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Lede too short on Honda Super Cub[edit]

Hi there, I saw the note you left at Honda Super Cub. Since the article has already passed a GA review, I wonder if you could come to the article's talk page with your suggestions. Brianhe (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The GAR completely missed that the lead is far too short. It should cover all salient points in the article. Four sentences is plainly inadequate. I'm not sure that there's discussion required here other than doing the required work. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Template merger backlog[edit]

We have a significant backlog at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Can you help out, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Testcases side by side[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Testcases side by side has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 08:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC) [1ofmine[edit]

There are enough diffs that show patterns of both less than exemplary admin behaviour and poor judgement in the use of admin tools to warrant investigation. As an point: Admins should not use their tools to threaten editors they are and have been highly involved with as James did here. [71]. Further, James did not redact his statement until he was threatened with a desysop proceedings. Is that poor judgement or a blatant misuse of admin power to threaten and harass.gen,IVOLDBLOK-aftredit warin2me-pl.luk i/2it..[icontacted BASCalredy220.136.230.208 (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)'_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=665430825ene PRAPSUKANSAYSTH.MORSENSIKL-SV — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I think this is the diff the blocked sock meant [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Removal of {{lead too short}}[edit]


Regarding this edit, please read WP:LEAD. The lead section of an article should serve as an adequate summary of all its key points; it is not supposed to be a bare-bones introduction. The current lead is only three sentences long, and thus should be expanded. The tag is there to remind people of that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:13, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, please read WP:LEAD. You imply that 3 sentences is too short for a lead but nowhere in WP:LEAD does it say that 3 sentences is too short. It implies that that two sentences may be too short, that is all. The existing three sentence lead happens to summarise all the key points and there is no need for it to be expanded. There is therefore no need to place the tag at the head of the article. Graemp (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC) 12:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
That's not right, but you're obviously not for convincing. I'll rewrite the lead in due course. Thanks for starting the article. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Any editor confident enough in the subject matter is welcome to edit any article I have created. I think it is better for editors to think in these terms rather than arbitrarily slapping a tag on an article like here:George Brown, Baron George-Brown and then declining to assist as in here: Honda Super Cub. If you are looking to put the lead tag on an article, might I suggest you try here: List of pizza varieties by country Graemp (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Proper leads are time-consuming to write. I do get around them eventually, though this is made easier if articles aren't summarily de-tagged. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit to Nginx[edit]

You removed the {{use dmy}} when you made your recent edit. Not sure why. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I see. You incorrectly moved it to the bottom. I restored it to the top. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
That advice is nonsense - the tag is solely for the purpose of bots, and putting it at the top results in regular whitespace issues. I've always moved these and will continue to do so. If you've any suggestions as to why the documentation makes such a silly suggestion in the first place I'm all ears: otherwise I'll likely change the documentation as well. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
The tag is also for humans like me and other editors who maintain the tags. I have no idea why the documentation states it should be at the top, but @Ohconfucius:'s scripts put it at the top. Perhaps he has an idea, and, of course, you should probably discuss before changing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
The {{use dmy dates}} tag is placed at the top of articles because some editors felt that it was useful to human editors to quickly know that an article is in dmy format – it is immediately seen in edit mode. Originally, I scripted its insertion for the sake of convenience. Personally, this location matters little to me or the script, but the utility of the placement was confirmed after due discussion on the template talk page. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 06:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
My impression was that such things should be handled by actual edit notices these days, though obviously these tags predate the introduction of that system. Obviously that would be a way forward. For now, it's plainly not of that much concern where they go, but there's a clear stated reason not for having them at the top, and so summarily reverting such edits probably isn't productive. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Walter, did you really just move this again? Consider whether this is a valuable use of your time. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:LaTeX[edit]

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mako mermaids[edit]

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Nomination of Michele DeCesare for deletion[edit]

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Template Merger Notification[edit]

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox SMS station[edit]

Template:Infobox SMS station has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox Station. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Nima Farid (talk) 17:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

History sometimes does repeat itself, sort of.[edit]

Hello. Do you remember this? If so, this nomination at MfD might merit a look. Or not. Etamni | ✉   08:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

PL.check edgar181[edit]

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In your counterpart examples, the answer cannot be trivially (and usually correctly) inferred from the page. In the vast, vast majority of cases, this is fixing something which isn't broken. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Huh? --Izno (talk) 02:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I think I missed your point at the time. I'd argue though that this very much is being used as an "error" category right now, seeing as people are fighting to use its existence to mandate that editors explicitly include the category parameter. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:38, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree it's being used as an error category right now, but with Wikidata it probably shouldn't be. Either pages should only sort into the category after checking for existence of a Wikidata link (either proper IW or a commons category link) or it should be used as a container/"all pages of this sort" category. --Izno (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm hoping so in the long run. Anyway, sorry for misinterpreting you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


Hey Thumperward, I was just wondering if you are able to take a quick request for me, if possible? I've noticed that in the past you have created kit templates for football clubs. I was just wondering if you found a bit of spare time, if you could possibly create the kits for the finalists of the 2014 FFA Cup. Currently they are just default colours and look a little bland. The teams' kits are able to be seen well here and here. If you could help, that would make me exceptionally grateful! Thanks!
EDIT - I found these, if they help? [2] and [3] - J man708 (talk) 15:16, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Our guidelines actually discourage too much detail on these designs: we inevitably end up with people adding painstaking detail to their favourite club shirts, but from the look of those kits the only other detail we really need is the black shoulder detail on the Perth Glory shirt. Alas I don't actually create these images (I just cleaned a whole load of them up back in the day): you'd probably be best asking on WT:FOOTY if anyone can help with that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Ah, cheers! I'll ask on there later on. Thanks! - J man708 (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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NT LAN Manager[edit]

About NTLM, is it better now? I tried to improve the external links, cleanup the article and improve its structure. Let me know if there are still issues to be resolved. EricWillem23 (talk 18:37, 2 November 2015‎

Thanks for the work! My primary concern is that it's a bit too technical (which isn't easy to fix) and that it has lots of inappropriate external links (easier to fix). I'll see if I can resolve this myself, but please do continue to work on it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Mmm, too technical. It's an authentication mechanism, a network protocol. It won't get vanilla English, nor would say Binomial_distribution ever be 'readible' for most people unless you remove the meat and bones from the page. Maybe the problem is there are several different things cramped into one page (SSP, protocols, Kerberos)? Anything concrete that you'd like to see simplified or moved somewhere else? EricWillem23 (talk) 01:22, 5 November 2015‎

Mmm, too technical. It's an authentication mechanism, a network protocol. It won't get vanilla EnglishPOORXKUS!, nor would say Binomial_distribution ever be 'readible' for most people unless you remove the meat and bones from the page.LAZINES+CONDESENDIN Maybe the problem is there are several different things cramped into one page (SSP, protocols, Kerberos)? Anything concrete that you'd like to see simplified or moved somewhere else? EricWillem23 (talk) 01:22, 5 November 2015‎BLOKINDISABLD=GUDTHO! (talk) 07:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)



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Seeking opinions[edit]

Hi. I'm seeking opinions regarding the notability of certain structures, most notably those that transclude {{Infobox hut}} and would appreciate your opinion, if you have some time. There is also an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fritz Pflaum Hut at which your opinion would be appreciated. Regards. --AussieLegend () 08:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

At the time of the Infobox Australian Hut TfD, my opinion was that the transclusions were mostly just geocruft anyway. While I can't be sure that applies for this specific AfD, it looks likely. But good luck convincing people when the prevalent opinion has for years been that any hole in the ground that has its name on a map somewhere is worthy of an article. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Dry lightning[edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing—Dry lightning —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Pierre cb (talk) 05:08, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas[edit]

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Wishing you a merry Christmas and a happy new year...

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Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox fictional creature[edit]

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A kitten for you![edit]

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Proposed deletion of Polytetrafluoroethylene (data page)[edit]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BootCD[edit]

Hi. An AFD that I started, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BootCD, needs more participant. If it isn't much trouble, would you mind taking a look. Thanks! Fleet Command (talk) 01:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Thx. Fleet Command (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Dokan on Filesystem in Userspace page[edit]

I don't get your point on Filesystem in Userspace page... You recently removed Dokan from the list (twice, I first thought it was a mistake) whereas it was here for a long time (years ; I only updated with new project url as I'm one of the current maintainer but initial edit was far before I got involved), and the only open source solution on Windows, but you're keeping commercial ones... Could you explain your reason here? Thanks. Maxhy (talk) 05:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't have its own article, and it was referenced only to a primary source (its own project page). Wikipedia isn't a repository for software links. I've removed the ones I missed (which wasn't deliberate) now in accordance with that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:12, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Template formatting suggestions?[edit]

Hello Chris,

I am new to template creation and was given your name as someone who might be a resource for helping format the Template:Infobox_gene. AndrewSu mentioned that you were very helpful in the initial development of the gene infobox. I have a few quirky formatting issues that I was hoping you could help me with. On my talk page User_talk:Julialturner you can see the newest version of the Template:Infobox_gene. If you look at the first gene "RELIN" you will notice under the "Genetically Related Diseases" section the references (ie [1] [2]) align to the center instead of the top like the name of the disease. This has something to do with the fact that it can be a collapsible list in this section. You can see it happening again in the "Orthologs" section ("5649" and "19699" are centered). The other issue can be seen in the "endothelin receptor type B" gene box under the "Orthologs">"RefSeq (mRNA)" those ids that are displayed are bolded and it would be nice if they weren't. If you have suggestions how to fix these or where to look I would greatly appreciate the help. Thanks Julialturner (talk) 22:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I'm not up-to-date on the use of the new Lua-style templates (the ones which use Invoke:) - I'm not sure how much use I'll be in tracking down the issue. If I do find a solution to the problems you've raised I'll let you know however. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question[edit]

AFC-Logo.svg Hello, Thumperward! I'm St170e. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk st170etalk 10:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC) st170etalk 10:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


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July 2016[edit]

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Continuous integration. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Continuous integration, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Snippy edit summaries are not a valid rationale for a revert and never have been. I'd get a refund on whatever book you got that idea from. And DTTR, thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:10, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Have I somehow offended you?[edit]

I'm curious why a routine edit was met with this level of hostility. Sorry if I've offended you in the past, but don't hold grudges, you'll live longer. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I told you three years ago that I'd be making this sort of edit routinely; see also the same discussion from June 2015, up-page. Ultimately this won't get resolved until we figure out some way to get engvar properly moved to metadata rather than in-band, but until then I don't expect to be summarily reverted over something so trivial as a bot-only tag that I still don't think should be anywhere near the edit window. And passive-aggressive little tips like that aren't helping. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)