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GOCE Year-end Report

Season's Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
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We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2010. Read all about these in the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report.

  • Membership grows to 503 editors
  • 2,589 articles removed through four Backlog elimination drives
  • Our encounter with Jimbo Wales
  • Guild home pages reorganized and redesigned
  • Report on our inaugural elections
  • Guild Plans for 2011
  • New barnstars introduced
  • Requests page improved
  • Sign up for the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive!
Get your copy of the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report here
On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. See you in 2011!
– Your Coordinators: S Masters (lead), Diannaa, The Utahraptor, and Tea with toast.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 07:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Punctuation marks inside vs. outside quotation marks

Sounds good. Thanks for that, as I simply cannot keep straight the differences between MOS and regular grammar rules. Kithira (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive news

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 backlog elimination drive
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! The drive is halfway over, so here are some mid-drive stats.

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GOCE January 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

So far, 43 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 25 have participated. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now.

Progress report

We have eliminated two months from the backlog – January and February 2009. One of our goals is to eliminate as many months as possible from the 2009 backlog. Please help us reduce the size of this part of the backlog if you haven't already. Another goal is to reduce the entire backlog by 10%, or by 515 articles. Currently, we have eliminated 375 articles from the queue, so if each participant copy edits four more articles, we will reach that goal.

Thank you for participating in the January 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk), The UtahraptorTalk to me, and Tea with toast (Talk)

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ARBCOM about recent AN/I

There is an ARBCOM request which is related to an AN/I thread you recently participated. You may be interested in the discussion. --Cyclopiatalk 10:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi there! I noticed your copyedit of Greyhawk, and that you added yourself to the D&D Wikiproject participants list. If you like, feel free to check out the resources available at the wikiproject page. :) We were looking to get Greyhawk to GA one day (as Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms already are), so if you have any ideas on how to get there, I'm sure Guiness and myself would love to hear them.  :) BOZ (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

When people are doing things the right way, you can learn a lot of good stuff from Wikipedia. :) Did you enjoy reading the Forgotten Realms article? I did most of the work to get that one to GA, and learned a lot in the process. Ed created the Realms several years before D&D was even thought of, so it's actually older than Greyhawk! BOZ (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, we had less difficult time finding reliable sources for the Realms article, so that has a lot to do with it, same with Dragonlance. I'm thinking about putting Greyhawk through a GAN to see if we can get it there. BOZ (talk) 18:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


Hello Torchiest. Thanks for your note. I wanted to let you know that I added a subsection header to the comments on the page in question. The previous conversation was over 9 months old and about something different than the current one. I hope that this is okay with you, but, if you want to give it a different name please feel free to do so. Cheers and happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 16:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: KMFDM talk page history template

Well, the template {{Featured article candidates}} states it "Do not manually update the {{ArticleHistory}} template when the FAC closes." The FAC of KMFDM has not been closed yet so it is unneeded to archive its nomination. And for the other question, the bot do it all by itself, it knows it depending if the page is listed here or here. Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 23:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

No, it is not right. If you read Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/archiving at bottom is written "Editors will know if the article was kept or delisted by checking the archive; the {{featured article review}} template should remain in place until the bot processes the close and adds the event to {{articlehistory}}." You only will make the bot confuses itself; futhermore adding it won't make anything special, only will make the page appears at Category:ArticleHistory error, where I found the page. Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 23:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

January barnstar

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This barnstar is awarded to Torchiest for copy editing articles totalling over 12000 words in the January GOCE Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating! Diannaa (Talk) 17:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Torchiest, You have been credited with a 10K article – List of Quest for Glory characters, but I see that the {{copyedit}} tag is still there. If you can complete the full copyedit by 19 February and remove the tag, we will award you with the 10K barnstar. Please drop a note on my talk page when you have finished the article or if you have any questions. Thanks! – SMasters (talk) 11:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm so sorry, I don't know how I missed Greyhawk. My brain must have been fried today from doing all the barnstars! LOL. Forget my note about the other article and you can do it if you feel like it. Cheers. – SMasters (talk) 16:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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Awarded to Torchiest for the following amazing copy editing:

during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive. – SMasters (talk) 16:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive
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Greetings from the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We have reached the end of the month and the end of another successful drive; thanks to all who participated.

  • 54 people signed up for the year's first Backlog elimination drive. Of these, 40 participated.
  • One of our goals was to reduce the size of the backlog by at least 10%. We managed to reduce the backlog by 633 articles, or about 12%.
  • Another goal was to eliminate as many 2009 months as possible from the queue. We eliminated January, February, March, and April—4 out of 12 months is not bad! In addition, we eliminated 37% of all remaining 2009 articles from the queue.
  • Chaosdruid copy edited Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya for 32,711 words, which is the largest single article completed in one of our drives so far. This article counts as six 5000-K articles, and Chaosdruid wins the "most 5000-K articles" leaderboard category. Way to go! A complete list of individual results is here.

If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the November 2010 Backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering the barnstars within the next couple of weeks.

Thank you for participating in this year's first Backlog elimination drive! We hope to see you in March.

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (talk), The Utahraptor (talk), and Tea with toast (talk)

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File:Kmfdm jules starlite.jpg

Hi there. I have a problem, and I'm hoping you can help me with it. The image File:Kmfdm jules starlite.jpg that you uploaded a few years ago doesn't quite have a clear explanation that it is released into the public domain. Are you Mike Kendrick, the photographer who actually took the photo? I need to clear up its usage permissions for the KMFDM article, which I'm trying to promote to featured status. Thanks for any help or information you can provide. Torchiest talkedits 00:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok... You would probably need to find out the original uploader who uploaded it to English Wikipedia. Since the original file is now deleted I guess you have to be an admin to check the history of it. I hope this helps. // Liftarn (talk)

License tagging for File:KMFDM Krank.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:KMFDM Krank.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Dera Sacha Sauda

Under control, or is it time to protect these articles? --rgpk (comment) 20:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I know. I looked at the articles and couldn't figure out which was the worse version. Too much detail in both though it looks like you're trying to figure things out. Good luck with that! --rgpk (comment) 20:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: DYK? question

Since the hook has already been approved, you likely don't have to worry about noting it. If you want to though, you can just make it a reply to the hook approval. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Book of Lairs

Hi there,

I saw that you just completed a copyedit of The Book of Lairs. I was going to add another review from Dragon, but you beat me to it. :) Would you mind giving it another once-over, now that I have referenced the review? (talk) 22:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) (talk) 01:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


Re the RfC, I've trawled through Google Scholar and brought up some academic sources that call LaRouche an economist, in addition to the various media sources that were already listed. Have a look at them, and see if they change your mind, or not. I tried to avoid the ones that I know are LaRouche's own publications.

Let me add that I'm not a particular LaRouche fan. But if the man and his views have the ear of various foreign governments, notwithstanding his lousy standing in the US, then I believe we shouldn't minimise that, and give the reader the impression that he is nothing but an inconsequential local cult leader. Cheers, --JN466 18:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. I had resigned myself to the likely outcome of the RfC, and removed the economist label, but now see that LaRouche, under the pen name Lyn Marcus, authored a book, Dialectical economics : an introduction to Marxist political economy (1975) (entry at, published by D. C. Heath and Company (Lexington, Massachusetts), which was reviewed[1] in the American Economic Review, published by the American Economic Association.

The book has citations in Google Scholar and in Google Books.

To my mind, this changes things, and I feel less happy to let the matter drop. Surely, having your work reviewed in the American Economic Review, which according to our article on it is one of the most prestigious journals in the field, counts for something. Add to that the fact that he was considered quite an important economist by various Latin American governments, according to reliable sources, and I feel uncomfortable not calling him an economist. What's your view? --JN466 03:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Note that User:Volunteer Marek has checked the AER issue in question. The Google Books snippets are in fact from an advertisement in the back matter, rather than a review of the book. That is rather different. --JN466 22:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

GOCE / Mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Here is your mid-drive newsletter.

GOCE March 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

So far, 79 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 64 have participated. Interest is high due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page, and many new and first-time copy editors have joined us for the drive. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now. Many thanks to those editors who have been helping out at the Requests page. We have assisted in the promotion of seven articles to Good article status so far this month.

Progress report

We have already achieved our target of reducing the overall backlog by 10%; however, we have more work to do with the 2009 backlog. We have almost eliminated May 2009 and we only have some 700 articles left from 2009. It is excellent progress, so let's concentrate our fire power on the remaining months from 2009. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Utahraptor resigns

The UtahraptorTalk to me has decided to step down from his position as project coordinator due to real-life issues.

Your drive coordinators – S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk) and Tea with toast (Talk)

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 04:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

GOCE coordinator

Hi Torchiest, Following The Utahraptor's resignation as a GOCE coordinator, I am writing to invite you to be co-opted as a Guild coordinator. One of the main areas where we need help is in the Membership department. Let me know if this is something that you would like to do. Of course, feel free to drop me a note if you have any questions. Thanks! – SMasters (talk) 05:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at User_talk:SMasters#Co-opting's talk page.

I have made the announcement on the GOCE's talk page, so it's now official. Congrats and thanks again for helping out. You can pick up your shiny badge from Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Userbox. Face-smile.svgSMasters (talk) 09:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Game designers

Thanks for your recent help in sourcing some of the game designer pages that are up for deletion. If you have the time, other articles similarly in need of sourcing include Marcelo Del Debbio, Ann Dupuis, Pete Fenlon, Geoffrey C. Grabowski, Rob Heinsoo, Gary Holian, ‎Jeff Koke, Christopher Kubasik, Scott Leaton, Chris Wiese, Ken Lightner, and Clinton R. Nixon. (talk) 23:37, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

ARK Music Factory vs. Ark Music Factory

Hello. I saw your recent post in the AfD for Friday. I'm trying to get opinions for what to do with the page for the record label. It appears that the original page was Ark Music Factory, which was deleted. Then it was recreated with all three letters of ARK being capitalized and that is how it stands today. If this subject is to stay notable, should we recreate the original page and move content over to there? Or is that just creating a notability debate nightmare? Illinois2011 (talk) 04:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Krank (song)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

It is now featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to place it there yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Congrats and topic for discussion

Hi - Congrats on your new role !

As you seem to be somewhat related to the D&D project I thought I would let you know of a discussion I have started on italicising at MoS text formatting. The subject is a bit more complex than just the individual projects, as I am coming across many uses of italics which are not covered by individual projects style guides.

Hope you can comment or add clarification on this matter :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC) Come to think of it I should probably give you the link to the article as he is D&D related Paul Jaquays. It was a GOCE request, I have put it on hold until I can clarify but if you want to take over I can see no problem with that solution? Chaosdruid (talk) 15:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I would restore the trees Guinness bit, but to the DSS article

Greetings, I'd submit the Guinness record for tree planting is still notable (but for the DSS article, not Singh's). Even if the record has been broken (also worth noting) it was impressive at the time, and is a clearly-documented and quantifiable accomplishment. Please note also I've suggested some references on the Discussion page for DSS; there's some good coverage of political agendas, Dalit issues, etc. that would help balance the over-laudatory DSS article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Good point. I'd found a source for all three drives together, but I can't find it now. I'll see if I can dig it up again. Torchiest talkedits 22:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

After we complete this article and Watchlist it like hawks, would you like to come with me to tackle the DSS article similarly? If you and I and a couple others team up, we could whip it into shape in no time. The refs I mention have some really intriguing stuff (not necessarily negative, just political machinations) that I'd love to add, particularly as Dalit conversion issues are of interest to me. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


When the article returns to FAC there will be an image review - it is not clear to me that an image review was done in the first FAC (so it might not have been commented on because the FAC closed before an image review was done). I would carefully read WP:NFCC and see if you think the cover art meets all the requirements or not.

I have taken lots of photos and made many maps for use here, but have never uploaded a sound file. Perhaps Wikipedia:Media help is a place to start (the tabs at top are to more detailed help). Wikipedia:Creation and usage of media files also looks useful. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


Looks like you got the most articles copyedited for March! I've been keeping up with your progress - good to see you working so hard for the betterment of the D&D Wikiproject and Wikipedia in general. :) BOZ (talk) 17:08, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It's been a lot of fun reading about all those old modules too! Torchiest talkedits 17:39, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Glad you feel that way. :) I'd like to get more of them up to GA one day, sooner or later! BOZ (talk) 03:20, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
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GOCE drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive report
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive! This newsletter summarizes the March drive and other recent events.

GOCE March 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

There were 99 signups for the drive; of these, 70 participated. Interest was high mainly due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page. We had a record-breaking 84 articles listed on the Requests page in March; 11 of these have been promoted to Good article status so far. Several of our recent efforts have received Featured Article status as well, and the GOCE is becoming a solid resource for the Wikipedia community. Many thanks to editors who have been helping out at the Requests page and by copy editing articles from the backlog.

Progress report

Remarkable progress was made in reducing the backlog this month, as we now have fewer than 500 articles remaining from 2009. We are well under the 4,000-article mark for the total number remaining in the queue. Since our backlog drives began in May 2010 with 8,323 articles, we have cleared more than 53% of the backlog. A complete list of results and barnstars awarded can be found here. Barnstars will be distributed over the next week. If you enjoyed participating in our event, you may also like to join the Wikification drives, which are held on alternate months to our drives. Their April drive has started.

New coodinators

On March 21, SMasters appointed Chaosdruid (talk) and Torchiest (talk) as Guild coordinators to serve in place of The Utahraptor, who recently stepped down. Please feel free to contact any coordinator if you have any questions or need assistance.

Your drive coordinators – S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk) and Tea with toast (Talk)

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 14:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Help with barnstars

Hi, Torchiest. I was wondering if you would have time to help hand out the barnstars from the March drive? With five people potentially able to help, we could have them all handed out really quickly! If you are interested, your task would be to send to people with usernames starting with the letters O through R (about ten persons). The document that gives barnstar results is here. Please let me know if you will not have time, and I will make other arrangements. Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

GOCE barnstars

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I award you this Copy Editor's Barnstar for insisting on clear, comprehensible, and grammatically correct articles. For copy editing 80 articles with a total of 53,741words (including rollover and bonuses) during the Guild of Copy Editors' March 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thanks for all your contributions!-SMasters (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Goce barnstar.png The Guild of Copy Editors' Award
Leaderboard Award–Most Articles–First Place
It is with great pleasure that I bestow on Torchiest the prestigious Guild of Copy Editors' Gold Star Award, for completing the most number of articles (80) – 1st Place – during the Guild of Copy Editors' March 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thank you for your contributions. – SMasters (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: 5151 E Broadway

Hello Torchiest, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of 5151 E Broadway, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. (talk) 07:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation in the March 2011 GAN backlog elimination drive

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On behalf of User:Wizardman and myself, we would like to take the time and thank you for your contributions made as part of the March 2011 Good articles backlog elimination drive. Awards and barnstars will go out shortly for those who have reviewed a certain number of articles.

During the backlog drive, in the month of March 2011,

  • 522 GA nominations were undertaken.
  • 423 GA nominations passed.
  • 72 GA nominations failed.
  • 27 GA nominations were on hold.

We started the GA backlog elimination drive with 378 GA nominations remaining, with 291 that were not reviewed at all. By 2:00, April 1, 2011, the backlog was at 171 GA nominations, with 100 that were left unreviewed.

At the start of the drive, the oldest unreviewed GA nomination was 101 days (Andrei Kirilenko (politician), at 20 November 2010, reviewed and passed 1 March 2011); at the end of the drive the oldest unreviewed GA nomination was 39 days (Gery Chico, at 24 February 2011, still yet to be reviewed as of this posting).

While we did not achieve the objective of getting the backlog of outstanding GA nominations down to below 50, we reduced the GA backlog by over half. The GA reviews also seemed to be of a higher quality and have consistently led, to say the least, to marginal improvements to those articles (although there were significant improvements to many, even on the some of the nominations that were failed).

If you would like to comment on the drive itself and maybe even make suggestions on how to improve the next one, please make a comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/March 2011#Feedback. Another GA backlog elimination drive is being planned for later this year, tentatively for September or October 2011. Also, if you have any comments or remarks on how to improve the Good article process in general, Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles can always use some feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles.

Again, on behalf of User:Wizardman and myself, thank you for making the March 2011 GA backlog elimination drive a success.

MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 21:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Drive page


Looks fine, only comment is the copy and paste - it needs a few modifications after pasting so may be better to use a "no wikis" and "brs" version. I have done one for you here User:Chaosdruid/sandbox1.

Sorry I haven't been around much - most recent bad luck was my graphics card which started playing up last week and finally gave up on Friday, running my spare now so hopefully should be ok for a while :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 21:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: Copy edit requests

Sorry, I didnt know. Are you going to to be the editor that is going to copyedit the page tho? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Too bad. I was hoping to find someone who at least can work on the opening paragraph and the Mubaraks section -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)