User talk:Tobias "ToMar" Maier

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We're so glad you're here! Senator2029 • Talk 22:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

September 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Woodroar. I noticed that you made a change to an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Woodroar (talk) 19:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I was just on and about to complain but Google patent search kicked my rear end: [1]. They MAY have coined the term Bodysuit, but the Idea isn't new, just cheaper by design. The main intend of adding the source was to show that there is a clear distinction for leotards and bodysuits from a source who has manufactured them for a long time. At least for females. What about writing in the article Bodysuit "Danskin claims to have invented the Bodysuit by adding snaps to the crotches of their leotards. Although patents on very similar garments pre-date this claim." Question icon --Tobias "ToMar" Maier (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The issue is that we can't trust a self-published source, in this case the manufacturer, to make that claim. They are inherently self-serving, especially when it comes to stating their product is first or best or has some (possibly arbitrary) distinction from other products. Now if a reliable, third-party published source—for example, if someone who is recognized as an expert and independent of any manufacturer wrote a book on the history of leotards and bodysuits—says it's an important distinction, then by all means we can include it. I hope this helps. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)