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Can you please revert your change to MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js?[edit]


Can you please revert your change to MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js? It's driving me absolutely crazy to suddenly have unnecessary extra trailing spaces within the citation popping up whenever I create a new reference using refToolbar, and as far as I am aware the existing precedent points towards the accepted format generated by refToolbar lacking spaces. I know that Headbomb requested this modification due to their personal opinion that the reference markup wraps and looks better in the editing window when trailing spaces are added, but making such a major change to a gadget used by such a large number of Wikipedia editors that modifies this kind of output styling functionality which has remained the way it is for years solely in response to a request from a single editor without bringing the question up for community review strikes me as overly hasty to say the absolute least. Breaking this functionality out into a user-customizable configuration option for refToolbar (a number of which already exist) would be far more appropriate. As it stands, because you made the change globally as a hard-coded change on a protected page, I'm now going to have to once again try to see if I can disable refToolbar for my account and reimplement it again entirely via my user js in order to revert this horrible change to the generated formatting. The amount of time I'm going to end up wasting on this will vastly exceed the amount of time it would have taken for you to have just done the right thing and made this change a new user-customizable option. Garzfoth (talk) 02:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I happen to think that the change is a good change (else I would not have done it). And that puts you and me at stalemate. Perhaps you should raise the issue at a forum more public than this backwater.
Trappist the monk (talk) 09:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Great, two people think it's a good idea, clearly we should unilaterally implement it in a widget used by a significant percentage of Wikipedia editors without offering them any practical way to revert this, right? Sooo sensible /s. Whatever, I don't really care enough to waste any more of my time on this at this point — I've already reimplemented the previous version of refToolbar/CiteTB on my user JS page, so it's no longer an issue for me, but any other editors who dislike this change yet lack the level of technical know-how/experience required to use and maintain this particular kind of workaround to the issue are still quite fucked... Garzfoth (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
That's mostly because it's a clear improvement, with real, tangible benefits, and you somehow insist on perceiving this as a ... not one and insist on making things more editor-unfriendly in the edit window? I really don't understand your objections to this. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:48, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
If you'd go spend some time working on infoboxes, specifically, both citing refs in infoboxes and dealing with fixing errors in infobox params, you should quickly start to understand why having trailing spaces is a major problem. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Garzfoth (talk) 06:27, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


Hi Trappist, thank you again for taking some time to help me out with the table. Have a good day.Dk1919 (talk) 11:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox captions[edit]

Hi. Is there a reason why the infobox caption=yes option is missing from the {{Infobox ship begin}} calls in some ship articles? I added it to a few (e.g. USS Kalamazoo (AOR-6)) when I noticed they looked kind of naked without it, but I thought I'd check with someone involved before going further (and it's starting to look like an AWB job anyway). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Some editors like captions on infoboxen, which is in keeping with MOS:INFOBOX – particularly §Consistency between infoboxes, and some editors don't like captions on infoboxen. So there you have it.
Trappist the monk (talk) 01:21, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Tevye lives!Face-smile.svg Maybe I shouldn't risk provoking an edit war so early in my burnout recovery. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC)