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It seems pretty clear that you do not understand exactly what COPYVIO is. COPYVIO requires extensive, or total, verbatim copying of text. Small portions of a textual material, or one that is re-worded from an original, are not COPYVIO. If this distinction is not clear to you, please take the time to read up on copyright law before you go accusing people of breaking it.

To add to the problem, the COPYVIO page clearly notes "If you suspect a copyright violation, you should at least bring up the issue on that page's discussion page." This is basic courtesy; asking before accusing is a rather good policy in all walks of life - one that you failed to heed.

The article in question in no way represents a COPYVIO. I am restoring the content.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Sorry for blowing up on you, Not my finest hour. Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Spontaneous Generation[edit]

We continue to work on Spontaneous Generation and its connected subject heterogenesis. Your thoughts on the work will always be appreciated. Best Wishes IceDragon64 (talk) 21:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi Jc37. I'm just dropping you a note letting you know I reverted your recent edits to Orator. I was confused as to why you re-added an arbitrary list of orators without giving any justification, when it had already been decried on the discussion page. I assume you had some good reason, since I've always seen your name attached to beneficial edits :) -Verdatum (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, that's always nice to hear : )
As for the list at Orator, it isn't "arbitrary". If you go back through the edit history, you'll note that I did a lot of pruning (and cleaning up) of that list. AFAIK, the last "current state" of the list represented individuals who were known particularly as orators, and who gave "famous" speeches. (Not just merely people who often gave speeches.) And this, I believe, is represented in references in their various articles. (Which, I know, should probably be reflected directly in this article : )
The "pulpit" list, however, probably needs quite a bit of pruning yet. (I didn't do much with it.) Merely giving sermons shouldn't be the only inclusion criteria...
Anyway, I hope this clarifies... - jc37 18:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Hot-wire foam cutter‎[edit]

Hi, I see that you revert my removal of the EL section in this article, stating that some of them were good links. I have to disagree with you on that point; I looked at all of the links and they are all to "how-to" webpages. According to WP:NOTHOWTO, Wikipedia is not a how to, therefore we shouldn't be linking to how to pages. Also, WP:EL states that articles shouldn't contain links that wouldn't be contained in a FA, of which none of these links would. Let me know what you think. Wizard191 (talk) 00:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I can see where you are coming from. WP:NOTHOWTO can be a little confusing in some situations. As I understand it, WP:NOTHOWTO is intended to prevent advise articles; content that uses the imperative (aka command) sentence form. An article that explains how a topic is produced may tell you "how to produce topicX", still, it is not considered howto.
I think you are misreading the section of WP:EL in question. If I'm not mistaken the section in question is "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid [...] Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." The intent is, if the link provides factual information that you could just extract and include in the article itself and have that inclusion still allow the article to maintain FA status, then you should just include the information. Here, if we were to include the specific howto information, then it would be directly in conflict with NOTHOWTO; since there are any number of ways to produce a hot-wire cutter. Even if the howto information could be rendered generic, the link it self (presumably) gives detailed pictures and diagrams that facilitate the understanding of the construction of the device.
External links are not required to meet WP policies to be included in WP articles. From WP:EL, Links to consider include "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons."
Ultimately, I think, simply, having at least one decent page demonstrating the construction of a cutter improves the article. It reinforces the fact that despite comercial models being available, they are frequently homemade.
If you wish to continue this discussion, I would recommend copying it (minus this line, I suppose) to Talk:Hot-wire foam cutter to allow others to voice opinion, and provide an archive of the process of reaching consensus, so the article doesn't repeatedly bounce back and forth between the two viewpoints. -Verdatum (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I've continued the discussion at Talk:Hot-wire foam cutter. Wizard191 (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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Jodie Foster[edit]

I posted a link to the image file in question at Talk:Jodie Foster#Two practically identical photos of her on this page. The main focus for the editor who uploaded it has been that she doesn't seem to like the photo of Foster with her hair curled. Unflattering is her POV about it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Your cruft quote is mentioned on A Nobody's user page[edit]

I found it there, and thought I would give you a suggestion.

This is an effective way that I always use to disarm the "cruft" allegation:

Please, per WP:Cruft "use of this term may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil." [1]

Ikip (talk) 02:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

My Revert[edit]

You removed one comment in a series of personal attacks and left the inappropriate comments and attacks of other users. Your removal of that one comment as opposed to all of the attacks that took place appeared to be an attempt to instigate further attacks. I reverted your edit to avoid that.  Anonymous  Talk . —Preceding undated comment added 19:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC).

Andrew W.K.[edit]

I totally agree with your edit. I tried myself a year or so back and got reversed. I'll keep an eye on this one. Possibly one or two lines on the topic would be valid. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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New World Order (conspiracy theory)[edit]

Hello Verdatum. I would appreciate if you could had some comments to the neutrality-in-question debate over the the New World Order (conspiracy theory) article on its talk page. Thanking you in advance. --Loremaster (talk) 16:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the Consensus is in this debate where you're now also present and appear to be quite dispassionate. Two editors are expressing very strong view to me. But I see only that they raise diverse issues. Therefore it would be extremely useful I think to all of us, if you simply pointed out what the consensus is on any particular issue - so that at least I could conform my actions to the Consensus. --Ludvikus (talk) 03:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Log in[edit]

You know you can log in on remote computers. If you have concerns for security, you can use the secure server. -Verdatum (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know that but my problem is actually that I am using my PlayStation 3 to access the Internet until my home computer is fixed and the PS3 browser has suddenly stop allowing to log in to Wikipedia... --Loremaster (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:New World Order (conspiracy theory)[edit]

Image:Chile signs UN Charter 1945.jpg Don't want to inflame things by asking this question of you on the page above (I'm sure you now why).

But I'd love to hear your opinion of the propriety of that image - UN Charter, San Francisco, 1945? --Ludvikus (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
If the image is appropriate, it does not appear to be justified in the caption or the article body. As I recall there were 3 times as many images on this article when I first encountered it. Since I don't consider this article to be very crucial, I generally decided to pick my battles as time allowed. -Verdatum (talk) 21:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • It's inappropriate. And I think the article is important: it's useful and informative to know the thoughts of hatemongers, and other cooks and crackpots it might be need should there come a time one needs to defend oneself. --Ludvikus (talk) 23:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • PS1: The subtle message - the subtext - is that this is the convention to establish the malevolent New World Order (conspiracy theory). And of course, those un-named quakes behind the scenes are telling us that the individuals in the photograph to the right are conspiring - in order to "take over the world." --Ludvikus (talk) 23:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • PS2: I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the Consensus is in this debate where you're now also present and appear to be quite dispassionate. Two editors are expressing very strong view to me. But I see only that they raise diverse issues. Therefore it would be extremely useful I think to all of us, if you simply pointed out what the consensus is on any particular issue - so that at least I could conform my actions to the Consensus. --Ludvikus (talk) 03:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there is consensus. Consensus takes time. The arguments that have been raised are only a day or two old. If you feel more input on a discussion is needed, you can post a request on Wikipedia:Third opinion, but again, you might want to wait at least another day. -Verdatum (talk) 14:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject/New World Order/Neutral lede[edit]

Let me please know if you think this might be useful. If you think not, I may very well drop the project I started. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The project was closed. --Loremaster (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


I think you misunderstood what this is: WP:Refactoring --Ludvikus (talk) 21:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I hope you realize that this was done in good faith. Did Loremaster get to you? There seems to be a big change in yout attitute. What happened?

--Ludvikus (talk) 22:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Protocols of the Elders of Zion[edit]

Dear Verdatum, I'm going to be away today for several hours. So I thought you should know that I will not be able to participate. I also want you to know that I, personally own either Originals, or Photocopies of every kind of source on this topic. So I can make these available to you, or anyone else, as an email attachment at least. Also, I find many of the sources lousy. The article should rely on the Secondary sources, but relies often on non-notable sources. Anyway, I want to tell you that I fully understand that this is a team-effort at Wikipedia. And although I think I know about this particular subject more than anyone at Wikipedia, I will neither ego-trip about it. Furthermore, I understand that at Wikipedia we have "truth by the [[ballot]." I wish you the best. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. Wikipedia decisions are intended to work on a time-frame closer to weeks, not hours. This is intentional so that editors don't need to inspect changes constantly, and can instead go have lives too. As far as my efforts on the Protocols article, I'm probably not going to do much more than policy enforcement and just leave recommendations for any larger changes I see appropriate on the talkpage. When a fact is cited with an offline source, I generally take it in good faith to be accurate unless it's extremely dubious. I also don't expect to do much editing until the review completes, which should take 2 weeks. -Verdatum (talk) 14:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

PSM - "Between History and Fiction" by Michael Hagemeister[edit]

It's important to keep up with the latest scholarship. The article by the above world-class PSM scholar is available online and can be downloaded as a PDF file from this link: Hagemeister, Michael: "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion: PSM - Hagemeister 35 (1103)". Retrieved 2009-09-27.  It questions the novelty of the finding reported in the French press. --Ludvikus (talk) 01:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not interested in doing research in this topic. I'm just doing policy enforcement and reorganization for the sake of clarity. -Verdatum (talk) 06:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyright: Ok, my friend, Veritas Verdatum, here's the truth Verbatim:[edit]

  • Ok, my friend, Veritas Verdatum, here's the truth Verbatim: In the U.S., any work published before January 1, 1923 anywhere in the world - is in the public domain. --Ludvikus (talk) 04:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Glad to hear it, thanks for correcting me. -Verdatum (talk) 05:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion[edit]

Great editing work - except for failing to recognize the Navigation tool/Side bar: Template:The Protocols. --Ludvikus (talk) 10:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I did recognize it. I just moved it lower. If you'd prefer, the images can be moved lower instead. Also, when you are discussing a template, just link it as [[Template:The Protocols]] instead of {{The Protocols}}. -Verdatum (talk) 10:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, it would be good to use the 2-page [[[primary source]] Table of] Contents from Praemonitus Praemunitus. --Ludvikus (talk) 10:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by this. -Verdatum (talk) 10:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Instead of OR summarizing the contents of the PSM, use the "Contents" of Praemonitus Praemunitus - which you deleted. --Ludvikus (talk) 10:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Now I follow you. I'll address this at the section you created. -Verdatum (talk) 11:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

An Editor's WP:BARNSTAR[edit]

Editors Barnstar.png The Editor's Barnstar
It's a real pleasure awarding you this Barnstar for my particular Recognition and Appreciation of your Ability to Listen to Reason and to easily Admit when you're Mistaken, as all of us can be - even Me, Myself, and I (all three of us). And I award you this especially in the Context of working with you on Exposing the True Facts behind The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, using Secondary sources, and avoiding, as much as possible, Original research. With respect to the United States it is Robert Singerman who did the best scholarly work on this "Warrant for Genocide," regarding the American Career of this literary forgery. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Why do I do this? Because you truly deserve it - being a rare exception to the rule. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Hello, Verdatum. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have an interest in adding your comments. The thread is User:Ludvikus revisited. Thank you. --Ludvikus (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Protocols of the Elders of Zion (versions)[edit]

As usual, nice working with you (this time on the above). Needs more work on my part - but I don't have the time.

--Ludvikus (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Mike Corley[edit]

If you want to use the info from the opera, copy it, but don't pour other people's hard work into an article that will be lost to deletion. MMetro (talk) 09:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't work that way. -Verdatum (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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UVB-76 Discussion Page[edit]

Hello, I've recently added some information at the UVB-76 Discussion Page that I would like some additional input on; as you've been fairly active with the article and discussion, your input would be appreciated. Aeternitas827 (talk) 06:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


There was no need to remove Panzergewinde from Threaded pipe#See also That article has since been created. A bit of patience would have been nice. Peter Horn User talk 01:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

One should create the article first, then add it to "see also" sections. If it was added to the article only a couple hours ago then maybe you'd have a point, but it was more than a day ago. It wasn't hard for you to re-add it, so all is well. -Verdatum (talk) 08:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Matrix mold[edit]

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