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Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
See also [1]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a delight...[edit] read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciation[edit]

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? CactusWriter | needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please[edit]

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)[edit]

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [2], [3], [4], [5]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesque[edit]

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keto and Kote[edit]

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato parts[edit]

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian updates website![edit]

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Little favour[edit]

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanna Gray[edit]

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [6], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Rosine Stoltz[edit]

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de Clignancourt[edit]

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Di Fiorino et al.[edit]

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".
Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [7], [8], [9]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.
Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:
If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Caldara +[edit]

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [10], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

*taps microphone*[edit]

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK SMirC-smile.svg. I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Anna Schoen-René[edit]

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Sharon Ruchman[edit]

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on Leela Bordia[edit]


I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.


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Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

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Ada Cherry Kearton[edit]

You may remember doing some work on Ada Cherry Kearton. I thought you would like to now that the BBC now link to it, from - Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, I haven't forgotten about David Ward, I've just been a bit busy with other stuff. I hope to get to it in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Message from Lisaby[edit]

Hello Voceditenore. You may remember me from the Alessandra Marianelli bio.

I'd like to create one now for Sylvia Schwartz.

The main problem with my first attempt was that I didn't know how to evaluate the various sources of information I found. You considered many that I proposed as inadequate.

For Sylvia Schwartz, could I send you a list of the sources I've found (not their contents), so that you could tell me which to exclude?

Many thanks for all you do for Opera on Wikipedia,

Lisaby 18:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lisaby. Many apologies for this late reply! I suggest that you list your proposed sources at User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz. I'm about to be travelling for the next two weeks. But I will definitely have a look when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Upon your return[edit]

Tranche 3[edit]

Tranche 4[edit]

Tranche 5[edit]

On another note, can't believe Piano Concerto No. 1 (Chopin) is such a poor article, considering it's one of the most played romantic pieces of all time. I'll see if I can do something about that. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi FoCuS! I haven't forgotten you :). I'll start plowing through the list tomorrow. I'll add my comments beneath each one in the list but won't ping each time unless you want me to. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
  • No worries, Voce, I appreciate it! I'll pop by every other day. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 18:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi FoCuS! I haven't forgotten you. I've just been really busy both on- and off- Wiki. I'll try to get to some of these next week. In the meantime, you might want to drop a note at WikiProject Classical music re the Milhaud articles. Someone there may be willing to give them a polish. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Also, is Karen Holvik truly notable? I was thinking of nominating the article for deletion due to lack of coverage about her. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 15:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
      • Hi FoCuS! It was sent to AfD and kept back in 2005. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Holvik. The article is lousy and the notability is very marginal. I might have a go at cleaning it up and seeing what sort of independent referencing I can find. Might be worth holding off on this one. She may have some significant recordings. Voceditenore (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Íride Martínez[edit]

Hello, Thank you very much for updating the talk page of Draft:Íride Martínez. I would like to ask for advise on article review. Would you know where I could ask to have the article reviewed to see if it can be moved to the mainspace. Your help with this would be greatly appreciated.Besenok (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Besenok. I'm abroad at the moment with not terribly good internet access. But I'll try to review the draft when I get back in September, if I don't manage it before then. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Small World[edit]

Dear VdiT, Tonight, as I was suggesting to my brother that he join Wikipedia, I thought to show him the Butter Rebellion article that my daughter had written. Because I hadn't visited it in years, I checked the history, and who should I run into but your gracious self? I nearly fell off my chair. Thank you for protecting its integrity!

Thank you also for helping my Berklee students again this semester. Those who solicited your help were more than amply rewarded, and we were very grateful.

Best wishes to you for a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi IJ! That's a real blast from the past—it was 2007 when I stumbled onto it—and an amazing coincidence. Happy Holidays to you too and all your family, especially your daughter. Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

New Year's Greetings[edit]

Dear VdiT, Thank you for your kind season's greetings to my students and me. You were a great help to the Berklee students last fall, particularly through the grace that you demonstrated when you wrote to the deleting editors. We'll strive to bring this year's user pages more in line with Wikipedia policies.

Speaking of which, both Longy and Berklee will participate this spring. May I recommend you to them?

My daughter Caroline loved the connection that we three have made.

All best wishes in the New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 21:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page [11]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Das öde Haus[edit]

Voceditenore, given your love for the story I thought you might be interested in creating an article on the 1817 novel by E. T. A. Hoffmann. See it:La casa disabitata and de:Das öde Haus. Not sure if there is any connection between the story of the novel and the story of Princess Amalie of Saxony's opera. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi 4meter4. No, there's no connection, despite the Italian WP article title. The standard English title for Hoffmann's short story is "The Deserted House". It's a spooky Gothic tale set in Berlin—not quite Princess Amalie's cup of tea. But... it's kind of fascinating in its own right. I think I'll give it a go. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Help with my first new page[edit]

Thanks--I'll take your advice on the FireKing stub-of-a-stub. I will expand it as I get time. Someone (you?) added a number of additional links to information which I'll attempt to incorporate. My primary intent for putting it up was to get opinions as to it's worthiness for inclusion. Thanks for the encouragement. This is my first non-minor edit to WP so I'll probably make some faux pas about which I will welcome advice and correction from you and other experienced editors. TBoaN (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi TBoaN! Yes 'twas I who added the refs. I couldn't resist. Have fun with it, take your time, and if you need any help just give e shout. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Richard Horowitz[edit]

I found this obit on baton maker Richard Horowitz fascinating and thought you might too. He was also the person who worked the longest for the Met according to Opera News; serving for many years a principal timpanist. Thought you might enjoy crafting an article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant, 4meter4! Another one for me to squirrel away. It would be fun to do an article on him. Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


Thanks, Voceditenore, for your gracious message. Having been on medical leave since the end of January, I'm sadly not sure who took over my courses. By September, though, I intend to be back at the helm, pointing new classes in your direction. Here's hoping that you enjoy your April break. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for adopting the drafts I mentioned on Gerda's page. If you want another couple of suggestions, how about Draft:Symphony No. 1 (Stanford) and Draft:Cornelia Herrmann? --Hegvald (talk) 10:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Hegvald. I really only adopted Manfred Hemm. I think I'll leave Draft:Pétur Sakari and Draft:Cornelia Herrmann to their own devices for now and just leave some suggestions on the drafts. They're both obviously created to publicise artists whose notability is unclear or marginal. In those cases, I think the creators need to do the work themselves. Draft:Symphony No. 1 (Stanford) is a different kettle of fish. I'll probably move this to article space as a stub after deleting the personal commentary on the music which is wildly inappropriate. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

I hope you stayed clear of earthquakes. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung! Fortunately, we were on the other side of the Appenines and weren't affected, but it was terrible for the people in those areas. The almost total destruction of Amatrice is particularly sad and hard to believe. I hope you have been keeping well. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, I've been a bit busy with an RfC I was forced into launchiing prematurely. The topic is right up your street so you might want to join the circus. I don't do biased canvassing so don't think you have to support just because I launched it. Vote which ever way you think fit and if you think I'm 'insane' as one user suggested, I certainly wouldn't hold it against you. It would just be nice if those opposing could be objective and keep a civil tongue in their heads.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
And talking of RfCs, I thought I have to take some flak, but when I just found out an hour ago that Tim riley had retired amid some bullying, I was absolutely devastated. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I miss him (and the others). I must be responsible though, judging from the header. Don't recall how. Sorry about mistakes in the latest IB I made, I was a bit shaken. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. Yes the whole thing is quite sad. Apparently Tim's departure and that of several others has stemmed from the latest version of the infobox saga. UGH! Hopefully, the departures won't be permanent once everyone has cooled down, stepped back, and gained a sense of perspective (and proportion). This is the second year running that all hell has broken loose over this absurd issue during August when I am blissfully incommunicado in Tuscany. I then return in September to find the wreckage of these unedifying spectacles — 2015 2016. Plus ça change! Voceditenore (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Agree, word by word. And here I thought I had a good idea ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for the work on the featured picture section - had intended to come back, but you had done so by the time I had. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


I seem to recall seeing somewhere that you are fairly clued upon copyright issues. I wonder if I could ask you a personal favour for your advice. Some years ago I uploaded a photo I took of a very old advert. Being very obviously well over 70 years old, (I'm almost that age myself!) I assume it to be free of any 'derivative work' restrictions. See File:Burrows Malvern Water.jpg. Of course, if I'm wrong, the image will sadly have to go. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung. The problem is... you need to prove that the image you photographed is itself out of copyright, either because it was published before 1923 or because the artist has been dead for over 70 years. I tried an internet search and found one like yours at a (now closed) auction (catalogue here) but it gave neither the date nor the artist and judging from the style and fonts, it's very borderline and might be post-1923. Do you by any chance have the original or know someone who does? Voceditenore (talk) 16:23, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. The graphic style certainly predates me and I'm nearly out of copyright! The one I photographed is in the Malvern Museum. The curator is a family friend but I doubt he knows more and I don't know when I will be next in Europe(sorry, not allowed to say that anymore) in the UK to ask him. Looks like I'll have to roll the poster up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
The museum might have documentation on it. Try contacting him or the museum to see. It's a lovely poster. But then I'm nearly out of copyright too so my aesthetic preferences may be a bit off. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:53, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Back at work[edit]

Hi, VdiT,

What a joy to read your Talk page, chuckling and sometimes laughing aloud at all that you've been up to this year, especially a discussion that resonated in these quarters about going out of copyright. I'm back at work after too long a leave, with a Berklee class that's proving to be the best to date. If we might impose upon you to be our Good Angel again, I'd be grateful. Stay well. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi IJ! Great to see you back! Of course I'll be happy help and look forward to seeing your students' work. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:11, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdiT. We'll start showing up soon. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 19:45, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

NPP & AfC[edit]

A dedicated venue for combined discussion about NPP & AfC where a work group is also proposed has been created. See: Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Captain Atom[edit]

Have you thought of lodging a DYK for the article on Captain Atom, would be happy to assist. I was thinking something along the lines of ...Australia cartoonists created Captain Atom a decade before the United States... Dan arndt (talk) 11:36, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dan! I hadn't really thought about it, as I find DYK painfully bureaucratic. But I see you've gone ahead (Template:Did you know nominations/Captain Atom (Atlas Publications)) and that's fine by me. I've got it on watch and will assist if/when there are any queries. Comics are not really my specialty—I generally write about operas and opera singers—but I got drawn into creating several comics-related articles recently when I started filling in red links while expanding Fernando Carcupino. And that one (also slightly out of my area) came about from warding off the attentions of a globally blocked user who created loads of copyvio/hoax articles and keeps coming back as a sock. Ah, the weird, wonderful world of Wikipedia... SMirC-crazy.svg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering how an English opera lover created an article on a 1940s Australian cartoon character - Wikipedia is truly a weird web of coincidences. I had seen your edits on Atlas Publications and Jack Bellew (btw a number of Australian publications have him incorrectly identified as Jack Ballieu) and was going to get around to doing an article on Captain Atom as a result but you beat me to it (and did a far better job that I probably could have). I didn't want to be presumptuous and lodge a DYK without checking however time is of an essence - only seven days from article creation. I'm sure that it will get recognised, which is a reflection on your work in creating it. If you ever have any queries regarding articles from Oz let me know and I'll see what I can find. Dan arndt (talk) 07:20, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

an help for Ursula Karven and Radio Studio 54 Network[edit]

Good morning from Calabria, I'm writing to say hello and know how you are. Beyond this to ask you a little help, just and no more than 10 to 15 minutes of your precious time, these are two items that I am caring, and that a User of Swedish origin said to have some problems. Please could you help me resolve the situation unfortunate? Thank you for what you did, do and will do for me. an affectionate greeting from Calabria--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Luigi. I've fixed the problem with Ursula Karven, but I'm afraid there's not much I can do with Radio Studio 54 Network. It's not a topic I'm interested in and I am working on several other articles in my field. You could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy. Perhaps someone there would be interested. Voceditenore (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. I look forward to working with you and the Composers again. Things have changed a bit! New ways to edit etc. Not much to worry about though. Jubileeclipman/Iadmc (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Please help to correct the page, if you can[edit]

Hi, Voceditenore! If and when you have some time, please help to make grammar and spelling corrections (as you pointed) in Ilias Psinakis as a native English speaker! Thank you in advance! LS 12:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanaSimba (talkcontribs)

Replied at the Administrators' Noticeboard. End of discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 12:51, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I've done a bit of copyediting on that article and replied to the thread at AN. Iadmc (Jubileeclipman) (talk) 13:41, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Review needs your help[edit]

Hi Voceditenore,

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at WP:PERM and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at WP:NPR and the new tutorial.

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Reviewing edits Comment[edit]

Hi Voc, many of my edits come up red with a red "r" next them in my watchlist etc. I assume that's simply because the account I'm using is brand new? Are you able to review them if you have time? The main culprit is 21st-century classical music. Thanks. Iadmc (Jubileeclipman) (talk) 12:39, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Iadmc (Jubileeclipman). I don't see those red "r's" next to your edits. It looks like you have enabled the ORES tool, which is currently in beta version and currently returns many false positives. I suspect it is used/watched by very few editors. I wouldn't worry about it. If you don't want to see it, you can always go to your "Preferences", click on the "Beta features" tab, and disable it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I figured that eventually. I've decided to leave it enabled because—although it does give many false positives—it does help highlight vandalism. I occasionally send feedback to the talk page, too, to help the developers. Cheers Iadmc (Jubileeclipman) (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Afro Poli in 1948 Pagliacci film[edit]


I think you contributed (to) the filmography for the article on Afro Poli.


I think Poli appeared in a 1948 film of Pagliacci as an actor, where another singer was dubbed in. I think that's what the following page says:


In the article for Afro Poli, there is a section for Film-opera and also a Filmography. I don't see the Pagliacci film listed. Shouldn't it be there? Since I am ignorant about this, I didn't want to make any changes myself, but want to bring it to the attention of someone who knows. Thanks!


Debell (talk) 01:38, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Debell. I had only made a very minor addition of a link to Afro Poli. The Discography, Filmography, and Film-opera sections were pasted in by an Italian IP and are still in the original Italian. The Pagliacci film was already there, I just made it a bit more obvious (and accurate). All three of those sections need A LOT of clean up. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Vlatka Oršanić[edit]

Hello, Voceditenore

Thank you very much for your message abour Vlatka Orsanic article. We did our best to write a good article. I think I did add some references, which prove that my text is correct, for example: Salzburger Festspiele, Konzerthaus Wien, Alte Oper Frankfurt. If you, please, look the german article for Vlatka Oršanić, you will find some more references. Please let me know, what I must do and do not erase the article. We put a lot of work in it and I guarantee that every word in the article is true and correct. Can I add references in other languages too?

Thank You!

Sincerely Yours, IgorPabloigor (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Pabloigor. No one will delete this article, she is definitely a notable singer. The problem initially was that it was a biography of living person with no references at all. This is not allowed on English Wikipedia and that's why another editor tagged it for deletion [14]. But now that I've added the references, it's OK. That doesn't mean the article doesn't need a lot more improvement, but the maintenance tags will attract other editors to fix some of the copyediting and formatting problems. However, one area where you really need to do some work is to find independent published sources for the awards. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Julius Harrison[edit]

Hi Voce. I'm putting an article up for GA that I had forgotten writing many years ago. Would you like to share the work on getting it through GA? There shouldn't be a lot to do, but you never know. Tim did a bit of work on it too a couple of years ago, so it should be in fairly good shape.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung. I never put my articles through GA or FA. I'm not sure about the criteria, but I suspect it still needs a fair amount of work to achieve GA. I've got a couple of other projects on, but I'll put the article and the GA review on watch and try to help out with any sourcing issues that might arise. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading the photo. I knew about its existence already but I'm a dunce when it comes to copyright stuff. I'll try and get round to looking at your articles, GA is not so hard - nothing like challenges of FA. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kudpung. It's amazing how few images of him there are, at least online. Besides that one, there's only a painted portrait, but those are always dodgy, especially when the artist is unknown. I'm sure the one I've added will stick. As for articles I've written, I don't submit them to GA or FA as matter of principle, not out of ignorance or modesty. I've had enough experience of both processes over the years as both a participant (helping out some editors, who wanted assistance with sourcing etc.) and as an observer of and occasional participant in the discussions to make this judgement. So, please no SMirC-smile.svg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Image Requests[edit]

User talk:Musiclanka

can you add some images of Dinesh Subasinghe ,im facing difficulty to get copyrights for pictures from wikipedia,few years ago i faced an issue on copy rights ,can you help me please.thanx — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Jonathan Wandag[edit]

Dear VdiT, Thank you for helping so many of my fine students this semester. They and I appreciated the interest that you took in our work.

Though the Jonathan Wandag article was declined, the students and I felt that his body of work warranted his inclusion in Wikipedia. I said, "If you believe in an article, fight for it!" They countered, "How?", at which point I realized that I'd lost track of how the appeals process currently works. The writer of the article will work towards the suggestions that user:SwisterTwister offered, and I'd appreciate it if you had time to remind me of the best way to negotiate notability guidelines on behalf of a celebrated younger artist working in newer media. With best wishes, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page, User talk:Ijmusic#Draft:Jonathan_Wandag. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdT, for your swift and compendious reply. I appreciated your spending so much time helping us understand the issues with this page, efforts that keep Wikipedia from appearing like "some sort of closed club" and demonstrate the commitment of scholars like your gracious self to high editorial standards. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:41, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect Copyright Claim - Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia Page[edit]

Hey there Voceditenore, the 4 books referenced from links on mention the subject Charlie Zeleny and actually public domain information referenced in the original Wikipedia page article that has been up for over 5 years on the subject Charlie Zeleny. It is common knowledge that the subject is in fact a pro drummer, music director, producer and solo artist. The Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia page has been up for over 5 years (last major update 2011 prior to 2016) and looks like it was actually referenced in the Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography, Volume 1 by Miloslav Rechcigl Jr. which was released just recently on November 10th, 2016.

Here are multiple sources stating that Charlie Zeleny is an American drummer, music director, producer and solo artist:

Please remove the incorrect copyright claim when you get a chance. Also, please let me know if I need to change the reference to Amazon's books in any way to avoid this issue in the future. Thank you very much. (talk) 14:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy resolution Voceditenore. (talk) 16:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks from Berklee's FutMus Fall '16 class[edit]

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Dear Voceditenore, on behalf of Ijmusic's A Vision of Music's Future class at Berklee, thank you very much for watching over us in our Wikipedia endeavours. Happy Holidays!

Warm regards from Julimorganmusic, Ggomezestevez, Evorachattarn, N pheko, Tzurieltong, Jestalella, StudentOfMusic, DavidColaDrums, ClaytonWhite92, Rae4bz, Dtauber, BlakeA, TaylorMartinVision, Dtapiacavassa, Jordandalaun, LUISGAMARRA, Pebb15, Btrahant, and Limjlcm.

- Limjlcm (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Vlatka Oršanić[edit]

Hello Voceditenore, about article Vlatka Orsanic. We did find some references for awards she got. Here are the copies:2004 - Marijana Radev Award (Croatia) for the best woman opera role in the season ( Katerina Izmailova in the opera Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District). 2007 - Milka Trnina Award (Croatia) for extraordinary artistic achievements. 2010 - Sergije Rainis Plaquette (Croatia) for extraordinary achievements in the field of vocal art and pedagogy. 2011 – Award of the Croatian Association of Music and Dance Pedagogues for extraordinary achievements in the field of music pedagogy. 2012 – The Samo Smerkolj Award (Slovenia) for the artistic achievements of the Slovene opera singers, especially in the field of chamber opera. 2012 – The Betetto Award (Slovenia) for the artistic achievements and overall contribution to the Slovenian music culture.

These references prove that the awards were true and everybody can see what an awards these are. I coul not get a reference for example for Mario del Monaco Contest, not in so short time. Maybe I must find the connection and get a written document about the 1. prize Vlatka Orsanic got many years ago, or should I use the photography I have, where Mario del Monaco is seen giving the award to Vlatka Orsanic What do you think?

Thank you very much!

Sincerely with best regards, Pabloigor (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Vlatka Oršanić[edit]

10.01.2017 Hello, Voceditenore! I always thought that British seem to prize few things so much as a good performance. So I was surprised with your editing particularly in one point: Vlatka Orsanic worked very hard to get the oportunity to sing at Salzburger Festspiele, at Edinburgh Festival, at Maggio Musicale Foorentino, at Wiener Festwochen, in Musikverein great hall, at Alte Oper in Frankfurt at Semperoper in Dresden, at Konzerthaus in Vienna etc. I am sure, you know these renowned festivals and stages well, as well as renowned conductors she worked with. So I don't understand, why did you simply delete this part of her life and career from her curriculum and (significantly?) only leave her minor performances. Don't you think it would be correct and fair to put the informations, mentioned above, back in text?

With best regards PabloigorPabloigor (talk) 06:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Problems at Charlie Zeleny the SPA IP person is adding back in weasel words and intricate detail[edit]


Could you try and stop by this article if you have a moment. Charlie Zeleny SPA IP person is adding back in weasel words and intricate detail. Pauciloquence (talk) 13:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Sending holiday love right back at you. Glad we could figure out all the differences of opinion on the page. (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Wishing you a beautiful holiday season[edit]

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Thank you for making Wikipedia a better place. Softlavender (talk) 07:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays[edit]

Thank you for your kind holiday wishes which I offer in return. - kosboot (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Many thanks for your greetings, VdT. Pray accept this Chanukah dreidel as a seasonal token of my esteem - best, --Smerus (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Buon Natale to you too. See you in 2017. --Folantin (talk) 10:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year![edit]

I will be away for 3 weeks to Italy tomorrow night! Will continue writing when I'm back. Wish you a great and fun holiday! Thanks for the holiday wishes. - Jay (talk) 15:30, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


Hello Voce! How are you these days? I've been keeping away from AfC for the most part right now, although I do perform the odd review now and again. I'm enthralled by the whirlpool that is reverting vandalism at the moment, as well as the occasional article creation and copy edit. Most of my copy edits are related to reviewing and patrolling, however; once you go down the rabbit hole you can find all sorts of strange things! Anyway, the reason for my sudden post is that Smartse started an unusual conversation on my talk page regarding 2 year-old articles and the fact that SPAs added images to those articles after I created them. Now I had no problem in hearing this editor's claims and trying to sort things out, but they seem to be skirting round the accusation I am some sort of sock, which I find deeply disturbing. If memory serves me right, I recall some of the articles in question are music-related; furthermore, I had some sort of discussion with you about the articles' subjects back in the day. In any case I'd appreciate you gave a quick glance to my talk page and offer any thoughts if you had the time. I'm just at a loss as to how to react. I have countless times been berated by article submitters for my stringent reviews, I just never thought I would find myself having to explain obscure edits made by IPs. Merry Christmas! Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 00:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Here We Come A-wassailing[edit]

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Merry Christmas! Better not open the box! The Bishonen Conglomerate talk 11:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Lights ablaze.JPG

Thank you, Bzuk, and Happy 2017! Voceditenore (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2016[edit]

--Tito Dutta (talk) 20:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Tito, and a very Happy New Year to you. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings![edit]

A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you l! Thanks for the lovely message. I am so busy these days I rarely get to check in anymore. Here is a potential new addition to our Christmas opera list if you care to create an article or just add it without a link. This is another good reference. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

It's great to hear from you, 4meter4! Interesting opera too! I may just turn my hand to an article about it SMirC-smile.svg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Vlatka Orsanic article[edit]

Hello again! It is now 30th of December 2016 and the article about Vlatka Oršanić is still not accepted although we improved it and I sent you a message about that on 17th of December. Will you be so kind and prove our changes and accept the article without restrictions and risk of deleting it. The german version, which is identical with the english text had been accepted after we made some changes and improvements.

I hope you will find some minutes to read this message and create an answer.

With best wishes for the new year! PabloigorPabloigor Pabloigor (talk)(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:30, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Pabloigor. I am travelling at the moment, please read the message at the top of my talk page. I will try to get back to this when I return in January. Also please leave new messages at the bottom of this page. I have moved your misplaced message here where it belongs. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Voceditenore![edit]

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Thank you, Bythebooklibrary and a very Happy New Year to you too! Voceditenore (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments about the articles they created and sorry for not responding. They've announced their retirement today which I guess is an indirect admission that they are a paid editor. One of the article subjects confirmed that they paid a company to write it too. I've just proposed a ban at ANI, which will help get the ball rolling with clean up. SmartSE (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, SmartSE. I was away when the discussion was on ANI, but I too would have a supported the ban, alas. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
What do you think RE notability of Susan Allen (musician)? Apart from the NYT piece, I don't see suitable sources for BIO, but I've no idea about judging NMUSIC for classical artists. The one source that I've checked utterly failed to verify the content as well, but I'm wary of tidying up unless notability is solid. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 22:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi SmartSE. Yes, she is a notable musician (within a rather niche genre) who has premiered and recorded works by several well-known contemporary musicians. She would pass WP:MUSICBIO on the recordings alone. There are sources for her prominence: [15] and the works she has premiered, e.g. [16], [17], [18]. Plus basic biographical information is available from obituaries [19], [20]. The current article is odd. There is no biographical narrative. It's more like a CV/programme "bio". From the timing (created when she was already suffering from brain cancer), I suspect it was a "commission" to honor her. Anyhow, it needs to be truncated and turned into a real bio. Would you like me to tackle it? Voceditenore (talk) 07:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look. I can see that notability isn't a problem now. It'd be great if you could take a hedgetrimmer to it and add the verifiable details from those sources. SmartSE (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


Hi Voce. These last 8 weeks have been a very hectic time for me including having to dash to the UK urgently for a few days on a domestic matter, so I'm not sending out any pretty greetings cards this year but I didn't want to miss just giving you my very best wishes for 2017. Chris,Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Kudpung and all the best to you too! I hope things are a bit less hectic for you now. Voceditenore (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Dean shiels page[edit]

I am dean shiels I want my page Information corrected and used osgood1985 to do this Osgood1985 (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 20[edit]

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Issue 20, November-December 2016
by Nikkimaria (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs), Samwalton9 (talk · contribs)

  • Partner resource expansions
  • New search tool for finding TWL resources
  • #1lib1ref 2017
  • Wikidata Visiting Scholar

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