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trying again

I have tried editing <a href="">that article</a> again. differently. I did read your response, but when i went looking I've found that not only is it not standard to list family in that manner, but in a survey of about 30 biography pages, I found that not a single one did. I don't doubt that some do ( one that didn't, that i checked was her father's, which should mention her I think. But that example demonstrates why that information didn't belong: Townsend should be mentioned, the man's daughter became well known right? But as someone else said, they were moving "the unimportant family" or something like that to the bottom of the page. when I came looking for information on this person, the first thing I thought was "wow, that's creepy." I assumed you had added that, but now I can see someone else did. But i think you'd agree it does not fit an encyclopedia to start looking like a royalty-worshipping site?


Hey if you're bored, toss a few coins in this fountain: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency --MONGO 10:55, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Saw that...good argument...Geez, the thing is just getting started, it would probably moderate as it got going...I'm not a proponent of tagging "questionable" images et al with some label anyway...thinking about eliminating that. Thanks for the imput.--MONGO 14:46, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Senator of State

My pleasure. It's been a long time coming. I'll probably start with and keep up with Western states, New England states and Upper Midwest states, unless you object. Thanks for starting it. Sorry I can't keep up with alphabetical order--I just get bored. :) Thanks to you for getting it going. jengod 06:43, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Nixon portrait

Please see my post on Talk:Richard Nixon BCV 17:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

writing history on Wikipedia

Hello Tom,

I’m an historian working at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University ( and we are very interested in digital, peer-produced works of history, including history articles in Wikipedia. We’d like to talk to people about their experiences working on articles in Wikipedia, in connection with a larger project on the history of the free and open source software movement. Would you be willing to talk with us about your involvement, either by phone, a/v chat, IM, or email? This could be as lengthy or brief a conversation as you wish.

Thanks for your consideration.


oryan at gmu dot edu

Governors & other politicians


I found you through your edit of Philip Phillips. As it happens I am working on Delaware politicians in much the same way you are in Maryland. I am looking hard for standards, templates, etc for articles and categories that will keep the work to a minimum. You must have one for categories, which I would be interested in, and would like to have as much consistency as possible in the politicians articles. See Elbert N. Carvel for an example of what I have done. I look forward to hearing from you.

stilltim 18:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I understand much of your general comments, and have seen some of the material you reference. I am perhaps working with a different level of questions. For instance in the categorization of people who are Governors of Delaware, should they be categorized as "Governors of Delaware," or "Delaware Governors?" Are they also categorized as Delaware Politicians, and Delaware People? or is it Politicians of Delaware and People of Delaware. I don't care what the answer is, I just want something consistent so my editing doesn't go in circles.
I'll happily try your politician box. I do think the articles look better spaced out a little, but if there is an informal standard for one line, I will adjust. I will also adjust to the apparent standard of the succession boxes at the very end, although I think they look better and make more sense before the references and links. Is there a reason they are buried at the end, or is it just done that way? What's the best way for raising questions about possibly changing this sort of thing?
Thanks for your thoughts.
stilltim 19:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for fixing the categories on the Idaho Rep. articles I created. I would have done it myself, but when I created the articles, those cats showed up as redlinks during a preview, and they're still not listed as sub-categories on Category:Members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Any idea why not? Should I simply assume that Category:U.S. Representatives from STATE exists, from now on? Thanks a lot for all the work. Best, Meelar (talk) 21:15, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Maryland alumni

I am an alumni of U of Maryland, College Park...class of er ah '82...I remember this dive south on Route 1 called the Rendevous Inn or something like that...not far from Frat was nasty, but the beer was cheap..I remember the floor never got mopped and you'd end up collecting bits of floor tiles in your shoes and taking them home with you! Anyway, I really enjoyed my time there and hope you do too.--MONGO 05:33, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Class of '82. Hmmm. 18-year-olds were legal in that bar then (and 16 year old prevalent). I won't tell. --Noitall 05:40, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the good words.  :) Eh I see you two are still up late as well... damn addictive editing! --tomf688<TALK> 05:54, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
I used to buy beer in Maryland when I was 16 at the Beer wine and cheese stores...but I always looked older than my years due to my size. Nobody carded me then. I work a lot of nights, hence my all nighters. Tom, look into the Gallup strength finder helps you identify your strengths and is used by some universities for the purpose of helping undergrads find their strengths and hence, narrow down their search for a major...they may use it there (at U of Maryland)...if not check out

--MONGO 06:51, August 24, 2005 (UTC) it is: --MONGO 06:52, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

WYD Image

The picture called Image:Vudrom1.jpg on the World Youth Day page was take by me. So, there is no copyright, the picture can stay there if you think it's a good picture. Sporki 21:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I think I have fixed it now, World Youth Day. But I don't remember what kind of camera I used. I hope it's OK now. By the way, have you been on a world youth day? Sporki 10:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Historic pics

I am uploading a few historic pics for some articles I found and thought you might be interested since some are of some Governors and Mayors, at [1]. --Noitall 00:14, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Eye Hurricane

That was a great job reformating the photo, I figured a pro would take it on.  ?Kyle Andrew Brown 02:02, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


What's your take on Sarbanes inclusion of Succession issue? I'm neutral, but wondering.Kyle Andrew Brown 22:24, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you said it right, it's not worthy of being deleted. I do wish there was more comprehensive content. This Senator is quietly known, but an expert on the financial legislation. His expertise is going to be missed regardless of his politics.Kyle Andrew Brown 02:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Sigh, Wiki Taskmaster you be. Anyway, I thinks you gotta be involved in scandal to get any ink in this business.Kyle Andrew Brown 03:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


Heya, images that have been moved to commons aren't speedy deletion candidates; Just tag them with {{nowcommons|Image:Filenameoncommons}} and they'll get cleaned up in due course. --fvw* 23:48, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

I usually tag images that are duplicated on the Commons with speedy deletion because they are of lower quality/resolution (as in the case of the Mikulski image), which is a criteria for speedy deletion, but {{nowcommons}} is good to know in some cases. Thanks. :) --tomf688<TALK> 01:07, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
The CSD only applies to images on wikipedia, not those on commons I'm afraid; even if the image on wikipedia is of lower quality. --fvw* 01:09, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Hmm well thanks for the info. Also... could you make your talk link in your sigs a little easier to click? ;) --tomf688<TALK> 01:19, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
You mean I should get a longer name? Hmm, I'll consider it. --fvw* 01:21, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
No no, I was just referring to the little * next to your name in your signature. --tomf688<TALK> 01:27, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, that. Yes, finding a way to make that easier to click may merit some thought. In the mean time: --fvw* 01:29, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Featured Picture Canidate

Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Cyclone Catarina from the ISS on March 26 2004.JPG, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. ~~~~

Just a thought

This may not satisfy all of your needs, but if you don't show some support, we're not likely to get even this much. — Xiongtalk* 10:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


Ever since the Wiki Project for decency, Hipocrite has been trolling my edits and causing major disruption around the globe. Could you weigh in on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2005 September 13 when I was minding my own business and Hipocrite tried to delete more of my work. If he is successful, it will result in the deletion of 3 pictures from Annapolis, Maryland. --Noitall 14:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Hurricane Andrew

I was impressed with our recent edit and think you phrased the point better than I ever could. I've put something on the talk page. Feel free to chime in with your POV as I bet you could make yours much clearer than my convaluted (sp?) crap. LOL Gator1 21:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


Sorry, I thought got their images from the NWS.

A pleasure, and Congrats!

I was most happy to vote for such a editor. Congratulations on making it! All the best with you new admin buttons. Cheers Banes 15:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, well, good luck then! Banes 16:19, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Seconds from another supporter. Good luck! --Rogerd 18:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Nope, I have complete faith in you. Best of luck in getting promoted. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 00:37, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
You deserve the thanks more than us. Don't bother thanking me for telling it like it is. You're a great editor and your edits on the hurricane pages and elsewhere are deeply valued. :)
Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 22:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Admin status

Looks like you're going to get promoted to Admin and since I will be on a vacation for the next two weeks, I wanted to offer a congrats, albeit premature...happy editing!--MONGO 00:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

the wub's RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. Yours is looking pretty good :-) the wub "?!" 14:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA

Thank you!

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Titoxd(?!?) 20:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


I'm pleased to inform you that you are now an administrator. Please consider reading all the material on the administrators' reading list before testing out your new privileges. Though everything you do, excluding image deletions and page history merges, is reversible, you should nevertheless be very careful with your sysop capabilities. For instructions, please see the administrators' how-to guide. Good luck! — Dan | Talk 00:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

brain image license


I've adapted the brain image from the site that allows free reproduction of their images. This information is included in the image information. Please check this out and see what else needs to be indicated. --EncephalonSeven 00:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Their wording is the following: "For users who are interested in using any of our images for educational or research purposes, you have our permission to use them. But, they are not to be published and copyrighted since this would prohibit others from using the same images. At any rate, we request that you identify them as from the University of Wisconsin and Michigan State Comparative Mammalian Brain Collections, as well as from those at the National Museum of Health and Medicine. Also, we request that you refer to the Web Site where you obtained them, as well as the fact that preparation of all these images and specimens have been funded by the National Science Foundation, as well as by the National Institutes of Health." As you can see, their images can be used both for educational and research purposes, and their only concern is that the images are not published AND copyrighted. So, I do not think there is any problem in publishing this image in wikipedia. Do you want me to e-mail them and clarify their license? --EncephalonSeven 01:07, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I've looked through the legal stuff that you suggested and I got lost. Could we redirect this analysis to some experts? On my part, I can e-mail the brain collection site and specifically ask them if they allow reproduction of their images by wikipedia.--EncephalonSeven 01:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Let's try to make a case for a fair use. There is no other source for images like that. Am I moving in the right direction? --EncephalonSeven 01:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


Congratulations on sysop/adminship! -- NSLE (Communicate!) <Contribs> 01:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


I had little doubts that you would make it up. You more than deserve the title. Thanks for supporting my RfA, even if I didn't make it. I hope you'll support me again when I give it another shot in a couple months. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 01:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Huh! Now you got up and I didn't. Now that jus ain't fair! :) -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 01:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Warnings to anon's

Please sign test warnings to anon's so other admins can at a glance see what/when it happened, and use subst: for test templates to reduce loads on Wikipedia servers. Thanks and keep up the good work, and congrats on your RfA. - RoyBoy 800 04:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Yup and no problemo. Here are my fav templates that I have in a text file which I'll copy and paste to anon talk pages when I'm doing hardcore RC patrol:

{{subst:test}} - ~~~~ {{subst:test2a-n|}} - ~~~~ {{subst:bv-n|}} - ~~~~ {{subst:spam}} - ~~~~

- RoyBoy 800 04:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

Congratulations, and you're quite welcome. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 09:05, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


i have no clue who you are actually.

My RfA


Thank you for your support! If you should ever have any concerns about my actions as an administrator, please be sure to tell me! Kirill Lokshin 13:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Dvyost RfA Thanks

Thanks for your support on my RfA! Rest assured that I'll do my best to wield the mop with honor and righteousness. Cheers! --Dave 14:42, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


Yeah, I saw the vote, wasn't it something like 30-1, not too bad, well deserving. Always nice to have another admin to help combat vandalism on the hurricane pages. --Holderca1 15:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


I saw your edit of Colossus (statue) appear op the Recent changes page. I believe expanding Colossus (statue) is unneccessary, as there is a larger entry under Colossus of Rhodes. After looking at the revision history of Colossus (statue), it may be better to redirect to Colossus of Rhodes. According to Special:Undelete/Colossus_(statue), Colossus (statue) has been deleted several times, including once when it was a redirect. As I'm still quite new to wikipedia, I'm uncertain how to procede. Perhaps you could take it from here? 22:47, October 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. The redirect is in place. 23:11, October 30, 2005 (UTC)

Ari Zilnik

Why was Ari Zilnik deleted? I had created the entry because I was surprised no one had put it in yet. He is in Canadian band INF which is extremly popular incase you don't yet know. What is your reasoning behind the deletion as I think the fact that it was deleted is quite rediculous.

Speedy deletion of Freddy's Four Fingers

Hi. I just spent a few minutes cleaning up the article on the band Freddy's Four Fingers. You speedy deleted it while I was working on getting it to Wp standards. With three albums out, and local press reviews, they may well pass WP:MUSIC. I know that it is frustrating to see so many bad articles about bands that don't come close to passing WP:MUSIC, but I'd like to encourage you to maybe at least do a Google search and send the questionable cases to AfD. Thanks. Jkelly 22:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikicommons categories

I added some new categories for hurricane images to wikipedia commons.

  • Category:NASA MODIS images
  • Category:2005 Atlantic hurricane season

and more. Try 'em out when uploading new files. Jdorje 02:34, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again!  ALKIVARRadioactivity symbol.png 07:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RfA

I know I've been slow in saying this, but thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was an honor to be both nominated and approved as an admin. If there is ever any adminish (is that a word :-) things you need help with, please let me know. --Alabamaboy 16:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

I just wanted to leave you a brief note thanking you for your support vote on my successful RfA. — Phil Welch 22:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Bush at 36% for November

[2] --Xtreambar 19:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)