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Dungan vocabulary requests[edit]

Could you give me the Dungan translation for these words:
Christianity
China
Jesus
Bible
Twenty
Century
True
America

--Jose77 (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Jose, this is a more realistic request for me than attempting to translate a paragraph into a language that I don't know. This is what my dictionary (ed. Yu. Yanshansin, 1968, Bishkek) would have (with Russian or Chinese equivalent, added by me, when obvious):

Christianity = җидўҗё
China = Җунгуй (中国)
Jesus = Эрса
Bible= Инҗил
Twenty - эршы (二十)
Century - шыҗи (but 世 is шы, so 世纪 probably would be шыҗи)
True = ?; but they have
  • шыди = truth; real (实的 ?)
  • шызэ = truly, in reality (实在)
  • шыян = true words, truth (实言)
  • шыхуа = truth, true words (实话)
America - Америка (Russian loanword)

As you might imagine, a small Soviet dictionary like this would not be heavy of Christian terminology, so I don't have an idea if, for example, when Dungan people decide to talk about Christianity they would use a word like 基督教 [Jidujiao] (which could be transcribed җидўҗё, in the regular way), or one more like the Russian or Arabic/Persian name for the same concept (maybe equipped with a Chinise suffix, such as 教 "җё"). Similarly, I would have no idea if Jesus would be 基督 (Җидў), or a word like Rusisan "Иисус" or Arabic Isa is used; whether the "Bible" would be 圣经 (шынҗин), or "Библия" (from Russian), or some Arabic/Persian loanword is used; whether the word 教派 (җёпэ) exists in Dungan, etc, etc.

You may be interested to know that there actually were people who set themselves the task of translating the Gospel into Dungan: http://www.ibt.org.ru/english/info/info_news_en06.htm ; http://www.orthodox.cn/news/20061115dungan_en.htm . There is a photo of the book cover there. And guess what is the word chosen to mean "Gospel"? It's "Инҗил", which of course is not Mandarin at all, but Arabic Injil! So I would say that if you are really serious about rendering your Church's message into that language, you may want to contact IBT and get yourself a copy of the Gospels in Dungan - that would give you all vocabulary you need.

In practice, though, my impression is that that Russian is very widely known in Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan by people of all ethnic groups. Regardless of one's ethnicity, pretty much all Internet users in those countries are likely to have a good command of Russian. Nonetheless, I appreciate your desire to express your message in other languages, and I am sorry that I don't happen to know them.

I agree. Perhaps the word for "Jesus" could be "Isa" as mentioned in the Koran but this needs to be confirmed. --Jose77 (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC) The Dungan word for "Jesus" is "Эрса". --Jose77 (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

As a bonus, a few words that were attested in the dictionary:

  • җин = a holy book, a religious book (经)
  • җин = an evil spirit, a daemon (憬)
  • пушы = (entire) world (普世)
  • пушыди = world wide ( (普世的)
  • пушы-тянщя = everywhere in the world (普世天下)
  • тян = sky, heaven (天)
  • тяншон = in the sky ("in the heaven"?) (天上)
  • тянтон = Paradise (天堂 ?)
  • тянщя = universe (天下)
  • тянщян = angel (天仙 ?)
  • Шэтани = shaitan, satan (from Arabic)
  • шыщин-шыйи = sincerely, honestly (实心实意)
  • шызы = cross (十字)
  • шыдэ = era (时代)
  • шын = spirit, deity (神? 圣? )
  • шын ды гуй = [the good] spirit and the devil (神...鬼)
  • шы, шыҗе = world (世, 世界)
  • шынпэзы = [a Christian] icon (圣牌子)
  • шысы = fact (事实)
  • шыфын-шийи = in reality (十分实意 (?))
  • шышон, шыҗёшон = in the world (世上, 世界上)

Regards, Vmenkov (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou very very much for your Excellent help Mr. Vmenkov.
I am currently in the process of compiling a Chinese pinyin to Dungan vocabulary list.
Would you also be able to kindly help me transliterate the "real" Dungan text here into the Dungan cyrillic alphabet? Because it is currently in latinized form.
Thankyou very much.--Jose77 (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC).

Ah, the schoolbook exaxmples quoted in Victor Mair's article! I'll try to do it some time, but not right away. Vmenkov (talk) 08:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Dungan words, 2nd installment[edit]

In the meantime do you know the Dungan equivalents for these words:
  • Pray 祷告
  • Year年
  • Feet/foot 脚
  • Spirit灵
  • Wash洗
  • Rest/sabbath 安息/安息日
  • Save/salvation救
  • Receive 得到
  • Judgement 审判
  • Last最后
  • Sing Song 唱歌
  • Dance 跳舞
  • Cure 医治
  • Illness 病
  • True 真
  • cast out (the devil) 赶
  • interpretation 解释
  • ten thousand 万
  • luck 福
  • sound 声音
  • Nation 民族
  • meeting 开会
  • worship 拜
  • mistake 错误
  • Spread 传
  • Enter 进入
  • Welcome 欢迎

--Jose77 (talk) 08:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies if I have caused any inconveniencies to you due to my regular editing on your talk page. --Jose77 (talk) 09:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

See below, as per the same small dictionary. For some words not in the dictionary I have put a hypothetical "transcription" preceded by a "*".

  • Pray 祷告 (*дого)
  • Year年 нян
  • Feet/foot 脚  ? (*җё)
  • Spirit灵  ? (but they have шын = spirit, deity (神? 圣? ))
  • Wash洗 щи
  • Rest/sabbath 安息/安息日 ?
  • Save/salvation救 җю (not necessarily with any religious overtones, of course)
  • Receive 得到 дый (得) (* дыйдо, 得到)
  • Judgement 审判  ? (* шынпан)
  • Last最后  ? (* зуйху)
  • Sing Song 唱歌 (* чон гә)
  • Dance 跳舞 (* тё ву)
  • Cure 医治 ?
  • Illness 病 бин
  • True 真 (see my previous message)
  • cast out (the devil) 赶 ?
  • interpretation 解释 ?
  • ten thousand 万 ван (they do have вансуй for 万岁)
  • luck 福 фу
  • sound 声音 шын, шынйин
  • Nation 民族 минзў
  • meeting 开会 кэ хўй (to open a meeting; to conduct a meeting)
  • worship 拜 ?
  • mistake 错误 цуә (错) to make a mistake; a mistake
  • Spread 传 чуан
  • Enter 进入 (* җинжў: they do have җин (进))
  • Welcome 欢迎  ?

Bonus words, from the same 1968 dictionary:

  • йимани - belief (in God) (from Arabic iman)
  • йилюха - to bequeath
  • вансуй - 万岁
  • мәмин - a true Muslim
  • минҗин - the time of one's death
  • Мыйгуй - 美国 (along with Америка)
  • нэмазы - namaz (Muslim prayer)
  • сэвабу - an action good for the salvation of one's soul
  • сэҗыдэ - bowing to the ground (while praying)
  • суәдэгэ - alms, donations (to religious charity)
  • хуәкын - Hell (火坑)
  • хўйхўй - a Muslim; a Hui person (回回)
  • хўйхўй җё - Islam (回回教)

Obviously, the fact that I could not find a Dungan version of a Mandarin word in this small dictionary (looking up at its expected spelling) does not mean that it does not exist - and vice versa, some words attested in the dictionary may not be current anymore... Vmenkov (talk) 12:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Gratitude[edit]

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THANKYOU SO MUCH Mr. Vladimir Menkov for your Outstanding Translation effort!
I am overwhelmed with gratitude.
May God Bless you!


If you want your favorite articles to be translated into the Chinese or Minnan language, then I would be glad to help you. --Jose77 (talk) 22:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Dungan Words, 3rd Installment[edit]

Greetings Mr. Vladimir Menkov my friend,

Do you know the Dungan translations for these Chinese characters:
  • 安 (ān); eg. Peace (平安), comfort (安慰)
  • 和 (hé); eg. and (与/及)
  • 现 (xiàn); eg. appear (出现), discover (发现)
  • 创 (chuàng); eg. create (创造), establish (创建/建立), begin/commence (开始)
  • 目标 (mùbiāo); eg. Aim/purpose/goal (目的)
  • 更 (gēng); eg. Change/alter (更改), Renovate (更新), Reform (改革)
  • 各 (gè); eg. Every/each (各自)
  • 误 (wù); eg. Misunderstanding (误解), Error (错误/误差)
  • 对 (duì); eg. Sorry (对不起), Dialogue (对话), Compare (对照)
  • 解 (jiě); eg. Understanding (了解), Explain/Explanation (解释)
  • 正 (zhèng); eg. Accurate (正确), Correct/correction (更正),
  • 拯 (zhěng); eg. Rescue/Save/deliver (拯救)
  • 真 (zhēn); eg. Sincere/Genuine (真诚); Real/Actual/Authentic (真实); , genuine/real (真正)
  • 包 (bāo); eg. Including/comprising/consisting of (包括)
  • 靠 (kào); eg. rely on/lean on/depend on (依靠)
  • 赶 (gǎn); eg. catch up (赶上), hurry up (赶快),
  • 治 (zhì); eg. Rule/govern/administer (统治/治理),
  • 礼 (lǐ); eg. Ceremony (典礼), Circumcision (割礼), Marriage (婚礼), religious service (礼拜),
  • 拜 (bài); eg. Visit/pay a visit (拜访), Request (拜托)
  • 餐 (cān); eg. Meal (餐), restaurant (餐厅), Breaskfast/Lunch/dinner (早餐/午餐/晚餐)
  • 息 (xī); eg. New/tidings (消息), Interest (利息)
  • 主 (zhǔ); eg. Lord/master (主/主人), Advocate/proposal (主张), mainly/mostly/principal (主要), Allah (真主)
  • 跪 (guì); eg. Kneel down (跪下)
  • 同 (tóng); eg. Same time (同时), identical (相同/同样)
  • 本 (běn); eg. Originally (本来/原本), basic (基本)
  • 独 (dú); eg. independent (独立), unique (独特)
  • 地 (dì); eg. Earth/ground (地球/地上), Map (地图)
  • 徒 (tú); eg. Members/Followers/disciples/believers (信徒/门徒)
  • 强 (qiáng); eg. Emphasise (强调); Strong (强)

--Jose77 (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Could you check the Russian-Dungan dictionary to see if the following words exist:

  • Soul/Душа/灵魂
  • Genuine (подлинный, истинный, настоящий, искренний, одлинный, подлинный, неподдельный, чистопородный)
  • Establish (учреждать, упрочивать, укреплять, создавать, заложить)

--Jose77 (talk) 06:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Barnstar Award[edit]

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Siberian Cossack[edit]

You added this to article Ivan Petlin. What do you think of the use of 'Cossack' to refer to practically the whole Russian population of early Siberia? These people were mostly from Northern Russia and seemingly had nothing to do with the Don or Zaporozhian Cossacks. Is this a loose way of saying that they were neither landlords not peasants, is it a misuse by foreigners, or does Cossack have some meaning that I do not understand?Benjamin Trovato (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Truth be told, I don't know much about the Cosacks, but I am certainly aware that besides the better known Don Cossacks and Zaporozhia Cossacks, there was a veritable host of other "Cossack hosts", such as the Siberian Cossacks. I believe that being a Cossack was indeed a particular legal status (soslovie) in Czarist Russia (distinct, indeed, both from peasants and landlords), with its own rights and obligations (in particular, military ones, of course).
As to Ivan Petlin and his traveling companion, I follow the venerable Samuel Purchas, who no doubt went along with the text of the original (1619) reports in Russian, which include phrases like this: "Лета 7128 августа в... день государь царь и великий князь Михайло Федорович всеа Русии велел сибирского Томского города казаку Ивану Петлину проведывати про Китайское государство и про Обь-реку великую и про иные государства" ("On August ... of AM 7128, the Lord Mikhailo Feodorovich, Czar and Great Prince of All Russia, ordered Ivan Petlin, a Cossack of the Siberian City of Tomsk to investigate about the Cathayan [Kitayskoye] State and the great Ob River and about other states"). The "Tomsk Cossack" appellation was then used in the title of numerous Russian publications of Petlin papers in the 19th and early 20th century, back when the Cossacks were still around as an actual soslovie, so I assume that the historians who used the term knew what they were doing.
As I was looking at other "Petlin papers" in this collection, I've noticed that at least one does use a more general term than "Cossack" to describe Petlin and Madov. Namely, the Tomsk voevoda I.S. Kurakin, reporting to Czar Mikhail, writes: "В нынешнем, государь, во 127 году писали мы, холопи твои, к [91] тебе, государю, с тоболь[ским] конным казаком с Климком Бобошиным, што пришли в Тоболеск ис Китайского государства и от Алтына-царя томские служилые люди Иваинко Петлин да Ондрюшка Мадов", i.e., "we... sent a report to Your Majesty with the Tobolsk Mounted Cossack Klim Boboshin, that the Tomsk Service People Ivan Petln and Andrei Madov had returned to Tobolsk ....". So in this letter, the voyvoda uses different terms for different people: he sends a Cossack to the Czar to report of the arrival of the Service class people (ru:Служилые люди) Petlin and Madov. But even then, according to the Russian wiki, the Service class people (ru:Служилые люди) included Cossacks as one of their subgroups, so this text is not necessarily contradictory. Vmenkov (talk) 03:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
P.S. And as to the very early Russian Siberian (i.e. the first several decades of the 17th century), I would not be surprised that most of the Russian people in Siberia (or at least in the areas closer to the current frontier of expansion) during some decades were in fact classified as Cossacks [or Service People in general]. While I don't know this for a fact, I reckon that in any given region there certainly had to be a period of exploration / conquest prior to the start of more regular agricultural and urban settlement, which brought more "conventional" Russian peasants and city people (meshchane, ru:мещане) to the region. Vmenkov (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The best source I could find is Raymond H. Fisher, 'The Russian Fur Trade',1943. He says that service-men were divided into Voyevodas,boyar-sons,streltsy,prisoners of war and cossacks-the largest class. In return for compulsory military service they received a salary and a plot of land (in eastern Siberia??) and elected their own atamans (??). When their services were not needed they could work on their own account. 'Ultimately all these military serving men came to be known as Cossacks', probably because distinctions broke down under frontier conditions. This still does not explain how the term migrated from the Don to Siberia. A mystery. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 06:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Again, I don't claim expertise on this matter, but I reckon that the term migrated from the Lower Volga (home of the Volga Cossacks, mostly suppressed by the government in the late 16th) to the Kama (being recently conquered, and intensively colonized, in the 1570s) to Siberia (with Yermak).
A cursory search on Google Books reveals plenty of references to the 16th century Cossack activities not just on the Don and the Yaik (now Ural; see Ural Cossacks) but on the Volga as well. (They sure knew the way there - after all, that's where Stepan Razin had his rebellion a century later... ). While you don't hear much about "Volga Cossacks" these days, they apparently were quite active in the 16th c. - but already in decline, suppressed by Moscow authorities, by 1600: http://books.google.com/books?id=oIJcxOCwv54C&pg=PA11&dq="volga+cossacks"&as_brr=3&ei=VDMOS_DQHpOElQTo4JGYDA#v=onepage&q="volga cossacks"&f=false , page 11; http://books.google.com/books?id=SXewkdStLTEC&pg=PA60&dq="volga+cossacks"&as_brr=3&ei=4zEOS8C5FZWelQS6iqTYCw#v=onepage&q="volga cossacks"&f=false Ranging on the Volga, of course they would take part in the colonization of the recently conquered (after the fall of Kazan) Kama basin in the second half of the 16th century; thus, Yermak Timofeyevich was able to go from the Upper Kama to Siberia ca. 1580 with a band of Cossacks...
Forsyth has 58 hits for "Cossacks" in his book ( http://books.google.com/books?id=nzhq85nPrdsC&pg=PA33&dq=cossacks&as_brr=3&ei=eDQOS9nqE4qQlQSD8vicDA#v=onepage&q=cossacks&f=false , mostly none too complimentary ), and feels that the term was sometimes used quite generically (pp. 33-34). Vmenkov (talk) 08:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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Russian Far East[edit]

Hi, Vladimir! When I first joined Wikipedia, my intent was to work on the topics related mostly to the Russian Far East. I did that for a while, but then moved on to broader subjects. Nevertheless, I managed to leave after me a whole lot of mess (well, it wasn't mess then, but by our current criteria it is). One of the things I was routinely doing is to include very early histories of areas on which modern Russian places now stand. History of Primorsky Krai, for example, contains a whole bunch of stuff dating back to Bronze and Iron Ages, and there were a few other articles like that. At that time, there was no good place to put that kind of information, but now it can probably very easily be split into separate articles or even merged into existing ones. Would that be something you'd be interested in doing every now and then? I see, for instance, that you've recently worked on the Blagoveshchensk article; perhaps it would have been easy for you to offload the "early history" section to somewhere else? I do believe this kind of information adds value to these articles, but the problem is that it is often way too elaborate and creates a false impression of longer history (which, for the most part, has nothing to do with the Russians). A short paragraph or two is often quite sufficient, and, if a need arises, the main subject can always be linked to via {{Main}}. Do you have any thoughts about this?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:47, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Uvazhaemye Ëzhiki:
Cesarevich Nicholas was welcomed to Vladovostok...
... even as the Jurchen stone tortoise was welcomed at Khabarovsk!
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. This region is not my top interest at the moment, but I do edit relevant articles every now and then. More often than not, I do it when I get too annoyed by seeing a little fact appear in a distorted or a strangely out-of-context way (as it was with Nikolayevsk-on-Amur a while back, I believe), and I feel it appropriate to provide more of that context. So in a sense I feel that I don't initiate "adding remote and irrelevant history" (as someone might say) to those articles, but rather try to bring existing half-digested pieces of history (usually, deposited by some anonymous contributors ages ago) into better shape. Thus my response to your suggestion will be necessarily "nuanced".
1) I certainly feel that plenty more separate articles on historical issues - peoples, places, and events - related to the Russian Far East and Northeastern China ought to be created and expanded. I myself have created such articles as Duchers, Sarhuda, Yishiha, Tyr, Russia, Boris Petrovich Polevoy and significantly expanded Zabaykalsk, South Manchurian Railway, Aigun, Ning'an, Ivan Petlin, Russian–Manchu border conflicts, Willow Palisade. I hope to do something with Outer Manchuria some day; at present, I can only be puzzled by the term, because of a seemingly anachronistic and "a-historic" name (basically, my impression is that the expression "Outer Manchuria" has hardly been ever used in the purported meaning outside of Wikipedia; a more likely early (19th c) use was simply, "the part of Manchuria north of the Willow Palisade". But I digress here...) So I certainly am in favor in creating higher-level historical articles and linking to them from individual cities' articles. How to properly "divide" the history is, of course, another issue - there should be of course a History of Amur Oblast article, but even then much material could probably located not there but in articles whose topic is defined in a more appropriately historical way - e.g. Amur Valley during the Bronze Age, or Russian settlements in 17th century Amur Basin, or Qiqiha'er Governorate, or whatever.
2) In principle, I quite agree with you in not being in favor of putting only vaguely relevant history material into every article that it can be conceivable connected to. (E.g., one could insert a disquisition on the Silk Road into most articles about Central Asian cities, but I try only to insert facts from that period that are relevant to the particular city).
3) Nonetheless, I don't think that I added too much "prehistory" to this particular article, Blagoveshchensk. That is, there are now exactly 7 sentences in the section Blagoveshchensk#Early_history_of_the_region (i.e., dealing with the area's history before 1856). These sentences were intended either to link to larger-scope historic articles of relevance (such as Russian–Manchu border conflicts or Treaty of Nerchinsk), or to talk about settlements that existed within immediate vicinity of today's Blagoveshchensk (i.e., first the Duchers' Aytyun, then the Manchus' Old Aigun), and for which there is no separate article. I don't think that the "impression of longer history" is necessarily false; nor do I think that the fact that the people who had lived in the area of today's Blagoveshchensk and Heihe during most of the last 1000 years had "nothing to do with the Russians" (or with Chinese) implies that the their history does not belong in the story of Blagoveshchensk. There is a big paragraph on Eora in Sydney; there is a bit of Mi'kmaq, and plenty more on Acadians in City of Halifax; so I daresay that the Duchers or Daurs deserve at least as much. In my view, history is continuous, and the existence of the (Ducher) agricultural civilization in the region in the 17th century affected both the Russians' and the Manchus' actions at the time, which in their turn determined what happened to the area for the next 200 years. And even if the Russian settlers and governors of the 1860s and later decades may have wanted to have a clean break with the past, I don't think that that was possible.
From my point of view, the problem with Blagoveshchensk#History is not so much that it has too much on "pre-history", but that it has too little on later (Russian Empire / USSR) history! As you can see, I have added a couple paragraphs (and references) on 1890-1900, but I have no ambition to write other sections from scratch - but it, obviously, is absolutely ridiculous that the article presently has exactly one (1) sentence on the city's USSR-period history! I guess that, unlike Nizhny Novgorod, Khabarovsk, or, lately, Tyumen, we just don't have any contributors from Blagoveshchensk who are interested in writing a good article about the place's more recent history - but IMHO that's hardly a reason why other contributors should not add information on other periods for which they have sources. Ideally, of course, the history section should be expanded to at least a couple pages, with both pre- and post-1917 information; and once it's that big, it will be justify to move most of it into a separate History of Blagoveshchensk article.
With Nikolayevsk-na-Amure (which I edited a year or so ago) the situation was a bit different: it used to have some, generally correct, but strangely represented, facts, and I just tried reference them and put them in the right context (which, incidentally, would indicate that Tyr, Russia is a fairly long way upstream from Nikolayevsk-na-Amure, so the facts in fact aren't all that relevant... But again, lacking a history article with a proper scope to which I could move those facts (and then refer to them with {{Main}}), I did not move them out of the article.
4) If you have an inclination to reorganize history coverage for the region by creating appropriate articles and reshuffling existing material accordingly, I will be only glad to see that. I probably don't have time and sufficient dedication to undertake such a project myself. Two projects for which I do have plans to finally complete them are User:Vmenkov/Linxia City and Dungan Rebellion, and both are 2+ years in the making already... Vmenkov (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful reply, Vladimir. With Blagoveshchensk, I admit it wasn't the best example to use; it just was something that popped up in my watchlist that day, so I used it as an example. I most certainly don't think that there is too much "pre-history" in that particular article. History of Primorsky Krai, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.
All in all, my thoughts about handling the history sections of places/oblasts/krais in the RFE are as follows. With cities, I believe it suffices to provide a short blurb regarding the area in which that particular city is located, but the detailed stuff should start from around the time of the city's foundation by the Russians. With Vladivostok, for example, we could mention that the area had a rich medieval history followed by a period of relative quiet, and then really go into details starting with the 1850s. For modern polities (like Primorsky Krai or Amur Oblast) the focus should really be on the 1930s and later. Earlier histories should be placed in articles about earlier entities (like currently non-existing Primorskaya Oblast), and histories earlier still would be covered in more appropriate articles (for example, describing the intricacies of Mohe tribes in the "history of Primorsky Krai" article in relation to modern districts of Primorsky Krai, as it is currently done, makes no sense whatsoever). Yeah, Mohe did live on the territory of modern Terneysky District, but that warrants a short side note in the Terneysky District article at best, not an elaborate description in an article about the history of a krai which did not even exist until 1938. While history is continuous, care should be exercised as to not imply connections which are simply not there. It's not about severing links to the past (i.e., separating Russian and pre-Russian histories); it's about not creating links that never were. Ancient Jurchens have no relation to modern Primorsky Krai whatsoever, other than the fact that their empires covered the same territory Primorsky Krai now does. There simply is no continuity here. You and me know that, of course, but I'm afraid an uninformed reader stumbling upon the "history of Primorsky Krai" article might very well get a very false impression.
The bottom line is that I'd love to be the one to organize all that history stuff neatly and properly, but when I was asking you I was kind of hoping you'd be able to do it (since you are one of very few people interested in this area). Alas, it seems you don't have much more time for that than I do, so I'm not going to keep bugging you, asking to clean up the mess for which I myself am in no small part responsible. So, all I ask of you is to keep in mind possible splits and separations if you happen to stumble upon something you are going to edit anyway (like Blagoveshchensk or Nikolayevsk-na-Amure). Thanks again for your time and response!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:54, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Eurasian Land Bridge[edit]

A content RfC has been opened on this topic if you would like to comment. Cla68 (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the help and input with the article. One concern: this edit provided some good information, but it isn't cited. In order to pass the Good Article assessment, it needs a citation. A Russian language source is fine if that's where it's from. Otherwise, I'll have to remove it in order to pass the assessment. Cla68 (talk) 05:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Great work on adding a lot of good information. Perhaps a lot of that also needs to be added to the main articles on those railroads. I'll need to go through and list the sources in the references section, so I may need to ask you for more detail on the Russian sources. Thanks again. Cla68 (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
[1] It's just that when I searched for the word in Wikipedia, it came up with several locations around Eastern China with that same name, so I took the easy way of dealing with it. Cla68 (talk) 12:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
That link to Trans-Eurasian logistics is very useful. By the way, I'll probably be spending some time fixing up the Bering Strait crossing article which means I may be away from the Eurasian Land Bridge article for awhile. Cla68 (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Turtle farming[edit]

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Bixi (tortoise) layout[edit]

The Marco Polo Bridge image's caption is far longer than the other one, thus I think in terms of appearance, it looks much better for it to be on the right and leave some space for the image and the text. It looks crowded if its on the left hand side.--Sevilledade (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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Request for input[edit]

Hi Vmenkov,

I've often seen you making edits to China-related articles and you always do good work. So I was wondering if you'd like to (if you have time) offer comments or criticism on the July 2009 Ürümqi riots, which is currently at FAC (see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/July 2009 Ürümqi riots/archive1). If not, that's ok; just thought I'd ask. Best, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 08:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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What is your opinion? Share with us![edit]

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Linxia City[edit]

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Splitting Motorize bicycle into two articles[edit]

I wanted to make sure that you had seen my discussion re: my plans to split Motorized bicycle into two articles, one of which will deal exclusively with ebikes. Please let me know if you have any input. Thanks! Ebikeguy (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Kungkang (talk · contribs)[edit]

I am concerned that this may be a sock of Yongle the Great (talk · contribs) who had some sleeper socks and still edits daily with new accounts and IPs. Like Yongle, he/she is unresponsive on their talk page, doesn't use edit summaries, and edits similar arguments. I'm away now until Saturday so can do little about him except place a warning on his page. Dougweller (talk) 14:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

No worries, if you feel like undoing what he did (and I did after him), I have nothing against that. Vmenkov (talk) 14:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Machang qingzhensi[edit]

Hello Vmenkov! I just wrote a short article about (de:Xidaotang) (in German). Do you have further information about the building? Best, Reiner Stoppok --77.188.129.20 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Reiner, Thank you for writing the article. By the way, I recall that there is a whole chapter (or at least a section) on Xidaotang in J. Lipman's book. If you are interested, but neither have access to the hard copy of the book nor can view those pages on Google Books, I can email you a photocopy.
As to the mosque building itself, I don't know anything about it - I just took a picture as I was walking by... In fact, you can see from the file names that when I (and the other poster, earlier) posted our photos, neither of us even knew its name! Now I have added the coordinates of the building (as based on the "Satellite" mode in Google Maps, where it can be seen quite clearly; the Satellite view seems to be shifted by a few hundreds of meters from the "Map" mode, though!) to commons:Category:Linxia_Xidaotang_Machang_Mosque, but that's the only bit of knowledge I can communicate.
Keep the good work! -- Vmenkov (talk) 02:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Here it is more clear ... ;) Keep the good work (and the good photography)! Reiner Stoppok --77.183.115.102 (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hydro power plants in China[edit]

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July 2009 Ürümqi riots is at FAC[edit]

Hi, Vmenkov. We have discussed this article before, and I was wondering if you'd be interested in expressing your opinion or offering suggestions/criticisms at the FAC, located here. Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Bixi[edit]

Hi, Vmenkov

Please see my note in the discussion page of Bixi (tortoise). Have a nice day.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Note taken, correction made. Thanks for correcting the Kagan's name. -- Vmenkov (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Article in Dungan[edit]

Hi Vmenkov,

Here my attempt at the translation to Dungan:

What do you think? --Jose77 (talk) 03:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Ma Hualong[edit]

Just wanted to give you some kudos for updating the Ma Hualong page. Jordalus (talk) 17:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for File:Chingachgook-ASIN-B00005NFMB.jpg[edit]

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Metallurgical_education[edit]

Would you have anything to add here Talk:Metallurgical_education#Redirection? Thanks. Philly jawn (talk) 16:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Metallurgical education[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Muticolored Mosque[edit]

Hello Vmenkov. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Muticolored Mosque, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: reasonable redirect from alternative spelling. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 09:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't spot the missing "l" - that is indeed a good R3 and I have deleted it. JohnCD (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK Hong Bao[edit]

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DYK for Hong Bao[edit]

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DYK nomination of Ghiyasu'd-Din Naqqah[edit]

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WikiProject Central Asia[edit]

Hi~ Based on some of your recent edits, I wanted to invite you to join WikiProject Central Asia. I think you would be a valuable contributor. Aelfthrytha (talk) 02:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Мумиё[edit]

See discussions at User talk:Silver seren#Article rescue and User talk:Uncle G#About mumijo. It might be worth your dropping at note at Talk:Shilajit#Mumiyo deserves a separate article, too. Uncle G (talk) 19:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Ministry of External Relations (Soviet Union)[edit]

Since you previously commented on the issue, you might want to chime in at Talk:Ministry of External Relations (Soviet Union)#Requested move. Nsk92 (talk) 15:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Bely Yar[edit]

Just wanted to say thanks for this clarification. But do you know if it is a part of any inhabited locality there, or not? I'm trying to rid that page of that entry altogether and move the fort information to an applicable article, and I don't have access to mapping services at the moment. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 1, 2010; 20:07 (UTC)

All I know is what the Russian Wikipedia and Google Maps say! The article ru:Белоярское сельское поселение (Ульяновская область) claims that the "rural settlement" includes (among other things):
  1. село Новый Белый Яр — административный центр;
  2. село Старый Белый Яр;
Google Maps shows both villages, within 2-3 miles from each other. It would be logical to assume that the old fort (and, probably whatever is shown as Bely Jar at File:Stielers_Handatlas_1891_47.jpg) was at (or near) what's called Stary Bely Yar now-a-days; some of the old village may have been lost to the Kuybyshev Reservoir, though. The article at http://www.ulgov.ru/power/regions/cherdaklar/ actually has a phone number for the village's local government - you can call if you really care! :-) -- Vmenkov (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Did a bit of searching, and here are all the gory details, much as I thought. It seems that the most notable event in the 20th-century history of the place was the capture of a giant beluga sturgeon in 1933: "21 июня 1933 года недалеко от Старого Белого Яра удалось поймать неводом белугу весом 343 кг." -- Vmenkov (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I do actually care to the point that I would call them :) Unfortunately, whatever they tell me (which I doubt is going to be much if I just call out of the blue) won't qualify as a reliable source, so there. At any rate, thanks much for looking into this. I'm going to check what kind of old maps I have back at home; perhaps there'll be some clues there. Thanks again; you've helped quite a bit!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 1, 2010; 21:16 (UTC)

DYK for Fate, Shulan[edit]

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Xiao’erjing[edit]

I noticed you’ve contributed to the article on Xiao’erjing. Could you please help adding inline citations to that article and/or discuss here? --Babelfisch (talk) 04:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the history, and my contribution to that article was pretty minimal, and not involved adding actual facts. I don't consider myself knowledgeable on the topic in any way, but know that Lipman's book (mentioned among the sources) has a few pages on the history of XEJ, and probably so does Dillon's book as well. Unfortunately, I will be traveling for the next month, and won't have a chance to look at the sources. -- Vmenkov (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Zhejiang Railway Station listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Shou Qiu‎ & Shaohao Tomb‎[edit]

Thank you for providing all the material on these sites. I appreciate it a lot. rm (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean?[edit]

兄台在Talk:Family tree of Confucius in the main line of descent这里的留言,我怎么看不懂?——星光下的人 (talk) 10:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

我所要说的是:人要是写什么关于的空子的嫡孙,就都写 "孔德成,孔子77代嫡孙","孔令贻, 孔子76代嫡孙","孔祥珂,孔子75代嫡孫", 等等. 我就觉得,我们在Family tree of Confucius in the main line of descent也会写, "Kong Decheng (77)", "Kong Lingyi (76)", "Kong Xiangke (75)", 等等. 读者要是问"第43,53,63的是谁?",就可能马上找到他。(Articles, books, monuments almost always say something like "Kong Decheng, the 77th-generation descendant of Confucius", etc. Every time these people are mentioned, their generation number is mentioned too. So I thought that it would be useful to have the generation number given for every [main line of descent] person in the table as well. This way if a reader wants to know e.g. "Who was the 43rd/53rd/63rd-generation descendant of Confucius?", he can easily find him in the table.) -- Vmenkov (talk) 02:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
这恐怕有难度,汉朝封给孔家世袭的爵位始于孔霸,但他是二房长孙,长房长孙孔何齐一支是殷绍嘉公,负责祭祀成汤的,这成问题。更不必说宋元金时代南北衍圣公并立,一度出现三个衍圣公同时存在的情况。——星光下的人 (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Turtle farming GA?[edit]

Hi, would you have an interest in improving "Turtle farming" to WP:Good article?TCO (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Of course I would be glad to see that article improved to the GA state; but I am pretty busy at the moment with my work and other projects, and don't think I will be able to contribute too much to this project. Besides, I am not very knowledgeable about all the formal criteria that an article has to satisfy to qualify as a GA, and don't have time and inclination to learn about them at the moment. So if you want to start the process and to manage it, I will put the discussion page on my watchlist and will try to make some of the requested improvements; but it is you who may end up having to do most of the work! -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

IP: 95.238.96.77[edit]

Hi Vmenkov
I am from the french Wiki. I've seen that you ask yourself of the changes made by an IP:95.238.96.77, on the talk page of Purevdorj . I can tell you this IP made the same on french Wikipedia. All these autochtonous names are absolutely nonsense, but from someone who knows transcriptions systems and IPA..A strange case! There were, as on en:Wiki, different IP adresses during a few days. Dhegiha (talk) 10:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

PS: Here are two other IP: [2], [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhegiha (talkcontribs) 11:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Hafiz[edit]

Good idea to replace memorization with Hafiz (Qur'an) here. There's one little further improvement: The piped link gives the reader no indication that it goes to an article more pertinent than the simple term "memorize" (see WP:EGG). I was thinking about clarifying that in the text, but I don't know how to do that elegantly, because I don't know enough about hafiz. Do you have an idea? — Sebastian 11:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I have re-worded for clarity, although at the cost of having a longer sentence. If you can improve on it, feel free to do it. I am sure don't know any more of the subject than you do. -- Vmenkov (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, that's about what I could have come up with yesterday. Now that I reread it, I think I found a better solution by rearranging the text of the two last sentences. I'm sorry that I'm thereby replacing your carefully worded addition; please don't hesitate to revert me if you'd rather not have such a big change. Thank you for your patience with this trifle, there are of course much bigger issues here waiting for us. — Sebastian 20:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
No worries. -- Vmenkov (talk) 01:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Track gauge categories[edit]

All new imperial gauge categories have their metric equivalents displayed within the category. All metric gauge categories that survived are subcats of the appropriate imperial gauge category. Mjroots (talk) 11:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Guangdong/Macau border crossings[edit]

Sorry for the confusion. I'm trying to make a consistent category and template that does not look like these are country-country bilateral borders. There is a bit of flux of redlinks because it seems like the db cache is not current. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

"Subtle vandalism" on another language page?[edit]

If you have a moment, please take a look at this diff, showing edits to the Nivkh language article by someone who may be the same author as the one you identified on as producing subtle vandalism, or perhaps disinformation, on the Evenki language talk page. However, I'm not well enough acquainted with the language to know alone. If you are able to verify these edits in fact published false information, please let me know here on your talk page, and I'll undo them. If you are aware of other similar edits to language articles, I can undo those also. Cheers! JFHJr () 06:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism of course, this and others. --Vmenkov (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll get on it. JFHJr () 17:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC) You beat me to it! Thanks again. JFHJr () 17:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bernardino de Escalante[edit]

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Wangtang (northwest of Guilin), Guangxi[edit]

Re-nommed. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 17:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Bernardino de Escalante[edit]

Could you please reply to my query on the talkpage? Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 09:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Tibetan naming conventions[edit]

A while back, I posted a new proposal for Tibetan naming conventions, i.e. conventions that can be used to determine the most appropriate titles for articles related to the Tibetan region. This came out of discussions about article titles on Talk:Qamdo and Talk:Lhoka (Shannan) Prefecture. I hope that discussions on the proposal's talk page will lead to consensus in favour of making these conventions official, but so far only a few editors have left comments. If you would be interested in taking a look at the proposed naming conventions and giving your opinion, I would definitely appreciate it. Thanks—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 16:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

China province navboxes[edit]

Thank you so much. I've been begging for input. Your edits are most welcome. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. I certainly like these navboxes.
Here's my opinion on navboxes like this in general. Pragmatically, they are useful, as they would give a reader an idea of what articles to look at in order to learn more about a province. However, such a box is only useful if it is of a more or less manageable size (i.e., only occupies a smallish portion of a screen). Editorially, therefore, it may be a struggle to decide where to put the cut-off line for inclusion.
E.g., we have 4 universities included in the Hubei navbox. Even if we assume that these are the "top 4" universities according to some widely accepted ranking, how can we object who feels that schools no. 5 and 6 in the same ranking also should be included, and so on - and there are probably over a dozen universities just in Wuhan. (And, of course, there is no universally accepted ranking of universities in reality).
Same goes for ethnic groups - I see that you have listed Han. Manchu, Mongol and Hui for Hubei. Fair enough, they all live there and are connected to the region's history. But in Gansu, for example, besides Han, there are 8 ethnic groups whose names appear in the names of various autonomous counties and prefectures (Hui, Mongol, Dongxiang, Bao'an, Salar, Yugur, Kazakh, Tibetan) - should we list all 9 there, or only those for which Gansu is the "main home"?
The cut-off decision may be even more problematic for, say, water features, mountain ranges (take a look at a map of Sichuan or Tibet A.R.!), or visitor attractions. I've added a couple of each to Hubei - but who is to say that, for example, the East Lake of Wuhan, Tortoise Mountain TV Tower, or Danjiangkou Reservoir should not be there as well? Common sense stops me from trying to overload the template with entries like those - but everybody has his own version of common sense; so how will we avoid future edit wars? Would you like to propose some kind of formal/informal guidelines on what should be included? Perhaps it can be worked on in Category talk:Country and territory topics templates, or, better, on the discussion pages of an appropriate subcategory. -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
You make good points. I do suggest waiting. The reason is that, unlike list articles, most drive-by editors don't think of adding to templates. More established editors usually work on them. These navboxes will expand, but I guess slowly. During that free-for-all time, the templates might improve naturally as editors who know the provinces, remove and add items per relative notability. I suggest addressing the problem if and when it becomes a problem.
For now, I am delighted to see you applying your judgment. When I made these navboves, I didn't know what should be added. I anticipated relying on editors like you to properly shape them. What do you think? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Shuǐ diào gē tóu for deletion[edit]

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More Bloomington photos[edit]

If you're interested in more Bloomington photos, you may want to pay attention to the subcategories of Commons:Category:Streets in Bloomington, Indiana. I've been avoiding getting local pictures over the summer, since I've been trying to get more out-of-town photos (including two trips to Evansville), but with the advent of the new school year, I'm not likely to have time for many photos outside of the local area. Besides the historic buildings, I've been getting some others; the one that you'll likely find most interesting is File:School at 2280 Smith Road near Bloomington.jpg. According to Monroe County's GIS website, it was owned by All Saints Church from 1994 to 2002. Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

By the way, have you ever encountered Bloomingpedia? Nyttend (talk) 02:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Glad you're enjoying everything; as I'm both in library science and in history (with a strong interest in microhistory/local history), I find it interesting/useful to give lots of details in the descriptions. I'm interning right now in the Monroe County History Center (the Carnegie Library, Washington and 6th, downtown), and I well know the annoyance of having an interesting photo but not knowing much about its subject, so I'm doing my best to spare future users that frustration. The All Saints connection to this property I found entirely by accident — I learned that there was once a PCA congregation in the area, so I contacted a man whom I know at their denominational archives (mainly for the History Center's benefit); he told me of its location, so I used the GIS and thus found the list of former owners as well as confirmation that it was the PCA congregation's property. One simple request: when you know the location, would you mind adding the coordinates? It will make it simpler for me to find the property and other information that you might not have. Nyttend (talk) 02:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Do you have any other church photos that aren't online? In connexion with the internship, I've put together a list at User:Nyttend/Monroe County churches and added a photo for every church on the list if available on Commons, including your photo of the Hindustan church; however, a lot of rural churches are missing at the moment. Thanks! Nyttend backup (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Unlike with average houses, the coords and descriptions aren't that important in my mind — I can't easily find an average house, but churches are generally easier to find. As well, I've already added data (and I have far more offline) to the list page, so as long as you specify which church is pictured, anything you don't add I should be able to do easily. Nyttend (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I was at Mount Ebal the other day (by accident: I made a wrong turn) and got a picture of significantly poorer quality. After the congregation folded in the 1970s, it was restored by a guy who now rents it out to people for weddings, dinners, etc.; that's probably why they advertise the fact that they have air conditioning. Nyttend (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Another batch is in, in case you still need 'em. Of course, what's a landmark and what's an eyesore is in the eyes of the beholder... -- Vmenkov (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

So you had blue sky today in Bloomington? I'm in Pennsylvania at Homecoming, and we had just-almost-freezing rain today...thanks for the new photos! Nyttend (talk) 05:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Yangshan Quarry[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Good work, getting your own photo featured in DYK! Have you ever had your own photo featured there before? Nyttend (talk) 12:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

St. Fireman's Church?[edit]

Just curious, where did you get St. Fireman's Church for First United? The station across the street? The tall tower out in front?

At some point, I suspect that we'll run into each other by accident: we'll both be photographing the same building, and then a day later we'll find each other's pictures online :-) Nyttend (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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National Archives ExtravaSCANza[edit]

You are invited to the National Archives ExtravaSCANza, taking place every day next week from January 4–7, Wednesday to Saturday, in College Park, Maryland (Washington, DC metro area). Come help me cap off my stint as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Archives with one last success!

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Asking for some comments[edit]

Hi there, I happen to see that you have some knowledge on the tomb of the king of Boni, so would you please help us improve our page? I am a student of Nanjing Normal University, and I and some of my classmates have been working on a translation project on wikipedia. We are not sure of some of the translations, and we wish that you can help us. We are looking forward to your comments~ NNUTransAliceFan03090230 (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying you are translating zh:浡泥国王墓? Great idea! I will be glad to take a look at your draft (e.g., in your user space on Wikipedia), and see if I can make any improvements. -- Vmenkov (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I saw your comments and edits, thank you sooooo much for your help! If you need any help in the future about the Chinese culture, please feel free to ask us (although I think you probably know some of stuff better than we Chinese ourselves do...). Thank you again for your kind help!NNUTransAliceFan03090230 (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Turtle-back tombs[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...[edit]

... for the error-catches and additions at Battle of Cocos :) -- saberwyn 04:37, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Am glad you found it useful. -- Vmenkov (talk) 05:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Millipede[edit]

Regarding User talk:Anna Frodesiak#Turtle farming: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for taking an interest in the Zhaoqing page. I seem to be one of the few people interested in it :-) I'm good at new content and finding it but my poor word usage and run on sentencing tendencies are sometimes obvious as you can see; or I need to reread it a while later to see my errors. So do you have an interest in Zhaoqing or are you more on the technical side? You don't have to answer if you don't want, I'm not sure how this whole thing works yet. Cheers Whoisgalt (talk) 16:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I am not particularly interested in Zhaoqing, but I made a few additions to that article a few years ago, when I was reading about Matteo Ricci, the Yongli Emperor, Michael Boym, and all that. So it has stayed on my watchlist ever since - somebody has to occasionally check for vandalism etc, after all... BTW, if you want to do some serious article rewriting and content adding, look at this one: Hui'an County! -- Vmenkov (talk) 16:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Brisbane workshop and meetup invitation[edit]

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mass creation of stubs with errors[edit]

Hi, you might want to look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.27Jaguar.2FSandbox.2F3.27_edits Azylber (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Cao'an[edit]

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Chinese Indonesians[edit]

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Henry English Fulford[edit]

I was just abou to fix the date of death before you beat me to it. Don;t know if this is any help, but when checking the date, I came across another news story here, which suggests he was actually born in England, although still Australian. Also gives his school as the [[Melbourne Grammar School FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks much; I'll use it. -- Vmenkov (talk) 21:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic[edit]

We'll be meeting at West Branch Library noon to 4 p.m. on June 30th. See you soon! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 02:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikinic - last minute planning[edit]

The Wiknic is nearly upon us! We need to figure out who can bring different food items; please reply at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Evansville/Wiknic/2012#Food. Thanks! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Depends on your schedule; see my note at User talk:BenKovitz. I'll check back once I'm off work. Nyttend backup (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Got your email; on break from work right now. Just wanted to make sure — did you see the note I left at Ben's talk this morning? I probably left it after you sent the email. I'm out on the east side, but going Hillside to Walnut to Winslow would be a good route in my mind (of course it depends on where Ben wants to meet); I'm looking to take 45 to Scotland, south on 231 to 58 and through Odon, then south on 57 through Washington and Oakland City to Evansville. I've gone this route several times, except for the Odon cutoff; a friend here in Bloomington worked at Angel Mounds for a while, and he recommends going through Odon. Of course you have the I-69 construction down there, but I'm looking to contact another friend who drives that way to work daily. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Huangkeng[edit]

Trusting that you have merged all content from the current article on the village to the article on the town, I'll go ahead and re-direct. When you respond, I'll G6 speedy it. GotR Talk 05:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. -- Vmenkov (talk) 05:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Bloomington meetup[edit]

Don't know if you heard, but the library school's Society of American Archivists student chapter is putting on a meetup on Saturday. There's not a ton of space at the venue (University Archives, fourth floor of Wells Library), so if you're interested, you should contact Brimarshall, the organiser. If you want to send Brimarshall an email directly instead of through the email service, let me know and I'll forward you the email that went put on the library school listserv. Nyttend (talk) 04:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Oops, never mind: Brimarshall hasn't enabled Special:EmailUser. Just leave me a note if you're interested in seeing the listserv email. Nyttend (talk) 04:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Email sent to you. Nyttend (talk) 04:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

"Pike pole" v. "Pike"[edit]

Greetings User Vmenkov. Please see Talk: Pike pole so we may sort out the apparent confusion over Pike pole (a tool) and the Pike (a weapon). Thank you. Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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Looking for sources for a map you uploaded[edit]

Hello! I'm currently going through a FAC review for Shunzhi Emperor, an article that uses File:Yongli-itinerary-cropped.svg, a file you uploaded a few years ago. In the image review, someone has asked what sources you used to create this map, and I had to admit I had no idea! I could check the itinerary of the Yongli Emperor in reliable sources like Frederic Wakeman's The Great Enterprise or Lynn Struve's book on The Southern Ming, but things would go faster if you could just let me know what your sources were. (Only if that is convenient, of course!) Thanks in advance for your help, Madalibi (talk) 04:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The map does not claim to show the exact route (i.e., the exact roads and waterways used by the Yongli Emperor and his retinue), or to show all points where he stayed during his last 15 years. It simply includes the main locations and dates mentioned in the standard literature, connected by someone arbitrary lines. I can't quote exact page numbers now, but you probably will find all these places mentioned in any of the following works:
  • Struve, Lynn A. (1986), "The bitter end: Notes on the demise of the Yongli Emperor", Ming Studies 21, pp. 62–76, ISSN 0147-037X 
  • Struve, Lynn A. (translator and editor) (1993), Voices from the Ming-Qing Cataclysm: China in Tigers' Jaws, Yale University Press, ISBN 0300075537 
Struve (1988) and Wakeman (1985) are, of course, exactly the books you mention; so if you can do full-text search on either of them with Google Books, you probably will find all the locations I've mentioned (and maybe more - so you can improve the map a bit!). Hope this helps. -- Vmenkov (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
P。S。Guangnan is one point on the map that may perhaps have come from another source than the books above. You'll find a lot of references to the Emperor's family passing through it if you search on 广南 永历 with a web search engine. E.g. 云南历史遗迹:广南皇姑坟和皇姑庙, an article about the tomb of (皇姑坟) and temple in honor of (皇姑庙) of the emperor's sister who died there. -- Vmenkov (talk) 05:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for pointing this out, for updating the file, and for making a comment at the FAC review! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 05:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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fengtai railway station[edit]

Hi, I've seen your recent changes to Fengtai Railway Station. They look great!

There's one thing I'd like to ask your opinion about:

As you explained in the changes you made, there are 3 "different" stations with this name:

  • the old railway station
  • the new railway station
  • the subway station

All of them have the same name, but they are in exactly the same place, and as far as passengers are concerned, they are the same station.

So my question is: do you think we should have one article, or 3 separate articles?

In my opinion, we should have one article, and explain all this stuff in the future history section of the article.

If you agree, we'll do it like that. Azylber (talk) 06:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't care much one way or the other. It seems that the usual Wikipedia convention is to have separate articles for subway stations from articles about eponymous objects that the stations serve (see e.g. Hongqiao Railway Station (Shanghai Metro) vs Shanghai Hongqiao Railway Station) . However, I agree with you that from the pragmatic point of view, it makes no sense to split this article until/unless it has become much bigger. (Which probably will happen a few years down the line, when the new Fengtai Railway Station is actually built.) -- Vmenkov (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Location of Sanya Railway Station[edit]

Hi. I saw your recent edits on the Sanya Railway Station page. Many thanks! Sorry, I thought I had spotted an erroneous location... but I now believe what I first thought was the junction of the new high speed railway lines (namely Hainan Eastern Ring High-Speed Railway and Hainan Western Ring Railway) is indeed a nascent motorway. So, I have fixed the location on Geonames: http://www.geonames.org/8299311/sanya-railway-station.html . Note that Google Maps is not always right, and its accuracy is not always perfect... -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Denis, I agree that one can't trust Google Maps (or any cartographic source) 100%. In this case, fortunately, we have consistent location confirmation from many sources:
* the typical passenger railway station building on Google Maps satellite view;
* label on the Google Maps map view
* location shown on "how to get to" web pages, such as 三亚新火车站地址; 交通图
* description of the location as being "some 4.7 km" from downtown on zh.wiki
* description of the new Sanya Railway Station - Sanya Phoenix Airport Railway Station segment as being about 10 km long. -- Vmenkov (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, yes, sure, you are fully right :)
I also usually strive to gather a consistent collection of pieces of information on any given POR (point of reference, i.e., city, airport, railway station), so as to curate an open POR data file (http://github.com/opentraveldata/optd/). That data file is a synthesis of several sources, including IATA, Geonames and of course Wikipedia. Thanks for your vigilance! -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Chen_Mengjia[edit]

very nice. Decora (talk) 20:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Location map tragedy[edit]

Unfortunately, in addition to Gansu, Commons lacks location maps for Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Anhui, Jiangxi, Hunan, Guangxi, Guizhou, Shaanxi, and Ningxia, which is 13 out of 34; Shanxi and Henan use non-standard maps for their location map templates. They should have been released long before I started my township campaign, but it seems many of the cartographers at Commons are content with turning a blind eye and continuing to portray Chinese geography in the same, sloppy, monolithic manner much of the media does. In 2011, when I first pressed for change on this matter in June/July, Fujian (x2 versions), Hubei and Chongqing were uploaded by September. In 2012, only Shanghai was released. NordNordWest, the creator of many of the existing maps, will probably not agree to any requests for the time being. The same goes for Yug. Do you know anyone who can start churning these out, or could you possibly ask around Commons? P.S.: Happy the Year of Hope! (as CCTV puts it) GotR Talk 03:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't have any good leads for reaching a "map master craftsman", unfortunately. But I'll try to research the issue when/if I have a chance. 新年快乐! -- Vmenkov (talk) 02:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23[edit]

Doing the "Open Space" thing at one of our earlier NYC Wiki-Conferences.

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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Chinese expressway article title renaming[edit]

Hi. I've made a proposal to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Expressway naming to drop the numbered prefix from expressway article names for Chinese expressways. Thought you may be interested in giving your thoughts. Heights(Want to talk?) 01:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14[edit]

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Great American Wiknic[edit]

Hi! It's that time of year again-- this year's Wiknic will be held in Bloomington. We're still in the initial planning stages. Hope to see you in June! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on Ashkenazi Jews talk page - should Sholem Aleichem be in the collage[edit]

Hi :-) Due to the fact I saw you interested in the topic, I thought you might want to take part in it.

There is a discussion on the Talk:Ashkenazi Jews regarding should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage or not. The discussion is called "Ones and for all, should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage".

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NYC Wiki-Picnic: Saturday June 22[edit]

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Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7[edit]

Brookln Public Library
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Wikimedia NYC Meetup! Saturday October 5[edit]

Jefferson Market Public Library
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Gorky[edit]

Hi, I see that you have added some interesting stuff on one of Gorky's works, and I wonder if you have any special knowledge of the topic or if you can speak Russian. We are currently discussing "The Song of the Stormy Petrel" and its relevance or not to the European Storm Petrel at the articles FAC. Can you advance the discussion over there? Snowman (talk) 16:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Given that this is a bit contentious, we will obviously need RS sources to progress, and Snowmanradio does not accept the Time review as such (not important as it stands since the fact it supported could be referenced to another source. Thanks in advance if you feel you can help Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
That reminds me, it might be helpful if the storm petrel article included sources for the lines about Gorgy. Snowman (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I have added a few refs to Storm Petrel (and also to European Storm Petrel, where they perhaps are not needed), providing some context for using the term by Gorky and others. Margaret Ziolkowski in her book's bibliography actually lists an article by one N.S.Travushkin whose exact topic is, "Burevestnik [stormy petrel] before and after Gorky (a symbol, a metaphor, a signal word)". That article is not online, but we have Google n-Grams now to help us get an idea how the word was used. -- Vmenkov (talk) 04:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for refs. Note that European Storm Petrel is a Featured Article candidate, so referencing has to be consistent. For books I use shortform +cited text, cite template (not citation), no G-book links. I've reformatted your additions, but could you add the page numbers for the two short forms where I don't have them. Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The two "short forms" refs you mention (I assume, Jacobson (1925) and Lynah (1934)) are books which contain the metaphor in their very title, so if you really want a page number you'd have to say something like "title page" :-)
I am not really all that interested in formatting minutiae, but I would like to make two comments. (1) I would suggest that instead of formatting references by hand, as "Ziolkowski (1998) p. 111" etc., you use something like {{harvnb|Ziolkowski|1998|p=111}}. The latter form renders the same way on the screen, but it also allows painless navigation for the user, allowing him to find the full book citation in one click, instead of searching through the bibliography section. (2) The policy against links to Google Books links (and, presumably, links to books on archive.org, etc?) seems rather misguided to me. For newer books, which have ISBNs, it is forgivable, as an interested reader can fairly easily reach the Google Books page by following the ISBN link. But for older books, especially out of copyright ones (which may have their full text online on books.google.com or Archive.org) it is downright ridiculous, since finding the text (especially of the right edition, with the matching page numbers) just by title and author name is sometimes a non-trivial exercise. -- Vmenkov (talk) 17:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Whatever the advantages of the Harvard system, in this article I'm not going to reformat all the earlier refs, and since I tend to use the same books for several FAs. Anyway, the only point I was trying to make was the need for a consistent Style
  • For out of copyright, I'm happy to link to Arkive.org if there is free text available there. I don't use Gbooks because the content varies with time and country (I followed two of your links to pages which didn't have any viewable text), the latter presumably due to different copyright laws and/or publisher agreements. I also dislike the fact that the Gbooks pages always have links to sales pages.
  • Hi, I have elevated your reference to a footnote on the European Storm Petrel article and summarized part of it for a short line which I have added to the main text. I hope that I have not broken anything. Snowman (talk) 11:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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Question about Hui image in File:Beijing-Niujie-Minzu-Tuanjie-Da-Jiating-3666.jpg[edit]

Dear Mr. Menkov,

Do you have a closeup of the Hui person in File:Beijing-Niujie-Minzu-Tuanjie-Da-Jiating-3666.jpg? I would like to use it for the article about Niujie.

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Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! If you had taken any more photos of the fence that are not already in Commons:Category:Niujie, please either list them for me (so I can recategorize them), or recategorize them from Xuanwu District to Niujie. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks a bunch! WhisperToMe (talk) 03:06, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Mastika[edit]

Hello, Vmenkov! I'm just wondering whether Macedonian mastika is flavored with anise. See User talk:Sminthopsis84#Anise, Anise, and Mastika. CorinneSD (talk) 15:59, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Atmospheric diving suits[edit]

Hi Vmenkov,

Your recent edit to Atmospheric diving suit includes the following:

As historians of science speculated later, the lack of interest in pressure suits in the 1940s through 1960s was due to the emphasis on the development of SCUBA gear in the diving engineering community. Loftas, Tony (1973-06-07), "JIM: homo aquatico-metallicum", New Scientist 58 (849): 621–623, ISSN 0262-4079 

However, I cannot find that information in the cited reference. Could you please quote the passage from which this statement was derived, with the heading of the section in which it was found. Thanks, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response on my talk page. I have reworked the edit a bit. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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What are the Chinese characters in this image?[edit]

What are the Chinese characters in File:CKS_Airport_drugs_sign.JPG? Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

: “警告:贩毒、运輸毒品可判处死刑” (in simplified script that would be "警告:贩毒、运输毒品可判处死刑"). Google Translate translates this as "Warning: drug trafficking, transportation of drugs punishable by death", which is indeed correct. -- Vmenkov (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'll add the text to the image notes WhisperToMe (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
What are the characters for arrival and transit? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
入境 ; 轉機 ( 转机 )-- Vmenkov (talk) 00:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again! WhisperToMe (talk) 00:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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