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Season's Greetings[edit]

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Wishing you a Charlie Brown
Charlie Russell Christmas! ๐ŸŽ„
Best wishes for your Christmas
Is all you get from me
'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus
Don't own no Christmas tree.
But if wishes was health and money
I'd fill your buck-skin poke
Your doctor would go hungry
An' you never would be broke."
โ€”C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914.
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Speaking as someone who doesn't know anything[edit]

Regarding the request for mediation for SIG MCX, you're right: there are too many parties and with a minimum of five "accept" votes needed, I can tell you right now that's probably a threshold too high. If I were to recommend striking editors who contributed very minimally (especially User:Therubicon, who hasn't contributed in a month but also User talk:Faceless Enemy, who had one substantial comment but nothing else and User:DHeyward, who hasn't discussed anything relevant in a month), what would happen? Would you strike them? Would User:Felsic2 have to? Etc.? RunnyAmiga (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to copy this to the mediation page's talk page and respond to it there. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Advice[edit]

In your capacity as a wise and experienced editor, what do you recommend I do at Talk:SIG MCXโ€Ž, etc, to discuss topics without them becoming so personal? Felsic2 (talk) 00:38, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

At this point, it would be inappropriate for me to engage with any individual party to the mediation case while the case is still pending. If the case is rejected, as seems likely at this point, I'll give you my thoughts on that point. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 02:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
There's no perfect way to do it, but the best way is to resolutely not engage: When personalities or incivility are employed, have a thick skin and simply refuse to respond to those things and continue to only address the content. If the incivility continues and the others will not engage on the content issues, then take the matter to an administrator or to ANI remembering that there is always the possibility of BOOMERANG. You might also be able to use a version of the recommendations at DISCFAIL in that situation before going to an administrator or ANI, since failing to discuss the content issues and only being willing to engage in discussions of personality or incivility is a version of not being willing to discuss at all. Let me end by saying that by saying this I am not implying that anyone involved in your dispute has been engaged in any of those things; I've not looked and have no opinion on that point, I'm just answering your question in the abstract. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I appreciate those suggestions, though none of them provide a clear path. I don't understand how Wikipedia doesn't allow content disputes to be settled in any systematic way. The content policies seem clear enough, but if editors choose to disregard them there's no way of correcting that. DISCFAIL seems very convoluted and destined to fail. Two efforts at dispute resolution have been rejected, with personal attacks or comments. And here you, a senior dispute resolution officer, seem to say that if I complain there's a good chance I'll be the one who gets punished. This is very discouraging. Felsic2 (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
"Possibility" does not equal "good chance". Prior to seeking conduct enforcement against others, only you can evaluate whether your conduct has been such that a BOOMERANG may occur, I was only alerting you to that possibility so that you could make that assessment before going in rather than having it blindside you if that issue is applicable. As for the settlement of disputes, Wikipedia doesn't allow content disputes to be adjudicated, because to do so flies in the face of the most basic principles on how Wikipedia works, through collaboration and consensus, and with the understanding that "no consensus" is a perfectly acceptable result under that system. Various forms of a content arbitration process have been proposed through the years (including one by me), but even those which diligently seek input from the entire community before making a decision have failed โ€” and I've come around to think properly so โ€” to gain approval from the community because in all of those proposals some committee or other small group of editors will eventually decide what content can and cannot be in the encyclopedia, and that's not what Wikipedia is about. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I understand some of that. I don't get why editors are allowed to flout civility rules in the process. It's one thing to be shouted down. It's another thing to be personally insulted over and over. "Collaboration" isn't really possible when editors ignore the content discussion and simply cast aspersions on their opponents. It's a pity that some arguments are won that way, rather than by the thoughtful discussion of rules and principles. I know there's nothing you can do about it. Thanks for doing what you can. Felsic2 (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Dispute definition[edit]

@TransporterMan, your message was brief: can you explain further? Is there a better page for dispute "dispute definition" questions? You haven't answered on my Talk Page; have you answered on someone else's Talk Page? Santamoly (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

See the "user conduct" section at DRR. โ€” TransporterMan (TALK) 14:18, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Question[edit]

I'm good to go at the DR/N, right? I'm on the list above implementation, or should I be on the one below? Atsme๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ง 22:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and you're on the official, substantially reduced, list of volunteers at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Volunteering#List_of_the_DRN_volunteers. Thanks for continuing to volunteer to help! Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:33, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

I have a question[edit]

Hello โ€” Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.25.29.10 (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Ask away. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Removing the warning from August 2016?[edit]

I forgot the rule: Are we allow to remove the warning from the talk page by ourselves if the issue is considered resolve? George Leung (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

You are always free to remove that kind of warning, resolved or not (as Anmccaff did as soon as it arrived). Removing it is, however, acknowledgement that you have received and read it. There are some kinds of warnings and notices which cannot be removed, but that's not one of them. Kudos to you and Anmccaff for working out your issues. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

WIR position at Amon Carter Museum of American Art[edit]

Hey TransporterMan, I wanted to reach out to you and offer any support or help you need while you are in the WIR position at the Amon Carter Museum of American Art. As GLAM-Wiki strategist at the Wikimedia Foundation, I would be happy to connect you with other Wikimedians who have considerable experience working on different parts of GLAM-Wiki outreach and partnerships. I would also, highly encourage you to makes sure to present about your work and attend: WikiConference North America this year. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I very much appreciate that and need the help... However, due to RW family health issues I'm having to take the month of September and probably a good sized chunk of October off. I'll probably give you a shout, however, once I gear back up on my return. Many thanks and best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 02:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Good to know! I will look forward to hearing from you. I hope the family's health turns around. Let me know when if I can help (also User:Sadads, so feel free to reach out in a volunteer capacity). Astinson (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Geography[edit]

Greetings! There appears to be a bit of a problem with the lede geographical location on Eritrea. One user is making contentious edits under the pretext that the RFC question is over. However, it has not yet expired much less been formally closed and the consensus assessed per WP:RFCEND. Could you please supervise the situation? Kind Regards-- Soupforone (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I do not mediate disputes at conduct article talk pages as it is not usually productive and the role of the mediator vs the disputants is not sufficiently clear. If, on the other hand, you're seeking an administrator to deal with conduct matters, I'm not an administrator. Your best path at this point would probably be to request a consensus evaluation at the administrator's noticeboard; I realize that the RFC isn't ended, but if individuals are claiming a clear consensus you can request an evaluation of that claim and also request administrator help there but โ€” and I'm not implying anything by this, just making sure you know โ€” beware the BOOMERANG. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

War of 1812 Mediation[edit]

Thanks very much for your help with the request for the War of 1812 mediation. IMHO, while it's a detailed page, the issue is that the page is dominated by mostly US Wikipedia editors who have one particular view of the result of the War of 1812. If their view is challenged, it's very hard to change that aspect of the page. So I guess they would be unlikely to agree to a mediation, while their view prevails (and to be honest, the mediation would have been long, and some of them were involved in a previous one, so they understandably may not have had the time). The War of 1812 is a contentious issue, as the view of who won breaks down on national lines, and I personally think that a lot of national feeling is involved in opinions of whether Britain won the war or the United states won, or whether there was a draw. In any case, It's being looked at as a bias issue currently, which is probably the more appropriate place considering the mediation was never likely to get started. Anyways, good on you for your work on Wikipedia....your a brave editor taking on mediations! Deathlibrarian (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2016 (UTC)