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Hi Tim. Do you have a source for Hugo Rignold preceding John Pritchard at the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra? If so, please could you add this to the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra and Hugo Rignold pages? Thanks! Grover cleveland 06:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Mr Cleveland. Source: Biography of Pritchard quoted on page, and also Charles Reid's 'Malcolm Sargent' biography (Hamish Hamilton, 1968), plus copy of RLPO programme from Rignold era in possession of family. Suggested changes made. I am obliged for the tip. Is this reply in the right place, incidentally? Grateful for guidance. TR.Tim riley 16:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tim,

Thanks very much for your reply. It is usual to reply to questions on the same page where they were asked, and to indent a reply relative to the original question and to put it beneath it, which you can do with an extra colon at the beginning of the paragraph Grover cleveland 00:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Like this Grover cleveland 00:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


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Thank you for the comment, it's much appreciated. I intend to expand the biography of Panufnik somewhat over the next few months as well as discuss his music, since I think he is without doubt a major figure in 20th century music. Best regards, RobertGtalk 08:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Classical music[edit]

Hi, Tim. You're doing a grand job. Deb 11:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


I'd be glad to help as best I can. Take a look at what I did with the categories in Gwynn Parry Jones (I'm hoping this was one of the articles you were referring to). I removed the Opera in the United Kingdom category because it seems to be for opera houses and festivals but not performers. You were headed in the right direction with Classical Music in the United Kingdom, but it's best to put the article into a subcategory if one applies, in this case, Welsh opera singers is a subcat. of British opera singers, which is a subcat. of British classical musicians, which is a subcat. of Classical music in the United Kingdom. You can also take a look at Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Categorization of people. I hope this helps, and if you have any other questions or need clarification, feel free to ask. --Violncello 17:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

London Opera Centre[edit]

Thanks for those updates. I wrote the original article with relatively little info to work from.Vivaverdi 18:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Bridget's middle name[edit]

Thanks for the correction to Bridget D'Oyly Carte. I removed the footnote in the topic sentence, as I thought it looked a bit unsightly. Articles obviously should be corrected when they wrong, but I didn't see the need to so conspicuously footnote the formerly erroneous version. Marc Shepherd 13:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Moving articles[edit]

Hi. I fixed your copy-and-paste move of Rupert D’Oyly Carte. Please use the "move" feature, accessed through the "move" tab at top, to move pages. Copy-and-paste moves destroy the edit histories of pages and violate the GFDL. Please see Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page for more information. --Slowking Man 07:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Tim. I just put up a *horrible* page on Sydney Grundy, but we desperately needed something. Can you try to improve it some? I'm desperately busy today, but embarassed to leave it like that. --Ssilvers 20:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Overture di Ballo[edit]

Moved things around a bit here, but had to guess at how to credit you. You seem to have done most of the work, but it looks largely finished to me, so it was hard to judge how to credit it. Anyway! I babble a bit! Just thought I should mention. Adam Cuerden 16:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Marc removed it from the "To Do" list of the project, judging that is finished, or good enough for now. Good job, everyone (pats self on back, too). --Ssilvers 23:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Tim. Thanks for all the great corrections to the G&S performers (see Category:Gilbert and Sullivan performers). If you go to WP:G&S, you'll see a "to do" list of tasks that still need doing (if you have time to help!) Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice job on The Tempest. A very good addition to the Sullivan pieces. I did some copy edits and added the project tag to the talk page, as well as the G&S Archive links. If you disagree with anything I did, feel free to change it. Note that Paul Horwath says that there were two concerts in Manchester in January (not April) 1864, so I just said "early" 1864. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 22:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. You supplied all the key information. I just massaged it around a little and referenced a few easy-to-find items. In any case, it is a pleasure to collaborate with you, and I hope you continue to work on the WP:G&S project! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The Foresters[edit]

If you have a poke around on the G&S archive, you'll be no doubt pleased to see that the version that got performed was heavily edited into a much better play. Adam Cuerden talk 00:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's face it, there's only so much it *can* be improved, isn't there? Actually just got the CD of it today, as it happens. Anyway, I'll have a poke at it, but my father's coming by for Christmas (arriving tomorrow), so I may be a while. Adam Cuerden talk 16:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job, again, Tim. I did some copy edits and added a list of roles and some links to the archive and discography. Shepherd and some others at the discography disagree with Young, et al. and conclude that Sullivan's contribution was of high quality, as demonstrated by the Hyperion recording, so I added a sentence. I look forward to seeing more of your excellent contributions. Any interest in writing up "The Window"? I have heard this song cycle live, and it is excellent. -- Ssilvers 17:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Rock Trial[edit]

This article has been proposed for deletion. You can vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rock Trial. I believe that this is not notable. -- Ssilvers 23:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

New AfDs[edit]

Please vote at the AfDs for:


I did some copy edits on your Manns article. Feel free to revert anything you don't agree with. Hope this was helpful. Regards, -- Ssilvers 17:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Boyd Neel[edit]

I had never heard of Neel before. What a wonderful addition to Wikipedia. I found a lot of bios for him on the web and took the liberty of adding them. I'll try to add some more info from them at the bottom under references and links. -- Ssilvers 20:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added what I thought was the most notable stuff from the other references. Please give it another look when you have a moment. Maybe you could put in a sentence or two about what his "most famous" recordings were. Great work! -- Ssilvers 21:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you know how to put the photo in the article (I reference it at the bottom, but I don't know how to upload images to WP and give the proper copyright info). If we did that, I bet we could get this quickl little piece of work designated a "Good Article". If you don't know, maybe you could get Adam Cuerden to help? -- Ssilvers 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


Some editors made recent spelling changes to the G&S article. It should use UK spellings, but I think they may have changed some spellings to US spellings. Since I am from the US, it is hard for me to be sure. Can you check the edit history for the last few edits? Thanks! -- Ssilvers 21:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Ssilvers 19:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


The section called "as accompanist" is partly about his accompanying, but seems to be mostly about his *conducting* of concertos. If that's right, perhaps it should be clarified? Thanks for all your fine work on the article, btw. I think it's in pretty good shape now! -- Ssilvers 21:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the article on David Webster and, I assume, John Tooley[edit]

I'd been meaning to write these for ages... Thanks for the start. I've added a few edits and additions to help. Viva-Verdi 02:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, when I checked, I realized that I was wrong in thinking I saw a blue entry for Tooley rather than a red one in the ROH's Gen Director's box. I have his biog. as well as the Lebrecht book which I cited, so I'll plan on putting something together.
And, as you say, it does peter out in the 1960s, a period when I saw most of the great productions there, including the Callas/Gobbi Toscas of 1964 and 1965. So, a little more fleshing out is in order, and I'll work on it. Viva-Verdi 15:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Rudolf versus Rudolph[edit]

Thanks for your note on this. I'd never noticed the differences... I did make some changes, assuming the the NYT is the authority.....

However, the Rudolf Bing page already exists and takes you straight to Rudolph Bing, so the main page title cannot be changed without appeal to moderators, etc.

Anytime you make a change, you can go to "Move", but it requires you to insert a reason. This time, someone has already done it and created an automatic re-direct. Viva-Verdi 01:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I fixed it. -- Ssilvers 18:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Adding a picture[edit]

Forgive me, I've been ill again. You didn't say which article, on here or off here, so I'll say both ways.

To add a picture to an article off here, upload it to whatever your webhost is (it's considered very rude to link to someone else's site in a way that displays the picture, as it uses their bandwidth) and use <img src=""> - altering as needed, of course.

For here, add [[Image:ProposedNameOfImage.Ext|thumb|caption]] (where ext is the extention, e.g. gif, jpg, png) to the article where you want it, then save the page. Click on the link that appears, and follow the steps to put in the image. Adam Cuerden talk 21:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

See the note that I added to Adam's page. -- Ssilvers 18:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Bridget D'Oyly Carte[edit]

I put in the Bridget quote that you found. -- Ssilvers 18:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Tim. See the Sullivan talk page re: d'Albert. Do you have any info? -- Ssilvers 05:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Harry Norris (conductor) is good, I think. -- Ssilvers 19:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Sold. Pray work your editorial magic. And perhaps a notice at the top of the Australian architect's page? - Tim riley 21:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Will do. BTW, thanks for your excellent edits on the G&S articles. I have never dug into the Patience synopsis, but it is too short and, basically, not very good. Care to give it a minor expansion job? Maybe just a little more detail, such as you added today? On another topic, I just put a band-aid on a conductor stub called Alberto Randegger. Do you know anything about him? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Sure, Nash would be a great addition. You are rapidly filling in the WP coverage of DOC conductors! -- Ssilvers 04:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The Princess (play)[edit]

Please take a look at this new article when you have a moment. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 06:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the second pair of eyes! Any interest in doing an article on the Olympic Theatre? Many of the Victorian drama articles refer to it. Apparently there was more than one theatre named Olymic at different times, so it may be a bit of a research job! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 18:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


Great job!! Go ahead and standardise Prince's at your leisure. Good catch. As to Cryptoconchoidsyphonostomata, there is an article for it (yours was missing an "o"), but with different authors. I would have said that perhaps it is a burlesque of the one you mentioned, but this one played earlier in 1875 with Trial by Jury, so it is hard to belive that there were two different plays of the same name produced in London within several months. Any thoughts? -- Ssilvers 13:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Globe Theatre[edit]

Feel like doing another super article on the Globe theatre (not Shakespeare's the Victorian one)? It hosted a number of famous works in its short life, and also an 1874 Gilbert farce called Committed For Trial (translated from Le Reveillon by Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy). See these references for a start.[1] and [2] and [3] (you'll also need to update Globe Theatre (disambiguation)). Just a few weeks ago, the London theatre articles were in terrible shape, and in the past few weeks, several people have been working on them, and we have made rapid progress!! Needless to say, I have focused on those with a G and/or S connection, but also worked on some others. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 18:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Now at Globe Theatre (Newcastle Street). Links changed, added to List of London venues. Kbthompson 11:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


OK, I did a copy-edit job. Please take another look. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 16:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops! Which Queen Adelaide should we be linking to in the article? -- Ssilvers 17:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


You're on a roll, Tim! Next? It seems to me that such an historic theatre as the Haymarket deserves to have a bit more detail added to its article. I just put in all the Gilbert info, but many of the paragraphs cover a 50-year period with just the barest bones. Feel free to tell me to take a hike, though, if you are tired of theatre articles! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 05:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a copy edit. This was deleted from the article (it used to be in the caption of the photo you deleted): "The first Haymarket Theatre, then known as the Queen's Theatre (later the King's Theatre), was designed by John Vanbrugh." Is it true? If so, it should go back in. Also, the years 1880 to 1994 still get only one little paragraph. Can you find any information for these years? Best regards, and thanks, as always! -- Ssilvers 12:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow! That must have been a lot of work. There are still some gaps in the article, but I think that you and I can say that we have done our share on it. It at least gives some idea of the history and significance of the theatre. Well done! -- Ssilvers 23:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 27 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Olympic Theatre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 12:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on getting the DYK mention for your Olympic Theatre entry. Personally, I don't like the DYK mentions, because they usually attract a few vandals, but the vandals usually pass on by after a few days. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 14:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Heh, I found the picture! No, well done. Somebody must be reading these theatre articles.
It's the Goths I worry about, the Vandals pass on, but the Goths set up camp, steal your food, worry your wife and interfere with your sheep (or is it the other way round). Kbthompson 14:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Congrats - your first vandal - reverted. Kbthompson 15:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Just a coincidence, I imagine, but is there any relationship between Irene Vanbrugh and your architect friend John Vanbrugh? -- Ssilvers 19:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no information about this, but I doubt it, as the actress's name seems to have been a stage name. (Besides, her father was Dean of Exeter, and one can hardly imagine a respectable member of the dignified clergy being descended from an old rake like Van.) Tim riley 13:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit dispute[edit]

Would you please weigh in with your opinion at Buddy - The Buddy Holly Story? Thanks for your opinion either way. -- Ssilvers 18:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The Window (song cycle)[edit]

Please give this a once-over when you have time. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 22:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


I took a quick look at your two Pinter sketches, adding a ref and some info to each. In the Pinter template, shouldn't Victoria Station be under "sketches" instead of "plays"? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 18:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, fixed. -- Ssilvers 19:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The Wicked World and On Shore and Sea[edit]

Would you kindly review/edit these new articles? Thanks for looking over The Window. It could use a "musical analysis" section. Have you seen anything that could be cited for that? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


Great work! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe you could use it on that basis, but I am still ignorant as to how to do it. I did a copy-edit, and I also put up a notice on the biography project page suggesting to the folks there that this article might be ready to be upgraded to GA (if not FA) status if someone wants to help you with the technical stuff. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 05:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I asked an editor why he downgraded the article from A-class to B-class. Take a look at his response on my talk page. One of the things mentioned was images. I copied in some images from other articles (I imagine there must be some more relevant ones somewhere), but as you know, I don't know how to upload new images. There are plenty of photos of Sargent on Google, and I am sure some must be fair use. Can you find anyone to help us? Another thing mentioned is the intro. I beefed it up a little, but think about it and see if you can expand the intro to make it a better overview of the article. See WP:LEAD. The text for this article is very good, and I think it should be upgraded to A-class, at least, if only we can deal with these technical issues. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 14:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done, Tim. I asked the gentleman to reassess the article and to see if he thinks it is A-class now. Nevertheless, please continue to improve it if you see ways to do so. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 18:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Golden Legend (oratorio)[edit]

Do you agree with the recent change re: cantata/oratorio? Please let me know. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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See Errabee's new message on my talk page. -- Ssilvers 04:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Broken Hearts[edit]

Kindly edit/anglicise the plot summary in this Gilbert play at your convenience. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 05:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Charles Mackerras[edit]

At the Mackerras article, what does he mean by adding the "unverifiable" tags? Isn't The Gramophone a perfectly good cite? What do you make of his putting the notes and refs together under one heading? -- Ssilvers 20:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Ealing, Sussex?[edit]

Hello, Tim. Can you get to the bottom of this problem at Talk:Ella Halman? This is what the Who Was Who site says. -- Ssilvers 15:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sargent, again[edit]

Some nice chap has put in new images. See if you want to change the captions. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 12:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

When you have a few minutes, please take a look at the Opera talk page regarding the introduction to that article. Weigh in on the discussion there at your convenience. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 06:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Barber of Baghdad[edit]

Hello, Tim. I added a little info to diversify the references. Please review and correct any errors. From what I read, this is an excellent farcical opera but might not translate to other languages well because of all the patter. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Some progress has been made at the Opera article. Take a look and let us know your impression of the new version of the intro. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 13:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Please don't delete content in a minor edit[edit]

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Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra; Helen D'Oyly Carte[edit]

I merged the RPLS info here, as you had suggested. Please review and revise. ALSO, where did you get Helen's will? It must be from a 1913 newspaper? I need the name, date, page number etc. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 01:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Please take a look at the recent edits and see if you agree with all of them. Also, the article now says: "While serving as chief conductor of London's internationally famous summer music festival the Proms from 1948 to 1967, he became one of the best-known English conductors." Isn't this an understatement? Perhaps tweaking the quote to bring it closer to the source will better indicate the scope and breadth of his popularity? during this time? -- Ssilvers 15:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

New images[edit]

Great Cox and Box image!! Do we still need the C&B video cover? It hardly illustrates the work.

Also, I think the DOC designation on the Mikado image is helpful. You've been a busy beaver! -- Ssilvers 17:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Notes for Thomas Beecham article[edit]

Tim, thanks for your note on my page re: the Beecham. I have got it down to 131 refs now, which is a bit ofa help, and think that's about as few as we can get - but every time I look, I spot one more...

Is there any way, I wonder, that refs can appear in 2 or more columns? I've found anything on Wikipedia which shows how that might be done, nor have I seen it on any article. Viva-Verdi 19:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Tim riley/Archive1, and welcome to Wikipedia! This message is long overdue, and I have no idea why the welcoming committee has not gotten to you yet, so let me thank you for your wonderful contributions to Wikipedia. Here are a few good links for editors:

If you need help, post a question at the Help Desk or ask me on my talk page.

Again, a belated welcome! -- Ssilvers 21:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)



It's about time I gave you this:

Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
I hereby award this Original Barnstar to User:Tim riley for his excellent contributions to Wikipedia, including the painstaking research and elegant writing that have elevated the Malcolm Sargent and Thomas Beecham articles to Good Article status. His careful work and collaborative spirit are much appreciated. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


It was a pleasure to work on this article. I look forward to seeing it at FAC. One last thing - when I wrote the GA review report I hadn't noticed your image of Teatro Colon. The Free Use rationale for this on the image page looks a bit thin; are you certain about using this? I'm sure you know what you're doing , but I get a bit edgy about free use of copyrighted pictures, having had my wrists slapped about this before. Brianboulton (talk) 00:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the image. I agree that it might be difficult to convince the fair use patrol that it is needed. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Super new image for the Beecham page! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Given the way Beecham is caricatured, should anything be said about his fashion style, or was he known to be unusually vain about his appearance? -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
TB was not a dandy like dear old Flash Harry, and (occasional eccentricities in the hat department apart) was neither conspicuously dressy nor the opposite.


I am doing a few Mozart projects, with the general view of trying to raise the Wikipedia profile of classical music generally. It is surprising how few articles there are at FA or GA in this area. I have recently prepared an annotated list of Mozart's operas, which is now at FLC where it is being resolutely ignored. If you could spare a minute to take a look and leave a comment, that would at least indicate some level of interest from the opera community. I'd be most grateful. Brianboulton (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment on the talk page. It would be good if you could comment when you get back, even if the list has died at FLC by then, through lack of attention. But i want the list to be as good as it can be, regardless of stars. Brianboulton (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Who Was Who[edit]

I am struggling with the ref format for Who Was Who. Normally, the ref should go with author name first. Then comes the title of the article in "quotes". The URL should be placed before the name of the article (or name of the book if you are citing a whole book that is online), so that the article name is highlighted in blue. Then comes the name of the work in italics: Who Was Who: 1705 to 1706. Then page number. Then publisher/date info. Was A & C Black two authors? editors? If the latter, the cite should start out with "Black, A & C. ed." Let me know what A & C Black represents, so I can understand how to cite this. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, we're getting closer to a solution. Who Was Who's format won't exactly work for Wikipedia. Does this work? (imagine ref tags around it):
[Moved modified text below
Wikipedia guidelines say to put the URL before the article's title, and bracket it so the title of the article is linked to the source. Are the dates (1920-2007 in the example above) part of the book's title? What is the exact title? -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think it is clear that the cite should be as follows (surrounded by ref tags, of course):

"Flower, Sir (Walter) Newman", Who Was Who, 1920–2007, A & C Black, London; online edn, Oxford University Press, December 2007, accessed 22 Nov 2008

-- Ssilvers (talk) 00:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait tag[edit]

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Talk:High Spirits (musical)[edit]

By all means. The article and its readers thirst for such knowledge as you can impart. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I have given Sir Noel the once over and did some ref formatting. Will look again when you are finished with the reference books. Great work, so far. Happy New Year! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


Herman Klein[edit]

Thanks for the nice & complimentary comments - so rare on Wikipedia!! -- kosboot (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Noel Coward[edit]

Oh Tim-o: User:JeanColumbia suggested to me that we list some of Coward's most famous songs somewhere. Can you list just a few? I'll take a look at the new play articles as soon as I can. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I worked on the play articles. When you're done, we'll put them all up for DYK! This will help you with Still Life -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I have caught up to you, editorially at least. You had asked me about Wikipedia play style. Here are a few suggestions: Can you add cast lists to the play articles? If so, please use spaced ndashes in between the role and actor name, like so:

Also, have we mentioned all the songs in the playlets? Coward said that he wrote the plays so that he and Lawrence could act, sing and dance, but we don't describe the singing and dancing much. Besides cast lists, we should note something about the critical reception of each play originally (you do mention this in a few cases). Also, are any of them based on previous works, or are they all entirely original? Generally the plot summaries should be a little fuller, if you can add any details, mentioning the major relationships among the characters and the major action. Once this is done, they might be C-class. Anyway, you have done a super job with this rather big project. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You are very kind. Your indefatigable work Wikifying my lucubrations is much appreciated, too. Now - as to your points, supra, all songs are now listed in the main article, and I'll make sure to mention them in the individual play articles. All the plays are original: somewhere (but where?) in my researches on my shelves and in the internet I have recently seen a statement sans phrase by NC that they were all conceived from scratch for the Tonight at 8:30 project. Shall try to track down. Now, this brings me to the matter of the title. There can be absolutely no doubt that Coward entitled his cycle "Tonight at 8.30" - with a full stop (or if you prefer period) not a colon. But the WP article does use a colon. Does this matter? Cast lists: I can do some in full, but not all. Is that better than nothing or is consistency more important? Tim riley (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
p.s. The notion of Sir Laurence as Falstaff made me grin. Sir Geraint or Sir Ralph perhaps? Tim riley (talk) 19:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's not worry about the title of the article for now, but in the article itself, it should be corrected. Also, I think a partial role/cast list is better than none at all. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Good progress. On the cast lists, please head them "Roles and original cast". Please use bullets (rather than indents). Also, some of your actors have articles, so let's bluelink them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

This Happy Breed[edit]

This has a section called "Plot", but it is not a plot summary, it is analysis. Can you add a brief summary of the plot? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Great! Copy edited and removed "meta information". Also, combined all of the history together chronologically and expanded the Lead. Can you add any information on number of performances and any subsequent productions? All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


Great image. I added a fair use rationale. We need to include this for all fair use images that we add. I look forward to reading your new Coward musicals articles when you have finished adding the info and refs. Let me know, and I'll take a look. BTW, a few of the "Tonight at 8:30" plays still need more plot. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I refer the Rt Hon and Learned Gentleman to the Act 3 & 4 Will. IV c. 73 but will bustle about as best I may. Tim riley (talk) 20:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Au contraire, my good friend. Coward is your Dreadnaught. I am merely trying to keep the helmsman awake and on course. Plus, I reserve the right to mix my metaphors and to utter utter nonsense. As we say in Pfennig Halbpfennig, "Push the Sale!" -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


Your review of the article is extremely helpful and thought-provoking. Many thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Coward with-cigarette-holder.jpg[edit]

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Tim, I added the Fair Use summary. Please refine it if you can, and also add the info about the Source of the image. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this just part of the LP cover, or the whole cover? Was the photo taken for the LP, or was it a copy of a photo previously used by Coward for other publicity purposes? Please let me know so I can check the licensing info. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

It is about a quarter of the LP cover. Reusing a pic from (I'd guess) forty years earlier.

Thanks. Any idea for what reason the photo was first released? Was it publicity from a particular show or event? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Alas, I don't know. Mid to late 1920s would be my guess (from the hairline) but no show particularly comes to mind. Tim riley (talk) 08:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Does the album cover list a photo credit? -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I added a couple of params to simplify any investigation into it's free use - it has a rationale, and it's not of a living person. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 14:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Watch this page!: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Noël Coward -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the nice note you left for Ealdgyth. It was awfully kind of you to thank her and even offer assistance in return. Too often the best we can expect in the reviewing 'business' is an exchange with no shots fired; outright appreciation is vanishingly rare, and I thank you for it. She's a peach, isn't she? :) Maralia (talk) 02:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Frank Curzon[edit]

Splendid, splendid, splendid. You have much improved this article. Your are a researcher extraordinaire. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Design for Living[edit]

The film info should be broken out into a separate film article. The infobox has the film info, which is confusing. Sadly, this will leave the play article without a picture (unless you have one), but I think that is a small problem compared with leaving the two articles merged like this. Once there is a separate film article, the film section would remain in more summary form, with a cross-reference to the film article. But there's no emergency; it could be done later.... -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes - I've got a picture: rather a famous one, but I don't know that it would qualify for fair use. A copy of it is here: [4] Tim riley (talk) 21:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Battle of Barnet[edit]

Hi Tim. The peer review is still active and you are more than welcome to add your comments and suggestions. Jappalang (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Noel Coward[edit]

User:Malleus Fatuorum asked me on my talk page:

Something that might be worth adding? "Curiously, David O Selznick, the American co-producer (with Alexander Korda), had wanted Noël Coward for the part. If Coward had played it, we would never have had the most famous lines in the film...". [Malleus Fatuorum]

I leave this to you. I have no opinion. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know this. Interesting. But the article doesn't say if Selznick's interest in casting NC ever got beyond a mere wish, and I think we'd better leave it out pro tem. If something more substantial turns up it would be good to include this fact, though. Tim riley (talk) 18:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we're supposed to use the word "The" in a heading. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

It's preferred not .... Kbthompson (talk) 00:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
So be it! Tim riley (talk) 08:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Coward FA[edit]

I see it's been promoted. Congratulations on producing a notable FA which I hope to see on the mainpage soon. Brianboulton (talk) 09:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

What can I say? I feel like a proud mama. Our little Tim's first FA! Woohoo! Let's Celebrate! Seriously, though, Tim: You took the initiative on this project, performed extensive research, wrote most of the stylish text and polished what had been there into elegant expression, added numerous articles on Coward's works and improved others, expanded related biography articles, and pushed the whole area of Noel Coward-related articles forward. A great benefit to the Wikipedia project and a useful free resource for the public. Congratulations! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Words and Music (musical)[edit]

Noble Tim: See if you can take this new article any further. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

London Calling![edit]

See if you like my re-org. If not, feel free to re-order. Please see the talk page to Set to Music. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Set to Music[edit]

I made changes based on the IBDB and your comments. Please check. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Fine. I see with all these early shows I shall have to run up articles on (i) Philip Braham and (ii) Romney Brent. Fortunately there were Times obits for both, which gets one off to a flying start. I like the list of NC musicals that appears at the bottom of the pages. Perhaps we could confect something for his plays, too? Tim riley (talk) 18:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
PS We need an article on Sylvia Cecil, and everything seems to point to you. (Though - did I tell you - I saw her in person on the Savoy stage in 1975?) Tim riley (talk) 18:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Coward![edit]

Great job on expanding this! I created the article as a little stub back in November and its great to see it so much improved.Broadweighbabe (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. I certainly will ask for help if I get along to some more Coward related editing. I really only created the page to begin with because I was creating the article on Roderick Cook (it seemed pretty essential to have an article on Oh, Coward! in some shape or form to go with his bio). In general I have been working on creating pages on actors, although I occassionaly do write articles on stage works. If there is an actor that needs an article let me know. I subscribe to the New York Times archives too, so I can help you there with resources for plays, people, etc.Broadweighbabe (talk) 19:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Image issues[edit]

I cleared the image issues and deleted the Bot warnings. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for sorting that out, warnings cleared. Have a nice day. :) — neuro(talk)(review) 17:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Request - [[Aurora's drift]

It would be much appreciated if you could find time to read this (at PR), and leave a few comments. Brianboulton (talk) 08:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)request

Just to let you know, I've sent it to FAC. Thanks for your help in getting it there. Brianboulton (talk) 23:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The Entertainer[edit]

There are now just two articles: One for the play, and one for the film. This is the right way to do it. That way, people can later expand the film article. I have made the article called The Entertainer into a disambiguation page pointing to the other two articles. You should go here: and make sure that the links go to the correct article (play or film). Best regards. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Too much! A good deal better now - I am very much obliged. Tim riley (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Alfred Denning, Baron Denning/archive1[edit]

Thanks for this fantastic peer review; I'm correcting all your points as we speak. Might I recommend the London Wikipedia meetups, by the way? Not sure if you are aware of them, but they are great fun. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 18:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try and work those in somehow. The problem is I could go on for oodles and oodles about his character, style and personality; it is knowing where to stop that is the issue. Still, stuff about the death penalty is certainly relevant. I'm working 10-hour days at the moment, but I'll fit it in this evening when I have some time off. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 06:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for File:Martyn-green-as-bunthorne.jpg}[edit]

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New images[edit]

Done! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Taylor[edit]

Dear Londoner: Would you kindly look at the recent edits at Tom Taylor and the note on my talk page and see if you can sort it out? The current information in the article is supported by the sources in the article, but perhaps a correction is in order. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL! Thanks for the corrections, but I am referring to the London location issue that is discussed on *my* talk page, not the article's talk page. Can you venture once more into the breach? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
So sorry! I see what you mean. The extra details look entirely plausible - the address is an authentic one. I'd be inclined to let the addition pass pending some corroborative detail. (I'll have a scout about over the weekend) Tim riley (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I shall leave this affair to you. I believed the editor, but a reference must be appended. Aaarrggh!! Have been struggling with The Golden Legend (cantata). -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I hear the prompter hissing and will pick up the cue and give the Golden Legend article my earnest attention over the weekend along with the foregoing. Tim riley (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Lord Mansfield[edit]

Thanks for these comments, I've (I believe) corrected all of them. No chance I can interest you in this? Regards, Ironholds (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

"Thither from my Islington redoubt", what wonderful language :). If you could pull any texts out I'd be very grateful, certainly; reviewers are commonplace compared to people with access to texts about Mansfield. I have a book on order, but it won't arrive until mid-may. Ironholds (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Sullivan's MVO[edit]

As I understand it, he would certianly have used MVO during his lifetime (the change only occured in about 1983), what I'm not really clear on is whether changes in the order of wear (which also defines what postnominals are used) should be applied retrospectively (the current one may be found in "No. 56878". The London Gazette (invalid |supp= (help)). 17 March 2003. ). I think it's better to leave some postnominals in the lead, as it standard to use them for Commonwealth citizens, it oculd be argued either way as to which ar emost appropriate in his case. David Underdown (talk) 17:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of File:Martyn-green-bunthorne.jpg[edit]

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DYK? issue[edit]

DYK nomination of Richard Suart[edit]

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DYK for Richard Suart[edit]

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Orlady (talk) 02:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Romance (Elgar)[edit]

Please can you look at the Talk (discussion) section of Elgar's Op 62, that is Romance (Elgar)? It's the first I've heard of an Elgar's own arrangement of this work for cello. Or is it Julian Lloyd Webber's arrangement? I would like this to be verified. Also the material in the article is in need of re-ordering and re-vision, which I will be pleased to do once the question of the cello arrangement is sorted out. Thanks. P0mbal (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kate Terry[edit]

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DYK for Henry Gartside Neville[edit]

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Dravecky (talk) 08:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kate Bishop (actress)[edit]

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Dravecky (talk) 14:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Kate Cutler[edit]

What a lovely little article! I added some links and nominated it for DYK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

How very kind! Thank you, Ss! Tim riley (talk) 19:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Helen Ernstone[edit]

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DYK for Kate Cutler[edit]

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Dravecky (talk) 14:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


I gave him the once over. Great job! Your ref formatting (e.g., DNB) is much improved.  :) There is a photo of him here: Any idea when it was taken? If it's not public domain, you could give it a fair use summary.... -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Cellier (actor)[edit]

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Mifter (talk) 11:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

H.M.S. Pinafore[edit]

I have submitted the article to FAC. Please vote here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/H.M.S. Pinafore/archive1 or let me know if you have any further comments. All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

re: Holmes and anaesthesia[edit]

Hi, Tim, thanks for getting in touch. You make a valid point, and although I personally consider the terms somewhat synonymous, I can see how readers may have gotten the wrong idea. The term had certainly been used before Holmes coined/popularized it, but with a different definition. I changed the first mention in the article to the latter term, but I believe it won't hurt to keep the second instance. Several of the sources specifically state that Holmes "coined" the word for this particular usage, so perhaps a specific citation will suffice? If you have any other suggestions regarding the state of the article, don't hesitate to bring them up -- either to me or at the FAC. :) María (habla conmigo) 19:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, we've worked hard on it. :) María (habla conmigo) 14:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pauline Rita[edit]

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Wizardman 02:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your help on the Harold Pinter peer review, I am sorry that your helpful comments weren't taken well by the owner of the article. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

H.M.S. Pinafore[edit]

It's been promoted to FA. Thanks for all your help! Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)



Hi Tim. I've noticed your name in the recent dispute concerning NYScholar and I was surprised to see that you don't have the rollback tool as you seem very clueful, so I've turned it on for your account. You can read the guideline for using the tool at WP:ROLLBACK but the most important thing is that it is only for reverting clear vandalism and not in content disputes or on edits that seem like they may have been made in good faith. I hope you find it useful! Regards, Sarah 09:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

More importantly, I hereby copy to you the rollback cat, which you may put on your userpage if you wish, you crazy autoreviewer/rollbacker! -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Harold Pinter[edit]

Nice work on the Pinter article! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


Well! what a fabulous article came out of that! Motmit (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree - a fine little article. You might want to nominate this for DYK. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Noël Coward[edit]

Dear Tim riley, today Noël Coward is featured on the main page. You are the main contributor; nice work on the Coward's bio! Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The Wright family[edit]

Superb work on Huntley Wright, Tim. No one but you could have gotten to the bottom of these mysteries and found all of this ancient material. I look forward to your other Wright family endeavors. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Billy Reed[edit]

Why, thank you, Tim. Glad you found it useful.

I noticed your DYK for Richard Suart, a singer of whom I knew nothing. Could he by any chance be related to Evelyn Suart, the pianist, mother of Diana Gould, and mother-in-law of Yehudi Menuhin and Louis Kentner? Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gervase Hughes[edit]

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DYK for Viola Tree[edit]

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Orlady (talk) 20:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Mackenzie (composer)[edit]

You have done a beautiful job on the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

British National Opera Company[edit]

"Jack" created this article. I thought I'd alert you to it in case you wish to give it a second pair of eyes. Also, please watch Ellen Terry, where an editor seems to want to stick in numerous fact tags (but not to do any research) and to make many small edits that do not, IMO, improve the piece. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for your whatever you think is best. Jack1956 (talk) 16:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Tim, it looks absolutely fine to me and is certainly more accurate now and looks good with the picture. Thanks for taking the time to improve it. Jack1956 (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Sir George Power, 7th Baronet[edit]

Another new article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

File:MSstamp.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

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Happy to do it. It's something I can do at work in between things. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Clara Dow[edit]

Well done! I put her up for DYK at: -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Richard D'Oyly Carte[edit]

Please see the talk page - your wise counsel and perhaps some elegant edits needed. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Tim, your additions to the article are super, and I think it will pass GA now. Thanks, as always, for your excellent research and contributions! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Passed GA! Congratulations! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Dora Labbette[edit]

Bless you. I was just going to start the article (I hate red links in my articles) when I found that you've done it and done it bloody well too, better than I could have. Good work. Jack1956 (talk) 16:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Rosa Opera Company[edit]

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Jake Wartenberg 13:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The Duchess of Dantzic[edit]

Good work! I nominated it for DYK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

George Robert Sims[edit]

Does this unreferenced change seem right? -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Pot Stephens[edit]

I gave it a once over. You have filled it out considerably, although I am sure there is much more to say about his rather interesting life. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Clara Dow[edit]

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DYK nomination of The Duchess of Dantzic[edit]

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DYK for The Duchess of Dantzic[edit]

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Rupert D'Oyly Carte[edit]

Tim riley, you have done it again! The Rupert D'Oyly Carte article is much improved. This was not an easy task, as I know the reference material is thin, and little has been written that focuses particularly on Rupert. Congratulations! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It would have been much easier were it not for the relentless quality control from New York, but we're getting there, I think. - Tim riley (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Lottie Venne[edit]

Would you kindy take a look at this new article? Thanks in advance! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance! We have no information whatever in the article about Venne's parents or childhood. Please let me know if you see anything. The two obits that I consulted (Times and NLA) said nothing about it. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Sybil Grey[edit]

Thanks Tim. Pity we can't find any dates.Jack1956 (talk) 14:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

L'incoronazione di Poppea - FAC[edit]

I've nominated the lass at FAC. Further comments and improvements welcomed! Brianboulton (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Fisher Morgan[edit]

Fantastic job at Fisher Morgan! You really have added super value to Wikipedia! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Is British Forces Broadcasting Service the same as British Forces network that you refer to in the article? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Fisher Morgan[edit]

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Rise of Neville Chamberlain[edit]

Hi, I've nominated Rise of Neville Chamberlain for FA. It seems to have gone a bit moribund and I'd be grateful if you would review it. Don't forget to mention that you were one of the peer reviewers before the article was split. I hated to split it, but I would have gotten tremendous grief at FAC and when in Rome you pay Roman charges. -- Wehwalt (talk) 06:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It passed, but now Neville Chamberlain is at FAC. Be grateful, thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Owen Brannigan[edit]

I gave it a once over, as requested. Great work. Did you mean to delete the bit about his son? I suspect the reference is the third book listed. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


Nicely done. You have expanded it more than 5x, so you can get a DYK credit for it. Go to WP:DYK, click on Suggestions and you'll see the instructions. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

No fear! I've looked before, and my eyes glaze over and I tend to foam at the mouth and bay at the moon. Much too hard! Your solicitous editing, on the other hand, is hugely appreciated: bless you! - Tim riley (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Zélie de Lussan[edit]

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I only nominated this one. User:Tim riley did all the work. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Opera Babes[edit]

File:OperababesRen.jpg has been listed for deletion. See discussion and search for Opera Babes. You can comment there. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky and the Five[edit]

Thanks very much for your offer to go through this article and standardize the spellings. The spellings should be in US English, not UK. Jonyungk (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for checking the spelling. Am looking forward to whatever else you may have to share. Thanks very much for your help and support. Jonyungk (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I have read through all your commments and have incorporated all but one of your suggestions (I'm waiting also to hear what someone else may say about em-dashes). Thank you for all the time and effort you have put into reviewing everything, and hope you have a Merry Christmas. Jonyungk (talk) 03:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for John D'Auban[edit]

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German/European productions of Pinafore[edit]

By all means. If you can find any info, please do. The gentleman asked only about Pinafore, but I would be interested in anything you find on the others. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for your offer to help me finding more info. I've already done some research using Google Books, and I've started collecting the results at de:H.M.S._Pinafore#Deutschsprachige_Fassungen. It seems that several libretti have been published in German. Interestingly, one of these was written at the suggestion of Bertolt Brecht. Also, the 1881 performance in Berlin running under the name of Amor an Bord ("Cupid on Board") seems to have flopped (not surprisingly), owing to "the impossibility of anything like political caricature in Germany". Another interesting finding is that the translated libretto which was published one year later contains the first published full score of any G&S opera. I'd still like to know more about the reception of the opera in Germany. Possibly I will find more details in the German operetta literature which I've just ordered. Any further information would be welcome. --Phrood (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


I have proofread the article and left you a number of hidden comments throughout that you can see in the edit screen. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Betty Huntley-Wright[edit]

Hi Tim
I apologise for taking so long in getting back to you RE: Wright family. Betty was born Betty Jessie Wright, Hampstead London, 3rd Dec 1911. She died from heart disease, 27th May 1993, Camden London. These details come from the GRO certificates. I have more info to come RE: Huntley Wright. I will try not to take so much time... Thanks for all your hard work. -- Ozzi0206 (talk) 13:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Ozzi! I added the info to Betty's article. Tim, would you kindly refine the citation that I added to the death info? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

John Barbirolli[edit]

Hi, Tim. Thanks for alerting me to this article, as I have been a fan of Barbirolli's conducting for some time. I'll be glad to look it over for peer review. Jonyungk (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I've left comments for you on the peer review talk page. Jonyungk (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler 150th anniversary[edit]

Just a word in advance: in March I will be working on the Gustav Mahler article, with a view to bringing it to featured standard in time to be TFA on 7th July, the 150th anniversary of Mahler's birth. First off I will be posting a list of Mahler's works, then on to the main task. You may be interested in keeping track of these developments and, of course, you are welcome to participate. Brianboulton (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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Wilfred Rhodes[edit]

Thanks for the information about Rhodes. Very interesting, but not sure how I can use it at the moment, as the article is already huge! I may be able to fit it into another article, though. Thanks again. --Sarastro1 (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bluebell in Fairyland[edit]

Please take a look at this when you have a moment. I'm having trouble finding enough info on it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria[edit]

I've sent the article to FAC after a pretty thorough PR. Thanks for your help & encouraging comments. Brianboulton (talk) 13:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know that the article was promoted, over an oppose from User:Stifle who objected to the non-free image and the soundfile. Fortunately he was rebutted. In my view both of these are important elements in the article, and it would have been a great pity to lose either. I'd like to thank you again for your helpful comments at peer review and for your support at FAC. Now, for the next few weeks, my wiki life belongs to Mahler. Brianboulton (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


No, not Bridget, I think. I'll work on the opera company article and ask for your help when I've done what I can. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mahler peer review[edit]

I have sent the Mahler article to peer review. Comments would be much appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

FAC images[edit]

Hi. I think you should leave a note on the FAC nom so we can attempt to solve the issue in order for your nom to go forward, no? Otherwise I'm not sure where else you would leave comments besides a separate deletion discussion. Best Hekerui (talk) 21:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, what about the the info for the date and author of File:Gustav Holst.jpg. You wrote you looked it up. Regards Hekerui (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I thought Tim said that the image was taken in 1921 but by a photographer who died in 1944. Then, I thought Hekerui said that, in that case, the image can be uploaded to en.Wikipedia with a PD-US tag. Can we do that while the image is on Commons? I thought you can't have the same image on both commons and En.Wikipedia? If so, though, Hekerui, can you go ahead and transfer it to en.Wikipedia, just to move this forward? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
The above is correct. Image taken 1921. Photographer died 1944. See NPG site: here. If this is not OK for en.Wikipedia I wonder if we can use a 1910 painting of Holst by an artist called Millicent Woodforde. I can find no dates for her, and she is not mentioned in Grove Art Online, The Oxford Companion to Western Art, the Encyclopedia of Aesthetics, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Art Terms, and the Art Full Text reference site. Nor is she mentioned in the archives of The Times, The Manchester Guardian or The Observer. Is it accepted as reasonable to use a picture painted 100 years ago by someone whose date of death we cannot establish? - Tim riley (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
You say the photogtapher died 1944 but the NPG page says the photographer was Herbert Lambert and died 1936, which makes the image fine. I updated the Commons page. Hekerui (talk) 08:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Boult's coauthors[edit]

I made a change; the alternative is to list the coauthor as the author: "author=Emery, Walter (coauthor)", but this changes other elements of the formatting, like the year placement. Magic♪piano 14:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


Glad to hear that Adrian Boult was promoted. Definitely well deserved. Jonyungk (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. Hekerui (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations, Tim. Your series of high-quality articles on conductors is some of the best work in the entire Classical Music area of Wikipedia. Just so folks know, here is a list of just a few of your accomplishments in this area alone:

-- Ssilvers (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow! How very kind! I am much touched, and I can only trust that I shall ensure a continuance of those favours which it will ever be my study to deserve. - Tim riley (talk) 18:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler[edit]

Just to let you know, I've closed the peer review as I don't think further comments are likely. The article is probably as ready for FAC as I can make it, so I've nominated it there. We shall see...

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Tim, let me just congratulate you and thank you for all the effort you are currently putting into this article. I have been following it for quite a while.--Kudpung (talk) 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the peer review for this article. I'll be glad to look over the article once Brian is finished. Jonyungk (talk) 00:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Thompson (writer)[edit]

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Well done. Please check to see if my newest edit is correct and helpful. If not, please revise as appropriate. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

A little more of Mahler...[edit]

I've been working on Mahler's Eighth, as a kind of follow-up to the biographical article. I'm trying to get some feedback from music people (who are a bit thin on the ground at the moment - I think Jonyungk is away) If you could take a look I'd be most grateful. Brianboulton (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nominated at FAC today, if you'd care to look. Brianboulton (talk) 23:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


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I do not speak 'British English'. I speak English English.[edit]

Tim, I find the above statement very interesting. Would you care to expand? I feel you may be able to offer some valid comments to a couple of floundering discussions on the English that is spoken in England, and the way it is represented in the Wikipedia's unique version of the IPA.--Kudpung (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a slightly tongue-in-cheek rearguard action against the modern presumption (which in truth I admit is perfectly correct) that the English people no longer own the English language. My little squib about "English English" is frivolous, but it is nevertheless true that to those of us English people who care about the language, it is a perpetual irritation to see what those who have borrowed it from us (or, some might say, have had it imposed on them) do to it. Such a view is, I admit, as vain as the idea of the Académie française that they can preserve and control the French language, but I like to have a go every now and then, even if it's something as simple as resisting the Americanism "He had a house on Regent Street" and insisting on the English, "He had a house in Regent Street". It doesn't really matter, except that there seems a reverse imperialism which one is inclined to rebel against. As to the IPA, it is splendidly objective phonetically, but not much use in coping with changing received pronunciation. E.g. in England, young R.P speakers pronounce the word "book" noticeably differently from the way I (late middle-aged) pronounce it. Which version would one use - the new generation's or the old fogey's? - Tim riley (talk) 19:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I object strenuously to the comment above by Tim riley that he is "late middle-aged". He is, in fact, from the "early modern" period. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Kindly behave, Ssilvers! I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person ... I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule. Tim riley (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Er, to jump into the original question by Kudpung, I have heard other people from England object to the phrase "British English". I think that they would say that they speak differently from, e.g., Scots English (of course, pronunciation varies regionally within England; ask Henry Higgins). Despite pronunciation differences, however, I believe that the rules for written English are consistent throughout the UK. So, I think that Tim's objection to the phrase "British English" is more poetic than practical, in the case of the encyclopedia. Am I right, youngish Tim? -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Not so much poetical as rhetorical. It is true that in writing - though most definitely not in speech - English English is broadly consistent throughout these isles. It was not ever thus:
  • And one of them named sheffelde a mercer cam in to an hows and axed for mete and specyally he axyd after eggyes. And the goode wyf answerde that she could speke no frenshe. And the marchaunt was angry for he also coude speke no frenshe but wolde haue hadde egges and she vnderstode hym not. And thenne at laste a nother sayd that he wolde haue eyren. Then the good wyf sayd that she vnderstood hym wel. (Prologue to The Booke of Eneydos, c. 1490)
Eggyes, eh? This must have been written by that scamp, Sir Francis Bacon! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
God may forgive you (to quote Good Queen Bess) but I never shall. - Tim riley (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Sir, you cut me to the quick; and all for a rhetorical basket of eggyes. I vnderstand ye wel, and this insulte will not be forgottyn. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


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Côte-Rôtie AOC[edit]

Tim, don't worry too much about my comments on that talk page. I'm rather a stickler for correct interpretation of the MOS, but instead of responding to unfriendly comments to prove a point, I have resigned my long membership of the WP:WINE and will return to the real world of tending my vines.--Kudpung (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi Tim, just a line to say how much I enjoyed reading your item on the above. Very nicely and fluently written I thought, thankyou very much. All the best, Eebahgum (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Citation reference[edit]

Hello Tim. I was looking over the Savoy Operas page and I found this reference tag:

See e.g., The Manchester Guardian, 17 September 1910, p. 1, advertising The Mountaineers.

I asked Sam if he put it in, but he says he did not, and suggested that you might have done it. Given the date and its subject, I have questions about this article. Would you be willing to answer them? Slfarrell (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Elgar peer review[edit]

I have added a further comment on the PR page about the list of selected works. I'm mentioning it here in case you miss it on that rather complex page. Brianboulton (talk) 00:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I was unable to contribute to this peer review because I definitely lack the subject knowledge. It was however one of the most skillfully orchestrated PRs I have ever witnessed. In case Brian had not pointed it out, the GL for YouTube is here: WP:YT. The description of AltText is at WP:ALT. The lead section still has no inline citations. AFAIK a lead should be fully referenced because for some projects the lead might be used as a mini article; it is of course wholly possible to reuse any existing refs from the rest of the text. I wish you all the best in turning this into a FA - I'm sure it will happen.--Kudpung (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler TFA request[edit]

I have proposed Mahler for Today's Faetured Article for 7 July. Any support for this would be very welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 22:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


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Citations in Lead[edit]

Leads do need citations sometimes: Here's the language on when leads need refs: "Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source; there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none." See Wikipedia:LS#Citations. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Gaston Serpette[edit]

Thank you for your message, and congratulations on your article. Actually, on wp:fr, all I did was a bit of tidying up. But your work has put the French stub to shame. I have added two interwiki links, but I shall let you check that Thomas and M. J. Barbier are indeed Ambroise Thomas and Jules Barbier (I guess that Viscount Delaborde is fr:Henri-François Delaborde (historien), Lacome is fr:Paul Lacôme d'Estalenx, Roger is Victor Roger (1854-1903), and Vasseur is Léon Vasseur (1844-1937), but the first two don't yet have an article in English and the last two have yet to appear on the wikistage). Not being a specialist myself in this area, I have also left a note at the wp:fr classical music project in the hope that your work will soon be put to good use. May I suggest uploading images on Commons, so that other wikis may also benefit from your findings? Thanks again, Mu (talk) 23:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Lo! The seed has sprouted and come forth out of the earth... :-) Mu (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
At the risk of incurring further blame I have informed Voxhominis, who translated the Gaston Serpette article, about the confrères. I beg to remain, Sir, &c. - Mu (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Edward Elgar as FA[edit]

Apologies first of all for not getting back to the peer review of Edward Elgar until after it had closed. As to your note on the talk page about nominating the article at FAC, I think the article is definitely FA quality and would benefit from being nominated. So far, I haven't found anything negative on which to comment (something I suspected would happen, since Brian tends to be pretty thorough in his comments and probably would have had the same comments I would have had, anyway). Altogether, everything looks excellent. Jonyungk (talk) 15:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Walter Bache[edit]

I've just listed this at PR and would greatly appreciate input on how to further expand and refine it. Thanks! Jonyungk (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for going through this article so quickly. One point of information you asked is when Bache became part of the faculty at the Royal Academy of Music. I haven't been able to find this out. Was there anything in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography about this? Since I live in the US, my library does not subscribe to this service.Jonyungk (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Considering what you said in PR about the quotes being from British sources, would you recommend UK or US spelling for the article? Jonyungk (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


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Kubla Khan[edit]

Just a quick 'thanks' for now, re. the peer review of Kubla Khan. I've only skimmed your comments, and see that you plan to add more, but it all looks like very constructive feedback, and I hope I can implement appropriate changes. Not sure when that will be, but...for now, anyway - thank you very much. Chzz  ►  16:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Please see reply User talk:Chzz#Kubla Khan.  Chzz  ►  01:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


It seems that your services are much in demand as a reviewer these days. Well, here's another request. Wehwalt and I have collaborated in expanding and developing this article, and we feel now that it would benefit from some fresh eyes. If you can find the time we'd much appreciate the benefit of your critical scalpel. Brianboulton (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

New Barnstar[edit]

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I think you deserve this, not only for your recent work on Elgar, but also for all your other knowledgeable and well written music contribs. Kudpung (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hear hear! Your continued high-quality contributions have been "instrumental" (if not downright orchestral) in the classical music area! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey kid: wanna be an Admin?[edit]

TR, you have been around Wikipedia for a long time, and you are a very reliable, responsible editor. Would you like to be nominated as an Admin? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Very kind, but please - no! Not my sort of thing a bit. I am grateful for the efforts of the dignified judges and the industrious mechanics, but I am not of their number. I see this page is getting full. Can you tell me how to create the neat archives one sees on other users' talk pages? - Tim riley (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I created an archive page for you. See above. Just cut and paste what you want to into the new page. Others more technicologically sophisticated than me can tell you how to archive stuff automatically, but if you want to select what to archive manually, you are all set up. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Thank you so much! - Tim riley (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Walter Bache at FAC[edit]

Thanks for the encouragement and comments on this article, which I have nominated to FAC. Jonyungk (talk) 00:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


Tosca is at FAC, too. The classical music fraternity is atking over! Brianboulton (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi. I see that you posted a query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies but no-one replied. We're currently wrestling with similar matters at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera#Bot_changing_categorisation_of_opera_discographies (and the follow-up topic) if you fancy adding your three ha'pence. Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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Geoffrey Toye[edit]

In honour of your pursuit of truth and accuracy at the Geoffrey Toye article, I offer you this image of Sherlock Holmes accessories to celebrate your exceptional sleuthing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Much touched - not least by the courteously English spelling. Thank you! - Tim riley (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Note that I added info re: Jennifer, etc. to both Toye articles. See if you think I included the right amount of family info, and modify if you think it ought to be stated differently. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi. I'm glad you are interested. The IMSLP template, I add to Wikipedia articles, links to the International Music Score Library Project that hosts a huge collection of freely available scanned sheet music. The site is also based on MediaWiki, so it's easy to watch new pages there and if the corresponding article exists here on Wikipedia, I check links in both directions. (By the way, that is my only connection with that site.) However, that is a problem the other way since I'm not aware of a reliable way to watch all new articles about classical composers here, so there are surely some composers with older article on IMSLP than the one here and hence with no or incomplete links. So when you create an article here and find out that there is the corresponding category here, I encourage you to place IMSLP template in the external links. (There is a bit more in this and if you are interested, I may describe the details.) Moreover, If you'd like, you may register at IMSLP and add links also there, but if you don't want to, you may just drop me a note and I'd do it for you. :) Best Wishes, --Tomaxer (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I notice that, in a few cases, an IMSLP vocal score is added to an article that already had a perfectly good link to a vocal score. We need to review to make sure there is only one EL to a vocal score (unless both are important for historical reasons) and that it is to the best available score. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Box and Cox[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Note that they used a hook that did not mention Sullivan. Oh well. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Good grief! Where did this suddenly spring from? I assume we have Ssilvers to thank for thinking of nominating this article for DYK. Many thanks! I don't think the ghost of Sir Arthur will repine at his omission. Did you spot that I included Sullivan and Gilbert as well as Carte in the Messager article? - Tim riley (talk) 19:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha! You could hardly avoid mentioning Carte. The Sullivan and Gilbert references, however, are much appreciated by those knights. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

To the rescue!

With joyous shout and ringing cheer![edit]

Inaugurate your new career! I look forward to your future Wiki projects and recognize the many times you have ridden to my rescue with this image of these mounted heroes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Michael Faraday[edit]

RlevseTalk 12:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

André Messager[edit]

Forgive me for not getting back to you on this article before now, as I have not had access to a computer with a reliable Internet connection for the last few weeks. Today I read through the article for the second time, so I could comment if necessary on the PR for it. You have really improved it since I saw it last time, and there is very little left for me to comment upon. If I see something on my next pass, I'll comment on it, but please be assured that in my lack of a reply you have not been ignored, that in fact you have done an excellent job. Jonyungk (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


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Thanks etc.[edit]

Thanks for the GA review on RW. I've responded to your prod re the GF PR. I don't see you having any problems with GA once you have dealt with the potential copyright issues raised by others.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I started Talk:André Messager/GA1. Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


I hope you are enjoying your time in Cumbria. I will continue to comment on Faure; meanwhile, I have now posted L'Orfeo for peer review, and would be very glad of any comments you have. Brianboulton (talk) 10:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Percy Reeve[edit]

RlevseTalk 00:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


Just two points you may (or indeed may not) want to consider before I resume the GA -

  • Mary Garden - the Pelleas article says she sung Melisande with Messager conducting at the premiere - if this is so I think it is worth explicitly mention in the Messager article
  • Any sound files available? The one I mention from YouTube may be only of historic value, but may be better than nothing if no others can be found -

Best regards --Smerus (talk) 10:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on finalizing the GA! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Gabriel Fauré[edit]

Whither? Brianboulton (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


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WikiProject Discographies[edit]

It's interesting, I appreciate classical music and have a smattering in my collection despite not being an expert, so saw your thread there hadn't been responded to in half a year and thought I'd give it a look. When I first glanced at your discography I was inclined to suggest you put it into a table so that a user could click a tab to search it by chronology or alphabetically by title of work, and not simply name of composer. However, upon arriving at the "Messiah" section, I realized why that wouldn't lend itself to the differentiation necessary when a conductor tackles the same piece of music more than once, as the field necessary to handle that data would be big empty boxes for most of the other entries. I'd say if such a table works for a discography, anything that facilitates interactivity in how a reader can approach the data is a plus, but you shouldn't be a slave to that and people can just text-search the page for title of work in the unlikely event the name of its composer escapes them.

I find Wikipedia is inherently inclined toward recentism. It's not just music from the twenties and thirties that suffers for feedback and interest on these pages. Popular music and chart/industry facts from fifteen or thirty years ago may as well be as arcane as what you've got. I've also been utterly bewildered to find that WikiProject comedy is completely uninterested in Lucille Ball and other 1950s comedy Emmy winners. On the other hand, WikiProject Economics had no interest in and feigned no expert judgement on anything related to the 2008-2009 recession, so it may simply be that the projects aren't really what they're cracked up to be. It can be a little bit like cub scouts who only discuss slot-car races on the one end, and doctors who can only do brain surgeries on the other, with nobody in between. Personally, I think you did a great job. Keep up the good work, Abrazame (talk) 12:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


I have thrown Orpheus to the Bacchante hordes at FAC. You are welcome to tear off your strip of flesh. Brianboulton (talk) 08:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


I gave the bio section a once over. I left two more hidden comments for you. Please delete them after you have seen them. BTW, in addition to Cav/Pag, there is Gianni Schicci, Suor Angelico, and, obviously, Trial by Jury.  :-) How about the Bear and the Cloak? Or, with trial, the evening could be called, The Bear and the Cloak in the Court of the Exchequer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Jacques Ibert[edit]

Hi Tim - There's a general guideline to "avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia" (see WP:OVERLINK#What generally should not be linked). I think, like you, that the World Wars clearly fall into that category. No-one would be likely to use those links, so they have no value and just distract attention from the useful links. I'm delinking them pretty much wherever I encounter them. Colonies Chris (talk) 19:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


Hello Tim Riley, I am just a bit confused why you reverted my edit o the article Ave Maris Stella, all I did was put a full stop in where it was needed. Please could you explain why you reverted it, or re-revert it? Thanks, Bob. (talk) 20:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Bob. I fixed this for you. But, more importantly, you need to add citations to WP:Reliable sources, or else we cannot keep the information. See WP:Verifiability. Don't worry so much about punction, and pay close attention instead to good referencing - that's much more important. Also, to better communicate with other users, please establish you own account. See WP:WHY. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Keats's poem[edit]

Good work with the nit-picking! Someone needs to! I found that article a little Oh Dearish! Do we prefer Keats's to Keats'? I didn't write that bit you corrected. But I must say I prefer Keats'. Amandajm (talk) 08:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's rather better than it was a few hours ago. And it will be better still. But I'll leave it for a while. Need coffee! Problem is, if I add new ideas, I have to reference them, so I'm locked into rephrasing the present ones more effectively. Amandajm (talk) 11:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

A proposal[edit]

Tim, here's a proposition. Would you be interested in joining me, early next year, in expanding Frederick Delius with a view to FAC nomination? We could broadly use the Walton format, and divide the work on any basis that you feel happy with. My immediate projects are to finish Talbot Baines Reed (I notice you had a sniff), then Evelyn Waugh, then I am doing Gianni Schicchi with Wehwalt. That should take me until early January. Wehwalt and I are going to do Nixon in China, but not until after it is performed at the Met in February. So that leaves a gap in my schedule, hence this proposal. You've done Elgar, you've done Walton, so why not Fred? Let me know if you're interested; Mascagni has been dropped well down the list and may well never get done at all. Brianboulton (talk) 22:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Wodehouse and Reed[edit]

Re your note on the Reed PR page, I would like to have the full Usborne quote and all relevant citation details. Could you post on the Reed talkpage? I think it would make an interesting addition to the Legacy section, and am most grateful to you for suggesting it. Brianboulton (talk) 21:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added Wodehouse stuff to the article, per your material, see Reed talkpage for details. I think the need for balance has to limit the use of this excellent material, but would value your further comment. Brianboulton (talk) 18:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, I have now nominated Talbot Baines Reed at FAC, with a credit to you for your Wodehouse input. Brianboulton (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Noel Coward[edit]

For some stupid reason I only now saw a nice message you left on my discussion page about Coward's Marvellous Party. I wanted to thank you for the kind words and tell you I was prompted to look through the material at your user site. OF COURSE, I had earlier tried to absorb the Noel Coward article. I learned so much. Thank you for that, and many other of your pieces appeal to the musician in me. Your work is much appreciated.Hammerdrill (talk) 04:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


By Jove, you've done it again. Congratulations! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I was very pleased to see Walton with his star on my return from the Paris high life. I hope the note re Elgar, below, means that you are considering putting Edward forward in the near future. And then, next year, on to Fred! Brianboulton (talk) 11:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


I've taken a look at images on Edward Elgar, and I have a few suggestions for you. First, regarding captions - these need to adhere to (less rigorous) MoS, prose, and referencing standards, like the article text - there's a couple you'll probably have to source, and "circa" need not be italicized. Also, wherever possible avoid stacking or sandwiching text between images. As for the images themselves:

  • Elgar-worcester.jpg would probably need FoP-UK
  • Edward_Elgar_signature.jpg‎ should note in the caption where the signature is from
  • Elgar-cello-concerto-manuscript.jpg would probably need PD-SCAN
  • Pomp_and_circumstances_No._1.ogg‎ - source link is dead. I'm also not sure about the copyright rules for sound recordings...
  • Alice-Elgar-by-Haines.jpg‎ - if the photographer was active in 1910, then technically the life + 100 years could not possibly apply until the end of this year. For safety's sake, use the life + 70 years tag
  • Royal_Opera_House.JPG would probably need FoP-UK
  • Salut_d'Amour.jpg would probably need PD-SCAN, and categories would be a bonus
  • William-and-Ann-Elgar.jpg‎ - life + 100 years would probably not apply. Given the information on the description page, I would assume public domain, but I'm not sure under what tag

Other images seem unproblematic. I'll end by noting that I wouldn't consider myself a true image expert - if you want a more "advanced" opinion, User:Jappalang or User:Elcobbola are probably your best bets. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 01:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


  • seems like you made a mistake of some kind when you added your nom to FAC. • Ling.Nut (talk) 10:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Walton FA[edit]

Hi, just writing the blurb for The Signpost. Looks like a pretty good article. Tony (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I have a particular attachment to the British music scene of the 50s, 60s and 70s, which was perhaps the height of the classical music profession. There was a certain excitement and dynamism that has since receded for a number of reasons. My connection is largely anecdotal through one of my mentors, Peter Dennison, who read music at Oxford and lectured at Cambridge in the 60s and 70s (and later died of AIDS). Dennison studied under JA ("Jack") Westrup, among others, and knew a number of key figures of the times. Perhaps he was a little obsessed!
Do you like the music of Tippet? Selected works of his are very important to me, and I know that Dennison visited his and Bowen's property more than once, doing the walk around it with the great man. The Tippett article isn't WP's best, I must say! Tony (talk) 13:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the new star! It is a pleasure to bask in your reflected light. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


I will look if I have a chance but I am alas fearfully busy for the next week or so- Best regards --Smerus (talk) 06:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Great article, I have made a couple of fairly trivial comments. Btw you might like to see the Slovak premiere this year of the Elgar Piano Quintet (the British pianist Jonathan Powell and the Ukrainian strng quartet Post Scriptum) at the music festival I organise at Levoca - - video channel here, 1st movement here. Julian Lloyd Webber also gave a superb performance of the Elgar Cello Concerto there but alas I am unable to post the video. Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 06:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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I gave it the once over and promoted it to B-class. I'm not sure about that long quote in the footnote. I attempted to streamline it a bit, but I wonder what its purpose is - simply to demonstrate his prose style? Please review. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations Elgar[edit]

Elgar made it into the Pantheon today, joining Walton, Mahler and the rest. So congratulations, and hopefully on to Delius in January! Brianboulton (talk) 21:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations, Tim. A very impressive accomplishment! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Well done! YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

On a related note, I was going through your FAs to look for notable events to put on the WP:SA section and displace lots of unsourced start-class articles that are on there with great articles. I have put up one about the Opera Company that did G+S, but I wasn't able to find a relevant date for Elgar and Barbirolli (eg date of premiere of P+C or Sir JB's last performance, appointed to important post/achievement etc). Were any dates given in the sources because if they were, I would like to use them if possible (and your other articles that may be missing usable dates, I haven't checked all of them yet). You could write the blurb and just add them yourself if you want too, as there isn't really any process at all, but I'll add them if you feel it is undignified to self-serve. Thanks for reviewing the coup article as well. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Noël Coward[edit]

Hi, in your most recent change to this article you appear to be stripping standard citation formats which will make the article more difficult to maintain consistently, if there is a local consensus to do this could you please say so in your edit comment. My primary reason for reverting the edit was that neutral URLs were replaced with longer versions including parameters such as your unique session ID and other parameters that appear arbitrary and related you your login session. Thanks, (talk) 15:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Elgar and Penda's Fen[edit]

Hi Tim,

I don’t think it is the job of an encyclopaedia to dumb down material to quite the extent you seem to have achieved. I intend shortly to reinstate my original text, modified slightly as follows:

"In his TV 'Play for Today' Penda’s Fen (1974) David Rudkin intertwines the age old themes of life and death with sex and adolescence, the Cold War, secretive Government and the English class system. These are all overarched by the spirit of Elgar and, specifically, ‘The Dream of Gerontius’. In one scene, a ghostly Elgar whispers the secret of the "Enigma" tune to the youthful central character, with an injunction not to reveal it."

I fear you need to view the DVD really. But as it is difficult to obtain, could I please ask you to read the references I have now added to the article. Perhaps we could then negotiate further.

Here is some of my reasoning. It is a fundamental misconception to reduce the use of Elgar to the background music. One of the reviewers I have quoted actually sees the entire TV play as a re-analysis of ‘The Dream of Gerontius’. A similar view is that the schoolboy Stephen’s journey from adolescence to adulthood, symbolised by his 18th birthday, is a parallel allegory to that of Gerontius passing from life through purgatory to death. There is striking Elgarian symbolism throughout, eg the interruption of ‘The Dream …’ by Stephen’s mother at the exact point of the ‘Glimpse of God’.

In a similar vein, ‘spying and snobbery’ is a far too wishy-washy replacement for ‘the Cold War, secretive Government and the English class system’. Rudkin has hit exactly the right note in his recreation of the everyday sensations of living through the Cold War in the 1970s, and the long sequence referring to top secret underground bunkers (a realistic and imaginative leap from the secret Malvern Defence establishment) is in no way conveyed by the word ‘spying’ (and anyway shouldn’t that be ‘espionage’?). And please don’t tell me this has nothing to do with Elgar until you’ve seen the play.

Finally, to describe the powerful speech by Arne as no more than ‘snobbery’ misses a whole lot of points. Having said which, I am still trying to find a concise phrase which will put these points across even more succinctly than my first attempt.

Finally, on the question of POV, I don’t think I have one. All I am trying to do is to give a flavour of the generally gob-smacked reviews which Penda’s Fen has received over approaching 40 years. It is an awe-inspiring work of art which rewards close study. It’s presence in the Elgar article is of minor significance, but that presence warrants just a little bit of care.

Regards.Flying Stag (talk) 01:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


Message moved by Tim riley from user page to here:

"Hi Tim, thanks for Keith Alldritt. Third party sources? Trying to understand what these need to be when putting in info on author. All books, papers etc. are verifiable -publishers etc. Are book reviews 3rd party? What is required. What I've put in seems just the same as what is there for other authors / academics.JanetTennant (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)"

Peer reviews[edit]

I hope to tackle Henry J. Wood tomorrow (Saturday), as I have finally managed to get Evelyn Waugh to PR, after weeks of not much else. No quid pro quo requested, but if you can look at old Evelyn and give me some feedback I'd be grateful. Brianboulton (talk) 20:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Quid pro quo a sine qua non! Tim riley (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I very much like what you've done with Wood. It's a strange thing, I hardly ever do peer reviews, but because I'm on a self-imposed exile from GAN I decided to take a look through PR and this one caught my eye. This is well on the way towards FA. Malleus Fatuorum 22:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Evelyn Waugh[edit]

I have finally nominated Waugh at FAC after a troublesome few days which included an unprovoked attack by a bot missile yesterday. Happily all is well; Evelyn was unhurt and I suffered only a mild coronary. Anyway, it's safely there now. This means I can free up some wiki time for other activities, including reviews, and Culshaw is in my sights. I know almost nothing of him, so it will be an interesting learning exercise. Brianboulton (talk) 23:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

London Wikimedia Fundraiser[edit]

Good evening! This is a friendly message from Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, inviting you to the London Wikimedia Fundraising party on 19th December 2010, in approximately one week. This party is being held at an artistic London venue with room for approximately 300 people, and is being funded by Ed Saperia, a non-Wikipedian who has a reputation for holding exclusive events all over London. This year, he wants to help Wikipedia, and is subsidising a charity event for us. We're keen to get as many Wikimedians coming as possible, and we already have approximately 200 guests, including members of the press, and some mystery guests! More details can be found at - expect an Eigenharp, a mulled wine hot tub, a free hog roast, a haybale amphitheatre and more. If you're interested in coming - and we'd love to have you - please go to the ten.wikipedia page and follow the link to the Facebook event. Signing up on Facebook will add you to the party guestlist. Entry fee is a heavily subsidised £5 and entry is restricted to over 18s. It promises to be a 10th birthday party to remember! If you have any questions, please email me at chasemewiki at

Hope we'll see you there, (and apologies for the talk page spam) - Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Humble request[edit]

(So who gets invited to the interesting parties, then?) Anyway, I wonder if before you succumb to the bright lights, you would take a quick look at Gianni Schicchi which has lain neglected at peer review for nearly a week? I don't know why none of the opera people haven't shown any interest, but it badly needs a review now. Can you possibly oblige? Brianboulton (talk) 00:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for La Vivandière (Gilbert)[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Pretty Druidess[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


I looked it over and will generate comments later on today. In general, it's quite good but I saw some glitches and phrasings that could be improved.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks. I look forward to your comments. Tim riley (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Wood and Schicchi[edit]

I see Henry Wood is up at FAC and I look forward to reviewing it there. It has been joined by Gianni Schicchi; it is a real pleasure to see the number of music-related articles that are coming to FAC. And I know that you have Beecham in your back catalogue of GAs... Brianboulton (talk) 19:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Felix Mendelssohn[edit]

Thnak you for this welcome Xmas gift!! All best wishes for 2011 from Kiev.--Smerus (talk) 10:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


Have at it I just went through Category:Discographies and tagged everything that had no talk page with {{WikiProject Discographies}}; I'm certain that I missed a couple. If you want, you could tag the classical discographies with {{WikiProject Classical Music}} as well. I'm done for now, so you're not stepping on my toes. Thanks and merry Christmas! —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 17:04, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Henry Wood[edit]

Hello Tim. I am so sorry I have only just found your message. It is a long time since I logged on to main Wikipedia. I have been so busy I have not even been on Simple Wiki very much, which is where I do most of my wikiwork. I see you have a reference now for the Agnes Nicholls quote, so presumably you do not need mine any more. I am almost certain it was from Henry Wood's biography My Life of Music, and this should be sitting on my shelves somewhere, but infuriatingly I cannot find it at the moment. I'll look again after the holidays, at the moment we have 8 people in the house and some areas are inaccessible.....oh dear, I also am getting used to a new computer and cannot see the tilde sign anywhere! So I sign off "by hand": Hikitsuran 26.12.10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hikitsurisan (talkcontribs) 18:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Merry Zingara[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of The Merry Zingara at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your great work on Cole Porter back in May. Coward looks brilliant, and I hope Cole will one day :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 14:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Merry Zingara[edit]

Thank you for sharing your work Victuallers (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Image tagging[edit]

Hi Tim, the images all look good. To justify the {{PD-UK}} added by User:Jack1956: is there an author given for File:Ebenezer-prout.jpg? For the same reason I removed the PD-UK notice from File:La-Basoche-Pick-Me-Up-1891.jpg, because there is a signature, which I can't read, so one could find out whether that is in the public domain related to author death in the UK as well. That has no bearing on the correct status of the pictures on enwiki however, and can't tell why it was demanded. Best wishes Hekerui (talk) 21:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Harlequin Cock Robin[edit]

I nominated it for DYK here: -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It's in prep already, to start a happy 2011, fresh air, health and happiness, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)