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Hello!! Let's talk about Samma Dynasty — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrEggWasher (talkcontribs) 18:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I'm sure you probably get this a lot, but thank you for your anti-vandalism work. I really appreciate the work you do here. Cheers! ComputerJA () 13:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Threats are pointless tom[edit]

According to you I vandalised pages by adding content which was unverified the thruth is your at fault because I provided a valid reason for my edit threatening to block me is a abuse of power StaedtlerTheOnLy (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @StaedtlerTheOnLy: The source in the article very clearly says that Punjabis make up ~35% of the population of Delhi, i.e just over one-third of the population, not the totally false 65-75% (first 75% and then in the following edit 65%, showing that you just made up the numbers) that you, without any sources, changed it to on Punjabis, and on Ethnic groups in Delhi you made a totally unsourced claim about most people in Delhi being Punjabis. Edits that are "deliberate introduction of factual errors", and thus vandalism. And continuing to add fake data/fake claims will with all probability get you blocked - Tom | Thomas.W talk 16:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Actually when I changed the number from 35 to75 instead of 65 it was a typo I acknowledged that and changed it to 65 it was a small error only and Mr tom you have no idea when I inserted the change it was based on a recent newspaper report/survey by India's largest Hindi newspaper​ Dainik jagran so it can't be wrong and plus it's owned by the government I have already stated that it was a reliable source and another thing stop threatening or warning me your talk page indicates I'm not the only one who you've chosen to pick a bone with you may be a veteran editor but it's gone to your head StaedtlerTheOnLy (talk) 07:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
  • You more than doubled the number of Punjabis in Delhi, without providing any sources for your changes, and there's no way you can talk yourself out of that. Period. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 08:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Let me explain[edit]

Unfortunately u have deleted the chapter which i have added. Its a famous phase of Indian language movement, where one Sudeshna Singha died and became the second women martyr in human history for mother tongue. (After Smt. Kamala Bhattacharya in Assam). may be the source is not reliable then I must produce reliable sources, documents. I think the chapter of movement should be included in the said language after due references as you required. Give some time to collect and provide these all rather deleting without warning. thank you sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinakpani (talkcontribs)

  • You can't add material unless it's sourced to a source that is reliable by Wikipedia's standards, no matter how famous a phase of the Indian language movement you claim it is. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok. there are so many information are there, in the same articles without references, I m requesting you to peruse all then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinakpani (talkcontribs)

  • You added controversial material claiming the Indian police fired into a crowd of innocent civilian protesters without notice, wounding hundreds of people and killing at least one, sourced only to a partisan blog, so don't compare your edits to edits by others adding totally un-controversial material on other articles. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 15:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Alright then[edit]

Wikipedia articles not being reliable sources you say? Everyone can add whatever they want? If anyone could add whatever they want then why aren't they being regarded as vandalism???? And why aren't they editted back to normal? You yourself don't add reliable sources to what you edit back aka it shouldn't be kept. You're saying urself that Wikipedia is a s****y site then let it be. If you're not happy with the edits then why bother fixing them with misinformation that is false. I'll make a site of my one with information written by me, editable by me and full of false information and because it wont be a Wikipedia article it'll be regarded as reliable? Hah alright then. Aleksihaah (talk) 11:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @Aleksihaah: See WP:CIRC: "Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether this English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources. Also, do not use websites that mirror Wikipedia content or publications that rely on material from Wikipedia as sources. Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly.", and WP:USERGENERATED: "In particular, a wikilink is not a reliable source.". - Tom | Thomas.W talk 11:07, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Norweigan Colonies[edit]

See the talk page of the relevant template, Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroe Islands were colonies of the Kingdom of Norway until 1814, when they were ceded to Denmark.XavierGreen (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @XavierGreen: No, they were never seen as colonies of the Kingdom of Norway, and, as I wrote on your talk page, with link and all, there were no colonial empires before the end of the 15th century, which is what matters in this case, since its about inclusion in Template:Colonial empires. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Serbian military equipment[edit]

See a note which I left for User:Evandro321. If the dispute resumes please let me know. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

KRISS Vector[edit]

Regarding the KRISS Vector's article. It's ok, Bones Jones and I already have an agreement regarding the issue. I will make sure that it wouldn't happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gun Lover (talkcontribs) 08:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

me[edit] and see above many notifications since january, i was merely trying to make the article more neutral, can you please remove that note you gave me on my talkpage, i will do so my self later, thank you for your time (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

i modified my edits, atleast whats wrong with the flag and the rest, if were going to have a infobox for a proposed country the flag would be same, russian was made all union official 1990, and official language of Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), the second phase began in september after the august soviet 1991 coup which made ukraine and azerbaijan lose intrest in the project (i did not write this see the article) (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

That IP-Hopper you are having trouble with.[edit]

Hey Tom, my name is Hornetzilla78. I have noticed that you're having trouble with a user who is going by multiple IP addresses they are using and is inserting false, unsourced, and unconstructive edits on pages such as North Korea and weapons of mass destruction. I have that particular page under my watchlist, and I can give you one lead to who the user is: a user by the name Adam Loop. If you look at the edits he/she has made on that article, the information he/she inserted exactly matches those of the IP-Hopper that is troubling you lately. I hope this helps you in case this IP-Hopper causes trouble in the future :) Hornetzilla78 (talk) 02:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


Hello Thomas, i trust everything is great for you. Plese what is you take on this AFDas i recall you usually are very well informed when it pertains to Nigerian related articles.Celestina007 (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing[edit]

Hi, just letting you know, this user is still persistently removing references to Afghanistan or related terms (e.g. Afghan, Dari, Tajik, Bactrian, Pashto) on articles. He does so, either without giving adequate explanation and/or by replacing them with references to Pakistan. Even after you gave him a 6 month ban on editing articles relating to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, he has resumed editing in the same single-minded way. For example, from this month (June), soon after his ban ended:

Talk:Norse cosmology IP[edit]

Hi Thomas.W, I blocked an IP given your report at AIV ( and thought I'd give you a courtesy note that I've unblocked them per an IRC discussion with them in #wikipedia-en-unblock connect. I believe it is reasonable that they might not be the same person, and thus weren't evading a block. Put bluntly, I've given them some rope and we'll see what they do -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 13:55, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

This is not home grown. I referenced middle high german. I will add references with time. You don't seem to have heard of mutual intelligibility.

This is ethnic discrimination due to Nationalism, or personal history... I am American just so you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

  • You have added the same home-grown theories for at least six years now, without ever providing any reference for them, so your time ran out long ago, and just claiming that something derives from high German isn't "referencing". Mutual intelligibility also has nothing to do with what you're repeatedly ranting about, and your repeated claims about being discrimated against because of your "ethnicity" are just plain silly. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 12:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

You are an asshole go back to England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Thank you[edit]

I did not realise that I could not do that, as I am pretty new to Wikipedia. Is there any other way you could word it to make it seem informational instead of promotional? BungBillow (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Dani Daniels[edit]

You deleted my edit but it was correct. NewComVIc (talk) 19:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Your edit was unsourced, hence unverifiable and a violation of our policy concerning biographies of living persons. General Ization Talk 19:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Precious three years![edit]

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for keeping an eye on so many articles. It is much appreciated. Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 05:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your nomination for the deletion of the Salai Taret[edit]

Sir, am trying to keep a written record here on the clans of the Meitei People of Manipur, India. No one seems interested to give such information to the world so the page wasn't there before. There's a lot in real which isn't in internet, sir. Being a small minor community in such a big country, no big research is being made. Everyone is busy or delighted to focus just on the bigger ones. Am gathering more information regarding the page. Am a beginner here. I guess the blog page shouldn't be used as the references but as i have mentioned above, no one is interested in researching on the small fish, everyone's after the bigger one. Looking forward for your reply and suggestions. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punshiba18 (talkcontribs) 18:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and requires all articles to be sourced to reliable sources, not just blogs and similar, as the article you created is. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Am a beginner here, sir. I got to know about its reliable source now. Will gather more information on it with the reliable sources. By the way, it's hurting to know that now in this digital world, a real thing can't be portray as real if it doesn't have an information in internet. Thanks for enlightening me. Sir, the article is much needed. Its not just a make up things.Punshiba18 (talk) 18:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: Sir, i have updated all the references. Kindly please check it. Thank you sir for making me improve the page with reliable resources. Let me know your suggestions or opinion about the new changes. Thank you.Punshiba18 ❯❯❯ Talk 21:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Strange ip[edit]

The ip is making strange edits on multiple articles and sneakly changing the meanings of contents. I don't know how to handle with this, they are editing countless articles countess times!-probably to make it harder to spot. (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


I caught Chernobog95 editing unconstructively on North Korea and weapons of mass destruction after you gave him/her the final warning. --Hornetzilla78 (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

He/she has just admitted that he has purposely attacked me on [[Talk:User:Chernobog95|his her talk page, another user has just pointed out. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Hornetzilla78 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Ehsan Sehgal[edit]

Hi, perhaps you would be interested in this case, which is very similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehmat Aziz Chitrali (2nd nomination). --Saqib (talk) 12:08, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


Chernobog95 just admitted on his talk page that he intentionally attacked a user named Hornetzilla78 before accusing him of being "unprofessional" with his edits. SamaranEmerald (talk) 21:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems he has beaten me to the post. SamaranEmerald (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Newsletter[edit]

Hello Thomas.W, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!
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Hello, Tom! You were involved in the AfD of self-promotion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehmat Aziz Chitrali (2nd nomination). Similar to that there is a AfD going on in which your comments will be helpful Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ehsan Sehgal (3nd nomination). Thank you for your contributions. Greenbörg (talk) 08:57, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

my edit[edit]

hi, I had edits in renault capture,suzuki vitara and suzuki kizashi,it's correct,why you deleted it? Mohamad mrk (talk) 12:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Your edits were reverted because they were totally unsourced. See messages on your own talk page. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Selective picking of countries for the WE list[edit]

Your edits [ [1]] on Western Europe have been reverted, as your edits were WP:Unsourced and possibly WP:POV. Please refrain from similar edits in the future. For more info on this, please check the talk page, where a discussion has been opened up about it, at: [2].

Have a good day. --SILENTRESIDENT 16:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @SilentResident: You're the one adding POV with no support from other editors (having been reverted multiple times by multiple editors). You also made a POV removal of the German language from Western Europe, replacing it with Greek, so you have been reverted again. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 16:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thomas, I am sorry but false accusations ain't going to help you. You said: You're the one adding POV with no support from other editors (having been reverted multiple times by multiple editors) Have you checked the history log at all? Haven't you realized that Greece was in the Commonly Referred WE Countries List for a LONG time, before you and Future Perfect ever take it out of that list? I am sorry but it was you and that other editor who stirred up the debate, not me. I didn't even make any edits to the commonly referred WE list and you can see that by checking the history log, so please correct your facts. You said: You also made a POV removal of the German language from Western Europe, replacing it with Greek, Really? Please see: [3]. What part of the "REMOVING BOTH" you didn't understand? Full of false accusations against me aren't going to help your defence on the ANI, so please self-revert your edits and seek for WP:CONSENSUS before passing them. Otherwise you will leave me no option but to report you to the ANI for false accusations, disruption and forcing changes into the page without seeking consensus. --SILENTRESIDENT 18:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@SilentResident: I don't know what you're on, but you're now not only claiming that Greece is part of Western Europe, by adding Greece to one list there in the edits I reverted, but also claiming that Germany isn't part of Western Europe, by removing the German language from another list there in those same edits. As for the rest I'm not as easily fooled/scared as you seem to think, so threatening to take me to ANI over this is just plain silly... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thomas, don't you tell me you revert sourced edits WITHOUT checking the sources provided? Don't tell me you haven't read the sources which refer Greece as a WE country? If you did, then it is time for you to familiarize with WP:VERIFICATION which is one of the core content policies of Wikipedia. Do yourself a favor and stop accusing others of POV when you do not even know what POV really is. To remove sourced material from Wikipedia just because it does not suit your POV, is frown, considered a form of disruption and can lead to blocks. I am not trying to scare you, I am pointing out to what happens to those who believe they can remove sourced content at will and without consequences. I am very sure you do not want to be one of them. --SILENTRESIDENT 18:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
If you believe your arguments are valid and you have sources to back them, then you are more than welcome to discuss them in the talk page where you can share with us yours sources that can support your view, that Greece is not related to Western Europe, either geopolitically or culturally, so we can check and validate them. But until then, please refrain from further disruption in the article. Such disruption like this one today, where you made edits that are contradicted by the given sources, won't stay, are a form of disruption and may lead to blocks. At least do not say that I didn't warn you. Have a good day. --SILENTRESIDENT 18:56, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@SilentResident: I will comment on the talk page, but not until I have made a thorough check on the 46.12.* IPs (geolocating to Thessaloniki) that keep popping up on that page, with a timing that sets off my sensors... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to check that IP. But be careful, as to ever assume that IP to be me. Because conspiracy theory accusations, directed against other editors, are a very serious violation of Wikipedia's "assume good faith" (AGF) guideline and "no personal attacks" (NPA) policy. I am sure you have good intentions on this and that you do not want to violate more rules than you have already done so I am just letting you know. --SILENTRESIDENT 19:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@SilentResident: I know the rules here at least as well as you do, and probably better than you, and I'm particularly familiar with everything that has to do with sockpuppetry, since dealing with that is what I do much of my time here, so there's no need for you to tell me what is or isn't a violation of this or that rule... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:29, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Good. And please inform me of your findings here on this talk. And, once you are done with that, I could appreciate if can you *finally* show up with some sources on the WE's talk page instead of wasting my time. Do something more productive for once. --SILENTRESIDENT 19:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
If I find anything it will be dealt with in whatever forum that is the right one for it, and if I don't find anything I see no reason to discuss it here or anywhere else, neither with you nor with anyone else... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I disagree. You implied that I am sockpuppeting. This is serious even if you just are implying it. You can't just imply (or even worse, accuse) others of sockpuppetry every time you have a content dispute with them, I am sorry but this is frown and do not expect from them to pretend otherwise. So I very kindly am asking you, if you really are a honest editor, that you won't leave this implication hanging forever. Do your investigation and let me know if your "sensors" are proven right. --SILENTRESIDENT 20:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@SilentResident: No, I did not (please feel free to check my contributions...), the only one who has implied even the possibility of such a connection is you, yourself (in this edit). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite my warnings, you keep being involved in edit wars. In your latest revision, you argued that there is no consensus for these edits [4] but I shall remind you that you do not have consensus for keeping specific countries out of the list either, as specific countries are removed without reaching a consensus on the talk first, starting with Future Perfect's edits. So please if you have to revert edits, revert them all, including Fut. Perf's edits, not selectively depending your POV. Otherwise I will be inclined to report you as being part of the problem, not its solution. --SILENTRESIDENT 13:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @SilentResident: I don't give the proverbial rat's arse for your warnings, since you're the one who is edit-warring, not me, and against several other editors to boot, and by all means feel free to report me at whatever forum your want. Your repeated utterly childish attempts to intimidate me, by threatening to report me at an unspecified board, repeatedly linking to and mentioning various policies, and casually mentioning WP:ANI, don't work, because a) I'm too old and experienced IRL for that, b) I have been an editor here on en-WP for far longer than you, and have made far more edits here than you have, and c) I know the rules and regulations here better than you do. And this whole "discussion" is just a big waste of time, so shooo, go find another talk page to play on, and another editor to try to intimidate... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:48, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Spamming and Harassment[edit]

Please do not spam my Talk page or threaten me, again. Especially with my Master-Slave morality page. (most of Nietzsche's pages are unsourced; purposefully, because they are meant to be authored and interpreted literally. In other words, there are no sources used - Users are only meant to correct the summary.) I know and am aware of the rules of Wikipedia -- I just failed to provide a source for the Finnish. (response to your threat to ban me) Also, I noticed you are British -- Likewise, I am V.I.P. working for the British government but am stationed in the United States. I can easily look up all your information where you live, where you work, what you purchased, who you've dated and married (since post-1940) and find out who you are as well as your relatives in only 5-10 minutes; so you should take great caution with who you are talking to and are threatening. That's a personal warning, not a threat. I have no privileges here on Wikipedia but am in contact with several Admins. Look over Wikipedia rules and guidelines - I did not make any errors, on your part your spam/harassment is the error. I have done nothing wrong, sir. Thank you and have a nice day. --- MightisRight (talk) 14:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @MightisRight: You have been reverted and warned in full accordance with Wikipedia's rules, for repeated unsourced/OR/SYNTH edits on multiple articles, since you haven't provided sources for a single one of the edits you have made here. As for the rest of your post, it's just childish rubbish... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 15:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
As it happens I also "am V.I.P." working for the British government but stationed in the United States, and can easily look up all MightisRight's information: where he lives, where he works, what he purchased, and who he's dated and married (since post-1940), plus of course who he is as well as his relatives in only 5-10 minutes. I just did it, and it turns out he's in the eighth grade at Oneida Middle School in Schenectady. He's never had a date. EEng 18:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

About the Telugu language[edit]

Hey Tom, I would like to know why you had reversed my edits on the Telugu language. Your response is much appreciated. TheAwesome21 (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @TheAwesome21: You were reverted on Telugu language for removing material with the edit summary "Removed irrelevant information". Wikipedia isn't written for "average readers" only, but also for "advanced readers", and even though the more specialised information you removed from the article may seem irrelevant to you, it's highly relevant to linguists. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 09:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Tom, I think you may have misunderstood me. I removed the information in the confidence that there was already an original article about the Telugu script anyway. I just felt that like in an essay, the info was randomly placed. But can I please redo all of my edits except for that once specific one piece of info if you're interested? TheAwesome21 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC) TheAwesome21 (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Deleting my content[edit]

Sorry to bother you but i need to clarify that I was finding the references furthermore if you had gone to the Pundravardhana page you would have noticed that all of what I said wa accurate I had spent 20 minutes adding to that page and you sadly destroyed all that in one minute without doing some research yourself you could have added references yourself but dont worry i will add it myself Ahnaf.AR.2106 (talk) 14:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @Ahnaf.AR.2106: Per Wikipedia's rules Wikipedia articles can not be used as references, so if you add the material back again, without providing reliable sources for it, in your edit, it will be removed again. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 15:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok I added reliable refferences[edit]

Thank you for what you wrote do not worry i added reliable refferences YOU DO NOT need to remove thank you for helping me on my first edit.


your editing for sonipat is not proper sir. RV SONIPAT (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @RV SONIPAT: It's your editing on Sonipat that isn't "proper". The unsourced material more fit for a blog or a travel-guide than an encyclopaedia that you repeatedly add to the article doesn't belong here, especially since it's also written in bad English and all in lower-case... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing[edit]

Warning icon Your unexplained reverts to are unacceptable. My edit summary explained my rationale for removing the paragraph in question, whereas you've now reverted me twice without addressing my first edit summary. Per WP:UNDUE, not all events are worthy of inclusion in an article, even if they are sourced. A product receiving a small amount of backlash for a few days back in 2013 is not some major event that needs to forever archived on Wikipedia, particularly when the section and article are packed with more relevant content. Please review Wikipedia's policies on edit summaries and disputes to learn more about constructive ways to handle disagreement over an edit. (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Per WP:BRD you must discuss it on the talk page of the article, and get support from other editors for removing it, if you are being reverted, as you have been on, even if you do provide an edit summary. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 09:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Indic script concensus in infobox[edit]

Hi I found you have removed Indic scripts from infobox stating concensus, can you point me to RFC or other concensus which was done here. I only remeber there was concensus in not to use Indic scripts in the lead Shrikanthv (talk) 09:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry no need found it Shrikanthv (talk) 09:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Goods and Services Tax (India)[edit]

I noticed u removed the video from Goods and Services Tax (India). It is the video footage of the official event launch of the same and it is directly relevant to the topic and hence it's in English language can be used by International readers too.. If any problem regarding same do mention it. --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०†ลℓк †๏ мэ 15:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Tiven2240: The launch event has nothing to do with the Goods and services tax as such, which is what the article is about, and the video of the president of India "launching" the tax is of interest to readers from India only, who since this is an international English-language encyclopaedia make up only a very small minority of our readers. If we had had an article about the launch event as such the video you added might have been relevant, but we don't have that kind of articles, since Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a newsoutlet. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 16:23, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[edit]

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Ottoman–Safavid War (1623–39), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Appah Rao (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Appah Rao: Get real. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, requiring reliable sources for changes, not a fanblog, making your repeated unsourced changes on multiple articles very disruptive. And as for the Ottoman–Safavid War (1623–39) you have now, with no explanation or discussion, removed "decisive" three times from the infobox of an article about a victory that indeed was decisive, being reverted by two different editors, and still feel you're right, and everyone else is wrong... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 17:00, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Ottoman–Safavid War (1623–39)[edit]

Instead of edit-warring, might I suggest using the article talk page? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Kansas Bear: That is what I have told the other editor to do, since they're the only one who wants to remove "decisive" (having been reverted by two different editors), I have also explained on their talk page why it was a decisive victory (it ended a very long period of almost continous war, and led to 150 years of peace...), but no response there either. It's also not the first article they've removed "decisive" from, only the latest one, and were even dragged to WP:ANI for it less than two weeks ago. Which, since their account is only three weeks old, with ~150 edits, clearly shows that they have problems collaborating with other editors... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:29, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


I already knew it.Nobody can show that italy never got its own nuclear weapons by its program.All is covered by statal secret as Italian President reports.Benniejets (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Just stop it, I counted five reverts by you on the article, so if someone had bothered to post a 3RR-warning on your talk page before I did, you would have been blocked now... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 21:43, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Classifying "Indian" wiki pages as semi-protected.[edit]

Hello Sir - Thank you so much for detecting and fixing the vandalism on this page :

I had a request, owing to the frequent vandalism on this stage would it be possible to classify the page as "semi-protected"?

Best, Ishan — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

  • The page has been protected for a few days now (through WP:RFPP). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


I responded on my talk page and I ask you to reconsider. The two articles where there was no source, that is openly unsourced and there is no good reason to put the religion in the infobox other than to push a POV that the conflict was sectarian which it wasn't. I was removing POV there and not pushing it. The other infobox where there was a source I have explained on my talk page. read the source article and it is talking about one single person and not the state or its people.Ilham Ilham Ilham (talk) 21:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no purpose to write a sect or religion in the infobox when the conflict wasn't sectarian other than to push a POV that it was and there was no source for those two other articles where I removed that POV. If you don't mind I'm going to remove it again from the two articles which didn't have citations and I will leave the cited one alone until you respond otherwiseIlham Ilham Ilham (talk) 22:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Can you still give a yes or no answer on the validity of the citation? I still don't think that citation is valid because of the reasons I explained. It talks about one individual and his religion and is not a good source for that parameter of the religion of an entire state. I think it should be removed and if someone else has a better source they will edit it.Ilham Ilham Ilham (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Aiding HSBC discussion[edit]

Hi, regarding HSBC article. I know the normal rule is to keep the existing version until we have consensus, but if you look at the talk page discussion, there are now comments that don't make sense unless you can see the 'Hong Kong' version. I was hoping to get a quick discussion and a WP:SNOW for the previous 'British' version, but I'm happy to go through the full process as that's what you prefer. Matt's talk 11:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @M.R.Forrester: I have posted a strong oppose to the changes for being totally illogical, since the lead should reflect the current status of the company, and there is no such thing as a current "British-Hong Kong" company, for the simple reason that Hong Kong ceased being British twenty years ago. Hong Kong (and Shanghai for that matter) belong in the history section of the article, and only there... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 11:51, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
As you wanted a fuller discussion, I've now written a lengthy post over on the talk page. I agree that the company is British, and the "British-Hong Kong" wording in accurate. But the HK connection is much more than history. If Barclays or Lloyds announced they were moving their HQs to Brasilia or Seattle, we'd think it was something from The Onion, but HSBC seriously considered moving the holding company and global HQ last year, and no one expected it to anywhere other than HK. Why is that? Why does HSBC issue banknotes in Hong Kong, not in Scotland? It's a unique case and our article should reflect that (though I think the current introduction probably overdoes things). Matt's talk 12:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
@M.R.Forrester: You have to differentiate between HSBC, which is a holding company registered (as HSBC Holdings PLC) and headquartered in the UK, and The Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation, which is a bank registered and headquartered in Hong Kong. The HK bank notes are issued by the bank in Hong Kong (that is HSBC's subsidiary), not by HSBC, the holding company. The bank is undisputably a Hong Kong company, but the holding company isn't, which those wanting to present HSBC, the holding company, as a "British Hong Kong" company probably don't realise... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 12:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I realize all that, but the article is also about the group that is consolidated into the holding company's accounts. Look at the second para: "HSBC has around 4,000 offices in 70 countries and territories across Africa, Asia, Oceania, Europe, North America and South America, and around 37 million customers". Do you think this sentence should be deleted?! HSBC Holdings plc doesn't have any customers and only has two or three offices in two territories. Should we delete the whole controversies section? It's all about banking, and HSBC Holdings plc doesn't do any banking, it just holds shares! But we rightly attribute the assets and liabilities, the acts and omissions of the subsidiaries to the group. I agree with you on the legal technicalities, but we're an encyclopedia, not a corporate directory, so we can see that there's more going on. Matt's talk 12:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
@M.R.Forrester: Take the detailed discussion to the talk page of the article, where everyone there can weigh in, since it's not just you and me deciding this... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:12, 17 August 2017 (UTC)