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Sorry for the edit on Morales Khirtle97 (talk) 23:03, 30 December 2016 (UTC) If you want to Check Jays Shop for yourself by all means do it it's there

Josh Donaldson Edits[edit]

Excuse me sir,

But please stop removing my edits on Josh Donaldson accomplishments and on the other pages. These edits keep Wikipedia fun and engaging. And they are not harmful and are in fact truthful in every way.

Thanks for your cooperation

bear030702 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bear030702 (talkcontribs) 01:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't your playground. If you continue to edit war you will be blocked from editing. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 02:00, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Chris Carter[edit]

Chris Carter has indeed been signed by the Yankees. An ESPN article is here: Also, Bob Nightingale, a USA today baseball columnist is reporting the deal is done as well.


The contract is not official until the team confirms the signing and Carter passes a physical. The source you provided clearly states that the deal is pending a physical. Please wait. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 20:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Javier Lopez retirement[edit]

He retired from MLB in 2017, not Giants in 2016. You want it under his Giants career section for 2016. That's in the wrong place and not where a person would look. Where else would it be appropriate, if not in the chronology in the intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muggsys (talkcontribs) 06:05, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

It's odd that you'd mention chronology in the lead section, because jamming it in immediately after the teams summary isn't chronological. The retirement news appears at the end of the lead section, and now in a separate "retirement" subsection with source. Please try to remember that this is a collaborative effort. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 06:14, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


Why are you deleting the edits on Nathan Eovaldi? The Rays have officially signed him so the edits are legitimate Nguarino42 (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

He is not retired he got signed by the Rays there was no wrong info added — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguarino42 (talkcontribs) 17:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

See this. The official source clearly states that the club has not confirmed the signing. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 17:25, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Image sizes[edit]

I often see you change from 270px to 250px. What is the significance of this, and should all always be consistent at 250? Muggsys (talk) 22:23, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

In the vast majority of cases images larger than 250px stretch the infobox, and are unnecessarily large in my opinion. I have always thought that the image should take up the full 250px of white space and no more. Exceptions to this would be in cases of images that are much larger vertically than they are horizontally, and vice-versa. When in doubt, use your best judgment. And as a minor side-note, the "px" at the end of the number adds nothing for the infobox. It doesn't take anything away, but it isn't needed to size the image. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Currently editing sections—conflicts[edit]

You saw that I was currently editing the page. No need to do edits at the same time and cause conflicts and losing the edits. Best to wait until one person is done. And since when is MLBTradeRumors a credible source? I remember you saying it can't be used, especially by the site's writers. I used a Rays source. Thanks. I'll let you at it now. Muggsys (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

First off, no. You can't see if someone else is editing a page at the same time as you. When transactions happen, it's best if an experienced editor gets in and adjusts the page with reliable sourcing to prevent anonymous/new editors jumping in (with good intentions, but poor execution usually). When a transaction happens, I usually make my edits to a page, then copy-paste the version that I have edited over a new, "fresh" version, which means I don't get the edit conflict warning. I had no idea that you had edited the page. As for sourcing, WP:TWITTER puts us in a slightly awkward situation, as the team source is preferable to a third party for confirming transactions, however the policy states that twitter isn't an appropriate source if it makes a claim about a third party. I would see both the twitter source you used and the MLBTradeRumors source I provided as suitable temporary sources, awaiting a team-issued press release or news article from MLB. To close, please try to not take things so personally. It should be obvious that we're both acting in good faith. "Thanks. I'll let you at it now." is troubling to me – please read the policy on page ownership. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:25, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I meant you'd know because you'd see edits being made a minute earlier. Unless it's someone I know is making bad edits or vandalizing, I try to wait for no more edits being made. Also when I edit and then try to save, it tells me there is a conflict with a page being currently being edited (or something along that line.) If you don't notice, sorry to think you "knew." But then when you post your edit, or I "resolve conflict" one of us will lose the current editing. It's not an issue with you, it's what happens to me when someone is editing at the same time as me.
I found the Rays twitter to be the most credible source, until we replace it with the team release. Rays twitter isn't any more a 3rd party than any other until their press release. Their twitter is considered an official announcement. Not Steve Adams. Better to cite Marc Topkin's twitter where that info came from, right? I've never made a MLBTR source, because you told me not to. Knowing it's an acceptable temp source is different then. I originally became more strict about what is a good enough source because of you. So don't take my citation suggestion as an attack. Saying "I'll let you at it" means, concerning the subject of concurrent edits, "I'm done right now." Not giving you or I ownership. I don't know if you have an issue over how active I've been editing, but no, nothing personal. Anyway, I more or less follow your lead. Muggsys (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I'm gonna back-track a bit. The long and short of it is, I think I've led you astray here. The official team source is always preferable (your Rays twitter source over the MLBTR source), and as I did say to you earlier, only a team source can confirm a transaction (as third-party sources would only be reporting on rumors or speculation). My edit was incorrect, in that your source was the reliable confirmation of the trade, and for removing your edit (though unintentional, due to my avoiding the edit conflict notification) I can only say that I'm sorry. Your twitter source is the preferable source, and I was incorrect to add an MLBTR source for the trade. And yes, the twitter source can and should be improved by the sourcing of a team's press release or official article confirming the transaction (when one becomes available). As for WP:OWN, I can say that, from my personal experience, WP admins take the policy very seriously, and that if you want to stick around here (which I encourage you to do) it would be best to avoid using any language that could lead another editor to believe that you are taking ownership of a page or pages. I have been accused in the past of "owning" pages related to the Toronto Blue Jays, and since then have tried to go the extra-step in ensuring that other editors do not think that. There is a fine line between taking an interest and taking ownership. With regards to "taking things personally", this is again something that I'm drawing from my own personal experience here. Some folks get very territorial and/or angry when someone edits their work. As I've said many times in the past, WP is a collaborative effort, and we're all working together. It appeared to me that you may have been taking my edits personally, though looking back on it now it is clear to me that you were in the right, and that I was incorrect. There was nothing personal about it. Hopefully I've managed to clear the air here, but if you have further concerns please leave another message. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 00:47, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


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I noticed you are one of the top editors to True Detective, would welcome your input and help at the GA Review. Shearonink (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Team Canada Template[edit]

Justin Shafer, Brad Allen, Chris Rowley, and John Stilson are not on team Canada. When WBC teams play MLB teams, they are allowed to use the MLB teams minor league depth in order to finish games, so they don't use all their pitchers. For example, a minor league lefty named Jose Fernandez also pitched for Team Canada and he is not Canadian. He just pitched an inning so Team Canada didn't tire out all their resources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwaysright987 (talkcontribs) 23:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

My bad - thanks for cleaning up my mess. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 00:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Combining sources[edit]

It's really not a problem. One of the tasks User:AnomieBOT does is rescue orphaned references. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:53, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Good to know - learn something new every day. I've seen the bot edit pages on my watchlist before but never really paid much attention what it was doing. Thanks. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 15:17, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


I see all the great work you are doing on the 2017 Toronto Blue Jays season page, and I would like to give you encouragement and thank you.--Boardg (talk) 21:38, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Chris Rowley[edit]

I don't see it nominated at WP:DYK. First MLB Military Academy graduate is a good hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Very true. I've never submitted a DYK before, so I'll see if I can fumble my way through it. Thanks. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 19:01, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
It's not too hard, and if it's one of your first five nominations you're not required to do the quid pro quo review. Though it's still recommended. Let me know if you have any issues. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Will do. I'm not sure how comfortable I am reviewing someone else's work without knowing much about DYK, but I'll look into it and see if there's anything I can offer. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 20:19, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Chris Rowley[edit]

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DYK for Chris Rowley[edit]

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


Is it acceptable to have the Los Angeles Angels template in the Thundersticks article? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. Thundersticks aren't like the rally monkey, in that they aren't "exclusive" to the franchise. I've got a number of uninflated thundersticks kicking around my house, mostly from Leafs games. I can't say for sure that the inclusion isn't in a policy somewhere, but I wouldn't think so. I'd be in favour of removing it. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 02:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I second the removal. The Angels don't have a monopoly on thundersticks; all of the other 29 MLB teams have them as well and many other professional sports leagues have them as well. The Sleeved blanket article also doesn't have the Angels template there, despite Angels fans were recorded by Guinness World Records for having the largest gathering of people wearing sleeved blankets. This is because the Angels don't have a monopoly on sleeved blankets. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge submissions[edit]

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Edited without loggining in[edit]

I am only using one account and it's the one you blocked from editing (Aggiefan47). Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:45A0:A9E0:E8B7:9F58:DF4E:B708 (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for admitting you are abusing IP accounts to continue to edit Wikipedia. These IPs and any others you use will be blocked. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 18:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Dee Gordon[edit]

It's on espn the athletic and MLB trade rumors. What else do u need ? Mr Gordon to call you himself to tell you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliastroadmire (talkcontribs) 22:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

The teams involved need to confirm the trade, which is more than likely pending physical evaluations. They have not done this yet. This is standard WP:BASEBALL practice. Trades can and have been cancelled due to the results of physicals. We wait until it becomes official. If you continue to disrupt the page you will be blocked from editing. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:34, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
And 30 seconds later, it's official. See the difference? Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

A different Dee Gordon complaint[edit]

Dee Gordon will not be playing second base for the Mariner’s - would be nice to see accurate information - thanks :) TravelBud (talk) 00:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Hasn't happened yet. Per WP:CRYSTAL, we don't predict the future. Stating the Mariners plan to play him in the outfield (with a reliable citation) in the Mariners section would be best for now. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 01:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
No one said anything about predicting the future - it’s stated by the team - why than put a position for each player - please include citation where you got that he is a second baseman for the Mariner’s TravelBud (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Gordon hasn't played a single MLB out in the outfield (See the standard fielding section). Regardless of where the Mariners intend to play him, the infobox can and should reflect the position(s) he has played for the majority of his career to this point, and definitely should not include positions he has not played yet. By placing "outfielder" in the infobox, you are attempting to predict an expected future event, which violates WP:CRYSTAL (and specifically, "Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative.") It's for that reason that we also do not add "Seattle Mariners (2018–present)" to Gordon's infobox until he appears in a regular season game for Seattle. I don't know how I can explain this any clearer to you, so I now consider the matter closed. If you want to take it further please open a discussion at WP:BASEBALL, though you shouldn't expect to find support for your position. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 17:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Jake McGee[edit]

I didn't realize the initial vandalism preceded the article. Good job putting that timeline together. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

I've had that gem in cold-storage until today. Someone is trying to "pull a Mike Trout". Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
You'd think he'd be more creative, or pick a bigger target. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
It would probably be a good idea to document this on Talk:Jake McGee, much as you did at WP:RPP. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Will do - hopefully it'll be of some use to other editors unfortunate enough to get dragged into this. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)