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For your help with April 21, 2005 Stubsensor cleanup project you are hereby given the Stubsensor award.
I hereby award you the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your heroic efforts in repairing and repelling the Willy on Wheels vandal — Bratschetalk 5 pillars (KC)
This PSY is awarded for being polite, courteous, and extremely helpful to myself and other users, and as such bieng a blessing for good mental health. Awarded by PhatePunk 22:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
For your excellent contributions to Wikipedia - it is those little things that make all the difference :-) --HappyCamper 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I am giving you this banner star for all of your work at WP:RFD - Tideflat (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to Thryduulf for all the work put into contributing at Redirects for Discussion and maintaining the navigational parts of the project. Quiet background work that very few see, yet it has a great effect on the projects readers! Thanks for your work in the area, Taelus (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to you, Thryduulf, for closing nearly an entire page of discussions, but more importantly, for all of the other thankless jobs that you do. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to echo these thanks, as I think we are some of the only admins who set foot in RfD these days :P. Thanks for helping with the backlog, all the best. --Taelus (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for helping me with an article (I'm a beginner.) I have no idea what I'm doing but you helped to keep my article up after it was deleted. You also checked back up on it when the references were deleted, I just checked and saw you even helped me on listing them too, I wasn't sure how to do that either. Anyway, thank you. :] Ohthegunsofbrixton (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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For exhibiting rational judgement on a certain list which caused considerable overreaction and worse case scenario concerns. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your (re)-explanation of why it [the Selby Wall redirect] was pointing where it was and why it should point to where it's now pointing Tonywalton Talk 00:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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I hereby award User:Thryduulf this shiny Redirect Barnstar for their excellent work at WP:RFD. Lenticel (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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For your unfailing patience and kindness dealing with VisualEditor related problems and the users struggling with them :). (also for the fantastic car analogy). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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I appreciate I already gave you a barnstar for it, but I've just looked at the feedback page for the first time since stepping off my flight, and wow: you deserve another one :). Thanks for all you've done for the VE project thus far. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For sterling work above and beyond the call of duty at WP:VE/F. You're always there, logging defects, updating replies and always with politeness and calm. NtheP (talk) 09:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for quality pictures uploaded, for nominating to the news, for taking care of redirects and projects, for helpful proposals and thinking of options ("I can think of at least two options"), - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Yay! You're here at the [Wikimedia UK] office! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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Survey King!
You put absolutely hours of work into [the WMUK Members' Survey] and I am so so grateful! Really looking forward to finding out what worked and what didn't and making the results useful to the chapter! Thank you so much! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 12:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Arbitration Committee cases are inherently complicated matters. That your analysis of the case resulted in a suggestion widely accepted by participants and arbitrators alike, demonstrates it to be a brilliant idea. Congratulations! MarshalN20 | Talk 14:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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...Here's a barnstar. Consider this a token of my appreciation, on behalf of the project as a whole, for your contributions to this RfC, and for summarising a horribly complicated discussion into something that people could understand (and which slightly lessened my headache in closing it!). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the MASSIVE amount of work and time you put into the 2013 Membership Survey. It's really excellent and I hope its something [WMUK] builds on :-) Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for all your hard work on Wikipedia Takes UCL last week. It was an event from which we've taken many lessons and I believe that a good number of people had a very positive experience from it thanks to you and the team you managed to coordinate. Here's to the next one! ToniSant (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Chris, I'm indebted to you for your help at the Marjon event. Gil asked me to pass on her thanks in particular for your "excellent and clear explanations of the technical aspects of copyright". Next time I'm looking for helpers for an event, you'll be top of my list. Thanks again, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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For your extra effort in providing photos for an article that another Wikipedian is working on. Exemplary teamwork! Face-smile.svg w.carter-Talk 17:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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I've got to say, I've seen your comments about the place and you seem one of the more "rational observers" (if you'll pardon the pun) on the site. I think you have a good head on your shoulders. I wish others were like you! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Your diligent work in the area of redirect categorization and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! For your well-thought, detailed, and infuriatingly reasonable close here. Well done once again. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Congratulations making WP:EFH legit. JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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For your excellent work on Sean Hughes' biography. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Contents

WP:PROF[edit]

Look at proposed rewrite. Awkward42 (talk) [the alternate account of Thryduulf (talk)] 15:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft of WP:Prof[edit]

As discussed, possible redraft of WP:Prof worth looking at. Battleofalma (talk) 15:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I want to nominate some more Eubot redirects for deletion, but it would be too much work[edit]

All pages beginning with "Guee" and about half beginning with "Guei" should be deleted; güe and güi in Spanish indicate that the u is pronounced. You might want to check some similar spellings (such as those beginning with "Aguee", of which there are 2). I don't have any scripts installed, so it would take a while to do it myself. HotdogPi 23:06, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't have any scripts either, so you're asking the wrong person if you want help in that regard. Before you nominate the redirects though, check that they don't actually get used in the real world (I know that in at least one language (maybe Turkish or Hungarian?) we discovered that despite being wrong, ü → ue or similar is actually commonly used in certain situations). Also check that you've not accidentally included something that matches the pattern but is actually a completely unrelated creation. Once you've generated a list, verified there aren't any false matches and done the research about them then if you still think they should be deleted, asking for assistance from an AWB user is probably the easiest. Thryduulf (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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Duplicate anchors not allowed[edit]

You do realise that this edit is redundant? The anchor already exists, it's autogenerated by the section heading. If you look at the emitted HTML, in between the <h2>...</h2> tags, you will find

<span class="mw-headline" id="Incidents_and_accidents"><span id="Incidents_and_accidents"></span>Incidents and accidents</span>

where the attribute id="Incidents_and_accidents" occurs twice, which is forbidden by the HTML spec. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

  • So what is the correct way to preemptively ensure that links aren't broken if the section header changes? That's what I understood the point of the anchor template was? Thryduulf (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Template:Anchor#Limitations warns against it, and I've not come across pre-emptive anchors before. MOS:HEADINGS shows uses of anchors within headings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Your help desk question[edit]

You did not get a response to this question but maybe WP:VPT would be the place to ask. I'm going to play around with it but I don't know anything about timelines.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

What I tried didn't work. I'm on a different computer.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 13:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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AE log[edit]

Hey Thryduulf. On mobile right now so can't fix it myself, but did you log this AE sanction on the AELOG? Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 09:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the ping. I think you forgot your signature on the log page. Sandstein 14:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    • That I did do. Now fixed. Thryduulf (talk) 14:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
      • But, come to think of it: There don't seem to be any remedies in the Christianity and Sexuality case that authorize this restriction on Slugger O'Toole. It would need to be a discretionary sanction, probably under the gender issues case, and therefore logged at AELOG. And I haven't checked whether the awareness requirements for a discretionary sanctions are met in this case. Sandstein 14:39, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
        • @Sandstein: Hmm. I haven't got time now to investigate or do anything about this (and likely wont until tomorrow), but if it is just as simple as moving it from Christianity and Sexuality to another case that does have discretionary sanctions then you have my full permission to just do that. Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019[edit]

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re this, I'm guessing you know it was my attempt at humor; but given that it's been many moons since we chatted, I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was finding fault. And yes, I fully agree with the "verbose" part. I doubt ANY arb would enjoy reading those walls of text. But hey - if it holds off til January, maybe you'll be back on the committee. It is a chore that you were pretty good at. — Ched (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't sure about the humour and I was fighting a broken keyboard so not in the best place to pick up on subtelties! I've not made a decision yet about whether I'll stand this year, but if I do I'll be recused from the portals mess as I was moderately involved a few months ago until I allowed myself to get bullied out of it. Thryduulf (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Ahh .. well I didn't realize you'd tried to find a way forward a few months ago. Sorry about the keyboard (and I guess my poor attempt at humor) - hopefully you'll be able to pick up a new one soon. I can't imagine anything but supporting you if you do decide to run. Good to see you again Thryduulf. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Unblock of Ritchie[edit]

Hello Thryduulf, I wanted to emphasize my concern about there not being a full community discussion to regarding Ritchie333's AE block before you unblocked. While I believe the block should stand, I can accept community consensus to unblock, but that has definitely not taken place yet. There had only been ~3.5 hours of discussion before you unblocked which is an absurdly short period of time to establish any sort of consensus. In addition to several opposes in the discussion, there was certainly substantial opposition to an unblock on Ritchie's talk page. I would not call the discussion that has occurred so far "consensus to unblock". Forgive me for being confrontational, but I really do find this action very disturbing. I would ask that you please self-revert and allow the discussion to play out at AN per WP:AEBLOCK. Thank you for your time and best wishes to you. Waggie (talk) 03:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@Waggie: The opposition that I saw was primarily to overturning the block, not opposition to unblocking - a point I made clear in my summary. While it was a short discussion at AN (which was the appeal location) there was a clear consensus and that consensus has only grown stronger since the unblock. Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Waggie, I happen to agree with Thryduulf on this and I think it's worth mentioning: Not only was there ~3.5% hours of discussion on WP:AN, but there was also broad consensus across multiple other pages which had been going on for 2-3 days. examples: Ritchie's talk, PMC's talk, etc. Just my 2-cents. Apologies for butting in Thryduulf, but I thought it was a point worth mentioning. (and TY for your efforts in this matter) — Ched (talk) 10:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
A good close Thryduulf, well done. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Ched at which (as I mentioned in my initial post here), there was considerable opposition to unblocking - from the blocking administrator and from other parties. So, if we're taking into account the other discussions, then there was certainly not consensus for such a rapid unblock once the appeal was heard at AN. Best wishes. Waggie (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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@Waggie: we argued already for days, - 3.5 hours was only that particular venue. A block that takes away the article editing time of not only the blocked, but also of the commenters, is not a good block, Yunshui said that well. - @Thryduulf: thanks from project quality article improvement, aka the cabal of the outcast ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It's also worth noting that you can't get a feel for the AN discussion just from reading the bold words as there is no correlation between the word chosen to be bolded and the opinion expressed in the comment. For example those in favour Richie333 being unblocked have used all of "endorse", "support" and "oppose" while those same words have been used by those with different opinions. It's especially confusing as at least one person bolded a single word in a comment supporting both the block and the appeal. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
I did read the whole discussion, please do not assume that I did not or that I am "confused" - frankly it's a bit condescending for you to suggest so. I do not feel that enough discussion or consensus was built to meet the burden of "... the clear and substantial consensus of [...] uninvolved editors at AN..." per WP:AEBLOCK when you unblocked. I agree that it is currently leaning more towards support for unblock now that earlier, but I still must very strongly disagree with your decision to unblock so early in the discussion. Despite there being prior discussion elsewhere, AN is a different forum and has a different audience. I'm sorry that you aren't willing to hear or understand my concerns in this regard. Note that it took you 6.5 hours (far more than the 3.5 hours you allowed for discussion) to respond to my concerns here even when you were pinged and had only just made the unblock less than an hour prior, how is a concerned editor supposed to have time to voice their concerns at a venue which they may not be pinged to in such a short period of time? I was even active on Wikipedia during this discussion period and didn't even realize a discussion was taking place until after you unblocked. As an administrator, you are most certainly aware that building a clear community consensus takes time, even if a discussion seems to swing far to one end of the pendulum at the start. If you will not reconsider your decision, then that is most unfortunate especially. Best wishes, and thank you for your time. Waggie (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
I think anyone can read the consensus there is that the block should have been undone. Moreover the consensus is growing that the block was a bad one in the first instance and that the Arb was too involved. I think if you're keen to keep the spotlight on the poor behaviour of the blocker then that's just fine, we do need to examine that. We probably also need to examine the real meaning of IBANs now, as it's pretty clear the community aren't in agreement with the interpretation made by some of the Arbs. Otherwise, I think it's best to just move on in the understanding that Thryduulf interpreted the consensus correctly. More than 12 hours later and nothing has changed, except perhaps the strength of feeling against the block has increased. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: This is not the place to discuss ibans in general, but in most cases they unambiguously work and we need to be careful not to throw them out when working out how to deal with the ones that don't and to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of everybody here should be to take the course of action that most benefits the encyclopaedia. Thryduulf (talk) 16:04, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
At no point did I say we should throw them out. This specific case has highlighted what looks like a bureaucratic loophole which, if left, may completely disrupt the purpose of IBAN. If we are now classing subsequent edits to the same article as "harassment" and infringement of an IBAN, we should make that plain as it will affect many individuals. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Waggie: Please do not mistake my disagreeing with your arguments for not listening or not understanding. I read the entire discussion at AN, took into consideration the extensive discussion elsewhere as background and concluded that there was a clear and substantial consensus to unblock. I am always willing to reconsider my decisions - and when I woke up this morning and read all the messages that had been left after I went to bed I did exactly that. That I came to the same conclusion as I did the night before does not indicate a lack of willingness to reconsider, to listen or a lack of understanding of the points made by those disagreeing. It just means that you were not and are not on the side of consensus - it happens to all of us. Thryduulf (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Forgive me if I don't feel that you addressed my concern about the timespan of the discussion before you unblocked, but I do apologize for assuming that you were not listening or understanding, that was rude of me and comes from frustration regarding your (to my view) hasty actions. However, there's nothing constructive to be gained for anyone by arguing further. Best wishes and I hope that we can interact more agreeably in future. Waggie (talk) 16:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Discussions on individual talk pages have a limited audience, and particularly on a blocked editor's talk page, there's a reticence to add more supporting voices in favour of a block, as people know it's not the designated venue for an appeal to the community and do not wish to pile-on negative criticism. It's a moot point now for this situation, but for future, as per standard practice at the administrator's noticeboard, it would be helpful to allow at least 24 hours for editors around the world to take notice and have the chance to weigh in. isaacl (talk) 16:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Obviously it didn't get to you that it was a block not justified by the action, rather objectively. Bad enough that a user had to suffer that for so long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Allowing for editors around the world to object (or not object) to the block would make it clear that the follow up action had support from the global Wikipedia community. For better or worse, the whole community likes to know their opinions will be considered. isaacl (talk) 17:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
In normal circumstances, yes I'd have left it for longer at AN, but editors from all over the world had been expressing their opinion in multiple locations for multiple days prior to the AN thread. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Thryduulf, thank you for posting this RD. I feel a little awkward asking this, but if you have a moment, would you be so kind as to click on 'give credit' for it? This is only the third RD I have contributed to, and the first I have nominated myself, so I am a bit excited about it! I expect that I'd feel differently about the 10th or 20th, but I would appreciate having this on my talk page :-) Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I never think to do that (I don't care about those messages so I forget others do). Thryduulf (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi! I'd like you to update your comment to reflect my pronouns here, which are she/her. That change is not very civil. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

How on earth is referring to someone using gender neutral pronouns misgendering!? Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! Just saw this. To answer your question above, here's how your conduct looks to me:
  • 1. you quoted text that correctly gendered me
  • 2. then used a mix of pronouns in your own writing, some of which matched the quoted text
  • 3. then switched all of yours so they did not match the quoted text "for consistency." 
Then when I asked you to change it to reflect the pronouns on my own page, in every article that covers me, and in the quote you used:
  • 4. you used strikethrough and commented on it rather than simply making the change without strikethrough as you had done at step 3. 
To me, that seems to fall somewhere between malicious compliance and microagression. It's the kind of thing that has a cumulative effect when trying to collaborate as a minority on Wikipedia.
I hope you take my answer as an opportunity to reflect on why you made those choices. Here's a nice set of guidelines: [4]
And thanks for pointing me to the banning policy. I had never read it! That is quite a document.
Finally, I want to apologize if I have caused you to have negative emotions. I know some people don't like my conduct or contributions, but I still believe in the promise of this project. I have tried a number of ways to make the community more open and accepting of diversity through changes large and small, and that sometimes leads to tension. It is not personal, though! Jokestress (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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I like your box on barnstars, above on this page. could you please tell me how one would set that up? I really appreciate any help. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sm8900: it's just badly hacked together tables. Take a look at User:Thryduulf/boxen (which is where it is transcluded from) and take a look at the code, copying what you need. If it isn't working as it should then someone at the WP:Help desk is more likely to be able to provide useful assistance than I can (and likely get it working better than mine is!). Thryduulf (talk) 16:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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No trout now, how come?[edit]

Hi Thryduulf,

Before I venture too far off-topic at DRV, can you clarify why a trout would not be appropriate now post-close when you'd previously suggested re-opening and trouting the deleting admin? Is it because the severity of the deletion has gone beyond mere humourous admonishment by trouting?

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A trout is an informal and humorous, minor admonishment for someone who has done something wrong when they should and it should be obvious to all parties why. It is not something that should ever be served cold, nor when there are multiple good faith opinions that the action taken wasn't wrong. Generally it is best applied when the person on the receiving end feels they deserved it now they have the benefit of hindsight, or if they still it was wrong but are clearly acknowledging the consensus that it was wrong and indicating they accept that consensus and wont do it again. Where someone digs their heels in and maintains they were right, not accepting the consensus, then it's not a trouting matter - it's not a situation where humour is the right approach. Thryduulf (talk) 17:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hey there. I recently noticed and commented here (you may remember working on the images for that memorial). I noticed that HJ still isn't around. I know you may be in touch with him. Do you have any news, or should I email him if that would be appropriate? I know what it can be like to be away for a long time, and it can be for various reasons, so I thought I'd check with you first. Carcharoth (talk) 13:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: HJ is alive and well, just busy with his offline life. Emailing him will not be a problem if you want to get back in touch. 13:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, that is good to know. (PS. You didn't sign properly so no ping got sent.) Carcharoth (talk) 13:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Gah, too many tildes! I've pinged HJ on Facebook as well so with any luck he'll pop in again when he can. Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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@Bishonen: See the #AE log section above. This is logged on the case page per Sandstein's precedent. I'm also curious why you felt this needed to be addressed by email rather than on my talk page message. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Oh. I thought all arb enforcement sanctions went in the central Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2019 now, where it says in bold at the top "This is the central log for all sanctions issued to enforce an arbitration decision or as a discretionary sanction." I see that's not the case. Pity — it would certainly be easier to find. And the template you posted on the user's page does say the sanction has been logged in the central log: "This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions", with the link piped to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/Log/2019, which redirects to Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2019. As to why I e-mailed you, that was my unfortunate Bishzilla-type tact: I thought you might have forgotten to log it, and didn't want to say so in public. I was remembering how little I liked getting this reminder, for my own part, though I hope I wouldn't in any case have been quite so rude. Bishonen | talk 21:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC).
(talk page stalker) Forgive me for sticking my nose in here, but one of the things the clerks are supposed to be doing is moving the enforcement actions from individual case pages to the central enforcement log. I just saw this thread and thought maybe I could do that. However, discretionary sanctions doesn't appear to have been authorized in this case, and there were no remedies that applied to this editor (nor were they a party), so I'm questioning the validity of this sanction. Is there a different DS topic area that this should be logged under instead? Or is this a regular administrative action? – bradv🍁 21:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Bumping this in case you missed it. Thanks! – bradv🍁 04:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, yeah, I'm still thinking about what the best way forward is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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