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Hello, Van Gulik and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking Insert-signature.png if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! --Njavallil ...Talk 2 Me 14:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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Your signature[edit]

Hi. Per WP:SIGLINK, your signature should contain a link to your user page or user talk page - not Robert van Gulik, a mainspace article. Please change it. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 18:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

On your userpage, you write: "Please notify me if any pages which you think I would be interested in are in need of attention". So, I think you might be interested in my response to your comment here. 77.124.12.169 (talk) 12:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Are there any sandhi rules in biblical Hebrew? Do changes in vowel pointing constitute as 'sandhi'? Again, thank you for your response.Van Gulik (talk) 14:34, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Not only changes in vowel pointing, but also changes in consonants. e.g.
  • The consonants b,d,g,k,p,t, become v,the,gh,kh,f,thaw, after vowels (providing that those consonants are not "doubled");
  • In some well-defined phonetic conditions, the consonant ת in Pre-biblical texts - becomes ט in biblical texts (e.g. in the word הִצְטַעֵר, and likewise);
  • The consonant cluster NP in ancient biblical texts (e.g. in the word לִנְפּוֹל i.e. LiNPoL - as appearing in Psalms), becomes PP in biblical prose (e.g. לִפּוֹל i.e. LiPPoL);
  • In some well-defined phonetic conditions, the consonant H in ancient biblical texts, is omitted in biblical prose (e.g. the word בהשמים i.e. BHaSHaMaYiM - as appearing in Psalms, becomes בשמים i.e. BaSHaMaYiM - in the biblical prose texts);
  • And the like.
Anyways, I'm not sure whether one may call those phonetic phenomena "sandhi", unless one also calls the phonetic phenomena in English "sandhi", e.g. the phenomenon of adding the "e" (in "finishes"), or of changing the "d" into "t" (in "attain"), and the like.
77.127.87.159 (talk) 19:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Counting in Nahuatl[edit]

Hi VG,

Wondering if you can tell me anything about counting in Nahuatl. Do they have separate words for counts of different kinds (e.g., food versus money)? Do they distinguish cardinal from ordinal numbers? Olamim (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know that much about numbers yet, but there is only distinction between the plural and singular of a noun for animate objects and personified nouns. Verbs' "indefinite prefixes", attached to the verb root showing that an indefinite amount of something is being eaten; this too shows a difference between the animate and the inanimate.(the animate is 'te' and the inanimate is 'tla') You could check out the Navajo page; Navajo verbs differentiate number for different classes of words, similar to Cherokee. But, sadly, I don't know about the Nahuatl numbers- yet.Van Gulik (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

You're invited to Wiki-Gangs of New York @ NYPL on April 21![edit]

Wiki-Gangs of New York: April 21 at the New York Public Library
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Join us for an an civic edit-a-thon, Wikipedia meet-up and instructional workshop that will be held this weekend on Saturday, April 21, at the New York Public Library Main Branch.
  • Venue: Stephen A. Schwarzman Building (NYPL Main Branch), Margaret Liebman Berger Forum (Room 227).
  • Directions: Fifth Avenue at 42nd Street.
  • Time: 11 a.m. - 5 p.m. (drop-ins welcome at any time)

The event's goal will be to improve Wikipedia articles and content related to the neighborhoods and history of New York City - No special wiki knowledge is required!

Also, please RSVP!--Pharos (talk) 18:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Shas[edit]

There are several parties in Israel for which normal political positions cannot be detailed because different parts of their platforms are in total contrast to the others. Shas is one of these - whilst it is quite anti-Arab and socially conservative, being ultra-orthodox does not necessarily make it right-wing. In contrast, the party's economic agenda could be seen as rather left-wing - for instance it supports large welfare payments. It is impossible to give the party a place in the political spectrum, and its political position should just be something like "ultra-orthodox interest", as that's pretty much the only reason for its existence. Number 57 20:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. The issue is similar where I live; most of the Orthodox who live in Boro Park are quite socially conservative, but most of them vote for Democrats because of their economic ideas.Van Gulik (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Bangladesh[edit]

I'll have a structure diagram ready to go by the end of the day. -- Aricci526 13:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

That's wonderful! Thank you so much.Van Gulik (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

resources for you[edit]

Check out the website nostratic dot net. Click the EN link at the top right if you get the Russian version to read the English. (It is blocked as a "spam" website by wikipedia, so I cannot link to it directly for you.) You can find the full text of much of the pro- and anti- Altaic material and a whole lot more there, including Clauson's "The case against the Altaic languages. Sinor is another critic, as is Vovin who declares that after reading Starostin's disastrous dictionary he is against Altaic. Let me know if you find the site successfully, especially its "E-Library". μηδείς (talk) 02:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a wonderful resource, Medeis. This'll keep me busy for a while! I found the section on numerals especially interesting. Thank you so much.Van Gulik (talk) 03:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, a good year's worth of reading there. My personal interest is in Greenberg's Eurasiatic, which I have studied in depth. Except for his bizarre inclusion of Ainu, it's a valid clade. I can give you recommendations of resources to read if you are interested in the topic. Along with references already mentioned, I very highly recommend Fortescue's Across the Bering Straight. I have read the available comparative dictionaries and grammars for PIE, Turkish (Decsy), Uralic (Collinder), Yukaghir (grammar: Maslova, dictionary: Nikolaeva), Kamchadal and Chukchi-Kamchatkan (Fortescue), Eskimo-Aleut (Fortescue) and Ainu (Vovin). μηδείς (talk) 03:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I had half an hour in the local library, so I started on Greenberg's Language in the Americas, in preparation for reading his work on Nostratic. Across the Bering Strait looks really interesting; has it been updated for the recent Dene-Yeniseian thought? What is your opinion of that theory?Van Gulik (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd probably rather answer that on the ref desk (1) to get other people's input, and (2) so the answers will be searchable in the archives. But if you'd rather not post your question there I will answer here. μηδείς (talk) 00:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd be fine with that, by all means. How should I phrase the question?Van Gulik (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Easy, you ask the question or questions you want answered. (Just one at a time, hopefully.) Oddly enough someone did just ask about the Athabaskans on the humanities page. In the meantime the website I pointed you to above has Merritt Ruhlen's original paper the Dene Yeniseian connection as well as the more recent and better received "proof". As for Language in the Americas, it is prima facie valid. I have amassed a small library of Amerind grammars. The problem is the topic is so broad and the quantity of comparative work so little that any comprehensive work is outside the scope of one human lifetime to fully evaluate. Eurasiatic is much easier to deal with, given the availability of comparative dictionaries and grammars for all its subbranches in English except for Nivkh (undoubtedly Eurasiatic) which lacks an English dictionary. Nevertheless, unlike the case of Ainu, which I can say from the evidence it seems absurd to include in Eurasiatic, I have not come across anything casting doubt on any branch of Amerind. μηδείς (talk) 03:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ecuador[edit]

Apologies for the long delay in replying, I was on holiday in Vancouver. I made a structure diagram for Ecuador, though frankly I think the original on the Spanish wikipedia probably is a better piece of work assuming that the ordering of the parties has a clearer logic than does mine (not being an expert in the politics of Ecuador, I couldn't honestly say). Mine is located here [1] but I put the Spanish version into the article. If you prefer my version then by all means change it. -- Aricci526 13:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem with regards to the delay. Thanks so much for the file. I'll have to think about which one to use; I do agree that the ordering is very clear for the Spanish diagram. Hope you enjoyed Vancouver! :)Van Gulik (talk) 13:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

legationem[edit]

Modum una adepto induite list latinæ legatio? Auxilium volo si fieri potest, quid faciam? Plane perspectam habeo quod lingua Anglorum in casu in anglicus egestas sit amet.ad Intellige ad nuntius 22:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Status nōn exactus erat; Emendavit statum. Cui commentariolo vis me opem ferre? Multas gratias. (In the future, please use English on talk pages so that editors who don't speak Latin can understand.)Van Gulik (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1[edit]

You are invited to Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at meetup.com!--Pharos (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Latin wiki[edit]

Salve Van Gulik, Is there a place where I can ask for help? The administrators (magisters) over at the latin wiki are a bit extreme, or cultic. I'm sure my grammar is correct but they seem to abuse this dub sig notifications. In this instance, there is no 'classic latin' word for identity. Identitas is considered new or medieval latin. This is not the only instance of abuse but there are others. The article was 'improved by the way' meaning a lot of the core ideas were simply removed. So you have great grammar with hardly any content. Thanks.--Jondel (talk) 06:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jondel. That does seem a bit extreme. I guess the best place to start would be to check in with the magisters themselves to (politely) ask them about this quite unfair policy of theirs. If that doesn't help, and this problem persists and interferes with the edits of others, maybe talking to the ArbCom could be helpful. Some Wikipedia policies and rules of thumb seem outlandish and extreme at first glance; there may be a reasonable answer not obvious to both of us at the moment. If this 'policy' turns out to be a personal preference of the administrator(s) in question, that is certainly abusive. I hope that was helpful! Let me know if you have any more questions. Van Gulik (talk) 00:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23[edit]

Doing the "Open Space" thing at one of our earlier NYC Wiki-Conferences.

You are invited to celebrate Wikipedia Day and the 12th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site at Wikipedia Day NYC on Saturday February 23, 2013 at New York University; sign up for Wikipedia Day NYC here, or at bit.ly/wikidaynyu. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14[edit]

Hi Van Gulik! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

Please sign up, and add your ideas to the agenda for Sunday. Thanks!

Delivered on behalf of User:Pharos, 17:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership - We need you!
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Hi Van Gulik! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Multilingual editors are welcome! (But being multilingual is not a requirement.) Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! SarahStierch (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

NYC Wiki-Picnic: Saturday June 22[edit]

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You are invited to the Great American Wiknic NYC in Brooklyn's green and lovely Prospect Park, on this Saturday June 22! We would love to see you there, so sign up and bring something fun for the potluck :) -- User:Pharos (talk)

Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7[edit]

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Please join Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn scavenger hunt on September 7, 2013!
Everyone gather at the Brooklyn Public Library to further Wikipedia's coverage of—
photos and articles related to Brooklyn, its neighborhoods and the local landmarks.
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Wikimedia NYC Meetup! Saturday October 5[edit]

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Please join the Wikimedia NYC Meetup on October 5, 2013!
Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for education, museums, libraries and planning WikiConference USA.
--Pharos (talk) 21:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon! Saturday November 2[edit]

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Please join Wikipedia "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon on November 2, 2013!
Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for Greenwich Village articles on the history and the community.
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Wikipedian in community notice[edit]

Dear Van Gulik

As a Wikipedian interested in African subjects and specifically Uganda, we thought you might be interested in the following opportunity.

WikiAfrica is looking for a Wikipedian in Community from Uganda to play a pivotal role in its Kumusha Takes Wiki project. This might be a position that you would consider. Or it could be the perfect opportunity for someone you know from this country, please spread the word! For more details, please look at this page: http://www.wikiafrica.net/call_for_wir_en/

If you have any questions about the above, please contact isla on isla [at] wikiafrica [dot] net : Isla Haddow (talk)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6[edit]

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Please join Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon on December 6, 2013!
Everyone gather at Queens Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for borough articles on the history and the communities.
Drop-ins welcome 10am-7pm!--Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon[edit]

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Please join Wikipedia "Art and Feminism Editathon" @ Eyebeam on Saturday February 1, 2014,
an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Wikipedia articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists!

There are also regional events that day in Brooklyn, Westchester County, and the Hudson Valley.
--Pharos (talk)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon[edit]

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon
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You are invited to join upcoming Wikipedia "Editathons", where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on a selected theme, on the following two Saturdays in March:

I hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

Upcoming Saturday event - June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC
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You are invited to join us at Jefferson Market Library for "Wiki Loves Pride", hosted by New York Public Library, Metropolitan New York Library Council, Wikimedia LGBT and Wikimedia New York City, where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on this theme:

11am–4pm at Jefferson Market Library.

We hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–8pm at southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater.

Also, before the picnic, you can join in the Wikimedia NYC chapter's annual meeting.

11:30am-12:30pm at Yeoryia Studios, 2067 Broadway.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

2pm–5pm at Yeoryia Studios at Epic Security Building, 2067 Broadway (5th floor).

Afterwards at 5pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

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Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop in Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

6:30pm–8pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Afterwards at 8pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

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Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Population update project[edit]

Hi. The 18th edition of Ethnologue just came out, and if we divide up our language articles among us, it won't take long to update them. I would appreciate it if you could help out, even if it's just a few articles (5,000 articles is a lot for just me), but I won't be insulted if you delete this request.

A largely complete list of articles to be updated is at Category:Language articles citing Ethnologue 17. The priority articles are in Category:Language articles with old Ethnologue 17 speaker data. These are the 10% that have population figures at least 25 years old.

Probably 90% of the time, Ethnologue has not changed their figures between the 17th and 18th editions, so all we need to do is change "e17" to "e18" in the reference (ref) field of the language info box. That will change the citation for the artcle to the current edition. Please put the data in the proper fields, or the info box will flag it as needing editorial review. The other relevant fields are "speakers" (the number of native speakers in all countries), "date" (the date of the reference or census that Ethnologue uses, not the date of Ethnologue!), and sometimes "speakers2". Our convention has been to enter e.g. "1990 census" when a census is used, as other data can be much older than the publication date. Sometimes a citation elsewhere in the article depends on the e17 entry, in which case you will need to change "name=e17" to "name=e18" in the reference tag (assuming the 18th edition still supports the cited claim).

Remember, we want the *total* number of native speakers, which is often not the first figure given by Ethnologue. Sometimes the data is too incompatible to add together (e.g. a figure from the 1950s for one country, and a figure from 2006 for another), in which case it should be presented that way. That's one use for the "speakers2" field. If you're not sure, just ask, or skip that article.

Data should not be displayed with more than two, or at most three, significant figures. Sometimes it should be rounded off to just one significant figure, e.g. when some of the component data used by Ethnologue has been approximated with one figure (200,000, 3 million, etc.) and the other data has greater precision. For example, a figure of 200,000 for one country and 4,230 for another is really just 200,000 in total, as the 4,230 is within the margin of rounding off in the 200,000. If you want to retain the spurious precision of the number in Ethnologue, you might want to use the {{sigfig}} template. (First parameter in this template is for the data, second is for the number of figures to round it off to.)

Dates will often need to be a range of all the country data in the Ethnologue article. When entering the date range, I often ignore dates from countries that have only a few percent of the population, as often 10% or so of the population isn't even separately listed by Ethnologue and so is undated anyway.

If Ethnologue does not provide a date for the bulk of the population, just enter "no date" in the date field. But if the population figure is undated, and hasn't changed between the 17th & 18th editions of Ethnologue, please leave the ref field set to "e17", and maybe add a comment to keep it so that other editors don't change it. In cases like this, the edition of Ethnologue that the data first appeared in may be our only indication of how old it is. We still cite the 14th edition in a couple dozen articles, so our readers can see that the data is getting old.

The articles in the categories linked above are over 90% of the job. There are probably also articles that do not currently cite Ethnologue, but which we might want to update with the 18th edition. I'll need to generate another category to capture those, probably after most of the Ethnologue 17 citations are taken care of.

Jump in at the WP:LANG talk page if you have any comments or concerns. Thanks for any help you can give!

kwami (talk) 02:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)