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Don't know if this is the right way to communicate but I have now added a photo of Mary MacPherson's blue plaque and a photo of her last home. Ronald Cameron Ronaldcameron (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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BBC's twitter feed[edit]

You might be interested in this if you haven't already seen it.--Ipigott (talk) 13:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC) Thanks Ian. The communications was very confused for us because of the power of the BBC - still they are singing our song. (albeit with little attribution) Victuallers (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Tests?[edit]

What kind of tests is acceptable in main space? Xx236 (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC) lots Victuallers (talk) 17:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

File:Elisheva Barak.jpg[edit]

Hi, would you mind cropping this photo to a normal head-and-shoulders shot? I used it in the infobox at Elisheva Barak-Ussoskin. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks strange, though, like it's been squished vertically instead of cropped. Yoninah (talk) 15:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I think you ll find that's a temporary effect as your browser remembers the old version. Image is pretty poor though. but I see there is no alternative. Victuallers (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Best wishes for the holidays...[edit]

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Season's Greetings
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Festive greetings![edit]

Mary Gillham[edit]

This may be of use to you. Regards, Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! - I'm trying to see if the archive project will "own" her wiki page. Victuallers (talk) 11:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
If you need to be put in touch with the person who is in de-facto control/charge of Sewbrec's social media, let me know. (Its my wife.) Currently the project is basically digitising all of her records - but its a set grant-based project that is reliant on volunteers etc. So in a long-term basis it may not be able to take ownership in that sense, however the volume of material available, they should be able to donate some material. I *believe* but am not certain, part of the project is a book being published, but I would have to confirm that. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Aaah small world. Hope the project includes a wiki page as I suspect we will be around a long time. Mary seems to be an impressive person. I'm guessing theres nothing she should know that you couldnt help her with..... Hope there is lots of cc by sa material as its sad when good work gets a too tight copyright agreement. Best to both of you for xmas and new year Victuallers (talk) 14:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I would have to check on that. Most of it is personal notes/records made & taken by Mary and left to Sewbrec as part of her archive. Sewbrec is a not-for-profit, but they are a commercial business, so material which is intended to be used as part of the commercial operation would be unlikely to be released under a license we can use. However this is basically decades of personal wildlife records, data, notes, drawings etc. Boxes and boxes of the stuff. So I would imagine there is some there that can be released under a compatible license. I will ask tonight. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Further to the above after a discussion the other night, its HLF funded, so any output is non-commercial. There were one (or two, this was unclear) unreleased books which are intended to be released for free. AlReeve is the man in charge if you want to discuss anything RE the project. But everyone is off for Christmas/New Year now, so I wouldnt expect a response before next year. Merry Christmas. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:30, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Un-festive greetings[edit]

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Since about June I am not feeling particular festive- I am beginning to have serious concerns about the future of the turkeys. But it seems a good idea to stay in touch and pass on my regards. As my daughter has moved, I am regularly using Junction 25, and turning right along the A52 heading for Sherwood-- I think of you every time I use that exit. I look forward to meeting up if there is a new year. --ClemRutter (talk) 12:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

@ClemRutter: - We could meet at Coopers Arms near? J24? Victuallers (talk) 14:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Pings work only if they are included in the same edit as you sign. Here you go: @ClemRutter: --Bbb23 (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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Merry Christmas 2016[edit]

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Season's Greetings[edit]

Thank you kindly, and merry Christmas to you, too! Looking forward to 2017; you'll have my company for a while yet on the journey to 20% and beyond. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday Greetings! Victuallers[edit]

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Thank you for helping make Wikipedia a better place. May we have much more gender equality in our coverage. Blessings. May we all have peace in the coming year. 7&6=thirteen () 20:12, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday card[edit]

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Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas,
Victuallers!
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you
That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end
And sickness nor sorrow don't find you."
—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926.
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Merry Christmas![edit]

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Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh

Happy Festivus![edit]

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Air grievances, enjoy meatloaf (vegetarian or not) and challenge others in feats of strength! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I guess thats what you super librarians do! Victuallers (talk) 23:24, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Lights ablaze.JPG

Happy New Year @Bzuk: Victuallers (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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Happy new year :-)

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Happy New Year![edit]

Happy New Year Victuallers![edit]

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Happy 2017![edit]

Happy New Year! Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi again[edit]

I just created Shulamit Bat-Dori for WP:Women in Red. I'm wondering if this historic image can be uploaded as a public domain image, or as a fair use image? I'm also having trouble saving it on my computer for upload, and wonder if you could help me with the uploading as well. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC) Now that you have a good image then the fair use approach wont work. Victuallers (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography/Missing women again[edit]

I've moved the page on with some Wikidata queries, now that a push has been made to complete the ODNB listing there. Further DNB women are revealed (e.g. Hill Boothby). Charles Matthews (talk) 09:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

& many thanks for all your comradely edits this year. May your coming year see many more contributions :). Alafarge (talk) 16:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Smith College[edit]

Hi, Victuallers! Sorry, but I have no insight into wikipedians near Smith College. Never been there myself. P L E A T H E R talk 19:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC) thx anyway Victuallers (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Spring Gardens Teacher Training College[edit]

Any idea if I can use this image of this historical women's college? [1] I tried to research it, but as is typical, I failed at finding a WP policy. This [2] does not address Antigua. It matters not to me if it is uploaded as fair use, since it is for the sole purpose of showing this school, but I can't figure out what rationale I would use to upload it as fair use. Can you help? Thanks! SusunW (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC) Sorry Susun, Ive tried to find a rationale but I cant. I also looked for another but no luck. Have you had any luck with the March 8th idea? Victuallers (talk) 23:51, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Wish I could say that I had, but no. The response was frustrating, curt and dismissive. Its a no, with no explanation as to why. SusunW (talk) 18:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Antonio Barluzzi[edit]

Hi Vic. Being bold is not what I'm usually lacking, but the question of whether Antonio Barluzzi did in the end become a Franciscan monk is still unanswered and that bothers me. With those tags, which are almost invisible to the regular user but challenge editors to go back to their sources, there is a far better chance that someone will come up with the answer. Hardly anything on the "lose" side (a slightly unelegant two-syllable tag), but a good chance for a "win" in information. And here it's all about information. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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I noticed you get screenshots from Youtube of notable BLPs that don't have an image on their Wiki articles. I used to think that images must be exclusively licensed to be used in commons until this observation. There are alot of articles on Nigerian celebrities that I want to take a screenshot from Youtube to include in their articles sincfe there are none in them. Is that allowed?. Darreg (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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Monnow Bridge[edit]

Dear Victuallers, Not sure how active the Monmouthpedia Project still is but I've posted a note/query there re. some work I've been doing on the above. I thought I would also try you as our paths crossed on various of the Monmouth Listed Buildings articles. Aside from my specific question re. Mary Ellen Bagnall-Oakeley's pamphlet, any other suggestions for improvements to the article would be much appreciated.

Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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File:Railway carriage built 1876 by Matthew Kirtley for metropolitan railway.jpg[edit]

Hi, re this image that you added to Matthew Kirtley - I really don't think that Matthew Kirtley was in the business of building rolling stock for anybody except the Midland Railway or its predecessor, the Birmingham & Derby Junction Railway. The styling of that coach - particularly the width of the doors and the shape of their tops - doesn't look at all like the coaches supplied to the Metropolitan Railway. I suspect that somebody is confusing the Metropolitan Railway with the unrelated Metropolitan Railway Carriage and Wagon Company Ltd - which went through various name changes before becoming part of Metro Cammell. This company built carriages for various railway companies, both to their own designs and to the designs of its customers. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, you definitely know more than I do! I think it could only have been designed by him as he died 3 years before. I know nothing about this but what I remember from reading the info supplied at the museum/ station I visited at Swanwick Junction.... seems very likely that I misremembered Metropolitan Railway Carriage and Wagon Company Ltd. Do feel free to change as you see fit, I was just reflecting the source and trying to ensure my photo was labelled. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

March Women in Red[edit]

Hi Roger. I think we still need some inputs from you on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/37. It would be great if you could provide a link to "Role Models" with a short explanation. You may also have seen from the WiR talk page that we are beginning to prepare invitations to those who have shown interest in extending our approach to other languages. I think we should try to firm things up within the next few days so that we can keep people informed of our activities.--Ipigott (talk) 15:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ian, will do. I've been busy with real life which has impinged on my plans. This will effect me for at least the next two weeks. However I am keeping moving on Role Models and Cambridge. Victuallers (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I can try to put a draft editathon page together for you if you can give me the following details (make corrections as necessary):
    • Name: Role Models
    • Coverage: Female students who gained fame
    • Place: Newnham College, Cambridge
    • Date: Wednesday, 8 March
    • Time: ?
    • Participants: Open to outsiders?
    • Other participating colleges/universities: Edinburgh, Cardiff, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Smith College, Barnard College, University of the West Indies ???
There'll obviously be a tie-up with A+F, Women's History Month and Women in Red.
If you can't provide all these details, we can start with a draft on Newnham College alone.--Ipigott (talk) 11:26, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Victuallers: I've created a draft editathon page for you here. I'm not too sure what the focus should be. You can either edit the page yourself or let me know what needs to be changed.--Ipigott (talk) 14:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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Newnham College[edit]

User:Tagishsimon/Newnham College Alumni seems to be what you're after as a prototype list. In that page, the line:

   ?item wdt:P69 wd:Q1247589 .

says "and the record must have an 'Educated At' value of "Newnham College" ... changing wd:Q1247589 to the Q ID of another college will give you the same report, but for the next college; so

   ?item wdt:P69 wd:Q797846 .

will give you Girton College.

Check out the one I've done. All the rows seem to have ODNB references, but I'm not so clever as to be able to turn them into hyperlinks, sadly. Let me know where you want a set of reports to be established on wikipedia - I presume your Newnham gig has a page somewhere - and I can produce one of these per college for you. @Charles Matthews:, as I understand you're on the lower slopes of Listeria. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I've fiddled some more to give you alumni and employees, and commented the query. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:26, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll give the matter my attention tomorrow: off to Hendon for the conference today. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks Tagishsimon for taking the initiative on this. The Newnham list looks great.
Roger: I think it would be a good idea to include this and other pertinent red link lists on the other Cambridge colleges on the editathon page. If you or Newnham have managed to develop specific relationships with other women's colleges or universities, it might also be possible to create red link lists on some of them. In addition, you could invite them to draw up their own red link lists of women they hope to cover. On the editathon page, I suggest we place more emphasis on students who became notable rather than on Art+Feminism, etc. And how about the invitation? It might be a good idea to send a separate one out to Wikipedians attached to the colleges you hope to bring on board. Just let me what you want and I'll try to put something together. And thanks for all your work on the editathon page. It's starting to take shape.--Ipigott (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I've caught up with Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/38. I'll add links to a set of college lists, to that page, probably within the next day or two. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Copying parts of my recent comments from user:Ipigott#Meetup 37 invitations x2 to here: In the US, the prominent historical women's colleges include the East Coast-based Seven Sisters (Barnard College, Bryn Mawr College, Mount Holyoke College, Radcliffe College, Smith College, Vassar College, and Wellesley College), plus the California-based Scripps College and Mills College. But certainly, we need to be inclusive of all continents (e.g. avoid UK/US content gender gap systemic bias), so I hope the plan is to include redlists based on some of these schools, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
We can do that, Rosiestep. About time we had some new redlists. I'll start with Cambridge, then do your shortlist, then ask wikidata to tell me which colleges have the most women-without-biogs associated with them, and start working through them. If there are any suggested changes to the format in User:Tagishsimon/Newnham College Alumni (e.g. columns, ordering), let me know now, before I start duplicating it. I'll throw in some prettification of the header text for free. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:17, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Tagishsimon, this, User:Tagishsimon/Newnham College Alumni, is nice. I think having more Wikidata-redlists is a good thing, so creating them for Barnard College, Bryn Mawr College, Mount Holyoke College, Radcliffe College, Smith College, Vassar College, and Wellesley College is a good thing. But before doing any additional work, I think Roger and/or Ipigott need to clarify if the March event (#38) focuses only on Newnham missing women, or women from all women's colleges. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
This is so cool Simon, and Ian and Rosie's ideas add great support. Its already got me to add an article or two and a few images. At the moment the editathon page is still very fluid so feel free to delete liks to less relevant lists and install them here. I m thinking that we could tweet these lists to the target universities to see if anyone bites. Edinburgh Uni is a good supporter. Is there anyone "lurking" on this conversation who has a uni they would like doing?
Here's a wikidata report of counts of women with no biog per educational institute, for all women on Wikidata having an 'educated at' property. Sadly, at this point, the collection of Cambridge Colleges idea falls apart: Newnham has 57 qualifying records. St John's College has 2. Christ's, Emmanuel, Girton and Queens' Colleges each have 1. The rest have none.
On Rosiestep's list, the scores are Barnard College 2, Bryn Mawr College 13, Radcliffe College 5, Smith College 2, Vassar College 5, Wellesley College 9, Mount Holyoke College 0, Scripps College 0 and Mills College 0.
So. We have Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by education/UK - Cambridge - Newnham College. I'm inclined to add redlists in the descending count order shown in the wikidata report. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Various comments on all of the above. First, the reason we have so many women from Newnham without a biog seems to be that someone has gone to the trouble of adding names on the basis of other indexes, even if there are no articles in the other languages. I'm not sure whether this is the case for other colleges, especially the ones not in Oxford or Cambridge. Second, as there now seems to be general agreement on the scope of the editathon, I will adapt the /38 page placing the emphasis first on Newnham and the other Oxford colleges for women and then on other women's colleges throughout the world. We can certainly start with Tagishsimon's red link list for Newnham, perhaps adding others as interest evolves. I'll also prepare an invitation which we can try to send out to those who appear to be potentially interested in covering biographies of students, faculty, etc. I think we could also try to contact some of the universities Roger mentioned in our early discussions on this. I seem to remember Rome and at least one in Australia. I'll look back over our earlier discussions unless you can remind me here, Roger. The sooner we get moving on this, the more likely we are to attract participants from Britain and around the world. And how about the BBC? Any news from Gareth?--Ipigott (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ian, thanks so much for your and Simon's work. It is markedly improved. We lost a lot of headway as Cambridge decided on its commitment. That is now settled but as you highlight we have lost some impetus. Your suggestions for re-advertising seems good. I know that Charles has some press contacts. I will renew the email to Gareth but he was looking for a new angle on the story. I will relook at the twitter feeds. Edinburgh Uni and Kent Uni showed some interest. I didn't see any response from US colleges like Smith. I could arrange for a direct approach to these but I feel that we need a Wikipedia to hold their hands. Is anyone in Massachusetts (Smith?)? More follows ... have to go Victuallers (talk) 11:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Tasks#By country and educational institute. Feel free to add more. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much, Tagishsimon, for all these. What jn German we would call ein wahres Meisterwerk. As you indicate, many more could be added. In the absence of Wikidata entries based on biographical lexicons and dictionaries, it looks to me as if the American universities would not produce anything interesting in the way of red links on the EN wiki. But the general approach looks really useful for the Role Models editathon and future work on notable women.--Ipigott (talk) 14:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Contacts for other women's colleges[edit]

(prepared before your last message) Sorry to keep pushing you on this, Roger, but I think it would be useful if we could identify contacts at some of the other colleges and universities which have been mentioned in connection with Role Models. Early on, you said Carol Black had contacts with Smith College and some Australian universities. I think at one point you or someone else also mentioned Rome (La Sapienza?). Please try to get Black to give you the names of the colleges and any representatives who would be interested in participating in the editathon or promoting it. You could then email them and draw their attention to the Role Models editathon page.

My second idea is to draw up a list of women's colleges and other potentially interested universities with a view to encouraging their participation. You have mentioned Edinburgh, Cardiff, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Smith College, Barnard College and the University of the West Indies. Rosie has mentioned Bryn Mawr College, Mount Holyoke College, Radcliff College, Vassar College, Wellesley College, Scripps College and Mills College. Are there any others? Maybe Missvain or SusunW can help out, perhaps suggesting editors or Wikipedians in residence who might like to spread the news or even participate. I think it would be a good idea to post invitations along these lines on some of the WikiProject talk pages.--Ipigott (talk) 12:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I took my shot with the University of West Indies and was turned down flat. I am in southern Mexico and know of virtually no one who edits on WP here, certainly not on English WP. The handful of editors I know on WP are in WiR and I have zero idea what their academic connections might be. If you are looking for names of Women's colleges, Spelman College should certainly be on the list. World wide, I have no idea. I cannot access this book [3] which appears to be a world-wide survey of women's colleges. SusunW (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Ian, I feel sure that we can get contacts at these colleges via Newnham but lets say that the "??? college" says OK ..... how do we convert that into action. The approach that Susun made to the University of the West Indies apart from their refusal. If they had sais yes then Susun could have held their hand. I you or anyone listening is willing to be that contact then that would be ideal. Are there any volunteers with a target institution? .... I will look back thro the twitter messages Victuallers (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please explain how you are not WP:INVOLVED. --NeilN talk to me 16:36, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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I am recreating a page of a member of en:Wikipedia. I have made changes to the text that remove the objections. This is "de facto" a new page. I have recreated deleted pages before where I can improve them and make them of benefit to the project. Removing the traces of a keen Wikipedian is IMO counter productive to the project. SvG is not "my mate", but I do feel that he is being metaphorically kicked whilst on the ground. This does not reflect well on this project. Victuallers (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Why can we not have a place where new users can try stuff out! Its crazy to think that they will understand a deletion of their first try at work on wikipedia. Surely if it isn't actually illegal then they should be allowed some latitude in a sandbox. Victuallers (talk) 16:17, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry Fae, don't know. Never come across a transgender teacher or student. I suspect that sometimes I have met students who are "questioning" (or I *think* they are going to - prob. in error!). Not sure but I speculate that this question doesn't get resolved until later. I was reading that the average to come "out" was now in teens. Great progress. Victuallers (talk) 14:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. My understanding is that many transgender children self-identify before they get to puberty, and many will say that they always felt they were not the gender they were born with when in primary school. Anyway, it's a complex area that much more is known about now than a couple of decades ago. Young trans childen, in Europe at least (!), are far more likely to have positive support, rather than being told they are mentally ill. If I get the chance, I'll follow up with a younger trans person who has had some personal experience of what goes in the state system now. -- (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
@: Is this link any good to you- it says NI, but NASUWT is in the main a English union, and generally NI is more social conservative so it may have been felt that this was more of an issue over there. The Grauniad had a piece back in 2014, and HM Gov includes advice in its official publication on bullying. ClemRutter (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

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Caroline Leigh Gascoigne[edit]

Do you have access to any university resources regarding Caroline Leigh Gascoigne? She's definitely notable but I can't find much on her. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I think you have it Rosie. I couldnt find any really useful extra cites. Victuallers (talk) 08:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Roger. I sent you two emails yesterday. Did you see the request from the UK press? Tomorrow, Friday, is the last day to respond, if you are so inclined. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC) Thanks for the reminder! done Victuallers (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Attending Wikimania[edit]

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Fiona Ellis-Chadwick[edit]

Morning Victuellers. Just wondered what she was doing there?! :) Cheers, — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 05:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

She is the woman supporting the work here as part of Wiki education. It means something to the user and me. Victuallers (talk) 07:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Right. So you will declare this relationship? With both her and the user? You see, at the moment it's all a little ambiguous. Many thanks, — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 21:01, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
She works at an East Mids Uniuversity - See my page. I do Wiki Edu work .... I cant be more than transparent. Victuallers (talk) 06:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate the transparency :) although it could be argued that eventually replying only after a poke on another admin's talk, and then directing me to your user page with reference to an 'East mids university' presumable knowing that when I get there I will find no reference to anyone called Chadwick at all, leans further towards opacity than transparency :) still, you ultimately answered my query, so many thanks! Happy Friday. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 16:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Your unblocks[edit]

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  • &%&*% OK, I never claimed to be an expert, and all actions were in good faith 16:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Given that I have mistakenly done this wrong then can I check trhat undoing it in the edit history will undo it. Victuallers (talk) 16:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Myrtle Florence Broome article and image[edit]

Thanks for adding her image. I saw her self-portrait on the art gallery website, but assumed I could not use it for the article because of copyright issues.

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Your welcome, the article deserves to look as good as it reads .... taken me a while to realise the opportunities for images. If the person is dead then fair use is OK Victuallers (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Digital Marketing and Social Media - Loughborough University[edit]

Hi Roger, just a quick heads up to let you know I have now uploaded my article edit! You can find this on the Sports Marketing page, under the titles Relationship Marketing in Sport and Social Media and Relationship Marketing in Sport. I hope this is adequate, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanHarris19 (talkcontribs) 12:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Thanks Ryan I'll have a look. NB: You can sign your messages by typing the tilde character 4 times. Victuallers (talk) 13:15, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, I just uploaded a new article, Jon Schmidt, for which I need an image. I wonder if you could crop his image (2nd from left) from the above image? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:24, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick work! Yoninah (talk) 15:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Its cropped - I reckon its cc by sa but commons people have been odd about this. I've always deleted images myself or just waited until it gets done ... and it does. Keep up the good work. R (I can force this to happen if its gets to be important)
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Digital Marketing Course[edit]

Hi, my name is Silvia and I am on your Digital Marketing and Social Media course at Loughborough University. --Silviagua (talk) 01:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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That was a ridiculously premature AfD, to my mind, let alone the ODNB ref as instant notability. But I couldn't just think what "wip" meant when I saw it in your post or in your edit summary, till I checked WP:WIP. Might be better another time to add the {{new page}} template to the article, to fend off premature AfDs like this one? (There's also {{under construction}}, though that advises against use on brand new pages, recommending the sandbox (boring); and {{in creation}}, though that talks about a "several hours" timescale.) PamD 12:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

regarding getting my article checked[edit]

Hi Roger Just wanted you to know that I wanted to write a new article and finally have written the article in my sand box its under the name Digital Marketing platforms, by user minash8. I wanted to request you to please check it once so that i can finally submit for the final creation of the page as per the guideline. Thank You Minash8 (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2017 (UTC)meenakshi. I hope to do this tomorrow. Victuallers (talk) 22:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC) Done it! Lok at the edit comments I have left you. Victuallers (talk) 13:09, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Valuble student tasks[edit]

I followed a link that a student made to Business model Talk:Business model and spent 15 minutes trying to understand the lead- and then 15 minutes making comments and re -drafting and commenting. All masters students should get credit for doing this to other inaccessible articles. Over there they were many new ideas in the lead and beyond that were not wiki-linked- this is an excellent task for a non-native speaker who will be more sensitive. ClemRutter (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC) Thank you, feel free to make notes on Fionas page. I discussed today how we can improve a later offer as we discussed. Maybe we could add this to your document? Victuallers (talk) 22:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Digital Marketing Social Media[edit]

Hi Roger, I'm Jasmine from Loughborough just wanted to let you know I'm on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasminevickers (talkcontribs) 21:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC) Good, I have added your name to the list Victuallers (talk) 22:08, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Digital Marketing-Mobile Marketing[edit]

Hi! I'm SHIJIA from Loughborough University. I have copied my contribution to Mobile Marketing to my sandbox as you told. Hope you could check it and may give me some suggestions. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SHIJIA (talkcontribs) 21:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC) I hope to do this tomorrow. Victuallers (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC) I have made changes to your sandbox. Read the edit summary. Victuallers (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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Other comment[edit]

It's pretty confusing to read when you format your replies this way (same here). Can you please indent or at least add a line break? --NeilN talk to me 13:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Well at least we have got your sighs down to more reasonable requests. I'll see what I can do - buts its not my top priority. Victuallers (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
You don't care about setting a bad example for your students? Okay then. --NeilN talk to me 18:35, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Its the sound of the sighing thats really noisy :-) Victuallers (talk) 20:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Mobile Marketing[edit]

Hi Roger,

I have put a draft of my edits in my sandbox, please would you be able to have a little look at it and see what you think? I'm just doing the intro part! Hattyanderson (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Hattie

Hi Roger. I have made the changes as directed by you. I have also added a wikipedia reference. I Used all the relevant academic sources as my source. I hope the article is fine now. Minash8 (talk) 18:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)minash8

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Thanks for making necessary corrections in my article. Regards Yavarai (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Talk page comments[edit]

Hi there! On article talk pages, it is inappropriate to remove or refactor other's talk page comments unless there is some violation (like adding inappropriate links). You can remove comments on your own talk page (here), though. For more information, please see WP:TPO. Best wishes! Waggie (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Thank you so much I will RT it, although someone just did a very similar thing ?? Victuallers (talk) 15:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Agnes Morrogh Bernard[edit]

Hello Victuallers,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Agnes Morrogh Bernard for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Stephreef (talk) 09:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Betty Bentley Beaumont[edit]

If you can access more info about her England years (before she immigrated to the US; after she returned) would you please add? Thanks, --Rosiestep (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I couldnt find anything but I gave it a copyedit. Nice work Victuallers (talk) 15:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Salwa Nassar[edit]

Greetings,

You've recently uploaded a non-free image, File:Salwa Nassar PhD.jpg, and linked it to the article about Salwa Nassar. Unfortunately this is a different Salwa Nassar from a different country and a different era. The Salwa Nassar in question died in 1967. I've found two (most probably non-free) images of her. Feel free to use those instead.

  1. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/371617406726521147/
  1. http://www.lau.edu.lb/about/history/presidents.php

Regards, --Fjmustak (talk) 22:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks @Fjmustak: - good spot. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 07:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Temessy Hédi[edit]

Hi!

The file is on Commons: File:Temessy Hédi in Ballagás.jpg. Hungarikusz Firkász (talk) 07:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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