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Wii technical issues[edit]

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Regarding your edits to Wii Technical Problems:[edit]

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Starting Deletion Process[edit]

Hi wageslave. I'm just letting you know that due to lack of improvements on the Wii technical problems article, I am beginning formal Article for Deletion procedures. This will give you about 5 days to improve the content of the article while the editors debate on its merits. If a consensus is reached to delete the page after that time, the delete will be carried out and made permanent. --Jbanes 17:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360[edit]

Hi there. I noticed you changed all Live to LIVE, because "it is the correct name." Note that Wikipedia has its own set of guidelines, like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), that clearly indicates Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names. and that Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment: avoid: REALTOR®, instead, use: Realtor In other words, although the trademark is "Xbox LIVE", Wikipedia uses "Xbox Live" for consistence. Thanks for understanding. -- ReyBrujo 03:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. The same guideline has a subsection, here, which explains that Lowercased trademarks beginning with a one-letter, separable prefix do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized, but should otherwise follow normal capitalization rules: avoid: EBay is where he bought his IPod. instead, use: eBay is where he bought his iPod. As you can see, the guideline states that something like LIVE should be modified to Live, but something like eBay should not be modified to EBay, and while you could change that to Ebay, it is not necessary. I suggest you discuss in the guideline talk page if you want to remove that exception from there. -- ReyBrujo 20:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I see you are a member of WikiProject Xbox, but please try to remain neutral when editing Xbox 360. Thank you.--Kozuch (talk) 00:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Trust me. If you seen the internal Microsoft documents that I have you would not be so skeptical about the RROD rates. Also I freaking love my Xbox 360. --8bitJake (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Wii Sports[edit]

You recently removed Wii Sports from the bundled games section on the List of best-selling video games article. Wii Sports is bundled with Wii in all regions (except Japan). In the future please double check before removing information from a page. Zomic_13 03:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of comments[edit]

Hello. You may not have been aware of this, but removing other people's comments from talk pages is generally frowned upon here. Bladestorm 22:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Even if the comment is ridiculous? Like, if I went to the page on Carrots and started a discussion about how Carrots are repsonsbile for killing babies? Wageslave 04:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I think you know that's a significantly different case. :)
Although, if the person had a link discussing babies and babies dying, and you could tell that he really was being serious, then you'd really want to think twice before outright deleting it. Generally speaking, outside of your own talkpage(meaning you can delete what I'm saying right now if you want), only the most abusive of comments should be removed. Bladestorm 04:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of PlayStation 3 technical problems[edit]

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Image source problem with Image:Xbox live arcade1.jpg[edit]

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Stephen Harper[edit]

Just curious. Have you decided yet, if/how you're gonna add the Cadman stuff? It deserves some mentioning. GoodDay (talk) 21:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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8bitJake[edit]

I appreciate you letting us know about what he has been doing. As a result, I will be keeping a eye. Best wishes.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Xbox 360 technical problems[edit]

I see you have been working on this article for long period of time. Do you feel that the article is clean, well-expanded, and full of correct information. I'm trying to remove articles that have been asked to be clean up. Please respond on the project talk page, I've added this question there too. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

XBox 360 technical problem talk page[edit]

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Your IP stalker[edit]

Yes, there is a way to check IPs and cross-ref to actual user accounts, but only certain users have the ability to do so. It would have to come by way of a sockpuppet investigation, StaticGull gave you some good advice at my talk page. Sorry for the late reply. xenocidic (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Greetings[edit]

Hello, it is my intent to wish you greetings and salutations. I hope everything is well with you. It is my endeavour to accomplish the feat of becoming a wiki-friend to everyone on this website. Will you oblidge to help me, by becoming my wiki-friend? I hope you are able to help me out with this fetish of mine.

216.229.227.142 (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Archived discussion on 360 page[edit]

Which one did you want restored? Since no one had commented on Talk:Xbox 360/Archive_12#8bitjoystick_and_the_Inside_Source_on_RROD_Truth in nearly a month, I figured we could archive it. But I can restore it if you want. xenocidic (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Done.xenocidic (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you for that message[edit]

I look forward towards working together. These kinds of edit waring grow tiresome.--8bitJake (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edits(on sony/Microsoft articles)[edit]

Having looked at your edits over the past few days(and some from before), I cant help but notice that what you are doing on Wikipedia may be having a negative effect on some articles. At this point, several editors have commented on your edits and yet you continue to attempt to put as much negative content on any PS3 related article and remove all negative content from any Microsoft related article. Every time you are confronted over this you reply with WP:AGF, however I have mentioned before, this has its limits. I would like to discuss this with you here rather than constantly meet you in random discussion pages and bicker over many minor changes. John.n-IRL 18:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


I wholly reject your characterization of my edits as "negative". Its quite clear that some articles are being maintained with POV problems. Some have Neg-POV and others have Positive-POV.
You've been essentially stalking me, and the arguments against my proposed edits have amounted to nothing more than ad hominum attacks, violations of WP:AGF and WP:PA.
I would argue that you're interest is to prevent any balance of opinion. The items I am proposing be included in the articles are not my own opinion, or OR but well verifiable, relevant. apropos and totally within the scope of the articles I am attempting to improve.
Instead of making baseless attacks on my purpose, please address try and work with other editors in good-faith.
Wageslave (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Its ok, im watching this page so you can talk here.
This is not a personal attack, I am here to ask you about your edits. I completely disagree that your edits are done to improve the quality of an article. Such as you edit here, a small edit but one which changes the tone, and perhaps implication, of a quote. Also adding ref tags to a perfectly well sourced stub. While the refs are not in the correct format, the article is 5 lines long, the refs take up nearly as much space as the article.
That is a lazy mistake on my part. When I read the passage, I screwed up.
Two things happened there; Without the in-line citations, I didnt see (frankly, I was tired at the time), the references. I saw a large block of text, and added [citation needed] in places where the claims were made.
The line "We're beginning to feel the effects of the Geometry Wars clones on our sales via Microsoft now and are beginning a process to begin to more robustly protect our copyright and intellectual property" seemed unnatural. On reading it, it seemed "via MS now" was "added-in".
With your notice (and an evenings sleep), I've returned to the page and read all the references at the bottom of the page. I see that that line was accurate.
I've gone back and added the citations in-line for others.
Wageslave (talk) 14:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you have claimed I am stalking you, I will explain my actions. I have seen many editors question your intentions here, and so rather than look back and see edits which I could easily take out of context, I decided to look at ones you make over a short period of time. John.n-IRL 18:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Instead of violating WP:AGF, why dont you address the material content of the edits instead. Thanks. Wageslave (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Since you refuse to discuss this I will leave it, apologies if this annoyed you or you felt this was a personal attack. All I ask is that you become more neutral in your edits. John.n-IRL 18:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
No apology necessary, I'm not offended - I'd just like to try and stay on-topic. I'm quite happy to discuss my edits, but reducing the discussion to an assumption of bad faith is a method of diverting away from the topic at hand. I really dont want to engage in a discussion of character, as I think it really doesnt serve the purpose of improving the content of Wikipedia articles, which is my sole goal. As I said, I'm happy to discuss the merit of the edits I propose. I'd also like to ask you to be more neutral in your edits. Thanks. Wageslave (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edits(on sony/Microsoft articles) - continued[edit]

Greetings. As you no doubt have noticed, many users have called you out on your POV edits to PlayStation, Nintendo, and Apple related articles on Wikipedia. I have almost had enough of this behaviour, and if it continues I will not hesitate to initiate an RFC about you. Over here, I have compiled a short report on your POV edits since you joined. This report will be used as a basis for a future RFC, should you continue your behaviour - though I hope the very existence of this draft convinces you to stop.

So basically, what I'm saying is, please stop with the POV editing, or you will be formally investigated. Thank you.

Regards, Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Please, I invite the RFC. My edits are not OR or opinion, but sourced. Please begin the RFC. Until you do, please cease harassing me with threats.
Wageslave (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
To perhaps provide some clarity as to why various users have been frustrated with your edits, a quick look through your contribs shows that you push for the removal of criticism from Microsoft pages while simultaneously adding criticism to the wikis of their various competitors. Based on that, it appears as though you're acting on personal bias rather than simply adding "facts". Please don't think of this as harassment; it isn't meant as such. I'm just trying to help explain things.
HitotsuOne (talk) 19:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
My edits improve neutrality, perhaps you should consider WP:POV. The purpose of harassing me for my edits is to control the POV of articles in a manner that violate WP:POV
Wageslave (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
How does adding nothing but negativity to an already neutral article constitute "improving neutrality"?
HitotsuOne (talk) 05:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The material is accurate. It is neutral. That's the point. Wageslave (talk) 06:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
You're kind of missing the point. Okay, flipping the coin for a moment, specifically how can the act of your removing accurate information pointing to negative aspects of Microsoft-related articles improve "neutrality"?
HitotsuOne (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Wageslave)[edit]

Hello, Wageslave. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wageslave, where you may want to participate. -- Frvernchanezzz (talk) 06:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Insight[edit]

I only had time to briefly review the information wageslave, and being a newer Wikipedian, I'm going to refrain from commenting on your edits. But for my part, being a self-professed "Xbox 360 Fanboy", I try to stay away from "the competition's" articles, unless it's for vandalism reversion, or the work I did with List of PlayStation 3 games to make the treatment of "console exclusive" games match how List of Xbox 360 games does it.

That being said, the Xbox 360 articles (both Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 technical problems do seem to have an overly negative slant - I'm just not sure if you or I should be the ones to rectify it. Perhaps focus your attentions to other issues, such as improving game articles, etc. which you may find more fulfilling and less adversarial. xenocidic (talk) 16:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

That is wisdom I probably need to internalize. I tend to be a contrarian by nature, and I've found that there are POV problems with these articles. The articles that some editors want to be neg-POV are this way, and same method is used to assure other articles are given pos-POV.
I'm also not a well-experienced editor, but I'm fast loosing faith in Wikipedia.
It seems that the bar is set incredibly high for inclusion of anything critical in some articles, but the same bar is virtually subterranean for other articles. Double-standards and lack of universal standards. That kind of thing is being enforced by a dominant cabal who takes "ownership" of articles.
I'm incredibly frustrated. It seems that the best way to maintain that is to intimidate, threaten, attack and frustrate.
I'm really just learning about the "culture" here on Wikipedia, and I've become saddened by what I presumed would have been a community more interested in neutral-POV, instead, the articles are maintained with distinct POV.
Wageslave (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a tag for you[edit]

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Please accept this gift. I think it will go well with the rest of your user tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HitotsuOne (talkcontribs) 00:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

3RR on Metal Gear Online[edit]

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VG Newsletter[edit]


Bravo[edit]

Good lord, you have killed a LOT of articles by the look of this page. Bravo! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.201.103 (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


Good work, make it appear that you agree that I negative intent without saying so. Say "bravo" to convince people that negative editors would agree that my edits are not worthwile. Is that you Karl Rove? Wageslave (talk) 01:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Wageslave Defence[edit]

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My scratch pad[edit]

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Wageslave Defence

Gallery of Harassment[edit]

I made a tag for you[edit]

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Please accept this gift. I think it will go well with the rest of your user tags. Preceding unsigned comment added by HitotsuOne (talkcontribs) 00:37, 22 April 2008

Users's certifying basis for dispute[edit]

  • Frvernchanezzz, [1]
  • John.n-IRL, [2]
  • Mahjongg [3]

Wageslave Defence[edit]

This looks like it belongs in userspace or Wikipedia space. I moved it to User:Wageslave/Defence. NawlinWiki (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


RE:Hello Again[edit]

Wageslave - Can you give me a BRIEF summary of whats going on. I've have been off wiki for weeks now, and I'm trying to read this stupid report made about you. Also, can you tell me who filed the report, they mention "I" several times, however he/she doesn't sign their name. If they're going to file a report they need to understand signing their name is a MUST. Please get back ASAP. DJS --DJS24 01:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

R.E[edit]

No. It's easier to read the way I put it. I responded to each line, and it would be harder to follow if they weren't like that. On the other hand, you should go to the actual RFC page, and right a response in the "Response" section, which is where you are meant to respond. And it doesn't need to be signed as the one section of diffs and evidence was written by the one user, but you went ahead and edited after each line - the very thing you're now complaining about. I, at least, indented and italicized my writing.

And you need to write a response in this section of the real RFC, not on your personal user page. Thanks. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Readability in my response[edit]

I posted the following to Frvernchanezzz talk page;

Please stop editing in the middle of a paragraph diffs hereand here.

Please go back to the RFC page and remove your edits from between my paragraphs. Please add your comments below my paragraphs, as the manner you're doing it now makes my own commentary absolutely unreadable. Thank-you.

For you have done this:

Both those articles included relevant cited claims. Wikipedia's threshold is VERIFIABILITY not truth.
Citations, yes. Reliable sources, no.
You say "as the replacing of the HDD does not void the warranty" but the citation said otherwise.
As I said, if you used a reliable source, (like, say Sony's official website, or even looked at a PS3 manual), you would have found that it doesn't void the warranty.
You say "regardless of how inferior the PSN is to Xbox LIVE, this is not a technical/hardware issue with the console." Why do you presume "technical problems" must mean hardware? It is a "technical problem" discussed widely, did the citation or language say otherwise?
I didn't presume it only meant hardware. "Technical issues" as a term means that a product (hardware or software) doesn't work as intended; thus the RRoD of Xbox 360's is a technical issue, but the inferiority of the PSN isn't as it works exactly as intended.

When it should be (easier to read);

Both those articles included relevant cited claims. Wikipedia's threshold is VERIFIABILITY not truth.
You say "as the replacing of the HDD does not void the warranty" but the citation said otherwise.
You say "regardless of how inferior the PSN is to Xbox LIVE, this is not a technical/hardware issue with the console." Why do you presume "technical problems" must mean hardware? It is a "technical problem" discussed widely, did the citation or language say otherwise?
Wageslave (talk) 23:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Citations, yes. Reliable sources, no.
As I said, if you used a reliable source, (like, say Sony's official website, or even looked at a PS3 manual), you would have found that it doesn't void the warranty.
I didn't presume it only meant hardware. "Technical issues" as a term means that a product (hardware or software) doesn't work as intended; thus the RRoD of Xbox 360's is a technical issue, but the inferiority of the PSN isn't as it works exactly as intended.
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Then, he edited my comments from his talk page calling them "Removed a messy, harassing comment from my page". and posted the R.E you see above.

My user page is my defence, if it needs to be pasted into the response section of the other page it is no matter. At present, because of the manner frvernchanezzz is editing in between every sentance I've written instead of in blocks on a per-point basis, my own writing is now co-mingled with his (unsigned) writing. It makes it absolutely impossible to read anything I've written.

I've asked him kindly (see above) to cease, and he simply edited away my objection -- calling it 'harassing' and continued as he pleased. How am I supposed to provide a defence if Frvernchanezzz refuses to allow it to be even read? To note, because Frvernchanezzz is editing my responses on his own talk page to render them unintelligible, I'll only be discussing this here. So, I've posted a link on his talk page to this.

16:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

To be honest wageslave, frvernchanezzz is only responding in a manner similar to your own, replying after each point. I will ask frvernchanezzz to mark them out so that it is clear what is written by who. Please also leave some comments at the actual RFC, not on your user pages. Thanks. (Also, removing something from your own talk page is fine, and is seen as a sign that it was read.) John.n-IRL 16:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
My responses are in paragraph (blocks) done per-bullet-point, while his are in between my sentances.
If you see above the difference is pretty clear.
Look at the iphone bullet, the italicized text is breaking in between virtually every sentance, it makes my own writing unreadable.
Wageslave (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The similarity is that your edits are in the middle of the RFC, while they should be at the end. John.n-IRL 16:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps I should edit my response to just the bullet points (taking out the claims) and past the lot into the RFC response. Wageslave (talk) 16:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
You can respond in anyway you like, it should just be in the response section. All the points are numbered so you may just number what you have already written in the same fashion. John.n-IRL 17:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

It is much, much easier to read with Fravnche...whoever's answer after each of your replies to each of the accusations. I can't believe how obvious this should be, otherwise you'd have to backtrack in the text the whole time.
But how about using coloring instead? Huh? I know that takes some work and my look cheesy, but I'd gladly volunteer to do it, and it would get rid of all the signatures disturbing the text. — Emil K. (talk|contribs) 11:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hello Wageslave. I've thought of a resolution to the current RFC. It's not at all perfect, but it could work if all parties involved agree to it. I'll write it up on the RFC page when I'm not busy. Thanks. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 03:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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This whole thing is ridiculous. From what I have seen I havent seen anything wrong. Weve worked together on a couple different articles as well and saw nothing wrong. I think these people are just pissed off because he is making your non-neutral articles neutral.Dvferret (talk) 14:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
These people are helpless... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvferret (talkcontribs) 14:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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