. I already challenged you to an official conflict resolution, maybe I should officially request your editing privileges to be revoked? At least you reverted the arrogant sabotage of Other Half Entertainment, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt as to your fairness, but according to Wiki's official guidelines on disruptive editing, it's you not I who are doing it with this article when it comes to me, see: I quote: "When discussion fails to resolve the problem and when AN IMPARTIAL CONSENSUS OF EDITORS FROM OUTSIDE A DISPUTED PAGE (through requests for comment or similar means), further disruption is grounds for blocking, and may lead to more serious disciplinary action through the dispute resolution process". But you threatened to block me ON YOUR OWN without going through this process. So I'm warning you to stop your threats or I will report you. As to OHE, if they're really Branigan's official management company then when will they supply a link to a copy of her official birth certificate from the New York State records office that says 1957 instead of 1952? She was told by Atlantic Records to take 5 years off her age for publicity purposes and went along with it, but now that she's dead the record should be straightened out for all no matter how much they want to continue the charade. It seems that OHE has a PERSONAL CONNECTION to this article and should be the party banned from editing it, not fans like Stig Persson, or historians like moi, don't you agree? As to "original research", if this means scanning the Internet for information on Branigan then putting it in the article with appropriate links, that's something else entirely, good encyclopedia writing. As to the reversion of the Talk page, it was an accident on my part and I was in the process of trying to undo it when you beat me to it within seconds and threatened me yet again. I only wanted to delete a free plug to my site that Stig placed there, but since you seem to insist on it, thank you :) - — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: "Reverted 9 edits by Rv unsourced and undiscussed edits (changing the year of birth, sourced to IMDB, against what all reliable sources say, makes me doubt the other edits too..."

You continue to list her birth year as 1957 instead of 1952 and cite an unsigned newspaper article as your only source. The 1952 birth year comes from Internet Movie Database, a recognized authority in its field, yet you insist it's less reliable than a newspaper, in clear violation of Wiki guidelines, which consider all newspapers as suspicious when it comes to facts, the more so when the article is unsigned or signed by a non-recognized authority. The 1952 birth year jives with all of her biographical information, especially her own high school Web site which lists her year of graduation as 1970 at the usual age of 18, and the Web site of fellow Meadow band member Chris Van Cleave, who talks about meeting her in 1972 at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, which only admits high school graduates.

You are therefore not improving Wiki with your stubbornness, so why continue reverting my valuable edits backed by good links that have turned a botched article into a fine one? Do you insist on an official dispute resolution? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

  • What are you talking about? I reverted you once, then gave you a chance to fix it after your message on your talk page. Later reverts have been made by other editors, not by me. Thomas.W talk 16:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thomas, I represent Laura Branigan's management company, Other Half Entertainment. Please refer to my talk on user/editor Jim1138 's page regarding reverts I made to Branigan's Wiki page last night, and re-did just now. There is very much to say about what this article should demonstrate, and there are so-called "fans" who have an unhealthy fixation with "correcting" what they perceive as "errors". In the past, the article was rather well-written, but since these people have appeared to hijack her page in July, the article has much uncited content, little NPOV, and sounds more like a promotional piece for everyone else but Branigan. I am in the midst of preparing for this weekend's "Spirit of Love" Memorial Gathering and we are on Long Island for that purpose, and particularly, today is the anniversary of Branigan's death. I am asking everyone to understand and respect the time. Once the event is over, I will endeavor to revert this article to what it was before it was hijacked by these so-called "fans".

The Laura Branigan Management and Production Company, the Official Voice of the Laura Branigan legacy 12:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC) Vince Golik, Other Half Entertainment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Other Half Entertainment (talkcontribs)

@Other Half Entertainment: Representing that company does not give you the right to control the article on Wikipedia, and the exact same rules apply to you as to anyone else who edits here, including all rules regarding blanking/vandalism and edit-warring. According to Wikipedia's rules all content should be properly sourced (see Wikipedia's rules regarding reliable sources and Wikipedia's rules regarding verifiability), but we do not censor content, nor do we remove content just because a production company doesn't like it. Instead of removing the material you should discuss it on the talk page of the article, and explain why you want it removed, adhering to Wikipedia's policies when doing so, and attempt to get the support of other editors for it, before removing it. Thomas.W talk 12:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thomas: I was just finishing editing the Branigan article talk page when your comment on that page knocked my comment off. Since you appear to have control over the editing process here, and out of respect for the anniversary of Branigan's death, I would request that Wikipedia TAKE DOWN the Laura Branigan article IN ITS ENTIRETY for a period of time, rather than have known vandals continue hijacking its content with incorrect and unverifiable data.

The Laura Branigan Management and Production Company, the Official Voice of the Laura Branigan legacy 13:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@Other Half Entertainment: I don't control the editing process here, and we don't take down articles because a production company asks us to. One of the contentious details seems to be her date of birth, which to me seems properly sourced and explained (see thread on talk page, with a number of external links), but you have repeatedly removed a lot more content than that, so explain what you want removed, and why you want it removed, but do it on the talk page of the article, where other editors can also see it, not here. Thomas.W talk 13:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thomas: I DID attempt to do that on the Talk page for the article, and when you posted to the same page (note above), it removed my longer post. Briefly, we are NOT simply a production company, we are her business/legacy management, and we have a responsibility to ensure that public data, including on Wikipedia, is as valid and correct as it possibly can be. I will lay it out, though I don't want to have to do this TODAY (the anniversary of Laura's death); there are three people specifically, one in Sweden, one in Argentina, and one in the western US, who have consistently vandalized Laura's own Facebook page with argumentative assertions about the birth year issue. We at OHE are following the specific and exact direction given to us by Atlantic Records, and Branigan herself, and that is that the birth year was publicized as 1957, and that all reliable sources (newspaper articles, official biographies, record company publications, and even Rovi Corp, which is FAR more reliable as an impartial source than the "Internet Movie Database") have the SAME information. These three vandals have taken it upon themselves to "correct" what they perceive as an "error", and I will tell you that they are doing this out of spite (specifically the one in Sweden, I retained an email from this person describing what he was going to do, which included vandalizing Wiki) because we banned him and his Washington-state friend from Branigan's Facebook page for repeated violations of Facebook policy; their violations have been documented, this issue was discussed between us, Facebook, and our legal counsel, and we were advised to ban them permanently. I know that Facebook may have little to do with Wikipedia, but the same people who have caused mayhem recently on Branigan's Facebook page are the same ones doing it here. I would HOPE that Wiki editors would understand that there is much more going on here with respect to this article, and much more than I can explain here. We as her management do have to keep a certain level of decorum regarding what we can and cannot say publicly, but we, like many other celebrity management companies, have been fighting battles like this for years; this is simply the latest version of the fight by people who call themselves fans but are in reality, trolls. (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC) Vince Golik (awaiting username change - wasn't aware the username policy had changed)

Why does it matter so much to you if the article says 1952 or 1957? The only source for 1957 seems to be her obituary in New York Times, while the thread about her birth date on the talk page of the article contains a lot of information supporting 1952 as her year of birth, compiled by the "fans", as you describe them. I have no personal opinion about which year is correct or isn't, but the information compiled by the "fans" (supported by many external links) seems to outweigh the claim in New York Times. Thomas.W talk 14:11, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
For the benefit of my talk page stalkers I should add that you've been removing information supporting 1952 as her year of birth for the past seven years, even from the talk page of the article, so this is nothing new. But why, why does it matter so much to you? Thomas.W talk 14:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Maharana Pratap[edit]

ThomasW I move matter from one section to another and still moving. In the middle of editing. Please cooperate Da. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajamundhry reddy (talkcontribs) 21:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

  • That's not what your edit summary said, so I'm going to keep an eye on what you're doing on the article. Thomas.W talk 22:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Why did you remove matter which was sourced properly? Look at this first line which you removed is proper aint it? It is recorded in historical annals that as he lay dying, Pratap made his son and successor, Amar Singh, swear to maintain eternal conflict against the Mughals.[1]

Or you point a fault with this source. How can you remove it?

why did you remove poetry by Tagore? He is a nobel laureate from India and people know him all over the world? Do you not know him?

are you trying to harass me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajamundhry reddy (talkcontribs)

  • Harass you? Did you really believe that adding {{cn}}-tags to the material you added would excuse you from the requirement that all material that is added must be sourced? Did you expect other editors to find the sources for you, or did you hope that no-one would notice? You also removed sourced material, twice, claiming here after first being reverted that you were moving it to another section, but then not adding it anywhere. The text you added is also unencyclopaedic POV, the articles here on Wikipedia don't exist to glorify people, places or things, but to reflect what reliable sources say about people, places and things. And it's up to the person who adds the material to provide the sources for it, when adding the material. So read Wikipedia's rules about citing sources, verifiability and neutral point of view. Thomas.W talk 22:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

You have still not said what is the mistake in Romesh Chandra book reference which you deleted without rhyme or reason? I am asking you for the second time.

Secondly I have the references for the "cn" tags that I had put put. If you notice carefully for one of the "cn" tags the original poster had provided a citation but it was "red" and i removed it thinking of supplying a better reference which I do have now.

Since you have removed the matter I cannot add the citations.

Why are you not allowing breathing room to people? Are you at a war here or a few minutes or hours so difficult to grant? I am indeed feeling harassed and not comfortable with your attitude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajamundhry reddy (talkcontribs) 01:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, I'll tell you why I'm not going to give you a few hours of "breathing room". A) The source you give for some of your edits is not verifiable, a book by that name was published in 1943, but the name of the author is not the name that you give in your "reference", a "reference" that, in the exact same form as you write it, down to the page number, can been found on various forums and more or less nationalistic Wikis on the 'Net, which is where I believe you found it. And since the name of the author is wrong and no mention of it can be found in other places it looks very much like a fake reference. B) Most of your edits aren't sourced at all, you even added "citation needed"-tags to the material yourself, probably to make it look as if it had been there for a while. C) Moving text from one section to another doesn't take hours, not even minutes, so the time I gave you was more than enough for making such a move, but no move was made, what you did was deleting sourced material without adding it back anywhere. Thomas.W talk 12:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ Dutt, Romesh Chandra (1943). Pratap Singh, the last of the Rajputs: a tale of Rajput courage and chivalry. p. 180. ASIN B0006AVRDI.[edit]

please help me to remove my website Dirk Beetstra put my domain from the blacklist yourself GawenBerg (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

  • No, I'm not going to help you remove from the spam blacklist since it was repeatedly spammed here by very persistent Romanian and Pakistani IPs. And even if it was removed from the spam blacklist it wouldn't be allowed as a reference here, since it clearly isn't a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards, it also wouldn't be allowed as an external link since it doesn't fulfill any of the criteria for that (see WP:ELNO), so I see no use for it here. The only one who would benefit from a whitelisting, and having links on Wikipedia, is you, since it would improve your rating at Google, but Wikipedia doesn't exist to help site owners get more traffic. Thomas.W talk 19:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


@Thomas.W Kindly remove my website from blacklist: Someone has been posting my website on Wikipedia which is very embarassing for me. My website adds value to its visitors by giving them relevant and up-to-date information on the latest technologies. I share the same vision as is of Wikipedia to make information accessible to more and more people. As we share the common goals so it would be kind action on your part remove my website from blacklist: Thanking You, — Preceding unsigned comment added by GawenBerg (talkcontribs)

Precious again[edit]

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chasing vandals
Thank you, Thomas, proud for a good reason, for spending most of your "time on WP chasing vandals and socks", for fighting vandalism and misconceptions, for precision in language and linguistic, imagine polychoral praise: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 896th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Time flies, Gerda <sigh>. Or maybe it's just me getting slower and slower... Thomas.W talk 14:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


heorgians have 21 mi -24

 see this page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC) 
Nope. That's a reference from 2013 saying that Georgia once "had 21 Mi-24" and that they were being retired. Which is not the same as Georgia now having 21 Mi-24, as you changed it to. What Georgia have now is 9 Mi-24, just as "World Air Forces 2015" says. Thomas.W talk 16:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

GOT IT![edit]

...... where you belong i.e. Sure you decide what's to be on "your talk". I was asking something and you could have answered on "my Talk". I clearly asked if you could do so on "my this ip's talk" and not yours. I don't care whether you retain my message on your Talk or not, provided you read, ingested, digested, assimilated, contemplated, and then replied. Fun monitoring "South Asian" crap isn't it??? My message wasn't so much fun however even if South Asian and you went ooouch I can see! NOW, I PROMISE you on the very life of your british creed, I will approach whoever I need to, till I get this WIKI petition/movement started, and shall proliferate it in the months to come. Ciao. (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you did, but you most probably got it wrong. I'm neutral on Wikipedia in all matters that relate to India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and that part of the world, and intend to stay neutral. Thomas.W talk 10:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Gratified that you replied and that's the sole reason I came back one final time. In fact, I wouldn't have, but your answer seems to imply I accused you of taking sides in South Asian matters. I think my English was plain enough for anybody to see IN THE FIRST PLACE, that your stance on South Asian politics was not even an issue, as evidenced by my earlier message, which you removed and ignored COMPLETELY, TWICE over. I have zero doubts about your neutrality on India/Pakistan/Afghanistan issues - and that is as you say so - not that your being otherwise would bother me in the least really. And you can be on whichever side you wish to be if you were to not stay neutral. I still couldn't care less. I speak as an Indian and every other "South-Asian" non-Indian. And I speak as a Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Jain/Muslim/Christian/Jew/Parsi/Bahai/etc. Maintain your neutrality on South Asian matters as you please. Myself, I am also quite neutral and righteous, on whether the shameless brits should keep their loot or not. And shall not rest till I get WIKI users' signatures on my petition. Good day to you. (talk) 11:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that you only posted your petition on my talk page, why me and noone else? Thomas.W talk 11:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Well I will try not to get sucked in a loop with this. Hopefully my last reply. But of course you have the knack to give those little tweaks to things. All of what I entail were already there in my first post. a) I have been seeing your special interest in South Asian (political) pages; b) this has been the case for a year; c) you are not Asian; and most importantly d) therefore I thought I could take the liberty of asking you how' to start such a petition. how. I NEVER started one. I cannot if I don't know how to obviously. So asking you (or anybody) to sign on a non-existent thing would be BS. Being a non-Asian, a longtime editor and who takes interest in the present-day South-Asian political scenario (maybe 80% of which is a direct fallout of colonialism), I thought you might want to help with the same. But I now find myself though on another trajectory altogether. (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Post a question on Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Asia and ask there, but start with a shorter question, not with a wall of text. Those talk pages are your best chance, both for getting help with starting it and for getting support for it. And I'm sorry if I was a bit too much on my guard. Thomas.W talk 12:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Well that's spoken like a true genteel and thanks for the same. And I too apologize if in my earliest message I seemed like directing my vituperative towards you as I was not. Of course that language would come seeing the mess that the region is in. I will do as you have suggested and shall obviously cut out the flab. Hopefully WIKI will give a positive response on that and it will be a known thing over the months to come. Regards. (talk) 13:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


Hello Mr Thomas. W,

I wish to make Faisalabad a good article. Can you guide Mr Potto so we can clean the article but not remove alot of the data that was worked on. History section has all been removed, pictures, and geology section too. This is causing problems on the page. --Ellanorani (talk) 12:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

As you can see on his talk page I've already noted that he might not really know what he's doing, so I'll take a closer look at the article later today. Thomas.W talk 12:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. The Early History section has been fully deleted. A number of pictures have also been remained and/or removed. You might want to look back over the course of the month to see the changed. Some changes like wording is good but entire sections should not be deleted altogether. --Ellanorani (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for your help and the useful information you provided me with. I have never added information to Wikipedia before and was still working on what I was adding so I will review what I need to post and re-post under the proper guidelines, with proper sources, and under a proper username. UOIT EnergyEng (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

formation of andhra state is different from formation of Andhra pradesh[edit]

Hi There I have Removed Fomration of Andhra state details from Telangana page as it has nothing to do with state of Telangana Formation of Andhra pradesh can be in the History of Telangana because Andhra state and 10 districts of Hyderabad state formed Andhra Pradesh . Formation of Andhra state in 1953 Cannot be part of Telangana History but should be in the history of Andhra Pradesh and Andhra State. After the Death of Potti sri ramulu in 1953 after Andhra state was existing as independent state for 3 yrs there was a state Reorgination Act which resulted in Andhra Pradesh state.

Hence history of Andhra state is irrelevant in Telangana page. History of Hyderabad state would be more relevant. Facts should not be distorted by added unnecessary information on a Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.n.narin (talkcontribs) 21:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

That's an acceptable reason for removing it from Telangana. If you had explained it when you removed it the first time I wouldn't have reverted you. The text could be of interest in an article about the history of erstwhile Madras State too, though, since the areas were carved out of that state. Thomas.W talk 22:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
true thank you, and yes it makes more sensible if we add that in Madras state . — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.n.narin (talkcontribs) 22:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Differential (mechanical device)[edit]

Hi Thomas. Perhaps you might like to reconsider deleting the Chocholek reference in the above article. If you read the referenced page you will see that it was written by an employee of the company that developed it (Gleason Corporation), and appears to have been originally published by the IMechE. I would suggest therefore that the article is both notable and reliable. Its appearance on the "Z car club" page may be odd, but it seems that the club has sourced a number of good articles from elsewhere. The key fact being that Gleason Corporation, Chocholek and the IMechE are a citable authority, not the Z club who merely provide a site on which the page is reproduced. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:35, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The links weren't deleted because the website looked odd but because it's just a bunch of information with no mention of where that information comes from, which means it isn't verifiable. I noticed the page when a very persistent new user account tried to add a bunch of trivia with a link to on Z, and decided to check if others had spammed it too. I'll look at the page you mentioned, but the best solution would be to try to find the same information on a reliable site somewhere, or the book or whatever Z-Club got it from, instead of going by way of their club page. Thomas.W talk 21:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I am in two minds[edit]

If you look at the talk page of Acorn Mobility I have flagged the individual connected contributors as being connected. I have never decided whether the COI banner in addition is overkill or not when the {{Connected contributor}} template is used on the talk page. I suspect my thinking is that it matters to those to whom it matters. Fiddle Faddle 08:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

The {{COI}} tag shows that some of the information on the page should be taken with a grain of salt, and that the article might need a rewrite. The other IP,, is probably also connected to Acorn, BTW, since it geolocates to Toronto, where Acorn's office in Canada is (in Missisauga, a suburb of Toronto). As for Acorn being notable enough to have an article or not I don't have an opinion strong enough to !vote in the AfD. I'd say it's a borderline case, a case where most editors would probably !vote keep. Thomas.W talk 08:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Kashmir conflict[edit]

Hey there - just as an FYI regarding the proposals the IP has made for the text in the article - if you have some time, read over the DRN thread, specifically, where the statements by Sayeed Mufti and the "EU" (actually one MEP of the EU speaking of their own volition as shown by another reference) were shown as personal opinions (the one of Sayeed rejected by members of their own party) and thus fell under undue weight. Just thought you should have the whole picture. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 07:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Future of the Indian Navy[edit]

I saw you reverted my one Edit on Future of the Indian Navy well, I was searching for Reliable references and in between you reverted me. Anyway, I am Googling Reliable sources for that Face-smile.svg Boris Lewis (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC) Boris Lewis (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Boris Lewis: Reliable sources should be added when you add the material, not afterwards. The reason I reverted you, and will look through the other edits you've made, is that blogs and forums, such as that you used as reference, per Wikipedia's rules regarding reliable sources can't be used as sources at all, and is of dubious reliability. It's an aggregator site with no links to where their information comes from, making their information unverifiable, their stated purpose "We want the world to look at India as a military super power of the 21st century and not just as a country of software professionals." also gives the impression of them being more of a propaganda site than a reliable news outlet. Thomas.W talk 14:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@ Thomas.W I agree with you about the defenceforum. But the is a reliable source, you can see. Infact they even mentioned the information is it from india times[1] Although I will add the info after few minutes with multiple reliable sources, then don't revert me again. Boris Lewis (talk) 14:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Boris Lewis: I saw the reference to "India Times" but am far less impressed by it than you seem to be. If they had written "Times of India" and had provided a date, and preferably a link, it would with all probability be reliable, but "" isn't a reliable newspaper but a web site mainly publishing gossip about Indian celebrities and Bollywood movies, and not a reliable source for more serious news. As evident by the article you linked to, which is pure speculation about what could possibly happen in the future. Thomas.W talk 15:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


MyITreturn edits undo[edit]

I was informed by 'Mean as custard' that website links should not be done. THis has been removed. When you undid the posts on myitreturn, there were some external references that were undone. So, undoing. Thanks. Taxexpert01 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

  • @Taxexpert01: The message from Mean as custard has nothing to do with the material I removed, they gave you a warning for spamming external links ([1], [2], [3]) on multiple articles. So I have reverted your addition of promotional material again. Thomas.W talk 14:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hindi and related edits.[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure if you are from India. If you are my sincere apologies. For future reference, just stating that Hindi is not an official language anywhere outside of Himachal Pradesh, Harayana, Gujarat, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Uttarakhand, Madhya Pradesh and Chattisgarh. It is the official language of the Government of India and the states govts of the above mentioned states. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rsrikanth05: No, I'm not from India, nor anywhere else in that part of the world, for that matter; the main reason I'm active on articles relating to the Indian subcontinent is that the times of day when there's most activity on those articles usually fit the times of day when I can be most active on WP. As for official languages I go by what NCML, the National Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities, say in their almost-annual report (the AFAIK latest of which can be downloaded from here: ), an official government report that lists both which languages are spoken as majority and minority languages where, and what the offical and sub-official/supplementary languages are in every state and nationally administered area in India. Down to separate districts if they differ from the state as a whole. So I have a fairly good picture of which languages are official where in India. The NCML report is very handy when dealing with "language warriors", since it's easy to check if their edits are correct or not (which they usually aren't...). Thomas.W talk 11:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
That works well too. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Moreover, in many urban blocks local bodies makes different laws, for example, cities having large urdu speaking population, local municipal corporation of city passes law that both Hindi and Urdu are official languages of city council and they release their every document in both Hindi and Urdu, they name every government building in both Hindi and Urdu though official language of state can be just Hindi. So many times we revert when some IPs writes official language of that city other than Hindi, we say that "official language of the state is just Hindi". I'm confused regarding this issue whether to revert such edits because we don't know what is happening in their city council. These city councils are equally important. We must check website of that city council. City council also has elected representatives from all wards of the city. --Human3015 knock knock • 18:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
@Human3015: The infobox should include the official language, and under a separate heading possibly also sub-official/secondary/supplementary languages, if that is known. And please note that locally recognized languages decided upon by city councils etc are never official languages, only supplementary in that specific location. Sub-official/secondary/supplementary languages on district level decided upon by the state legislatures can be found in the NCLM report, see for example what the report says about official language in West Bengal. It states that Bengali is the only official language in all of West Bengal state, but also says that Nepali and English are both secondary official languages in Darjeeling and two other districts bordering Nepal, so the NCLM report includes everything we need to know for the infobox of articles on state and district level. Thomas.W talk 18:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I struck part of what I wrote about Darjeeling since it has changed since the previous report, which is what is used as source in Darjeeling. The currently latest report says that both Bengali and Nepali are official languages in Darjeeling and Kurseong sub-divisions of the district of Darjeeling, but only there, so Bengali is the only official language in the rest of the state. The report also says that Hindi, Urdu, Santhali, Oriya and Punjabi have been declared as "Additional Official Languages" in the state, that is secondary official languages. Which gives us everything we need to know for both the state of West Bengal and all subdivisions of it. Thomas.W talk 19:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for your clarification. IPs or new users are mainly involved in changing "official language" of the city and adding names of schools and colleges, about which we don't have any idea. Watching cities is interesting task. --Human3015 knock knock • 19:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

B. V. Sreekantan[edit]

I have added the name of B. V. Sreekantan under Notable alumni section of TIFR article. The article on Sreekantan is being created and the inclusion was for crosslinking. Cheers!!--jojo@nthony (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Tachs: Then please add the link to the list after you're finished with the article, so that it isn't a redlink. Names without an existing article are being routinely removed since 99% of them are clearly non-notable, and have been added by themselves or their families or friends. I don't doubt that Sreekantan is notable, though, since you're creating an article about him, but there's an above 50% chance that it won't be long before someone else removes it if I add the redlink back again. Thomas.W talk 14:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
The article on B. V. Sreekantan is created. Please have a look at it when you have time. Thanks for your patience; Have a great wikilife!! Cheers mate!!--jojo@nthony (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
It looks good, well done. Thomas.W talk 17:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Mate!--jojo@nthony (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

With due respect[edit]

I added sourceful addition to 'Ameen Faheem' which is more than a fact regarding him being the Chairman of Pakistan People's Party Parliamentarians and Former Chairman of Alliance of Restoration of Democracy. It would simply be an act to undermine his achievements by editing and hiding his traits. Derasindh24 (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You have made repeated unsourced edits with deliberately misleading edit summaries ("Grammatical correction in accordance with Wikipedia, historical addition with strong reference", "Historical addition with strong reference" etc as edit summaries on edits with no reference/source whatsoever). That's what you have been warned for. Thomas.W talk 21:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Further comment: One of your edits on Ameen Faheem added material with a link to another article, saying that viewers could look at that for reference, but a) other Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references, and b) the article you linked to is totally unsourced, so there's no source for your edit even there. Thomas.W talk 21:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Filling a sock report[edit]

When I say "go fight somewhere else, not on my talk page" I mean it.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello could you please kindly tell me how to undertake a sock puppet investigation [4] this user is a notorious sock of Knightwarrior23 who always asks for help and then messages you for help I wanted to make sure he is banned before he damages more articles with his indian pov sock edits. ShivaParvati587 (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI, I've already filed the SPI. Mar4d (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Asks me for help? If you look five sections up on this page you'll find that I reverted a number of edits that user made, and showed/explained why the sources he had used were worthless. That's not getting help from me... Thomas.W talk 14:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I said his basic give away trait is that he messages you first begging for help etc not that actually aid the sock I appreciate that you cannot recognise socks immediately I am not accusing you sheeesh stop being so defensive! ShivaParvati587 (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
@ShivaParvati587: Anyway, whose sock you are? --Human3015 knock knock • 16:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to fight do the fighting somewhere else, not on my talk page. Thomas.W talk 17:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes Human3015 the sock supporter who covers for the pov pushing Indians you will eventually be found out for what you really are no matter how long you play your "neutral loving" edit game I have seen your previous edits a snake with two heads fits your description. ShivaParvati587 (talk) 17:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Not adding unreliable sources[edit]

Why are you reverting my edits. I have cited a source from the official site of Indian Telly Awards. It can't be an unreliable one. If any source is unreliable you can simply fix Citation needed instead of completely removing that content Vibhss (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vibhss: A blog on Weebly and a link to a Youtube-video are not reliable sources, and even if they were they would provide references for only part of what you've repeatedly added to Kasamh Se. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fanblog, so stop treating it as if it were. Thomas.W talk 20:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


Dear Thomas, I updated the delhi information about villages but not for total population of Villages and City. There are 364 villages in Delhi, which is a fixed count and can not be changed. Out of 364 villages 225 villages are Jat dominated. Cities count can change but villages count in Delhi will always be fixed. I have given you the refrence of biggest newspaper and most trusted newspapers of India specially Delhi. So please have a look upon this. As i have mentioned that this is village's information of delhi.Prashant 015 (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prashant 015 (talkcontribs) 09:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@Prashant 015: I have checked the references, but just saying that 225 out of 364 villages, i.e. ~62%, within the NCT are dominated by Jats is misleading since Jats, per the same sources, only make up about 10% of Delhi's population, mainly living in farming communities at the outskirts of Delhi. So it isn't what you say in your edit that is the problem, it is what you don't say in your edit, giving the readers the impression that Jats make up a far larger part of Delhi's population than they do. Adding it to the lead/lede of the article is also WP:UNDUE since it's not a defining characteristic of Delhi, your repeated edits also place all references in the wrong places (they do not belong at the very top of the article...), remove the protection tag, etc., etc. So stop. Thomas.W talk 09:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
As Thomas.W says, please stop your disruptive editing on the Delhi article to avoid suspension of your editing rights. Thanks.  Philg88 talk 11:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


July 2015

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Gondophares, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Constantine .H talk 14:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Well, hello Spalagdama. You're either seriously overestimating your own skills and intelligence or seriously underestimating ours. The edit you repeatedly make on Gondophares with ever new socks, both named account and IPs, is qualified POV BS, not supported by any sources. Which is why you are repeatedly being blocked for it. Thomas.W talk 14:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Storm Model Management[edit]

She is indeed a model with Storm Model Management in their private european sector. I have seen her comp cards on the models wall when I went to their hq a week ago. She is underage so therefore they don't give her a profile online until she is 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:56, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)

  • Come on, I'm not half as stupid as you seem to think. You were reverted because it's a hoax edit that is regularly repeated by you, that is indefinitely blocked user Jemima West. Thomas.W talk 15:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Explainer videos & CC licence[edit]

What Alcohol Does to Your Body

Thank you for reviewing my edits. I'm fine with your feedback regarding Bitcoin, but for the rest, you can see below each video on YT that they're all CC licensed. Besides, you can see the same information here ( Can you revert your changes then? Or is there still missing something in licensing terms? Jack Matelot (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

@Jack Matelot: Hello. The problem isn't the licensing but the things I mentioned on your talk page, that you need to discuss it first on the talk page of each article, and give other editors a chance to check the content, both for neutrality (see WP:NPOV) and factual accuracy (which is especially important on medical articles). Thomas.W talk 15:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey Jack. Thanks for the videos. It is great having people working on them. I took a look at the one on alcoholism and placed it on that page under signs and symptoms. I also placed it at the top of Alcohol and health
Typically we only have one image / video in the lead of medical articles. Further such content should go in the body. Will look at your other work :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
By the way do you know how to upload subtitles for the videos you are working on? I see subtitles listed here [5]. Videos on commons have subtitle files here [6]
This would allow Wikipedians to translate the subtitle files into other languages. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay have readded to CPR and HIV/AIDS. User:Jack Matelot happy to keep working with you on adding other health related videos to Wikipedia. With respect to other topic areas might be best to simply post these videos on the talk pages initially. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Removal from Spam list[edit]

Hello Thomas

Recently when i am trying to add a reference for an article i found that the website has bee blacklisted and on spam list because of an unusual activity by a person called venu ... But sir is the only major resource which is available on internet for telugu related articles on all categories and more over it is a very old website sir and a prestigious website . It is looking like someones deliberate attempt to get it on to the blacklist .. Please guide me procedure for removal of this url from spam list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queendivz (talkcontribs) 10:21, 28 July 2015‎

@Queendivz: The site was blacklisted because of repeated spamming by multiple IPs and throw-away accounts, trying all tricks in the book and then some to get links into articles here (see MediaWiki, not because of the activities of a single user. The site is also not a reliable source per Wikipedia's rules, and cannot be used as a reference, so the odds are against getting the site off the blacklist. If there's a legitimate need (by Wikipedia's rules/standards) for specific links to to be added to articles, whitelisting of such links can be requested at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Just follow the instructions on the page. Thomas.W talk 10:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas : Thankyou Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queendivz (talkcontribs) 10:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Another user to review[edit]

So as not to give the sock master attention, I won't add this to the SPI. Please review the edits of Chad the Monkey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Please ignore: I see you are already dealing with this. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

About University of Delhi page[edit]

I'm not very expert in editing pages. I just want to add logo of our university whose file is Logo_of_University_of_Delhi.png I don't know why the rest of the page is being disturbed by it. I request you could you please add logo for me. I'll be really thankful to you. ISahilBhaskar (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

@ISahilBhaskar: Hello. The edits you made were reverted because they replaced certain characters in the articles with codes, making all references unreadable for the system. So I'll add the logo for you. Thomas.W talk 18:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
And yeah sir thanks a lot! Idek how to reply on wiki but somehow I'm doing! Ur really great! If I have knew u personally I must had given u a present.--ISahilBhaskar (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate sir you tried fulfilling what I was trying to do! But you did it wrong!! You replaced the seal of University with its logo! Watch the page of University of Oxford page! It should be done that way! And undone this change--ISahilBhaskar (talk) 19:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. Thomas.W talk 19:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Someone had made vandal changes to University of Delhi page. Please do revert those changes. ISahilBhaskar (talk) 13:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@ISahilBhaskar: I have restored the previous version of the article, but the edits that IP made were not vandalism, they were an attempt to repair this edit by IP, an edit that introduced the exact same coding errors as your edits did yesterday, making me believe it was you. So do not make any more edits to the article using the computer you have been recently been using, since it obviously uses a non-standard editor with a non-standard character set, an editor and a character set that isn't compatible with the English language Wikipedia. Thomas.W talk 13:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Kyivs'ka Rus'[edit]

if so, why it is called in Russian? And why not specify the name of the Ukrainian, because modern Ukraine largely in Kyivan Rus. How would you feel if article applies to Ukraine, it is not necessary to consider the opinion of the Ukrainian, backed by sources? Sorry for google transl--Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC) Please, read Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv

@Бучач-Львів: This is the English language Wikipedia, and Kievan Rus' is the English name for that historical political entity, which is why the article has that title. The Ukraine didn't exist back then, nor did the modern Ukrainian language, so the modern Ukrainian name for Kievan Rus' belongs no more in the lede of the article than the modern Scandinavian names for it, or the modern name in any other language than English. The names for it in other languages that are in the lede are in relevant languages of that period, i.e. Old Slavonic and Old Norse. So don't try to take your campaign to change Kiev to Kyiv everywhere on the English Wikipedia to articles that predate both the Ukraine and the (modern) Ukrainian language. Thomas.W talk 11:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Too bad you did not understand that the name - in Russian. Kyi was founder of Kyiv, not Kiev. And to Kievan Rus has more to do with Ukraine. And do not indicate in the article the modern Ukrainian name - wrong. Regarding as you said my campaign to replace - I do it only on the basis of sources. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 11:44, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv is a legend, not a historical fact, and the article about that legend here on en-WP is very badly sourced, and to a large extent unsourced, so it's totally irrelevant to this discussion. Kiev is the name used in English, the Scandinavian languages, German and just about every other language, not just in Russian. And as long as Kiev is the common name in English it will be the name that is used on the English language Wikipedia. Whether you like it or not. Thomas.W talk 11:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
You have not understood what I was saying.--Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
In that case you haven't explained it well enough. Kiev being called Kyiv in Ukrainian doesn't matter on the English language Wikipedia, since we go by what the common name in English is, not by the what the name is in the language spoken there. And Kiev is not in any way unique, there are hundreds of cities, regions and countries around the world that have a name in English that differs from the native name, and an article here on en-WP that uses the common name in English, and not the native name. Some of those cities are Rome (Roma), Copenhagen (København), Vienna (Wien), Prague (Praha), Warsaw (Warszawa), Venice (Venezia), Lisbon (Lisboa), Florence (Firenze) and Munich (München), and I have never seen anyone from those places make a fuss about it, the way you do. Thomas.W talk 12:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Deletion discussion[edit]

After reviewing Atsme's actions, I have decided that her actions as a whole do not look good, but I have also decided to nominate this article for deletion, as it seems to be not notable and not more than a dictionary entry.--Müdigkeit (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: Closed as speedy keep... Thomas.W talk 09:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I mean it[edit]

Do not pile onto things I am trying to do. I do not play GANG games. So do not follow on to me. Please strike what you wrote at MONGO's page or open your own section. I cannot tell you how ugly it looks. My writing there was already delicate and you just dropped a dead pig on it. Jytdog (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I'm not piling on to anything you write and I do not follow you around, I run my own race, and, quite frankly, care more about the catfish articles and the current system for articles about species than about the rest of the mess around Atsme. The reason I posted on MONGO's talk page is this discussion on Atsme's talk page, which is all about species articles, and has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of it. So don't try to tell me what I can and can't do when it comes to subjects that concern me. And no, I'm not going to strike the post I made on MONGO's talk page. Thomas.W talk 20:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I really didn't like that. Open your own damned thread especially if your issue is distinct from mine. If you follow behind me again on some Atsme issue I will kick harder next time. I do not play GANG games and I will not be seen to be playing GANG games - and you seem oblivious to the latter. If you insist on being un-clueful do that at your expense, not mine. Jytdog (talk) 20:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Jytdog: I'm not part of a gang, never have been and never will be. My post on MONGO's talk page was an attempt to make them realise that there's no point in encouraging Atsme, because they're not going to be able to change the system, and that he ought to stay out of this, and not post on her talk page about it. Just like I haven't posted on her talk page after she got blocked. Thomas.W talk 20:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I just separated your post from mine at MONGO's page. Please let that stand. Jytdog (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Guys...I combined the two threads to address the issues...if Jytdog wishes me to restore Thomas.W heading I can.--MONGO 00:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Thomas W I owe you an apology. I was too harsh above and I am sorry for that. I am grateful to you MONGO for dealing with that gracefully. Jytdog (talk) 12:44, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Apology accepted. Thomas.W talk 13:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Kievan Rus'[edit]

I've started a discussion about Kievan Rus' on the Wikipedia Adminitrators' noiceboard.

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

--Elevencontortionist (talk) 12:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

  • A complaint that was promptly dismissed. Thomas.W talk 19:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Schola Medica Salernitana[edit]

  • These changes will not pass unnoticed . Your actions do not conform to the rules of wikipedia .-- (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Out of curiosity I checked what the Italian Wikipedia say, and their take on it is "è considerata da molti come l'antesignana delle moderne università", or in English "it is considered by many to be the forerunner/predecessor of modern universities" (my emphasis), i.e. not even the Italian Wikipedia claim that Schola Medica Salernitana was a university, only a predecessor to it, one stop on the way to what later became universities as we know them today. While the claim repeatedly made by you is "The Schola Medica Salernitana (Principality of Salerno) is the first university in Europe and Western World" (my emphasis). Or in other words, not even the people on the Italian Wikipedia agree with you. Thomas.W talk 18:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, we understand your reasons but I think you should not insist(Thomas.W). The sources are in English and are very reliable and accurate.-- (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
It's you who shouldn't insist. Salerno was not founded as a university, period. Thomas.W talk 13:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC) (For further reading see Talk:Schola Medica Salernitana)
Encyclopaedia Britannica and "The subversion of Australian universities, edited by John Biggs and Richard Davis, 2002 define clearly the content; it makes no sense to insist (Thomas.W)-- (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal biasness shown by Cyphoidbomb[edit]

I had a talk page disscussion over article balouchistan Pakistan where my position was oposite from User Cyphoidbomb. All ended with a concensus. After that for another article Baluchistan I am here on DRN against User Cyphoidbomb, but with out being relevant to another article's (Khyber Paktunkhwa) dispute (between me and User Jasimkhanum 10 on maintaning pre dispute version of article), Cyphoidbomb started persanol revenge game. 1. He misrepresented me on ANI read 2. He deleted pre dispute version of Khyber Pakhtunkha and took Jasimkhanum 10 side and voilated WP principle that in case of dispute a pre dispute version will be maintaned. Zmaghndstakun (talk) 03:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Zmaghndstakun: Quite what you're trying to achieve by posting the same message on multiple user talk pages isn't clear. If you have a complaint about Cyphoidbomb then file it at the appropriate noticeboard — but beware of the boomerang. Thanks.  Philg88 talk 05:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Phil. As you have already noted, Zmaghndstakun is forum-shopping. And why is he posting here? Thomas.W is the person who reported him to AN3. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: I have no idea, but it's borderline disruptive and needs to stop.  Philg88 talk 06:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Many people on Wikipedia think that Thomas is an admin. Even, when I was new I used to think that Thomas is admin. --Human3015Send WikiLove  07:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

None of your business[edit]

It doesnt concerns you so leave me alone. Johnco21 (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Wrong, people who vandalise Wikipedia by deliberately introducing false information are my business. Thomas.W talk 22:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The CMO Survey[edit]

Hi Thomas W. I see that your name appears on the mainspace of the article The CMO Survey, I don't understand the full content of the article so I don't know if it alludes to you or to some other person with your coincidental user name, thanx. Jexter 2000 (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I have nothing to with neither the article nor the survey, and can't see my name there, so I guess you were just trying to draw my attention to it. Thomas.W talk 19:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes it does give your name. Look closely. Burjeremonz (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
It did, but it no longer does. Thomas.W talk 19:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal attack[edit]

Hi there - it seems your account/userspace might be under a personal attack. I'm sure you're aware of this. Samuel Tarling (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, I am, but dealing with my own userspace doesn't have top priority, there are other things that need to be done first. Thomas.W talk 20:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: understood - just thought I would make you aware of it as it was flagging up on New Pages. Happy editing Samuel Tarling (talk) 20:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
@Samtar: When there's an attack always get the vandal blocked first, then start the clean up. Otherwise they'll be one step ahead of you all the time, no matter how hard you work. Thomas.W talk 20:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


Hey have you read this? [7] What an unfair accusation. I am a poet by profession and I cannot believe the deranged minds of some people, they look for any excuse for a scandal or a gossip. I simply write poems and here is looks as if something was intended subliminally except it wasn't. Martin Cold Mans (talk) 19:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

  • @Martin Cold Mans: C'mon, Evlekis, don't you have anything better to do than this? It's Friday evening and I'm having a cup of tea and a sip of Laphroaig, so don't throw a tantrum like you did yesterday. Thomas.W talk 19:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Edits of TheIraqiArab[edit]

Hello, Thomas. I saw that, for several times, you reverted edits of TheIraqiArab (talk · contribs) on articles like Iraqi Armed Forces, Iraqi Army, etc for adding some "fantasy numbers" into them. Of course, I agree with you, I've reverted him on several articles too - Iraqi Army, as well as at Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Syria Region, Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Iraq Region, etc. Today, I saw that he's also using an IP address - [8]... I find his edits quite problematic, and I just wanted to inform you that his edit pattern is continuing as yesterday. --Sundostund (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Avicii not notable enough to be in the infobox[edit]

I totally agree. But I'm not so sure about the IP's original addition, which they immediately overwrote with Avicii: the Zlatinator. Mind you, I don't have any strong views on the portrait gallery altogether, and I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for reanimating those "Loreen not a real Swede" idjits, so no talkpage posting for me. Bishonen | talk 16:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC).

I reverted the IP not only for bringning forth names that I don't feel are notable enough, but also because my grandmother used to say that being 13 around the dinner table brings bad luck. Having 13 images in the infobox also doesn't look good. Thomas.W talk 17:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indian_cities#Tourism.2Flandmarks.2Fplaces_of_interest. Thanks. --Human3015Send WikiLove  00:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


Anything against Hindi ? I do not see you active in Spanish or other language pages!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PradeepBoston (talkcontribs) 19:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

  • @PradeepBoston: There's no need for it there. Hindi being spoken by immigrants in foreign countries doesn't count as Hindi being a minority language there. Every country in Europe, for example, has immigrants speaking a hundred different languages, without any of those languages counting as minority languages there. Thomas.W talk 20:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


plzz change . abkhazians have 12- su-27 and 5 su-25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

  • You need to provide a reliable source for it, before making such changes. Thomas.W talk 20:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

  • That's not a reliable source ("This site's content is compiled from many sources often containing conflicting information, so there may be inaccuracies in the data provided. The content of this site is provided "AS IS" without any warranties of accuracy, completeness, currentness, noninfringement, merchantability, or fitness for any purpose", from the web site's disclaimer page). Thomas.W talk 20:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Jon Lucas (actor)[edit]

Why did you remove my edit for Jon Lucas. I am one of his close friends so I should know. More than you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

  • So you claim. But anyone can claim anything, so without references you're not getting anything into the article. Thomas.W talk 19:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Luleå's population[edit]

The city (which is not a politcal entity) has only about 46,000 inhabitants. 75,921 is the total population of the whole municipality including 17 more localities and vast rural areas. Do not mix it up! Thats the "system" in Sweden! --Muniswede (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I know, but a municipality/kommun is the lowest level of administration in Sweden, since "tätort" is just statistics used for planning (most municipalities/kommuner have more than one "tätort", but there are also "tätorter" that span two or more municipalities/kommuner). The figure for the municipality as a whole is properly sourced, but the figure for the "tätort" alone that you added isn't sourced at all, so unless you provide a reference for it, it will be removed. Thomas.W talk 22:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
The population figures for municipalities of Sweden should be in the separate articles about each municipality, like Luleå Municipality, not in the articles about their seats. Localities (tätort) and municipalities (kommun) should not be mixed up. --Muniswede (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Country F.Y.R.O.M.[edit]

This country ye say F.Y.R.O.M. do not ye say Macedonia. Macedonia ye say geography apatmernt in Greece. Thanks for the undestanding. Γιουγκοσλαβια (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@Γιουγκοσλαβια: Don't thank me for "my understanding" because I don't support your view at all. Virtually all countries in the world know it as the Republic of Macedonia, one of the few exceptions being Greece. And since this is the English language Wikipedia, not Greece, continued attempts to replace every mention of Macedonia with a Greek POV version of the name will get you into trouble. Thomas.W talk 17:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Insist on the truth to it is said — Preceding unsigned comment added by Γιουγκοσλαβια (talkcontribs) 17:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

And that is exactly what I'm doing, insisting on the truth, not Greek POV. Thomas.W talk 17:44, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Just undid your revert[edit]

Thomas, per Wikipedia:CheckUser#CheckUser_and_privacy_policy Cu's can't connect an IP to a named account, nor can non-CU's. The IP address has to stay out per the privacy policy, sorry. KoshVorlon We are all Kosh 16:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

False. Non-Cus may certainly make connections...we do it all the time. You may pose this as a precautionary question and ask at ANI for more clarity if you wish. No CU has done anything wrong here.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Completely agree with Berean Hunter. Furthermore, CU's can announce they've blocked/warned a mixture of named accounts and IPs without explicitly saying IP belongs to user X. --NeilN talk to me 17:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
@KoshVorlon: Seems I'm late to the party, but I reverted the edit for the exact reasons that have been given above. Lists of IPs and named accounts, with or without implied connections between them, are posted on WP:ANI every day, and do not violate any rules. Thomas.W talk 17:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I accept your second argument that old Nalanda University longer exists and can not be in the list of "continually operating oldest universities in the world" list. But I need to inquire little more about the first one. Thirdly, I mentioned that link (of current Nalanda University, established in 2014) to site the source of information (mentioning old Nalanda as an university and its date of establishment) I got from and not to link those two universities, which are surely non-related. Thanks, Jay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay62728 (talkcontribs)

Hello. I know that the brand new Nalanda University are trying to portray old Nalanda as a university (and themselves as a continuation of that school), but it doesn't fit the mainstream definition of university, no more than any other old schools do. And if we were to extend the definition of university there are also many other candidates for the title "first university in the world", such as Greek schools during antiquity, schools that would predate Nalanda by a few hundred years or more... Thomas.W talk 18:05, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Skåneländsk Samling[edit]

There's actually a thing called "Skåneländsk Samling"? And spelled just like that? You're kidding me. No… no… I did look up your links, I see you're not making it up. It's still really hard to believe. I'm bemused. Why are all the other, ordinary, regions free from the flaring Skånsk nuttery, or is it just that I've never noticed it anywhere else?

Hmm. All of 27 members. Shouldn't they have a Wikipedia article? My god, they do have one! On! Well, if I hadn't long since given up trying to reason with… hmmm. Never mind, forgot what I was going to say. Just, my interest in is limited. I think I'll just ping Peter Isotalo, all the same. Bishonen | talk 15:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Yes, they really do exist, they "för en tynande tillvaro", though, getting no more votes in the election in 2002, the only election that they AFAIK have tried their luck in, than the number of members in their own organisation (even Kalle Anka-partiet got more votes than they did...). Skånepartiet is very mainstream compared to Skåneländsk Samling, showing how far off the scale from sane to nutty they are. Thomas.W talk 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Skåne breeds a unique type of regionalist nonsense, apparently. If I was still active on I'd AfD the article. The only source is a link to their charters. Obvious trams.
Peter Isotalo 12:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Your reversal on Summer vacation[edit]

Answering your message:

Hello. I have reverted your edit, just like others have previously done, since time off during other times of the year has nothing to do with summer vacation, which is what this article is about. So don't add it again. Thank you. Thomas.W talk 18:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Why then do I read this about the US?

Students also receive several days off in November for Thanksgiving, two weeks off for Christmas and New Year's, and one or two weeks in March or April for spring break. In some rare schools, students also get a week off in February for President's Day, and a week off in October for fall break (usually the week of Columbus Day). (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I've removed it now, so it's no longer there... Thomas.W talk 17:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


You have been falsely claiming and messing up with knowledge contributions.Please avoid such behaviors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indian Historian Ramshankar (talkcontribs)

Prof. Ramshankar

  • The text you added on Goa is a copyright violation, just like the text you have previously added there (and have been warned for). Thomas.W talk 13:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

No its not, check the history of that text on wikipedia. YOu are from the INdian navy and have been messing the facts of GOa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indian Historian Ramshankar (talkcontribs)

  • ?????? Thomas.W talk 13:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles about India[edit]

If you have a problem with my edits, take it to WP:ANI and I will also tell them about your editwarring on the false pretext of vandalism when you know I am not vandalizing. Chewers Meat (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Spam links[edit]

Since you seem to track spam links effectively can you take a look at inserted by Vinitmehta3. I'm guessing it'd have to be added to the blacklist. —SpacemanSpiff 11:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

This user has been creating that article and adding links to the site as refs, so I assumed it was a small thing. This is worse then. I'll take a look later and see if the rest are ok. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

disruptive, poor faith edits on Lexus RX[edit]

Your recent edits on the Lexus RX, not the one's back from December 2013 were seemingly disruptive and in poor faith of previous editor's contributions, FYI I will be taking this up when I get some free time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoojaboard (talkcontribs) 01:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

  • That's just a load of you-know-what. You have been opposed/reverted by multiple editors, not just by me, so just drop it. Thomas.W talk 06:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

My edit in the Skellefteå article includes no fringe theory[edit]

Hi. I need to inform you that my edit which you reverted about an hour it the Skellefteå article includes no fringe theory. Please no not revert that well sourced and appropriate edit. Thank you. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@Åsa Gunilla: Yes it is fringe. It's based on the very fringe theories of Kyösti Julku and others about an ancient Finnic "Kingdom of Kvenland", and about the original/native population in most of present day Sweden having been Finnish-speakers. Which is just a load of BS, not supported by documents of any kind, nor any kind of archaelogic evidence. Skellefteå has never been a Finnish-speaking area, and there are no ancient Finnish names for it, so it doesn't belong in the article. Both the material you add and your editing style make me believe that you're not a new editor, just the latest incarnation of an editor who has previously posted similar material on a number of other articles. An editor who was blocked indefinitely for their activities (which included the use of sock puppets to push their view). Thomas.W talk 09:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not banned from anywhere. This article has for long been tagged with the "needs additional citations" sign. Now perfectly fine additional citations are provided. A known linguist was included in the sources which you deleted twice. All other sources used are also widely accepted as reliable and appropriate sources in Wikipedia, and so is all the information presented. The information does not have to satisfy your or my personal views. If some study published after Vilkuna's study contradicts his teaching, please present it, along with an exact quote and a source. If such study exists, perhaps we can include that one too.
Discoveries of ancient items were added, including a medieval hat found in Skellefteå, not a type the Sami are known to have worn.[1][2][3][4]. Yet, it is not our job to list such details, but just the findings or hypotheses of well known and widely accepted experts. Vilkuna is one such expert. The linguist, historian and professor of ethnology Kustaa Vilkuna (1902–1980) has specialized in the history, language and ancient place names of Norrland. Being a highly regarded expert on this subject, Vilkuna was made the professor of ethnology at University of Helsinki, to teach this topic, among other things.
Historians have widely presented all along, that the old Finnish name for Skellefteå is Heletti. Accoding to Vilkuna, in the 16th century the river Skellefteå marked the border, south of where was inhabited by primarily Swedish-speaking people, knows as the Hälsinglanders. The region to the north of the river was still at that point inhabited by people who spoke Finnish and/or the Finno-Ugric Sami languages. [5][6] Åsa Gunilla (talk) 21:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
The article needs additional citations, not fringe theories. Basing your claim that the area was inhabited by Finns on a hat is just plain silly, since if we apply that "logic", or rather lack of it, to everything else that has been found in Sweden much of central Sweden could just as rightfully be claimed to have been inhabited by Arabs, based on the large numbers of 9th through 12th century coins with Arabic text on that have been found there. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fan forum, so we need academic sources, and plenty of them, and archaeological evidence much more substantial than a mediaeval hat found somewhere, before you can add your fringe theories to any article here. Thomas.W talk 21:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
That was just to prove you wrong about there not being "any kind of archaeological evidence", or "no ancient Finnish names for it". Evidence requested, evidence provided. There's much more available. A large amount of little pieces of evidence, like the ancient skis and hat, has led researchers to come to the conclusions they have. However, it is not any Wikipedia editor's duty to try to make you understand what has lead each researcher to their conclusions. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 01:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Neither the hat nor the "references" you provided support the claims you make. Your edits violate WP:OR, WP:FRINGE and WP:RS, so stop. Thomas.W talk 08:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Please note that prior to my establishing this Wikipedia user account Åsa Gunilla, a single edit was made by me in Wikipedia as Annika Dlb. There is no "sock-puppeting" involved, and the two accounts have not been used for editing the same article in Wikipedia.
Frivolous 3RR-warning removed.
Your repeated edits violate WP:OR, WP:FRINGE and WP:RS. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
@Åsa Gunilla:
A) Your editing clearly shows that you're not a new editor, in spite of your repeated claims. As I intend to prove in a sock puppet investigation. Digging through edits on multiple articles all the way back to 2013, and possibly even earlier, takes a bit of time, though.
B) The fringe material on Skellefteå should have been removed much earlier, but I didn't see it until a totally different matter brought me there. And having been in the article for a long time is no reason to keep obviously fringe OR/SYNTH material in articles, such material should always be removed at sight. Just as I did. Thomas.W talk 13:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
PS. I now have material enough to prove that you have been around, using multiple user accounts to add the same and similar fringe material to multiple articles, at least since 2012... Thomas.W talk 13:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Please do not lie to Wikipedia administrators. Please do not edit my comments made to you. I have not made "repeated claims" that I am a "new editor" in Wikipedia. I have never made such a claim. I have edited Wikipedia prior to this, just not actively. I only stated to you: "I'm not banned from anywhere." I have never pushed any "fringe material" anywhere. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Åsa Gunilla: I'm not lying to anyone, and I'm free to remove whatever I want from my talk page, including your repeated frivolous 3RR-warnings. I can now prove that you've been around since at least 2011, BTW, making tendentious edits using a considerable number of throw-away accounts to evade scrutiny, which by itself is a violation of Wikipedia's policies. Thomas.W talk 15:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
  • The editor has now been blocked for abusing multiple accounts... Thomas.W talk 20:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ The Lappvattnet hat. Exploring the medieval hunt. Posted on 19 March, 2015.
  2. ^ A medieval hat discovered in 1938 in the village of Lappvattnet, outside Burträsk. SPÅR från 10 000 år (in Swedish). Posted on March 20, 2015.
  3. ^ The Lappvattnet hat. Exploring the medieval hunt. Posted on 19 March, 2015.
  4. ^ A medieval hat discovered in 1938 in the village of Lappvattnet, outside Burträsk. SPÅR från 10 000 år (in Swedish). Posted on March 20, 2015.
  5. ^ Kansatieteilijän työpöydältä: Kainuu-Kvenland. A collection of studies and writings by Kustaa Vilkuna. Edited by Janne Vilkuna. Suomalaisen kirjallisuuden seura, Helsinki, 1989. Page 147. ISBN 951-717-562-0.
  6. ^ Kainuu-Kvenland: Missä ja mikä? Vilkuna, Kustaa. Suomalaisen kirjallisuuden seura. Helsinki, 1958. Book is in Finnish, Swedish translation published in 1969.


Hi, one user named Mukhaiyar has inserted non-official language name in infoboxes of many cities. Can you help me to revert those changes? --Human3015TALK  16:11, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

  • @Human3015: I can't read the scripts used (other than seeing that it looks like text in Marathi and Nastaliq) and thus can't check what the editor is adding, so I suggest you find someone else to help you. Thomas.W talk 17:09, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
    • Just an fyi Thomas, this addition of scripts shouldn't be done per WP:INDICSCRIPT irrespective of the validity of the spelling etc, though there's an unwritten exception to allow the official script in infoboxes of geographic locations. —SpacemanSpiff 19:11, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
      • The edits I looked at added native name(s) in Indic script in the infobox, not in the lead of the article. Thomas.W talk 19:17, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
        • Problem here is that he's been adding non-native :) That's the entire issue here, we keep getting all and sundry scripts in these articles (I removed Bengali from Delhi earlier today), but it's a real pain and waste of time handling this at multiple articles, best left for an AWB run I think. And although the RfC started to cover the lead it ended up defining the whole article. The exceptions being e.g. Marathi for Maharashtra locations in infobox, Kannada for Karnataka locations in infobox and so on. —SpacemanSpiff 19:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
          • That's why I said I couldn't help Human3015, I wouldn't be able to tell if what had been added was correct or not. Thomas.W talk 19:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
            • Oh, I wasn't asking you to reconsider, just alerting you to the RfC since you work a lot on the India geo articles. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 19:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
              • Even I can't read Urdu script properly, but as it was written on place of name so we can know that it is city name written in Urdu script, but as per tradition we use only official language in infobox native name. You usually work on language related stuff on Cities thats why I was asking you because number of city pages edited by that editor is high. I have still not reverted his changes. Because it is viral attack on my PC and it is working very very slowly. Thats why I was asking your help. --Human3015TALK  15:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Oldest University in the World[edit]

Hello Thomas,

I've received your "warning" about my recent edits on the topic of the world's oldest universities. It turns out that historical and academic facts are not your primary concern. Instead you're only interested in spreading Eurocentric propaganda, sadly for you that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. We are interested in true world facts that have been confirmed by historians and NGO's (UNESCO). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musteizer (talkcontribs) 17:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Musteizer: Don't be silly. "University" isn't a generic name for schools of higher/advanced learning but a name for a specific type of such school, the first of which was the University of Bologna. If we widen the definition to include madrasahs, such as the school you're trying to add, and similar schools we would also have to include a lot of other schools, including still existing Christian cathedral schools that are older than the school you try to add, so "your" school wouldn't be the oldest even then. Thomas.W talk 17:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Mega cities[edit]

you fool Thomas w.u are the one who are mis leading people, I donoe you are from which country but i'm from INDIA . and each nd every INDIAN knows MUMBAI is the most populous city in india and not Delhi. and Bangalore is the third most populous city in india. if u hav any doubt you can check it in Wikipedia itself. nad atlast you r the one who is not allowing ppl to giv them correct information — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUHAS JAYANNA (talkcontribs)

  • You're repeatedly changing the names in the list, without providing any sources or doing anything else, which is just plain disruptive, and vandalism. So stop. Thomas.W talk 17:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Swedish Finns[edit]

Can you specify which people in my most recent version cannot be included? -- (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Sven-Göran Eriksson is of Forest Finn ancestry, while Charlotte Kalla and Mikael Niemi are of Tornedalian ancestry. Hans Särkijärvi is from Kiruna and thus most probably of Tornedalian ancestry. The only information I can find about Alicia Vikander is that she's of one quarter Finnish ancestry and that one of her parents is from a small village in northern Sweden and one from a small village in southern Sweden, which could mean that she's either one quarter Tornedalian or one quarter Swedish Finn, so you'd need a source for that. Forest Finns migrated to Sweden proper from then Swedish Finland 400 years ago and are fully assimilated (i.e haven't spoken Finnish for several generations and don't see themselves as Finns), and Tornedalians are Finnish speakers who have lived in the same area they live now since before the border between what is now Sweden and what is now Finland was more or less arbitrarily drawn in 1809, and thus aren't migrants at all, which is why there's a separate article about Swedish Finns, i.e. post World War II immigrants from Finland (of which about a quarter or so are from the Finland-Swedish minority in Finland and thus spoke Swedish as their first language/mother tongue even before migrating to Sweden). So to play safe you should only choose people who self-identify as being of recent Finnish ancestry when picking images for the gallery in the article, and not go by what Category:Swedish people of Finnish descent says. Thomas.W talk 09:49, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Well I only added Eriksson and Vikander, the other three were there to begin with and still are. Mind if I just remove and (to keep it even) Tensta because he seems to be 1/4th unknown Finnish at most and Puma Swede because it's stupid to have a porn star? -- (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to add and remove people as long as they're notable (= have an article here) and are within the scope of the article. And please remove the three that were there but shouldn't have been. Thomas.W talk 15:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for spotting the sockpuppeting editor! However, it's generally considered not to be a good idea to taunt trolls, even if they are really annoying; perversely, it doesn't drive them away, instead the attention usually encourages them, as trolling is generally an attention-seeking behavior. The best response to trolls is relentless, boring, polite, impersonal shuting-down and denial of attention, sometimes with software-aided intervention for the most persistent cases. If they're giving you a hard time, please bring this to the attention of administrators at WP:AN/I, and they can take over on enforcement. -- The Anome (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@The Anome: Evlekis isn't giving me a hard time, even though he thinks so himself, and does his best to annoy me. If you check the page history of my talk page you'll find that it has been hit by five Evlekis socks tonight alone, and it's the fourth day in a row now that he's been doing that, and he has also created numerous now deleted attack pages targeting me (he's probably one of the most prolific sockers and trollers on en-WP ever). Four of tonight's socks were blocked by admins who watch my talk page and saw the socks post here (the sixth one tonight was found by me before he had a chance to use it), so it's an excellent honeypot (see the image at the top of the page), and the minor taunting was intended to keep his focus on me, because attacking me is less damaging to the encyclopaedia than his usual activities, creating hoax articles and trolling WP:ANI and other boards, are. Thomas.W talk 19:28, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad you're not bothered by this, and I'll leave you to let them waste their time on futile attempts to annoy you. If you need any help, I'm happy to help out, as will be other admins. -- The Anome (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Many thanks for your many and varied contributions to Wikpedia -- The Anome (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Edits on Latin letters by Special:Contributions/Mark Recio[edit]

Hi, I'm just writing to inform you that the user whom you corrected and reverted on various articles about the letters of the Latin alphabet, as well as warned about edit warring, has been reported after numerous warnings for including a flood of unverifiable very subjectively "similar" characters in the lists. LjL (talk) 13:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Khowar language[edit]

you reverted my edit on khowar topic why??? I have really no idea why you are doing this First see properly the the article then talk with me dont revert my edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisardrosh (talkcontribs) 15:49, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

  • You can not remove maintenance templates and content as you please just because you don't like it, before maintenance templates are removed the problems must be fixed, which you didn't, and you gave no valid reasons for the changes you made or for the removal of content... Thomas.W talk 16:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda[edit]

I fail to understand as to what is the logic behind the comment 'those who want to see the list of alumni can visit the school website'. It that case, what is the need of even having a wiki page!? People can very well visit the University official websites and get whatever information they require.

Go to the Wiki pages of any of the premier institutions in the world, like say, Stanford University and you will find a section enlisting a large list of notable Alumni. And when you write something about an institution, there cannot be a dispute to the fact that alumni are the ones who build its image and they do require a mention.

As fas as the authenticity is concerned; the list could be verified with the University official websites and also the wiki pages of all the prominent people who are listed in the list of notable alumni.

Hope it clears the point. Thanks Preyas252000 (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

  • @Preyas252000: Having truly notable alumni, such as Nobel prize winners or similar, or other people who are truly "world famous", in articles about universities is, IMHO, okay, but having long lists of people with only limited/local notability, such as cricketers, actresses/models, local politicians etc, isn't. Wikipedia is an international encyclopaedia for English-speakers all over the world, not a localised Wikipedia only for India. And yes, that's how I feel about this regardless of which country the university is in, so it has nothing to do with the university being Indian. Thomas.W talk 21:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: I understand that Wikipedia is An encyclopaedia for all the people in the world. But do all the people know about all the Universities in the world? Or do they even apply in all Universities? See, there are some people who might not be known in the world; but they are real heroes as far as the region is concerned. Take for instance, Dadasaheb Phalke. Only a section of the world would know who this great man was but come to India and you will see that everyone knows that he is the Father of Indian Cinema. Similarly, sitting here in India; i do not even know people in different countries but they might have made a real contribution to their region which should not be diminished. Majority of students who apply to the University are locals and for them, knowing that they would be studying in the University which has produced these people might be a great thing; as those people really matter to them; if not the whole world. I feel that the Page should be edited and written in a way that the real readers should benefit from it. :) P.S. I am sure the people in the list aren't that unknown as it seems to you - they all have their wiki pages which mention that they have made significant contributions in their respective fields.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Preyas252000 (talkcontribs)
(edit conflict)@Preyas252000: You seem to have misunderstood what Wikipedia is. It's an encyclopaedia, not Facebook or a collection of local bulletin boards. And I'd like to believe that young men and women look at things that really matter when deciding what university to go to, such as international/national ranking, the quality of education within the field of study that interests them, etc., and not what university a "father of local cinema", a cricketer or a model has gone to. I know I did... Thomas.W talk 22:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
If, as claimed, those people have their own Wikipedia articles, the it makes all the sense in the world, IMHO, to list them as alumni (if they provably were, obviously). If they are not really notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles then that should be addressed in the first place. LjL (talk) 22:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

SPI Template Removal[edit]

Not to pile on here, but please see the SPI case - the suspected sock I had listed is now confirmed under the sock master. In the future, please be more clear about your suspicions. If you wish, it might be useful to file a case of the sock master you had suspected under this sock master to merge the cases, if necessary. --JustBerry (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

@JustBerry: <sigh> I knew you'd post something like that. Sher Afzal Karim is not CU-confirmed as a sock (quote: "To be clear, I did not run a CU against Sher Afzal Karim, then or now"), but since they do similar things on the same articles it doesn't really matter what master they're blocked under, as long as they're blocked, so having the user blocked under Najaf instead of in a separate SPI saves work. Both now and in the future. Which is why I haven't filed a separate SPI. So why don't you just drop the stick? Thomas.W talk 18:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry if my wording was unclear, but Sher Afzal Karim is confirmed as a sock of Najaf. That's why the account was in the confirmed list. Parsing my comments, I did not run a CU then. That's absolutely accurate. I did not run a CU now. I suppose you could say that's only partially accurate. I ran a check against the two accounts listed. In the course of doing any check, sometimes other accounts appear that are related but which you weren't looking for. That's what happened here, not just with Sher Afzal Karim, but with the other as well. I hope that clears up any confusion. I have a question, though, about Thomas.W's comment below ("I just told you both") - one of both is JustBerry, I assume - who's the other? Just curious, not important.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23: Both refers to what comes after, i.e. not filing a separate report and having said why, not two people, but I guess I could have phrased that better. Based on behavioural evidence I'm still not convinced Sher is the same person as Najaf, though, just someone locating to the same area, just as I said on the SPI. Not that it matters though, as long as they get blocked. Thomas.W talk 19:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
As to behavioral evidence, you're probably more familiar with it than I am. As to confirmed, though, it is never based solely on location. The technical data confirming the account was compelling. That said, as you know,  CheckUser is not magic pixie dust.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
All I'm saying is that you might want to consider merging the SPI case you had in mind with this SPI case, since, as you had aforementioned, it doesn't matter. I'm just having a discussion; it has nothing to do with WP:Drop the stick, and this isn't about who was right or wrong, per-say, either. --JustBerry (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
??? I just told you both that I'm not filing a separate SPI, and why I'm not doing it... Thomas.W talk 18:04, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Possible Najaf ali bhayo sock[edit]

Could you please take a look at this? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Sorry for the late answer, but yes, I've seen it. A number of other IPs in the same range have also made similar edits, so I'll prepare a report for SPI, with Sher Afzal Karim (talk · contribs · count) as suspected master. Thomas.W talk 12:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

SPI clerks[edit]

You should sign up.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)