User talk:Val Brown

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Deletion request[edit]

Please delete any page associated with me ASAP. I have neither the time nor the stomach to play this game. Thank you

Val Brown (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)



I am sorry that I am very new to Wikipedia and not particularly skilled on carrying out either editing or pages moves: helpful and considerate advice would have been be more welcome than destructive criticism. All I wanted to do was to put up a page about Dr Louisa Martindale who in my opinion is notable, certainly here in Brighton . I suspect that not one of the <editors> to these pages have in fact read her autobigraphical book <A Women Surgeon> or that of her sister <From One Generation to Another> . No reason for the award of the CBE is given so none is citied. This is my first visit to Wikipedia and will be my last: the <editors> appear to be a club of critics who happily descend like vultures upon new and tender meat.... but from the safety of their armchairs rather than actually looking at original sources, all under the impression that a proliferation of links equals academic superiority. Wikipedia is notorious for disseminating incorrect information and I can now clearly see how perpetuation of errors is manufactured. Mrs Martindale was never a <sufragette>. I have studied Dr Martindale and her mother for some years now and I maintain that my opinion of their value to women's history both local to Brihgton and Sussex and in general is as good if not considerably better than yours. I do not use the word <lesbian> about her and never will.

For this reason alone as far as I am concerned the pages on the Martindale women can be deleted ASAP - and also the one I was going to write on Mrs Martindale. Val Brown (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)Val Brown 17 December 2008


Page move =[edit]

Your recent move of Louisa Brown to Mrs Louisa Brown does not conform to Wikipedia page naming conventions. If there is confusion, add a disambiguation phrase in parentheses after the name. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Redirect[edit]

I removed the redirect of your talk page to the talk page of Dr Louisa Martindale as it is against Wikipedia policy to redirect your talk page. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Speedy deletion of Mrs Louisa Martindale[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Mrs Louisa Martindale requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Confusion[edit]

You have created a few pages, with moves and redirects, to the point where I am now somewhat befuddled. Apparently there are two people named Louisa Martindale: one who is a doctor and one who is not. To be clear, you should create two pages: one titled simply Louisa Martindale, and the other titled Louisa Martindale (doctor) (or some other such term that will clarify). This is the standard Wikipedia naming convention. (I should note that neither subject appears to be notable enough for their own article.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Speedy deletion of Dr Louisa Martindale[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Dr Louisa Martindale requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Dr Louisa Martindale[edit]

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I have nominated Dr Louisa Martindale, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr Louisa Martindale. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Louisa Martindale (feminist)[edit]

Hi Val

I'm sorry you've had such a rough ride here. In my opinion, both the surgeon Louisa Martindale and the feminist of the same name are unquestionably notable. I've restored your work on the latter page. If you were able to add more information that would be very helpful. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Ms. Brown, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that, and I hope I phrased it delicately enough in the article: I've tried to place the words in the mouths of scholars, so to speak. But I do think (and the American academic community of Victorian scholars agrees, as far as I can ascertain) that there are so many different 'lifestyles' (I hate that word) captured under the euphemism you cite that the phrase is not always useful. Then again, the US is in many ways more prudish, and much can be gained here from some openness. That's what I think, at least, but I'm sure you've also noticed that many of these women now seem to be exhumed and their personal lives delved into. Sometimes that goes too far, but I think on the whole it's a useful project to investigate the past more decisively. Anyway, I'm glad you started the article; you've certainly sparked my interest. (And of course this woman was notable, no matter the AfD process.) Espresso Addict and I have been working on her mother's article; neither of these women will ever be threatened with Deletion from Wikipedia again, I should think. And also, I hope the WP community has't lost you--my library does not have your book, but I'm sure a couple of these hospitals deserve entries too. Your contributions are valued, even if they are sometimes criticized and often "edited mercilessly" (I cite from the screen below). Rest assured, mine are too. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
"her brother James Spicer's great-granddaughter"--right, thanks. I even drew up the family tree, and still bungled it. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

... and a happy new year. Hope to run into you again on Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)