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Re: Juve 11[edit]

@Messirulez: Hey, tough draw today after being 2-0 up... Unfortunately these 2:45 games over here are not gonna work for me. I saw the highlights and kept up a bit with live commentary. That first goal was so nice, Pjanic picking out Higuain who was basically uncovered and what a nice volley that was to the bottom corner. Too bad he couldn't get his second penalty in...looked like Lloris read he was gonna go in the middle, but the bar got it...I wonder if it would've gone in with all that power if it was just below. I think I read Buffon made a couple good saves, but that was kind of a gaffe on the goal. Kane was coming in with pace, but Buffon probably should've went in with a slide, but I guess it was kinda close to the edge of the box. Their last goal was really stupid. We should've done way better to defend that free kick. He had such a clear lane to just shoot it at the bottom there. Can't deny their two away goals are pretty good, but I think it should be fine in the return. Hopefully we can catch Napoli by then and Juve can seal the quarters in early March. Oh and also, I don't know if you have Netflix, but there's going to be this, what looks to be a pretty cool docuseries that followed Juve last year in their dressing rooms and the pitch and has interviews and such with players, and it comes out this Friday. Pretty pumped to see this. Parliamo dopo! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 23:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Yeah, I'm so annoyed about the result today. I was so excited after a such great start (two goals in under 10 minutes...), and then we somewhow blew it, and now it will be so tough in the second leg...not only a draw at home, but they got two away goals... We can still pull it off, but this is probably the result they dreamed of bringing into the second leg. I hope we can do it once everyone is back and fit (we really missed Matuidi in midfield). I can't believe we gave up a lead like that and that we resorted to playing behind the ball at home and letting them control possession. I know we had injuries, but come on, we still have a good team as well and much more experience in Europe than Spurs do. Higuain started off so well with that excellent run and volley off of Pjanic's clever free kick as you said, but then he had to miss that penalty right before half time (even the first one was lucky to go in after Lloris had guessed the right way, but thankfully it was a hard shot), and even that chance on the counterattack after linking up so well with Pjanic, yes it was hard, but it's so frustrating that he often doesn't convert those chances in big games. Yeah, Gigi made an error of judgement on Kane's goal; I think he thought he was younger and could've gotten there before, because now he isn't one to rush out like that anymore, even though he almost always used to anticipate strikers when he was young, and his momentum allowed Kane to rush past him. The reason why I think he didn't go in for the challenge was because he realised he wasn't going to get there in time and that if he tried to tackle him he would probably risk taking him out and either concede a penalty or be sent off...and yes, the equaliser was also annoying, how the wall moved at the end and Buffon took a slight step because of that and that basically caused him to miss the shot... I really hope we can come back in the second leg, and yeah it would be nice to try and catch Napoli and hopefully not win every match by grinding out a 1-0 win by the skin of our teeth, even though as always my main concern is Europe...I would be absolutely pissed off if we went out in the second round like this, even more than if we lost the Serie A title to be honest. Yeah, I heard about that should be interesting, and I'm curious to watch it as well! Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 05:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hi! What a game today! Even just me looking at the commentary I was on edge. I heard Juve had a clear penalty call by Vertongen on Costa, with the linesman right in front of it! It didn't seem like we got out to a good start in the first half as Tottenham clearly had more of the ball and 5+ shots at net. Son apparently had a Ronaldo-like game, but that goal was so damn lucky to go in...flutter and Buffon wasn't expecting that as he went down before the kick. Two goals seemed like an enormous feat away from home, but I had a feeling if Tottenham did it last leg, then Juve has to do it now. Almost out of nothing, Higuain gets the job done, then that Dybala breakaway and that finish was superb. It can be so easy to hit those right at the keeper. So happy we get to move on, and for Buffon, although the next draw looks like it will be really tough with almost every team being of caliber except maybe Shakhtar. Last Serie A weekend was great with Dybala scoring and the death against Lazio to take victory, and Roma beating Napoli, it looks better now. Unfortunately, the next day we were saddened by Astori's passing, which shocked the footballing world. I checked his English wiki page got almost 500,000 views, with the Italian wiki page almost getting 1,000,000 views. It is really scary to see that happen out of the blue. TFC didn't get off to a good start with the home opener loss, but are doing alright in the CL as they came back 2-1 from 1-0 down to Tigres, but will still be tough to get even a draw in Mexico. Hopefully they can do it like Juve. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 03:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I know! I must admit I thought we were screwed when Spurs scored, especially as they were keeping the ball afterwards and creating more chances, as you said, and I was really annoyed; but yes, I think I still had that inkling of hope as well, as we had more experience, that we might also be able to pull off a comeback, but I still didn't expect it, I must be honest, especially as our mindset seemed to be quite negative initially! Yeah, Gigi has been a bit iffy recently, and he slipped on the goal before the shot, otherwise I think he would've saved it in spite of Son's scuffed shot which ended up wrong-footing Chiellini (yeah he played well overall, sort of like Cristiano Ronaldo, although back in his Man U days; I might be a bit biased, as I'm not a huge fan of his, but now I don't think Ronaldo is the best comparison as he sort of isn't involved in anything and suddenly he will make a run and head in a cross :P). I hope he can pick things up again and have a good season, and it would be amazing if he could finally win himself the Champions League; he's still had to make a couple of decent saves at least. and then when Allegri brought on Asamoah and Lichtsteiner fairly early on in the second half I thought he was crazy, as I think it was probably since Conte's days that we hadn't played with both of them as wing-backs, but in the end they proved to be key in our comeback, and in the space of five minutes we had turned the game around, which was crazy! Chiello had a crazy game in the second half even though he struggled a bit in the first half, and we defended well after we had the lead, and Higuain was brilliant both to run onto Khedira's header, and then to drop back, hold up the ball and send a perfect throughball to meet Dybala's run, who did really well to time his run against the defensive line's movement inwards, and he also waited for Lloris to go down a bit before finishing; really glad for both of them, and hopefully this will help their confidence in Europe! I'm really glad we went through the quarter-finals, but it won't be easy as there are many good teams as you said, and we need to play better than we did agaisnt Spurs if we do want to progress. Yeah, Dybala got a great goal against Lazio, and Napoli lost, which was crazy; I didn't expect that, and it's sort of changed things in the league, and Juve are in the Coppa Italia final, so the season is looking better now, even though my dream is to go far in Europe and possibly even manage to win a European title, even though it won't be easy. Yeah, it was so sad about Astori; he was still so young, and yes, it's shocking for someone who is an athlete to just die like that from a heart attack in his sleep. It's heartwarming to see the effect it had on the footballing world at least (btw, why is that user being so annoying about sources for medals? none of the major good articles, like Messi's have sources for them, and later on in the body of the article, there was a cited passage which stated that he scored in the victorious bronze medal match). Yeah, a good win for TFC agaisnt Tigres in their Champions League quarter-final after a disappointing loss in the MLS home opener; it's a shame about the away goal, but they played quite well and it was nice to get the win right at the end, and hopefully they can pull off a result in Mexico, even though it won't be easy playing there against such a good side. It would be awesome for them to reach the semifinals again (yeah, hopefully they can pull off a good result away like Juve did; I was thinking that myself!), although it seems like they will have another tough draw if they do progreess (I would love to see them win it; maybe if Juve win the UEFA Champions League they can face each other in the FIFA Club World Cup ;) ). They certainly have acquired some interesting players though; hopefully they will do well and help the team in the Champions League. Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
@Messirulez: Yes, it did seem like they may have been down and out, but I also had an inkling they could make it back, more so than when Italy faced Sweden...But yeah, if it went into extra time, that would've been bad as everyone was getting tired. That clearance by Barzagli off the line was already too much. Inter face Napoli on the weekend so hopefully Inter can pull something off there as well. But yeah, that user can be a little annoying when it comes to that. I guess he does it all over, but I think he does it especially for Italians because he knows we will find him a source! It really is a friggin lazy thing to do to just remove them like that without a two second Google search or looking within wiki pages to find a source. I've never seen medals in an infobox sourced before that's why we were probably perplexed. It also annoys me when people pick and choose which articles they randomly delete info from. He did it a couple days ago on Luigi Riva removing his stats table, as he did with Giacinto Facchetti a couple months ago, which I reverted with a source, which I'm sure you saw and then cleaned etc. Anyway, yes, hopefully they can do well in CL and have a dream matchup at a FCWC! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 05:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Italy/U-21 6[edit]

@Messirulez: Hey how have you been? Long time no talk! You hear about the new UEFA Nations League? I think this will be a cool concept to have a sort of league for national teams which can replace some meaningless friendlies as this tournament can be competitive to avoid relegation to a lower league group, and can allow you to qualify for the Euros. So Italy are with Poland and Portugal which will still be challenging, but hopefully we can qualify the regular way anyway! The only thing I find kind of strange is that very weak teams such as the ones in League D have the same chance to qualify the same as the tougher league groups like in League A. It would be honestly a waste of a spot for any team in league D to qualify, but the way I'm seeing it laid out on the wiki page is that one of them will qualify for certain through this route.
I didn't expect FIGC to not reach a decision on the president, so Fabbricini will be the commissioner for now I guess. I'm curious to see Di Biagio as interim manager for our March friendlies against some good sides, as he's been decent with the U-21 side. I think right now Mancini may be the favourite to take over the CT at the end of the season, but now maybe a return of Conte if he were to get sacked from Chelsea. I'm starting to see commercials for the WC on TV now and it is a painful reminder lol...
What I found really interesting this morning though was that Di Biagio is leaning towards calling up Balo...and Buffon! Balo I think would really be a no brainer at this point to once and for all give him a shot after 3 years and for Ventura for being so stubborn. Buffon, if he were to actually get a call, would be the surprise. I mean, he did say that he would never not reject a call up from Italy even when he was older and retired for good, but would it really be the right call? We do have Donnarumma who has proved he is more than capable of taking over the reigns. Man it would be nice to see Buffon play for Italy again, but he won't be at the WC regardless, so I think at this point I don't think that should really be an option. We'll see within a couple of weeks I guess. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, not too bad, thanks, how about yourself? Yeah, the nations league is interesting but it's also a bit annoying as I have a feeling we still might not take it seriously, although if you think about it friendlies make no sense, except for allowing managers to try out new things. Yeah, I know...things are taking forever at the FGIC as usual. I saw Di Biagio would be in charge for the friendlies, which will be interesting to see for now with a young new team, but I don't know if I'm crazy about him as an option for our next manager to be honest; he was a very good player, and he could both defend and create in midfield, and often it's those type of players who make the best managers as they understand both sides of the game, and it's true that the under-21 side did quite well under him, especially at the last European Championships, but considering the talent we had I think they could've done even better against some of the weaker sides, especially in the 2015 European Championship, so I'm not sure if he would be the best decision to take on the role permanently, especially given his lack of experience (and we've seen what happened with Ventura because of his lack of experience in big matches), but hopefully he will only be in charge briefly, or maybe he will prove me wrong in the friendlies, although it would be sort of difficult to judge his effectiveness from those games if he does do well (sort of like how Ferrara looked like a good choice for Juve when he won the last two games of the 2008-09 season but was a terrible manager the next season). I've heard some rumours regarding Guidolin; I think either he or Mancini might be good, probably the best decisions at the moment considering that Ancelotti has declined the offer, although Guidolin and Mancini haven't been active for a while now, so I'm wondering whether they would be as good now. We'll see if Conte gets sacked or not by Chelsea (recently the players said they supported him even though I think he was in danger of being let go), but I have a feeling that even if he does, he won't want to take charge of Italy again just yet, but we'll see, and he would be good right now I think. Yeah, it really sucks we won't be at the World Cup...I'll still watch the big teams, but it's not a nice feeling and won't be the same, especially as it was already a rueful experience watching the knock-out stages of the last two tournaments, in which we didn't feature, so this time it will certainly be even worse...maybe I'm hoping Messi that can win it for Argentina at least, as I like him (and out of the main favourites I don't really want our main rivals like Germany, Brazil or Spain to win it; France, even though they are also our big rivals, I wouldn't mind as much; I definitely don't want England winning it either, mainly because I lived in England for a while, back when Serie A was still the best league and the Premier League was still very much developing and mostly made up of older Serie A players, and I had to deal with students telling me every week how boring a league it was and how the Premier League was far more exciting, which was so frustrating...haha) and hopefully Dybala and Higuain can have a decent tournament as well, which would help them mature with Juve in Europe. Yeah, Balo probably deserves a chance for some friendlies after playing well for some time in France, as we've said, although it's difficult to know what you will get from him unfortunately, even though his performances for Italy have probably been mostly positive overall I would say and he has good scoring record even though he has also disappeared at times in other games. I saw that about Buffon as well; we'll see what happens with him. I get what you mean and I'm also of two minds about ti, as it might be nice as a last bow, as the games don't really mean that much (although then again it's a bit of a downer to go out in a friendly after not qualifying for the WC, even though his last appearance in the playoff elimination is also equally depressing, so I'm not sure which would be worse! haha), and then maybe Donnarumma could take over as the starting keeper when it counts for the Euro 2020 qualifying campaign (which will be tough), but it does seem odd to call him back up now when he said he was taking a break, if not completely retiring, even though he said he might still be interested. Having said that he's still very sharp and one of the best Italian keepers, while Donnarrumma still needs to improve even though he's undoubtedly very good and promising. Regarding Buffon it's probably his leadership which is most important to the team above all, so maybe he could be called up but not play, although that also seems a bit of a waste; maybe he and Donnarumma will both play a match (we have two games, right?). It would definitely seem odd for him to say he was retiring and then come back though, but I guess it also depends whether he will stay on with Juve or not, too (hopefully if he does, that will be due to a Champions League victory). Hopefully Chiellini will stay in the team because I don't see too many leaders/possible captains otherwise, and I would like him to have a decent World Cup with Italy before he retires. Hopefully Juve can beat Tottenham, which won't be easy; unfortunately Matuidi, who has been a rock in midfield, will be out, but Benatia has really grown and De Sciglio has also been improving, so we look much more solid at least defensively, and Pjanic has also been taking control of games more even though he also has room to improve, while Higuain hopefully will be able to replicate his recent scoring form in Europe as well!

Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 22:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Yeah we've got two games end of March. Yeah, it will be interesting to see how Di Biagio handles the two friendlies...maybe it can turn out like Simone with Lazio being an interim then doing well and then leading on as head. But yeah, probably unlikely. (shame Lazio couldn't hold the lead against Napoli). It may very well come down to Juve-Napoli in April. If they keep it up we'll be on track for a record points year. But yeah, I'm afraid of Italy still not really showing up to the new tournament, but hopefully the incentives they've put into the tournament will be enough. But yeah it is a tough call on Buffon, and Chiellini like you say, so I wonder what will happen. I think for Italy, Buffon, sadly, should be done, as yes, playing a few more friendlies is pointless. But I'm beginning to think more and more that Buffon will continue one for Juve. He doesn't seem ready to leave yet. And hopefully we can get one step closer tomorrow against Tottenham! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 23:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hi! Ugh, where is Balotelli in the squad Di Biagio named!?!? This is actually so frustrating. He has performed better than over half of the forwards he called. Verdi, seriously? I guess it makes sense to get Chiellini back as I could see him playing for a bit longer, but I didn't think he was actually going to go through with calling Buffon. As we've said, it is really hard to say whether it is right or not. I wonder if he'll actually play him though or is just having him be part of the squad for experience. We'll see. I hope Italy tries to give a lot of effort in these next couple friendlies as they are against good teams and sort of have a better showing than they last did. I heard the FIGC wants to decide on a new coach in the next 15 days, so lets see. I don't think we've seen any change. I was out on the town so didn't see Juve-Spal, but seriously how could they draw?! Spal is an 18th placed team and we're in a scudetto battle, these are points you cannot leave behind. Man, Real Madrid was probably the second worst draw we could've gotten. We're going to have to play a lot better if we want to have a chance at revenge. It just seems too early to be facing them. I can't believe how friggin lucky Bayern got again drawing Beskitas and then now Sevilla... I guess that's how it is, we were pretty lucky ourselves with the draws in 2015, so it's our turn now I guess. Roma getting Barca is hilarious, they always get them hahhah. Even though Madrid basically blew PSG out of the water, we should still have a chance. I heard a report, although nothing official, that Buffon has decided to retire at the end of the season, so again, it would be nice to move on. Hey did you see that TFC-Tigres game? It was a late one over here since we've had the time change earlier, but it was so intense!! The Volcano lived up to its name, but we stood up to it. We were knocking at the door the whole game so it was a matter of time we would score, fortunately off an own goal first, then another nice free kick goal by Gio even though Romero should've gotten there, that was a tough position to deal with it I guess. That proved to be necessary, as we couldn't seem to close out the damn game! Even when they then needed 3 goals to move on it wasn't over till the last second! That penalty he gave was kinda BS though, but it was basically over at that point. Now playing Club America will be tough, but I hope we give a good fight. Especially since TFC haven't been in good form in the league so far with a derby loss to Montreal today. God I hate their fans. Altidore almost equalized in the end there, but was cleared just in time before rolling in. Fingers crossed. cya. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know; he's been playing well, although it seems like he's still been causing problems from what I've heard and will likely be leaving at the end of the season, but it's been his best season yet and he's had some interesting offers, so considering we aren't going to be at the World Cup and will only be playing friendlies and that Di Biagio hasn't yet been made our full-time Italy senior squad manager, I really don't see why he isn't giving Balo a chance at least. Yeah, I think Chiellini should maybe stay on a bit as although he is getting older, he isn't all that old for a centre-back and has still been playing well for Juve and we could definitely use his experience and leadership alongside Bonucci and Rugani or Romagnoli, who still all need to develop even though they're talented (Bonucci seems to be doing better now with Milan at least). In spite of my earlier ambivalence over recalling Buffon, maybe for the time being calling up Buffon was the right decision, as Di Biagio rightly said that even if he doesn't play, he needs him to unite the team in the dressing room, and he's still important off the pitch, so he might just be there for experience, as you said. I think he might end up playing though, as Donnarumma was injured against Arsenal I beleive, or maybe Perin will play, which would be good for him to get more experience after all these injuries, as he's also immensely talented, but I'm guessing that Gigi will probably feature in at least one of those games – maybe against Argentina – as a final farewell, probably because the Play-offs were a bitter way to say goodbye to the national team, although it's not like a meaningless friendly is much better, but still...I'm still not sure what to believe regarding his retirement, as I've heard both sides of the story, some saying he hasn't yet decided and others saying enough is enough. He does seem to have slowed down a bit now in terms of his speed when rushing out and his reflexes and diving and seems to be a bit less reliable in his footwork decision making, which worries me a bit, as I don't want him to perform badly considering how amazing he has been through his career, and he's also being rested more frequently in Serie A, and Allegri seems to be starting him more in the Coppa Italia, so maybe he isn't really seen as the outright starter anymore (Buffon did even hint that he is no longer the best keeper at Juve anymore), so maybe after this season he should call it quits, unless he wants to stay one more year as a back-up and play in the Coppa Italia, and a European or League game here and there, possibly to equal some more records; he's had an amazing career regardless of whether he manages to win the Champions League (three finals don't lie), although I'm still hoping we can get the medal for him before he retires, and in that case, he said he might stay one more season as a back-up to win some more titles, and I think it's fair, as Szczesny has been playing well and is in his physical prime, so he probably deserves to start, and Buffon can still guide the team and play a few games here and there. I've heard Barzagli might sign a contract extension which does surprise me, as although he's still very good and inelligent as a centre-back, and moves quite well, he does seem to be struggling a bit more and has been exposed at right back against very quick, agile, and technical opponents, and I also want him to retire before he becomes a liability, as he's also been a fantastic player for Juve. Hopefully Italy will sign a good coach though as I'm still not too convinced by Di Biagio. We will see how the friendlies go. I want us to beat England, but I suppose they don't mean much even if we do play well, but I hope at least that they will be useful for the players that need to gel more and gain international experience. Yeah I can't believe we drew against SPAL; maybe we're saving our energy though, and the Champions League draw distracted us, who knows, but it's not a good result regardless, considering SPAL don't have experience and are struggling in the league, even though we were away from home, without some starters, and they defended the whole game behind the ball, as with the players we have we needed to find away through, especially if we expect to do well in Europe, but then again, it's better to make mistakes now, and in the past sometimes under Allegri we wouldn't play as well in the league, but we still did well in Europe and ended up winning the league title, so I suppose I would rather have that scenario occur. Yeah, Real are a tough draw for the quarter-finals, so I really hope we can beat them, get revenge for last year's final, so we can advance to the last four and hopefully go all the way this time; PSG, I'm not sure what happened with them, they just fell apart, sort of like we did in the second half of the Champions League final, and they just seem to not haev gelled in spit of all their stars, although they have also been unlucky not to qualify for the semifinals at times, but against us it will be different if we play intelligently and in an organised manner, and then we always need luck, but we can't play the way we did in the first leg or the first half of the second leg against Suprs. Real seem to be picking things up now as well, sort of like how they started badly last season and ended strongly, so it will be tough against them, as they still have an amazing squad. It annoys me that the two Italian teams got arguably the two toughest teams in the Spanish sides, and that the two English teams will be playing each other and will be guaranteed a team in the semi-finals, especially as their teams might end up doing well in the Europa League again now. Bayern got the easiest draw on paper, but Sevilla shouldn't be underestimated either, as they do have some talented players, and it's impressive that they managed to defeat Man U, who do have a good squad and spent a lot on many players (so much for Montella being a rubbish coach to Milan fans...they're in the CHampions League quarter-finals for the first time eve, in fifth place in the league, and in the Copa del Rey final! Sure, Gattuso has been doing better, but I new it wasn't all Montella's fault, and he had done well with Crotone and Fiorentina before). Yeah, I saw the Tigres–Toronto FC game; great result, and I'm really glad they made it through to the semi-finals and that Giovinco was able to get a goal with that great free kick (yeah, the keeper made a mistake and should've done better, but it was still perfectly placed by Gio, and it always looks easier than it is to stop those), and that he was involved in the own goal as well; even though he was quiet in the first half, he certainly picked things up in the second half and it was a great result away from home, and they did well with that performance against a tough opponent in an intimidating stadium, and yes it was an intense and tight game, and it was still open until the end, even though I think the second goal put the tie to bed for Toronto in many ways. I agree that the penalty was silly, and thankfully it was only awarded in injury time, because otherwise it could have really opened up the match; a shame that Bono couldn't get to it when he guessed the right way, as it wasn't a great penalty and it's disappointing that it went under him, but overall he played well and has been very solid for Toronto. I didn't see the MLS game against Montreal but I suppose with the new CONCACAF Champions League commitments, and the treble last season, that's probably been taking up most of their concentration, although hopefully they will pick things up in the league later as well and still have a good season and qualify easily for the playoffs, even though it will be tough to find the motivation to repeat a season like last year, with an unprecedented treble and the points record in the MLS regular season. The Champions League semi-final will be tough against another good Mexican side, and they've been unlucky with the draw unlike other teams, but hopefully they can go through and even go all the way now; they do have a good team now with Van der Wiel, Auro, and Aketxe, who provide some talent and depth to the squad, on top of their other players, so it would be amazing if they could win that as well after last season, and it would be amazing for Giovinco! Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Swimming world record succession boxes[edit]

Hi, before you remove more swimming WR succession boxes like here, could you please discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swimming? They are used on many swimming biographies and it's best to be consistent across Wikipedia. If the community has already made a decision to remove them, can you link me to it? Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Having looked more into it, Template:Succession box does not mention the boxes being discontinued. Is there a discussion about this at either the swimming, sports, of general community level? I know the football project has some ideas on this, but that does not apply to boxes outside of football articles. For now I restored the boxes in the Paltrinieri article, but we can remove them from all swimming biography articles (not just one) if there is consensus for doing so in the relevant communities. Gap9551 (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
@Gap9551: Hi. I don’t know about swimming, but at WT:FOOTY here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 101#Team Captains succession box: use or no use? we came to a conclusion where they are generally frowned upon, although I guess this pertains more to captains, but I think there are some other discussions as well. I was basically removing the pages for the Gazzetta dello Sport Italian sportsman of the year as I saw a user add it to a footballer which I traced back to a few other athletes. Personally, it doesn’t matter much to me, but I think for awards successions it’s pretty much useless, but for records I can see how it may be more useful. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I understand what you mean now. You're right, the boxes are sometimes used for 'achievements' that aren't notable enough. I'm also not really sure about whether national sportsperson titles should qualify. But I think that for any type of achievement they should be either included or removed consistently. Gap9551 (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
@Gap9551: Yeah exactly, that’s one of the major issues on Wikipedia in lack of consistency. Especially for something like this, it can be very hard to enforce or agree upon. Maybe you’d want to raise a point at the swimming project. Happy New Year! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 05:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
For the sportsman boxes it would have to be discussed higher up I think, or at WikiProject Italy. Happy new year to you too! Gap9551 (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

() Evidently the boy has a certain dislike for the boxes of succession, he has me deleted 15 :) However I think it is appropriate that the question of the usefulness or not of the boxes of succession is addressed in appropriate locations and does not therefore become a war edit. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Problems with Admins[edit]

Hi, I have a question: do you have sometimes problems with some admin that delete a whole page, or almost, just for little mistakes, and then they also delete the conversation in wich I ask for an explanation and treathens a block when they have nothing to support their case? Can they do in this way? If yes, then I think there's something wrong in Wikipedia and if no, what is possible to do with this issue? Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Charlie Foxtrot66: Hi. Yeah, sometimes Wikipedia can be pretty bureaucratic, but we have to deal with it. As long as you source claims to reliable sources, there really shouldn't be a problem, but I must admit, although we value your contributions, sometimes your writing can have several grammatical and spelling errors, which I have needed to fix in the past. Even though, this shouldn't be a case for deletion. Like I said before, if you ever need help looking at an article or text before you publish, let me know and I can take a look. You may be referring to your deleted page Davide Longo (writer), which I have not looked into deeply, but you must also consider if he is notable per WP:GNG. I also recommend you make a user page, as having a redlinked name does set some people off. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Apart Davide Longo, and apart Piero Operto in wich they made problems because according to them was a living person while he's dead almost 70 years ago, I really don't understand what they did with the Boves Massacre and the way they behaved after.... I can understand my english isn't perfect, I'm Italian living in Holland, and my lack of experience in editing Wikipedia, but still I think that some admins are more a damage than a help and I hope is possible to do something.... this is not about the Wiki rules but the behaviour of some admin. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Charlie Foxtrot66: Yeah, I get it, I've seen my fair share of crazy behaviour from admins, and it's hard to keep your cool, but we need to try as hard as possible. I would also recommend looking at WP:CITEWEB, it shows you how to cite full references for websites, and also other mediums like books and such. I looked briefly at Boves massacre, and much of the text was unsourced, but maybe it's because a lot of the info was in that one source you used at the end. If you use a <ref name=boves/> tag when citing for example, you can use the same reference multiple times without needing to write the full reference again. Perhaps try the addition again like this and I can be of assistance with grammar. I only have a beginner-intermediate level of understanding Italian thus far, so it is unfortunate I cannot help in properly translating text. Buon Anno! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok then. If it's like that, then I don't know if I'll take again the risk to work in editing or creating pages just to see everything deleted like that. Now the Boves Massacre is restored and full of mistakes like before, and it seems that Wikipedia likes it this way. By the way, Buon Anno anche a te. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Juve article, line-ups and quotes[edit]

FA articles about Manchester United and Liverpool not included both and nobody cares, both remain with that status. Including that is not a rule and Real Madrid or Barcelona articles are not the MoS. However, for have a GA status, JFC article has much problems, firstly its weight (over 40 Kb. the limit in witch make more difficult read it) for including details that not add some important for the argument. Repeat, for line-ups exists the single match articles and its graphics, for quotes exist Wikiquote and there are one about Juve.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 05:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dantetheperuvian: I’ll bring it up at WT:FOOTY. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 05:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Merseyside derby and a question[edit]

Hello my friend, I think you may remember me over a debate on Atalanta B.C. in European football article. I need your help on another article, which is Merseyside derby. There was list of honors from both teams as a separate section but a user consistently deleting it and argues that it is irrelevant. I gave him examples such as El Clásico, that even those pages have that honors section. I just looked at saw even Juventus F.C.–A.C. Milan rivalry have it. So, my question is, do you know how to open a debate article? If you could tell me, I would open one for this discussion. I am sick of it because the user just takes decision on his/her own. That's ridiculous. Thank you. Omerlaziale (talk) 18:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@Omerlaziale: Yes, the Atalanta page was over a proposed deletion of the entire article. The case with the Merseyside derby is only a particular section of the article. While I don't really have a position whether the honours should or shouldn't be in derby articles, they should all be consistent with each other. If you want to start a discussion you can do so at the article talk page or at the football project WT:FOOTY to gain more exposure. Happy New Year! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Rincon and Torino-Juve contract[edit]


I recently reverted your modification to "out on loan" Juventus players as you removed Rincon: This player had only collected enough caps to be obligatory bought from Torino (from option to buy, to obligation to buy). This obligation will effectively take place in next summer, when loan will be over. Till that day he continue to be a Juventus player on loan to Torino, thus he have to still be listed in this section.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riktetta (talkcontribs) 2018-01-08T13:50:53 (UTC)

@Riktetta: Can you provide a source that says that, because Football Italia says he is bought outright. @Matthew hk: as well. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
the football italia may be a reliable source. However, the clear consensus of football project was separating loan and outright deal, just like Juan Cuadrado. Matthew_hk tc 19:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
@Matthew hk: So you're saying Rincon shouldn't be listed as on loan at the Juventus page, right? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The signing should be completed and the player should be removed from the main article Juventus F.C., but in 2017–18 Juventus F.C. season, may be some footnote that he was on loan for the first half of the season. It just entirely unencyclopedic to have WP:OR on the loan contract was set to expire on 30 June 2018, and the effective date of the outright deal according to their WP:OR, was X-Y-Z date thing. Stick to the date of the news that came out. La Gazzetta, quoting La Stampa interview with Cairo, confirmed the signing. However, La Stampa had a paywall which i can't find the original full interview. Matthew_hk tc 19:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, we have his sale outright listed in the winter transfers after the option to buy was exercised. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It is not an option, but an obligation to buy when the player met certain sporting objective to be exact (Juve use l’obbligo ), so it is unencyclopedic to have statement such as "the entire effective date was on mid-2018", which did not have any source to support unless you hack into to the database and get the contract to have a look, or a heavily interpretation on transfer regulation (in the past excised to enter co-ownership, FIGC did specify June as the dedicated excised time, but we are not talking about co-ownership but conditional obligation to buy ). It should be removed from the squad list of Juventus F.C. Matthew_hk tc 20:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Canada Day[edit]

Hi, I see that you undid my edit.

I am also a very proud Canadian, who has been working since 2012 to ensure that Canada Day is celebrated on July 1st everywhere in Canada. However, due to archaic legislation, this is not the case. It is very important that the facts are true in published articles, so that this situation can be corrected.

Please reference the Federal Holidays Act, or search Ontario Statutory Holidays to see that I am speaking the truth. Thanks CanadaDayShouldBeOnJuly1st (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Vaselineeeeeeee. I don't mean to use your talk page for this as it should be discussed at the article, but this new editor is becoming problematic.
@CanadaDayShouldBeOnJuly1st: No. Canada Day will be on July 1 just as it is every year. That people are legally given a day off work on another day is immaterial.
Consider when other fixed holidays are celebrated. When Christmas falls on a Sunday, do you open your gifts on the Monday? No. And it's not just because that's Boxing Day or you're Germanic and open your gifts on Christmas Eve. Do not confuse the day off with the day on which it's celebrated. Feel free to show up for Canada Day celebrations in your city, town, village or county on Monday this year. You'll likely be part of the clean-up crew and they'll enjoy your help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@Walter Görlitz: Consider commenting at Talk:Canada Day#July 1/2. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Will if the edits start up. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Giacinto Facchetti[edit]

Ugh; I don't want to badmouth anyone but that user is so frustrating because he just lazily deletes any unsourced honours without even trying to do a bit of research to find sources which could usually easily be found online...he just did that with the Tevez article, and I'm going to revert it once I can find sources for all the honours. Regarding Facchetti, it's hard to find sources for players from the older eras...I'll see what I can do. Best regards,

Messirulez (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

haha ok thanks. And ya, I know what you mean about him.....but I guess if you follow by the book to the T, then that's how it is, but I don't think it's a reason to get rid of the whole table. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Managed to find quite a few sources for his club appearances (thankfully Inter have a record of their players' appearances in all competitions, not only Serie A, which is what most Italian statistical websites include, and as Facchetti spent his entire there it ended up being quite simple haha). The international appearances were easy as thankfully the FIGC website is great for that. Best, Messirulez (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Excellent! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You deserve this barnstar for cooperating & helping me at List of Serie A hat-tricks article. It looks like a piece of art and I hope it earns "featured list". Thank you very much and I hope to have the opportunity to work with you again . Sadsadas (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks man, hopefully we got them all! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

My talk page[edit]

Hi there V, all well?

Really there was no need to revert the anon user in my talk page, i have the fear they were being a bit sarcastic in their tone but i cannot be 100% sure. I have left a note as well to the IP, let's see if they heed this time (even though User:Mattythewhite has done the same and the IP clearly graps the English language, don't know what more can be done, really).

Happy editing, regards --Quite A Character (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Everything’s good thanks. No worries, I just thought that I should remove obviously wrong and ignorant comments. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi, yeah the season links were just something I felt would be useful but no onus on anyone else to include them. It would now be quicker to add them onto the tables for the other derbies since the piped text is on there now, but to be honest I'm not really bothered about them, just wanted to make all improvements I could to this one since we were preparing it. I have a table for players on another article which would be suitable for this so I'll do that tonight. Crowsus (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@Crowsus: What do you mean quicker to add to the other articles? Like you mean copy and paste from this article to the others? If so, yeah it would be a little quicker that way. I guess it wouldn't be much longer for me to just change the link numbers as I go to put in the rest of the results, so I suppose I could just do it along the way to save having to go back. I'd like it to be consistent so maybe we can work to do that after the Juve-Fiorentina article is done. I also want to make a Juve-Napoli rivalry page after this as that is very strong as well. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Bad Blood[edit]

Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it. Yeah, even though the original episode ratings only include live viewers, an overall viewership number would include streams on Citytv's website or CraveTV. My understanding of Wikipedia practice is that we don't update the total episode count on the basis of the initial production announcement, but wait until the second season has actually premiered. Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: True. Probably also including the French language viewers in their broadcast a couple months later. Also if you find anything on how critics received the show, please add or let me know. I can't really seem to find anything of substance right now even on Rotten Tomatoes. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, that's true too, I forgot about the French run. I'll keep an eye out for critical reviews as well, though I suspect if you can't find anything there's probably not much out there. Bearcat (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)