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Please comment on Talk:Falun Gong

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Culture of capitalism

You prodded Culture of capitalism. I was just about to nominate it for deletion. It has already been through AfD and a note about that shows up on your prod notice. If that's not a problem then I hope it will be deleted in a week. Otherwise I, or you, could replace the prod with a second AfD. BigJim707 (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I removed that prod tag, as an article that has been at AfD is permanently ineligible for prod. I only did this to comply with policy; do not interpret this action as my endorsement for keeping the article. I have no prejudice against either of you opening a new AfD on this article. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I've started the second AfD. BigJim707 (talk) 19:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

an analysis of some offences affecting administration of criminal justice under nigerian law

Dear Mr Morris

Re - Analysis of some offences affecting administration of criminal justice under nigerian law

Kindly refer to my earlier message on the above in which I implored to kindly look at the article with the above caption posted in the sandbox and bring your wealth of experience as a prolific writer to polish the it if need be in order to bring it up to the required standard by wikipedia. I erroneously did not sign the said message. I apologize for this. I hope you would kindly find time to look at the said article. I am also trying to resend the article into my user talk/Ikpe/sandbox.

Thanks

Yours sincerely Ikpe 00:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Dr Oji — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikpe (talk • contribs) 00:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Office Hours

Hey Tom Morris/Archive 4! I'm just dropping you a message because you've commented on (or expressed an interest in) the Article Feedback Tool in the past. If you don't have any interest in it any more, ignore the rest of this message :).

If you do still have an interest or an opinion, good or bad, we're holding an office hours session tomorrow at 19:00 GMT/UTC in #wikimedia-office to discuss completely changing the system. In attendance will be myself, Howie Fung and Fabrice Florin. All perspectives, opinions and comments are welcome :).

I appreciate that not everyone can make it to that session - it's in work hours for most of North and South America, for example - so if you're interested in having another session at a more America-friendly time of day, leave me a message on my talkpage. I hope to see you there :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Here's a book you might like

Tom here's a book my daughter found at Amazon and I thought you might enjoy it. It's called [Citation Needed]: The Best of Wikipedia's Worst Writing and can be found at: http://www.amazon.com/Citation-Needed-Wikipedias-Writing-ebook/dp/B005W55IVE/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&qid=1319744069&sr=8-1.

After my many trips through wikis I will probably buy the book and laugh.

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Closing AFDs

Thanks. I had some dim sense that non-admins could do it - I'll follow those links and learn how to do it myself. Thanks! JohnInDC (talk) 01:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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karaj payam noor university

Hello,

Can you please read the Article " karaj payam noor university " and help me to edit that , if there is any problem or need to be edited ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abliv (talk • contribs) 17:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit busy, but I've had a quick go at cleaning it up. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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Creating wiki Table

Hi

How do i create a table on wikipage? say 3column by 4row — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lerionka (talk • contribs) 07:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Lerionka. You should probably read Help:Table. When I need to make tables, I tend to use SIMILE's Wiki Table Editor. Hope that helps. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Euthanasia and the slippery slope

Could you please explain why you think that Euthanasia and the slippery slope is an essay? A bit of a discussion, on the talkpage there, about it is usefull... Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

"Spam" warning questioned

Dear Tom, Various external links that I've added recently have been deleted supposedly as "spam", and I'm not clear why. I've read the Wikipedia guidelines and they say that external links should be added to "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues,[2] amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons."

I believe that the links that I added fall into that category. They are links to online textbooks which have in-depth analysis of the specific subjects in question. For several of these, the relevant Wiki pages are very brief and contain little or no background information, and the external links were intended to give people precise, encyclopaedia-type information which would be directly relevant to them.

If these links aren't appropriate to Wikipedia, please could you show me why? And if they are, how do we correct the decision?

Thanks for your help. Info284 (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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ipad editing

Hey Tom, I was reading around for resources about editing on the ipad, and came across your helpful blog post on the subject. After playing around a bit with the concept, I liked the principle but hated the fact that the only monospaced font that the ipad uses was courier, just about the worst monospaced font possible. However, I then realised that I could use google webfonts in my vector.js to replace courier with inconsolata. I think it works better and gives a very clear ipad editing experience and thought you might like to try it out. Ajbpearce (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh thanks, that's a really cool idea.

Hadn't thought of using WebFonts to supplement the fonts on iOS. —Tom Morris (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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Interview

Hi, I am a Wikipedian and researcher from Carnegie Mellon University, working with Professors Robert E. Kraut and Aniket Kittur. We’ve published many scholarly papers on Wikipedia and are partnering with the Wikimedia Foundation on several new projects.

I have been analyzing collaboration in Wikipedia, especially Collaborations of the Week/Month. My analysis of seven years of archival Wikipedia data shows that Collaborations of the Week/Month substantially increase the amount and nature of project members’ contributions, with long lasting effects. We would like to talk to Wikipedians to better understand the processes that that produce this behavior change.

We’ve identified you as a particularly good candidate to speak with because of your involvement with the WikiProject Video games' Collaborations, which is one of those we’ve been investigating. It would really help us if you would be willing to have a short talk with us, less than 30 minutes of your time. We can talk via skype or instant messenger or other means if you’d prefer. Do you have time at any point during this week to chat? If so, please leave a message on my talk page.

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Dennis E. Puleston Page notes.

Mr. Morris,

I appreciate your constructive comments on my recent postings. I was given Dennis E. Puleston as an assignment in a graduate level class. Therefore it is imperative that I work through the issues you found for me. I can assure you that Dr. Dennis E.Puleston is of great importance to the field of Maya archaeology. How do I address the notability issue in a way that is satisfactory. Also, I do not have the option of collaborating on another project at this point, as I am putting together a second page for another assignment and have a number of term papers to get done. I need to see exactly what I need to do so that I do not run into the same issues on the next go around. I will read all of the links you gave me tomorrow and see what I can glean from them. Afterward, I would love to have you review those changes if you could and give me specific references to the problematic issues.

Corey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cakerkela (talk • contribs) 20:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cakerkela, I made no specific comments regarding Dennis E. Puleston, so I'm guessing the comment is in reference to the welcome template I left on your talk page. I had a look at the article and have made a few changes:

I've removed the first header as it is not required.
I have removed the third paragraph in the lead which read as follows:
The unique nature of Dennis’s passing is only overshadowed by the unique nature of his life and career. A brief synopsis of some of his studies is included below, but more detail can be found at www.puleston.org for those who are inspired to learn more.

This is due to the fact that Wikipedia avoids editorializing: when writing an essay, this kind of editorializing is not necessary. Writing on Wikipedia tries to take a sort of "view from nowhere" approach (however much academic theorists deride such a style): saying that Puleston had a "unique" life and career goes outside of the style of writing that Wikipedia tries to go for. I removed the link also as links go in an external links section at the bottom of the article.
I changed the first section name to 'Biography' as this is reasonably customary on Wikipedia.
I have merged the section with the one below on childhood and education. I have removed the extensive quote from the Pulseton Sr. article that has been included. Wikipedia doesn't allow quoting from other Wikipedia articles for two reasons: firstly, they aren't reliable sources and secondly, because the text can change.
I've pruned the section on Pulseton's family and removed reference to the location of images. Unlike print publications like newspapers and books, Wikipedia doesn't make direct reference to the location of images (saying they are on the left etc.) as different browsers render pages differently. What may be on the left on one screen may be different on, say, a mobile phone screen or widescreen tablet. Instead, that material can be included in the image caption.
I changed the section heading to remove the reference to the "unique approach": again, this is editorializing, a style of writing we try to avoid on Wikipedia.
I've removed this: "Below are brief synopses of three of his most influential works in experimental archaeology." Wikipedia tends to avoid this kind of 'navigational' text: it tends to be that if the article needs that to be readable, then things like section headers haven't been appropriately thought out. Which brings me to...
I've changed the next two section headers from being "Dennis and" to "Research into", as that is the sort of style expected in the relevant section of the Manual of Style.

There's still quite a few things that need fixing. Here's an example of that editorializing style again:

While many of his resultant hypotheses are controversial, one would be hard pressed to attribute the problematic areas of these hypotheses to methodological errors, scientific veracity, or a lack of data.

Imagine me as a somewhat snarky professor: "'One'? Who is this 'one'?"

On Wikipedia, we discourage original research, and so to really meet the style and content guidelines, it would be better to either attribute this response to the various critics of Pulseton to either some actual responder. I'm not familiar with the literature or the topic, but it's certainly something I'm tempted to write in philosophy articles, but I have to temper with "well, who said this?". This is important because Wikipedia is about what is verifiable.

I would say pretty much the same thing about the following statements:

While traditional archaeological methods rest on theory interpreted through anthropological observations and repetition of artifactual data from site to site, this approach does not bring satisfying answers to the questions that Dennis was most interested in.
Experimental archaeology is rare today.
Unfortunately, arguments of environmental change since the “collapse” of Lowland Maya societies have been convincing and have been used to undermine the approach to the point that it is now rarely practiced.
- Specifically on this one, imagine you are writing for someone who knows absolutely nothing about archaeology, history etc. This line of thought needs attributing properly: this isn't an essay, remember. But also, a savvy but not historically-aware reader (like I hope I am) will look at this (style issues aside) and say "oh, okay, so, Puleston was interested in doing tests on societies and then there are the other guys in the field who don't do this because of the... Lowland Maya societies which have scare-quotes collapsed". I don't know about the Lowland Maya societies: what happened there? As a Wikipedian, I also read that and see point-of-view pushing. As if the concerns of the "environmental change" guys are completely worthless. That's something we try and avoid on Wikipedia: reading an article like this is supposed to help me understand Puleston, rather than convince me that his approach is correct.
But, if Dennis was still around, it would be easy to imagine his creative style would have found a way to counteract the detractors of experimental archaeology and his continued work would be invaluable to the field.
- Wikipedia doesn't deal in counterfactual history.

Okay, that's a few things. There's still lots to fix, and I'm gonna invite some of my fellow Wikipedians to take a look. I hope my critique helped: it's meant in a spirit of good faith, even if the particular criticisms may at points be a bit harsh. You can see the specific changes I've made here.

Thanks again for contributing to Wikipedia. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Mr Morris,

Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. I will allot some time to this on Saturday or Sunday and let you know when I am finished. I appreciate the approach and your time. Talk to you soon.

Cakerkela {Cakerkela (talk) 12:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)}

Mr. Morris,

I have altered the intro and Biography to help clear the notes. I will get to the rest later today or tomorrow. Thank you for your patience. {Cakerkela (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)}

Mr. Morris, I believe I have addressed the issues and would love to see if I can get the notes removed. If there is more I need to do, I would love to do it soon. I added several references and some data on why he is important. I also tried to eliminate my bias for his work.Please let me know what you think when you get a chance. Thank you very much!

cakerkela {Cakerkela (talk) 23:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)}

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Dennis E. Puleston follow up

If you get a chance, could you please review the changes made to Dennis E. Puleston. I believe i have addressed the notes and need to ensure that I have done enough to clear the notes. Please let me know if there is more to do.(Cakerkela (talk) 00:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC))

Thanks!

Thanks for the shiny award :) I look forward to the memeage with only slight trepidation... Accedie^{talk to me} 09:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mythology

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Um . . .

An embarrassing trout-related incident

Regarding this:

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Please be careful not to delete one editor's comments when adding your own.--~T P W 13:13, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

D'oh. Sorry about that. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries, I don't get many opportunities to bring out the fish.--~T P W 13:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ram Dass

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Thanks

For agreeing that I could write this Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tom Morris Ϣere SpielChequers 11:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

When are you thinking of going live? I'm keen to give my opinion! --Fæ (talk) 11:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Real soon now! —Tom Morris (talk) 11:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops!

Sorry! I reverted then undid myself. The combination of the redlink and that fact you hadn't completed the substitution made it all go wonky. Good luck at RFA! Pedro : Chat

You might find it a wise idea to sign your acceptance however :) Pedro : Chat 21:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Tom, Pedro has made a few considerably valid points in your RfA. It'll be good form to reply to his issues. At the same time, as much as I know Pedro, he'll weigh your nomination according to your contributions, than with respect to the current issues; provided, I believe, you reply. Kind regards. Wifione ^Message 04:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, noticed just now. You've replied :) Thanks Wifione ^Message 04:07, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi.

I like your work you are a mastermind at editing and I need your help on something talk to me on my User talk page please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GH200 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yuppie ki yay

Hello Tom, back in June you added a reference to the Encyclopedia of Contemporary British Culture to the article Yuppie. However, it's not quite working. Would you care to see what is the problem? --hydrox (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Done Fixed! —Tom Morris (talk) 00:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, the section title made me smile. Thanks. —Tom Morris (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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