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Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

Hey,what kinda person are you??I dont need to give you any prove that he is a Shia-Muslim Because His Grandfather was a Shia,Her Mother,His Dad(Asif Ali Zardari) and even the Bhutto clan and the Zardari Tribe are strong Shia-Muslim political family of Sindh.And it is necessary to mention so because his ancestors and parents were and so do he is,and every political leader of Pakistan has his religious column specified with his particular religious believes and so you should mention his.I am a Pakistan and know more about Pakistan and political scenario then you do,so please kindly mention him being a Shia-Muslim,i am not spreading sectarianism in Pakistan but i am trying to prove the point of religious harmony of Pakistan and any Muslim could be a Pakistani leader like these shia Leaders are!Thank,i again kindly request you to mention it because many Pakistanis or non-Pakistanis visit his profile and they should be able to know his reality.Thanks Paki90 (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


Not to belabor the matter but aviation history is part of "my thing". Frank Piasecki invented the concept of the fore-aft rotor design in helicopters. That's what he's noted for. The Chinook helicopter was designed and developed by Boeing-Vertol. Piasecki did not invent it. Obviously I can't be responsible for someone else's misunderstanding. Anyway, that's why I made those changes; to reflect his general "notability". Hope you understand. Cheers! Phyllis1753 (talk) 14:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to thank

you for including Colin Thurston in the roundup of the list of passings from this year (2007). I was going over to that list to try to see if his name needed to be added and was surprised to find that you'd added it, I *think* before I even started on his Wikipedia article. I added a few more details since he is noted for having produced more than just Duran Duran (cf his article for more), but it's nice that you put even that up. So thanks. (Krushsister 23:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

Deaths in 2007

  • word to you for generally holding it down so well at Deaths in 2007. tomasz. 09:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy tagging

Good work with speedy tagging, but one piece of advice: Some of the articles you tagged were only created one or two minutes before, so the creator might still have been in the process of adding material which could make notability obvious. This isn't an issue if the article is Joe Bloggs (born 1993) is a schoolkid, but be careful not to bite the newbies. Some new page patrollers advise starting from the bottom of the new page list instead of the top. Oldelpaso 08:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Great job on new article patrolling. Although it may seem redundant, I put in my edit summary something which describes my reason for speedy delete. Usually something like "no attacks please", "not notable", "WP:NFT", or somesuch. Other editors might find your reasoning in the edit history that way, even though the db-tag you choose will state your reason in the article as well. It's a courtesy to warn the article's author as well with the canned nn-warn or whatever template is suggested by the db-tag by pasting it onto the author's talk page. Keep up the good work. MKoltnow 03:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


  • just a quick note to say i'm big in favour of the rhyming edit summaries [1] :-D tomasz. 13:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Kelsey Smith

Hello. I added Kelsey Smith to the Recent Deaths article. I see that you went in and cleaned up the entry into proper Wiki format and style. Thanks for doing so. I was not 100% sure how the page is normally formatted, but I did at least want to get her name in there. Do you know of the proper way to cite her inexact date of death? That is, should we just leave it under June 2? Or should there be some notation that the date of death is unknown? What do you think? Thanks. (JosephASpadaro 15:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC))

Thanks for your input on this issue at the Recent Deaths talk page. (JosephASpadaro 23:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

Birtles Shorrock Goble

Hi WWGB. You are off to such a great start on the article Birtles Shorrock Goble that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 02:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 8 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Birtles Shorrock Goble, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Bradman prize

Hilarious! Do you have any RS? Deserves its own (DYK-able!) article, I'd say. --Dweller 09:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Deaths in 2007

Hello. I have a question about the Deaths page. You seem to be a regular and an active editor on that page, whereas I am just a casual and occasional reader of it. Would you offer your input on my question for that page ... or are you not the appropriate person? Please reply at my Talk Page: User talk: Joseph A. Spadaro. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 17:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

WWGB is not only a "regular and active editor" but he is the "resident expert" on the Deaths pages. He is in Australia so don't expect an answer from him until your night.. which is his day. I am sure he will be more than happy to answer your questions and provide input. Tom M. 20:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joseph. Notwithstanding the flattering comments from Tom, I am just a "regular editor" at the above page (although maybe a bit too obsessive?). I am happy to assist or advise if possible. Please continue to leave messages at User talk:WWGB. Regards, WWGB 23:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for getting back to me so promptly. I will take Tom M.'s word that you are the resident expert for the Deaths page. Here is my question. If you look under August 13, you will see the following entry: "Yone Minagawa, 114, Japanese woman recognized as the world's oldest person, old age." I was thinking of editing / changing that entry ... but I was not sure how to capture the best wording to do so, without being too long and cumbersome and wordy. If you read her claim to notability (she was "recognized as the world's oldest person") ... it is somewhat ambiguous in its wording. Does that wording mean (a) she was the world's oldest person ever ... or (b) she was the world's oldest person up until the time of her death (i.e., currently ... or at least "currently" up until August 12/13) ...? Clearly, the answer is "b" and not "a". I just think that the wording of the entry needs to be changed to reflect "b" instead of "a". As it stands now, one could (incorrectly, but rightfully) read and interpret the current entry to mean "a". Can you propose proper wording to reflect "b" ... without that wording being overly cumbersome, awkward, wordy, and lengthy, etc? Thanks. Please let me know your thoughts. Please reply at my Talk Page. (Joseph A. Spadaro 23:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
That's a very good point, the current entry is ambiguous. I suggest wording such as "Japanese woman who had been world's oldest living person ..." or "Japanese woman who was world's oldest living person at time of her death". You might like to play around with the words to convey the correct meaning while keeping the entry relatively brief. Cheers, WWGB 00:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I will give this some thought and change it when I come up with good wording. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 03:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC))
May I ask what 3RR is?? Tom M. 00:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks, I learn something new every day. Tom M. 02:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits to McVicar's Bus Service

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No fair? Explain

I just wanted to know what made you call the edit of Georgetta Roush to link to her son Jack Roush in recent deaths as "no fair"?

In the grand scheme of things -- no disrespect to her -- she hardly qualifies as a NASCAR car owner. In a nutshell, cars can only be "owned" by one representative person each for NASCAR documentation -- nobody can "own" two cars. Lots of multicar teams put up relatives to meet this requirement. She was put up as a representative (a front name) but had little to do with day-to-day operations of the team.

Guroadrunner 12:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, if Georgette Roush does not warrant a Wikipedia article in her own name, then she should not really be listed in Deaths in 2007. It is not fair to pipe her name to her son's article, so that her death notice appears "blue" and she avoids possible deletion for being non-notable
Ah - now I understand. It is most likely that anything on her would go on Jack Roush's page, which is why I piped it. I was thinking in terms of the best place for people to find info on her. Her importance in the grand scheme of things pales dramatically to Roush, Robert Yates, or even Bill Gardner of DiGard Motorsports. Guroadrunner 08:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

Information.svg Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. Carter | Talk to me 12:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Paul Fox

If I'm not mistaken, Paul Fox used to have his own article, but it was deleted and redirected to The Ruts (I thought the original article was Paul Fox (producer), but apparentely not). Anyhow, there was consensus at some point that Paul Fox (musician) (or whatever the original article was called) should be a redirect to The Ruts. Cheers, CP 22:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, not that I've been editing it, but Asian countries tend to start their age count at 1. So if the source is from Asia (or the information is taken from an Asian source) then the person in question may be listed as one year older than than they really are. Cheers, CP 22:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem

My pleasure to help you and the project for which we share passion. --Kukini hablame aqui 07:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


Looks like you've annoyed some folks... Keep up the good work, whatever it is! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 15:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Non admin closures

If you have a look over at WP:DPR#NAC - it's intended for clearing of backlogs. About 80% of discussions pointing keep, by the requisite time (5 days in AfD, 7 days in TfD etc) are unanimous and utterly non controversial and that's what they're meant for. The user who performed this close managed to violate the section on two counts - it was controversial, and he was involved. Orderinchaos 10:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

it also says Decisions are subject to review and may be reopened by any administrator. If this happens, take it only as a sign that the decision was not as unambiguous as you thought. which is why I closed the DRV and reverted his edits. Gnangarra 10:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

article on line-of-duty death of NYPD Officer Timoshenko has reappeared

This article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russel Timoshenko seems to have been recreated. Was their an ok for that to have been done? If so shouldn't its history be listed on the article itself?

I ask because either there is a startling coincidence going on or the same partisans of this young man, tragic thought his situation was, who have recreated it seem to be on a rampage against the neighborhood of Crown Heights, Brooklyn where he was killed and it's institutions, (please see: Labor Day Carnival) as well as various comments about "unfairness" left on the editing history (see comments about Sean Bell) , etc. CyntWorkStuff 23:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


I do sometimes wonder whether I 'just do typos' or have some subtle form of dyslexia. Thanks for the correction :) --Alf melmac 07:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy new year


I'm a bit surprised that you're not an admin. Do you think you would find the tools useful? Given your work on the Recent Deaths pages, among other things, I'd be happy to nominate you. Cheers, CP 21:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would be happy to nominate you, too. You clearly have a good handle of policy and don't get into a lot of disputes or make personal attacks, I think you'd be a fine administrator. It's really not a big deal... everyone who's proven themselves responsible should have the tools. --W.marsh 14:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed on the Recent Deaths page you changed "Democratic Party" politician to "Democrat" politician. Not being American, you might not be aware of the connotations of this change. It's different here from the Australian Democrats. Please see this entry: Democrat Party (phrase). To use "Democrat" here as an adjective is POV, oddly enough. I think you'll find it interesting for your reference. Otherwise, thanks for the good work! Bruxism (talk) 07:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello WWGB, I have never had the pleasure of interacting with you before. I noticed that you have nominated Mandi Henson for deletion and that is why I am getting in touch with you. There is an article of a non-notable whose only references are two "fan-sites" and as far as I can tell is a "vanity" article. I am talking about the article on Mary Ann Acevedo. This case is even worse then Mandi Henson. I would nominate it myself, but I would only make a mess of the process and that is why I would like to ask for your help by asking that you do me the honors. Let me know. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your quick response. You have made a very good point. I will let it ride and see what happens. Thanks once again. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


Well, you know, the world consists of two types of people - those that mark stuff with templates, and those who actually fix it :) -- Y not? 03:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Indians and 2008 deaths page

An interesting bit of minutia. "Indian" is certainly valid usage, as you have it. In the USA, I'm thinking we say someone is "Indian" if they're from India, and someone is "an Indian" if they're actually a "Native American"; although I've also heard natives of India called "Indians", I think it's less common, at least in the USA. Sometimes we say "American Indians" vs. "India Indians". Yep, it's redundant, but it's clear. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that you noticed...

...last November that the Beatles Wikiproject is being represented by a picture of the Champs-Elysées. Let's see if we can't find a better picture and convince everyone to make a switch. Robert K S (talk) 02:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw! Thanks for that. And I was bold and changed some of the other templates to match. Except, Template:WPBeatles didn't work for some reason. The picture's different on the template page, but not on the template's application on the Wikiproject page. What's the deal? Robert K S (talk) 04:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Jonathon Shively

am i correct when i state that according to Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Athlete, one must either be a professional athlete or have reached the highest level in his/her own amature league? some articles are about college players who have done neither of the twodjba#52 (talk) 05:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Crazy pet owners

"If your pet wins the Kentucky Derby, please feel free to post his death at Recent deaths". Thank you for the giggle! Be best (talk) 06:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Please stop

I would wish you to please stop removing redlinks from the Deaths in [insert year here]. Most of them are notable, yet no one has created an article on it yet. If they are not notable then the community can discuss. Other than that, I think you are a great contributor. Editorofthewiki 00:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: please stop

I'm sorry, but I won't stop removing old redlinks from the Recent Deaths pages. Notability in Wikipedia is established by having an article which is able to be debated by the community, through speedy deletion, proposed deletion or articles for deletion. A redlink means that the deceased does not have a Wikipedia article, so they are not currently notable by our standards. An editor would be entitled to delete a redlink immediately (and some do) but the current consensus is that redlinks may remain for one month. This gives an opportunity for an article to be written, debated if necessary, and thus establishes the notability of the deceased.

You wrote "most of them are notable, yet no one has created an article on it yet". While you may consider them notable, if nobody has written an article then that claimed notability can never be tested.

By your criteria, I could write an entry that states:

and it must remain in Wikipedia forever because someone may get around to writing an article? Sorry, but I cannot agree.

Thank you for the compliment about my other editing. WWGB (talk) 02:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm just saying that a lot of notable people in the Recent deaths article don't get articles because of Wikipedia's heavy systemic bias. Take my new article Valentim Amões, whom you reverted in your recent removal of the redlinks. Notable Angolan politician and businessman who died in an air accident. Since there is very few if any Wikipedians from Angola, he did not get an article until I created one.

However, in the case of the police officer, we can remove him because he is not notable outside his town and will never probably get an article. But let the communitydecide that, not you or me along. All the same, Happy editing! Editorofthewiki 13:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Bishop Kevin Dunn

Your reasoning re Bishop Dunn is quite bizarre. If your reasoning, which was overruled by consensus (see edit history and comments byUser:Counter-revolutionary), held then there would be NO red-linked names in the obit. There are plenty. Just go back and check 2006, 2007, 2008. Besides I can always create an article later. Chill out.

Belated happy birthday (I noticed from your userpage). Gatesofheaven (talk) 01:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Trio of Doom

Hi WWGB. I have outlined why I think this band is notable on the talk page of the article. I am always happy to discuss further if you should disagree with me. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC).

Well, I think they're an interesting and unusual case. I would also assert that Jaco Pastorius is notable enough to confer notability on this particular band/project, but I am a bass player, so I may be biased =). Like I said, I won't take it personally if you want to take this to AfD to get a wider variety of opinions on it, and I'll accept it with good grace if the opinion there coincides with yours. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC).

The Eagles

Please accept this invitation to join the Eagles WikiProject (the band), a WikiProject dedicated to improving all articles associated with the The Eagles. Simply click here to accept!

Basketball110 02:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


The 大田 article was created under the "Disambiguation of CJKV character names" clause of WP:DAB. If you wish to modify or move it, you need to discuss is first.--Endroit (talk) 09:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, no. This was discussed in the various talk pages, including WP:DAB, and the WP:UE rule does not always apply for dab pages.--Endroit (talk) 09:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
If you look at the WP:UE rule carefully, it encourages redirects from foreign names here. When multiple redirects from Chinese character names have varying English names, circumstances occur where the Chinese name itself must be disambiguated. (That means the title remains in Chinese characters.) All this was previously discussed, and the "CJKV" rule was accepted as part of the WP:DAB rule. You cannot unilaterally change this, unless you initiate some kind of a discussion it the guideline pages.--Endroit (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I know it's really confusing, so I take the time to explain it every time people have questions. I encourage you to remain bold with respect to WP:UE in general.--Endroit (talk) 10:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

New policy proposal that may be of interest

I'm tapping this message out to you because you were involved at the AfDs of Eve Carson or Lauren Burk. Following both of these heated debates, a new proposal has been made for a guideline to aid these contentious debates, which can be found at WP:N/CA. There is a page for comments at Wikipedia talk:Notability (criminal acts)/Opinions should you wish to make a comment. Thanks for your time, and apologies if this was not of interest! Fritzpoll (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC

Removing redlinks

Removing all redlinks on deaths in... pages seems pretty bad to me. Punkmorten (talk) 08:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for extending my idea of keeping a list together of the expired redlinks on Recent deaths pages. I hadn't put much effort at all into expanding previous months' lists, but thank you for doing so. Bobo. 03:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, but its actually User:Chandlerjoeyross who produced those charts. Regards, WWGB (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for looking after that mistake I made regarding the UserBox for Retired CF. I had been trying to create the UserBox and when I looked at the preview everything seemed fine. And then I couldn't seem to find it again. I thought I must have done something wrong and it was gone to the bit bucket, so I had to start over. Again, thanks for cleaining up my mess!!! If I could figure out how to give you an award (Cleanup Broom with Maple Leaf Cluster??) I would!! CubBC (talk) 10:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Old Reds

Should we take off the old redlinks from 2006 and earlier? Star Garnet (talk) 00:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Mark Speight

The following quote from Talk:Mark Speight provides context to Rodhullandemu's post below. WWGB (talk) 02:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Apparently consensus, however incorrect, has taken the place of policy. That's what can happen when you let the lunatics run the asylum. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 16:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
And that last comment pretty much sums up the whole sorry Speight saga, right commandant? Admin = good, editors = bad. WWGB (talk) 00:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

OK. You try to be an Admin. You try to apply Wikipedia policy. You try to persuade a load of people who think that THEIR way is the only way that a corpus of policy is against them. I would have been quite within policy in shutting down ALL editing on that article last night to stop the edit warring and protect the encyclopedia from accusations of speculation against the available evidence. I've never liked fuckwittery, and I suggest that if you condone it, you go somewhere it flourishes. To hell with good faith. If you align with the ill-informed mob, most of whom had never edited here before, against those who volunteer their time not just to create good articles, but to go further and protect the encyclopedia against legal action and criticism, you are no better than they are. To hell with you. Complain if you like, I'm doing my job. and comments like "commandant" WILL get you blocked. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 01:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So, commandant will get you blocked, but calling fellow editors lunatics is acceptable? Interesting ... WWGB (talk) 06:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I've had similar problems with this Admin; he seems to think it's one rule for him and another for the rest of us. He also keeps referring to his 'job' (see above) and what he gets paid for. Maybe if he did have a paid job he'd have less time on his hands to nitpick and slate anyone who doesn't fit in with his view! Smurfmeister (talk) 10:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Does notability have geographical boundries?

Hi, as some of your past edits have inspired me to ask the above question, I thought I might pass you a heads-up to my edit on the Wikipedia talk:Notability page. I'm putting this on Star Garnet's talk page also. Regards, Mannafredo (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Imelda Salvador et al

Just a friendly note on Imelda Salvador, Vanessa Sotto and Jaypee Sotto. When you use the :{{la|Jaypee Sotto}} format to add other articles to a deletion, you don't need to start a separate deletion page for each one. All the articles get bundled into a single deletion.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Rob Knox AfD

  • Bravo for this edit. You summed up perfectly what i wanted to say and couldn't figure out how to word. tomasz. 10:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Robert Bourne

I am re-referencing links to Robert Bourne and pointing them towards Robert Bourne(Rower). I am then replacing Robert Bourne with a bio of Robert Bourne the british property developer, entrepreneur and philanthropist. Onelegout (talk) 12:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for my mistakes - I am new to Wikipedia and am only just starting to get used to how things work. Would you be able to have a look at the new Robert Bourne page and suggest how I can improve it to an acceptable standard? Thank you, H Onelegout (talk) 13:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


did you check p.18 of [3]? Edelsten threatens legal action?! Michellecrisp (talk) 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, a lot of my original edits (which were indeed all referenced) were removed when an admin wiped the article all clean when Wikifactsright started to get involved and disrupt. Suing someone on the basis of edits on an open edit encyclopaedia is rather impossible? of course don't know how his legal team will contact us, maybe leave a message on our talk page?! Michellecrisp (talk) 06:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Griffith Law

Hi, I'm just wondering about a next step for the griffith law school merge discussion. Since your reversion of a premature closure/merge several days ago, there have been no edits and there is still no change in level of consensus. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea. Close it is no consensus I guess. WWGB (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The term "Australian footballer"

I personally think that the term "Australian footballer" should not be used on Wikipedia. The term "Australian footballer" can refer to an Australian player of either Australian rules or rugby league football, though most would probably assume it to mean an Australian rules footballer by default. I just believe that instead of using the term "Australian footballer", we all should be more specific.

Australian rules football is actually a minor code of football where you're from (Sydney), as rugby league is the major code of football in most of NSW (excluding Broken Hill and areas within a certain distance of the Murray River) and all of Queensland and the ACT.

On some of the articles on individual days, one or more Australian soccer players are listed as "Australian footballers". Last time I checked, most Australians refer to association football as "soccer". New World Man (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The term "footballer" (or "football player") is used generically to refer to someone who plays Association football (soccer), rugby league, rugby union, Australian rules football, American football, Canadian football etc. In reference to Deaths in 2008, nationality is also reported. We can't really describe someone as an Australian Australian footballer, so footballer is linked to Australian rules football in order to explain the code. The same process is applied to American players of American football. For example, see the entry for Mel Agee at Deaths in June 2008#15. Regards, WWGB (talk) 13:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I felt that it should be specific to the particular code. That's why I use the term "Australian rules footballer" instead of "Australian footballer".
As for association football/soccer, when I edit lists of births and deaths, if it's an association footballer/soccer player, I refer to players from the USA (where I'm from), Canada, Australia and New Zealand as "soccer players" (as there are more popular codes of football in the aforementioned countries), and players from pretty much everywhere else as "footballers" (though I consider the term "soccer player" for a player from Ireland or South Africa to be valid). It all depends on what country he's from.
I agree it would be way too redundant (and ridiculous) to use the term "American American football player".
Oh, and by the way, since you're from Sydney, which rugby league club do you support? New World Man (talk) 03:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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Lebanese Australian

Thanks for finding the additional refs :-) --Matilda talk 02:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

and again ... I am nto trying to be lazy by not pursuing them myself but I am on a different track right now and there is a limit to the number of threads I can pull together at any one time ( +I should pay some attention to the real world around me too ) but at least by tagging I am leting the reader know the fact is not supported by a ref at present and I did intend to come back and resolve at some stage in the future. I really appreciate however how you have hopped in there and supported the article with cites. Regards --Matilda talk 05:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi - I would be really pleased if you joined us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Demographics of Australia as you seem to be working on the same sorts of topics. There are only a very few of us and the idea in setting it up was to in part sort out inconsistency across the various articles listed on Template:Ethnic groups in Australia - in other words if we have some bright ideas about how to develop the Lebanese Australian article and deal with issues arising with the topic, we should apply those ideas to other articles on Australian ethnic groups. The scope is a little broader but that is much of what we do. Regards --Matilda talk 22:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

John Fogerty / Robert Johnson grave site

Your entry about the Robert Johnson grave visit is bloated, biased (it smacks of John Fogerty self aggrandizement and promotion) and inaccurate.

Fogerty was already performing CCR material again publicly before visiting the grave (July 4, 1987 "Welcome Home Vietnam Vets" HBO concert).

Fogerty's claim that he was inspired to perform his old material by the old grave visit is dubious. It also is self serving. He may have done a good thing to be one of the contributors to restoration of the grave sites, but he turned it into a publicity stunt and shameless self promotion.

Despite the above, the paragraph about the matter is the largest or one of the largest in the Fogerty wiki.

I suggest it be trimmed to reflect the actual event only, as I have tried to do. Fogerty is not the only musician to contribute to the grave site restoration. But he is the only one to utilize it for self promotion. Any claims by Fogerty that pertain to his personal inspiration from the event are suspect because he is misleading in claiming the event inspired him to again play his old CCR material.

In summary, the Robert Johnson etc. grave site affair does not rank the large percentage of space you insist on giving it in the Fogerty wiki.


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Neil Sedaka

I wasn't sure what to do about that edit so thanks for sorting it out. I was also concerned about another recent edit that user made to the article Daniel (song) where he'd made an unsubstattuated claim. I added a {{fact}} tag to that at the time, but have now reverted it. TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hi WWGB, the edit you made today to the above page is inconsistent with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). I have reverted it for this reason. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 15:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, WWGB just to let you know I'm informed that there's now no need to remove closed debates from this page manually. The wub's bot generally does it every day or two, and also adds closed ones to the archive. The wub dropped me a note a few days ago on this—I think it best to leave it to the bot as I hate it when they feel unneeded and sulk. Happy editing - Peripitus (Talk) 01:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi - could you please view the 1985 VFL report. You will see the pink and white helicopter there. He didn't own the helicopter - it was leased. I do remember when it was repossessed - the leasing company sent in some people to do maintenance and they flew it away. It was quite a scandal but of course the news from that era is not really online and I don't know the dates specifically enough to do a search through microfiched newspapers. Accordingly, since we do have an image of the helicopter associated with Edelsten as well of course quite a few sources, Edelsten's debunking is not worth much - no he didn't own it, he leased it, so he isn't lying ? Well the quote from the ref is

Dr Geoffrey Edelsten did not - repeat not - own a pink helicopter. "I certainly had a helicopter to enable me to get to the hospital from home to deliver babies, but it was blue and white, not pink," the Swans' former owner says. "It's amazing how many people thought they actually saw the non-existent pink helicopter."

Well he didn't own it, he leased it, he may have flown in a blue and white one and in order to deliver babies (most obstetricians manage with cars but ... ) however the helicopter was not non-existent as per the clip - minor qualification it was pink and white not pink. --Matilda talk 22:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded an image. I am not happy with the lead but will await your comment before changing it. Perhaps discuss on the article talk page. Regards --Matilda talk 22:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


I deleted the page, then noticed your comments, and reviewed the history to find relevant references. It's been the target of vandalism, though, so I felt it useful to protect it from IPs for a while. Thanks for your input! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Brian Hambly

No worries at all - my own fault as I'd left my edit screen open while I went to try and find another ref for his birth date, as 1938 doesn't tally with being 71 when he died. You don't happen to have a ref (other than Whiticker) do you? Florrieleave a note 09:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)