User talk:Tony Holkham

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And now for 2016[edit]

Lake Bondhus Norway 2862.jpg

A view of Lake Bondhus in Norway, and in the background of the Bondhus Glacier, part of the Folgefonna Glacier.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

What a magical picture, thank you. I went to Norway once for a business meeting in Oslo and was captivated by the quality of the light. I'd love to go back again one day. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Clovelly Lifeboat Station has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]


Good morning Tony,
Whilst watching BBC Breakfast earlier today, this from the Daily Mirror was featured in the newspaper slot [1].
I must add that I do not subscribe in any way to looking at this newspaper Face-grin.svg
Might it be worth adding to the article? I'll let you be the judge of that.
Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. Made me laugh, especially the attempt at pronunciation. Strangely, at this very moment (to paraphrase another, more famous, Tony), it is raining not in Blaenffos. All the best, Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Clovelly Lifeboat Station[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


Hi. You or anybody can help draw up the lists of core articles, hotlists of really wanted/important articles and missing articles in general. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing article hotlist was intended to be the hotlist of the important/high demand articles which we will give extra points to people for for tackling, but if you want to add a full list of missing villages and you don't think most of them would be worth extra points you can create it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing articles, which can include all the missing articles which anybody wants to list there. Try to keep it organized by topic and sub divide it by county though if you can! You can add rivers, mountains, whatever you want! The more missing articles the better I think, gives people more choice and invites people to start them. If you think an article is important or really needed enough to be given extra points, add it to the hot list rather than general article list. Long term this is a good thing for Wales anyway, and we can see a fair bit of what is missing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:29, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess if we really want all those remaining Pembrokeshire villages started we could giv e a bonus to any editor who creates a minimum of say 10 new articles on them, but the entries would have to have a minimum of 1.5kb of readable prose. The important thing I think now is for all WP Wales editors and others to be quite vocal about what they want to see improved. If you higlight certain things you each really want to get done I can give bonus points to people who tackle them. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

To Dr. Blofeld: I fully understand. Thanks. The bigger the lists the more choice, and the less chance of two or more people working on the same article offline to upload on 1 March! Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Cheers for adding the villages, fele free to also add listed buildings to Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Missing articles. [2] That might help get them started!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Cenarth Bridge and Old Bridge, Pontypridd[edit]

Hi Tony,

I thought "holes" in bridges were unique, how wrong I was...have a look at File:Bridge, Coursan 02.jpg in France. SethWhales talk 20:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

That's a surprise. I knew they were rare, but France... Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
And see Bridge of Arta (Greece) and Pont du Diable (Céret) (France again). I must look at Arch bridge to see if the technique is mentioned; if not, maybe it should be. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
@Seth Whales: And see Anji Bridge for the oldest (though not circular perforations). Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
@Tony Holkham: This just shows how little I really know....but then again Wikipedia does this to me all the time (thanks for the information).Mr. Smiley Face.svg SethWhales talk 09:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
@Seth Whales: Me, too. I hadn't ever given much thought to bridges before, so thanks for Cenarth Bridge! Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:44, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I noticed that you changed the image on the article. Yes the image does look "a little more cheerful", however the reason why I chose this image instead of this image was that it showed the 3 arches. This image isn't so bad, and this image is just the same as the original. If the image you selected included the 3rd arch to the left, it would be perfect, but it doesn't. In the article, it says that it is a 3 arch bridge...but apart from the old print image, the viewer cannot see a 3rd arch...your thoughts. SethWhales talk 14:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Seth Whales: I hadn't seen this image before, and I think I like it the best because it shows the holes and arches very clearly. I chose this image because it shows more river and less car park and it's lighter in tone. Comparing all four images, I think both of these should go in, with the former in the infobox as the clearest representation. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:47, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@Tony Holkham: Yes the image does clearly show the 3 arches and the 2 holes. Do you want to make the edit? SethWhales talk 15:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@Seth Whales: Yes, happy to. Will also mention the point that the river does flow under all three arches sometimes. We need a pic of that, too! I'll try to get one sometime (only 5 miles away). Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:36, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@Tony Holkham: I didn't know you lived so close. SethWhales talk 16:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, taken lots of pics and video of the falls, and even seen a salmon - rare these days. I live in Blaenffos. Yet to photograph the river in full flood, but I was there a few days after the car park was completely washed away a few years ago. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Old Bridge, Bridgend and Pont Aberarth[edit]

Hi Tony,

I have just added 2 new bridge articles: Old Bridge, Bridgend (today) and Pont Aberarth (15 Feb). Feel free to add/amend edits. SethWhales talk 23:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

To Seth Whales: Been over the latter enough times, you'd think I'd have noticed it... must keep my eyes open. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:18, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Penffordd, Pembrokeshire[edit]

There is another Penffordd about 2 miles northeast of Tregaron. 51.233 -3.900 SovalValtos (talk) 22:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. There are many around Wales, but this is the first to have an article. I guess I could have called it Penffordd, Pembrokeshire. Maybe later. Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:28, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
This and the Tregaron one are the only two that came up in my map search. I think it would be as well to title this one Penffordd, Pembrokeshire. That is what I have been trying to do on commons, but got muddled, so I will have another go there later. It looks really wee; three houses? SovalValtos (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
More muddle, I was looking at the one at 51.958 -4.907 , also Pembrokeshire. SovalValtos (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
To SovalValtos: How do I look at this one (51.958 -4.907)? If it's in Pembrokeshire, I don't know how to use the coordinates online. Is it near somewhere else? Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I've got it, near Trecwn. Not a village. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:00, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Moved page. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Commons link now in place. I think commons can be slow updating at times. SovalValtos (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Excellent. Thank you. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Welsh Newspapers Online[edit]

The link you added to Penffordd is the first time I have seen this, and anyone can use it! It looks like great care is needed in choosing what to accept of their transcriptions which seem to be done by a program. Reading the scan for confirmation of spelling and punct. SovalValtos (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

It's very time-consuming, but a wonderful pastime, and very useful for filling out the history of the smaller settlements. Unfortunately for me, in the case of Welsh newspapers, many of the articles are in Welsh, but it is possible to enter the text in Google translate and get a reasonable idea of what the article is about. What a shame the British Newspaper Archive is not free, though I did get free access through the Wikipedia Library for the past two years. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Women in the RNLI[edit]

Hi there, Tony

I'm very new to Wikipedia editing but have a vested interest in RNLI articles because I'm the RNLI Social Media Manager - we're holding an edit-a-thon today and I'd be really keen to add a 'Women in the RNLI' section to our main page. Could you advise on whether this is likely to be approved and the best way of going about it? I'd really appreciate your guidance and experience.

Best wishes, Becky Steeden

Hi, Becky. I've left a welcome message on the talk page of User talk:rainbowll22 - I'm guessing that's you. Please sign any messages on talk pages with four tildas (~~~~). It's great news about the RNLI editathon; Wikipedia needs more editors.
Wikipedia works largely by consensus, so added information (which obviously must be backed up by reliable sources or it won't last long) will be seen by anyone who watches a particular article, and eventually (!) an agreed text comes to pass. On your point about Women in the RNLI (I'm all for recording something, somewhere), see Talk:Royal National Lifeboat Institution.
Since you have (as an employee of the RNLI), what is known in Wikipedia as a "conflict of interest", it would be a good idea to mention this on your user page. It doesn't exclude you from editing on RNLI matters, but it's best that other editors know.
Let me know here if you have any general questions about Wikipedia editing, and I'll do my best to help. Incidentally, I edited the London and South East Compass edition for several years. Did we meet at the London office? Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Tithe maps[edit]

The National Library of Wales has a "Cynefin: Mapping Wales'sense of Place" project [3] to digitize tithe maps. Some maps can be seen on their site, for example [4] which might interest you.

The National Library of Scotland is further advanced in that they are already making available many old maps in digital form, already done are one inch and six inch and they are working through 25 inch where they started with Scotland (naturally) and are now working up England. Sorry if I have mentioned this before.[5]. No 25 inch scans as yet for Wales. The 25 inch are a fascinating resource which at least cover some of your other haunts.SovalValtos (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Kind of you, thank you. I remember looking at tithe maps in W Sussex Record Office in the 80s (researching family history) and barely being able to tear myself away. Digitisation is going to be a huge benefit to WP, geographically. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Royal National Lifeboat Institution[edit]

The article Royal National Lifeboat Institution you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Royal National Lifeboat Institution for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Miyagawa -- Miyagawa (talk) 12:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The Anglesey/Gwynedd Challenge[edit]

Planning on runnng this without prizes on June 13-20. If you're interested in contributing put your name down at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon. We'll do one for Pembrokeshire later in the year, hopefully with prizes ;-) Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

To Dr. Blofeld: Sorry, no can do this time - busy with non-WP things for a while. Hope it goes well. I'll certainly try to contribute to a Pembs one, if it's not too soon. Cheers. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
No worries, enjoy the summer!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
If only... Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:46, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi, at Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge we're striving to bring about 10,000 article improvements and creations for the UK and Ireland and inspire others to create more content. In order to achieve this we need diversity of content, in all parts of the UK and Ireland on all topics. Eventually a regional contest will be held for all parts of the British Isles, like they were for Wales and the Wedt Country. We currently have just over 1900 articles and need contributors! If you think you'd be interested in collaborating on this and helping reach the target quicker, please sign up and begin listing your entries there as soon as possible! Thanks.♦ --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)