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how did you know i was a high school kid? T_T 17:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


Plants For A Future

Thanks for updating the plants for a future info, I fixed things a little bit. As you can see from my user name I'm involved in the project, drop by if you want to chat. --Pfafrich (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi! I've responded at the Discussion page for Xaphoon. Badagnani 07:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Teaming up

Hi, I have to run right now. I may be on tommorow or I may be back onine in two weeks. Not shure atm. But yes, teaming up would be a good idea as we both cover the same basic material. Talk to you later Brimba 18:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Underutilized crops

Good job on expanding the description on the category page. I hadn't been monitoring it, but I see it survived the CfD vote; despite my vote, I'm happy with this outcome now that there is such a nice description, and good links, on the cat page. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Joint venture

Hi Waitak, if you would, please drop me a line at brimbawiki at yahoo dot com. Then perhaps we can collaborate a little, as I seem to be getting more computer time lately. Thanks, Brimba 20:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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It would have been better to slap a speedy deletion tag on it. See WP:CSD#General. The appropriate tag in this case would be {{db-g7}}, also known as {{db-author}}. — Mar. 15, '06 [14:30] <freakofnurxture|talk>

Thanks much for the advise. For the record, I actually did go through the docs, but wasn't able to figure out what to do. Blanking the article was done after I noted that another author had done this to get rid of an article. Waitak 14:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the WikiProject

Good to have you on board! -- Singkong2005 14:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You have an interesting user page. What do you think of Globish or Basic English as an alternative to such languages as Ido? It seems to me to be far more likely to be useful. (not trying to pick an argument, I've just never talked with an advocate of such languages).
Alternatively, promoting the learning of languages by people around the world would achieve much the same ends, but with a greater respect and appreciation for various non-English speaking cultures. But it would have to be done properly, not the way it's currently done in schools. --Singkong2005 15:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I went through a period of evaluating Basic English as an alternative. I have a Basic English Bible, for example. What I came to is: Basic English put all of the burden on the writer (because it's pretty much only for written communication). It's hard to write Basic English. On the other hand, a fluent reader of English finds it perfectly reasonable, as does somebody who's learned to read it. But what happens next? If one of the gazillion people who understand it, but don't realize what the limits are, chooses to respond, it's not Basic English anymore. I just don't see the point. Esperanto (or Ido), on the other hand, is at least as easy to learn as the set of limitations you have to embrace to write Basic English, and is just as easy to learn to read as to write. - Waitak 13:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I would imagine it's less hard to do a fair job of writing Basic English, than to do a fair job of learning a new (artificial) language. And more people will understand it. Another issue for me personally is that I love learning about culture, and language is an important part of that. I will always make an effort to learn the local language, wherever I go. Most people don't do this, but with good language teaching, starting at school, it might be do-able. One day I may have time to contribute to the Wikibooks (and maybe Wikiversity) modules on language. Personally I think most people could learn much more quickly and effectively with proper teaching methods (teaching people how to learn a language, and using immersion where possible).
Probably the closest thing to a successful artificial language is the Indonesian language - but even that reflects Indonesian culture quite strongly, especially in the informal spoken form.
Anyhow, we'll probably continue to hold different views, but they're interesting things to think about. --Singkong2005 14:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Beer question

It has been suggested by User:BrianSmithson and supported by User:Syrthiss that the Beer and brewery categories should be renamed. This proposal has been supported and expanded by myself. The notion is that the regional categories should follow the format of "Beer and breweries in Africa" /Europe/Asia/North America/South America/Oceania. "Brewers and breweries" could also be renamed "Beer and breweries by region". And all the countries should also be renamed (and merged if needed) as, for example, "Beer and breweries of Germany", "Beer and breweries of Britain", "Beer and breweries of Poland". The word in each case would be beer rather than beers to allow for general articles on beer culture in each region as well as individual beers.

Comments, suggestions, objections, free beer and simple votes to Wiki Beer Project SilkTork 15:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006

All Hong Kong Wikipedians are cordially invited to come and help the preparation of Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006 * Hong Kong Taskforce(In Chinese)! Will you join?

*Official name has not yet confirmed -- Alfred.Yeung 05:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Vegetable oils

  • Issue 1. You need to have some criterion for inclusion. I don't think there is *any* vegetable that is entirely fat-free. Some, like potatoes, have little enough that they are allowed to state zero grams fat, but they still have *some* fat. If you don't have criteria for inclusion, you have "List of vegetables" instead of "List of vegetable oils"
  • Issue 2. I don't think "vegetable oil" is a particularly good classification. Divide up the list into "edible oils" (which would include animal source oils like bacon drippings or ghee), "essential oils", "biofuel oils", and I think the lists are going to be of more value to encyclopedia users.
  • Issue 3. Palm stearin isn't the only stearin out there - and none of them are oils. Oils are triglycerides, and stearin is an ester.
  • Issue 4. Encyclopedia articles ought to have "meatier" content than shopping lists. A list of the men who have walked on the moon is useful information. A table showing the name, the year they went, how many days they spent on the moon, their hometown, and their age gives users a whole lot more to sink their teeth into. We see context, and we see actual men instead of simply names. Similarly, if you were to create a table instead of a list, you could show the average molecular weight of the oil, the viscosity, the countries were it is produced in commercial quantities, the annual production in weight, the annual production in dollars. Yes, it's a lot more work - but when you get done, you have something you can really be proud of. I think the page would also be more stable.

The List of ethnic groups seems to be edited ten times a day. It's not really an edit war, in that the same people are reverting back and forth, but everybody that comes to the page thinks, "Oh, they haven't got such-and-so on the list; I'll add it." Then a little later, someone else comes along, sees a group on the list and thinks, well, they would really rather be called the DEF instead of the ABC, and he edits the page. A little later someone says "Hey, this may be a group, but it's not an *ethnic* group" and he removes something. A little later someone says, "Gee, people are going to look for ABC and not find it because that group is called the DEF; I ought to change that." Well-meaning, but it's constantly changing.

If you use a table that has a lot of information, people may be less likely to make casual, meaningless changes - and that they will help fill in the missing gaps.

Gee. Now, aren't you sorry you asked for my suggestions on structure? :) I've suddenly had a sheaf of stuff dumped in my lap, and I've had to curtail my wikipedia activities, so I can't help you much. And I think I'd like to start an Oral History wiki, one where "Original Research" is not prohibited, but is the whole point of it. You would go to the Mallomar article, and read others' reminisces, and add your own. Standard wiki software isn't really appropriate; you probably don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry editing Bill's memories. You'd want an auto-wiki function that would looks through the database of article titles, so that Bill doesn't need to do anything to have his reference to Snickers lead to the Snickers page. I wish I was a cat; I need nine lives to accomplish everything I'd like to do. ClairSamoht 15:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sorry at all! This is just the sort of feedback I was hoping for, thank you. I'm very willing to structure the list, but am not qualified to decide on what structure is appropriate. I think that you've given me enough to work with. Thanks! Waitak 00:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I was trying to tell you that you were on a fool's mission, that "List of Vegetable Oils" was going to be an article nobody would understand, nobody would find of use, and nobody would honor in terms of maintaining the original vision. But did you listen? Noooooooo! And like some damned fool kid, you were stupid enough to turn it into an excellent article. Now aren't you ashamed of making me look foolish when I told you to abandon all hope of ever making the page worthy of disk space in an era of $1/gig hard drives? Nice work. I mean *really* nice work. I'm probably going to be the only one who ever realizes what kind of heroic effort you've put into that article, and this is probably going to be the only compliment you ever receive on it, so I'd award you a Woody Allen star, if one existed. ("I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying." - Woody Allen) ClairSamoht 14:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


Thank you very much for helping out with the H5N1 series of articles. A recent published review by nonwikipedians said it was "too text oriented", so informative images are just what is needed. What would really be great would be a graphic illustrating the evolution of geneotype z influenza virus A(H5N1) or the molecular evolution of the H5 protein (links to images and data about the evolution right before our eyes of both can be easily found in the further reading section of H5N1 genetic structure. WAS 4.250 16:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Novial language

Quote: Novial sounds interesting. Roughly how many speakers would you say there are? End quote.


we don't have figures but going on internet data probably one or two dozen have a fair knowledge. It's very easy for speakers of West European languages - easier than Esperanto certainly, on grammatical and lexical grounds. Possibly easier than Ido, at least in some respects, and the lexicon is more "natural".

I'm in the middle of improving the Novial article and making a new article, Esperanto and Novial compared. Later I hope to write similar pages comparing it with Ido and IALA Interlingua.

There is also a Wikibook for learners of Novial: Novial Wikibook.

I am trying to propogate interest in Novial. It is not so well known but after studying IALA Interlingua and Esperanto and Novial in that order I realised that Novial provides an excellent balance between "naturalism" and easiness (from a West European perspective of course).

If you like Novial please vote to support a Wikipedia in Novial here:

A test Wikipedia in Novial is already up and running and has over 100 articles (Biology is the best category at the moment).

Thanks for your interest. Nov ialiste 08:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Establishment of The Wikimedia Hong Kong

I'm red-green color blind

You say "The red curve represents an exponential regression". The top one looks red to me. What colors do you see for the top line and the other line? WAS 4.250 16:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

list of veg oils

I agree it should go in. The clean up will sort some of the lists and if you think a coul ple of dozen or so of the listed oils are good, feel free to tag them.--BozMo talk 10:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Sanoussi Diakité

Just spotted the article you created, Sanoussi Diakité - good stuff. As this is the main article for the sheller, I've also added Category:Appropriate technology - not the ideal solution perhaps but it'll do for now. --Singkong2005 03:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your kind words. =) To be honest, I find the entire issue somewhat overblown... who *cares* really if something is a "language" or a "dialect", it's just semantics really. But if people want to sweat over it I suppose there's nothing we can do about it.. -- ran (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Maya Nut

Hi Waitak, though you might be interested in Maya Nut which was used by the Mayan civilisation as a staple food. Since then it has been neglected but its now being rediscovered.

p.s. I tried to reply to your email re the PFAF wiki but it bounced for some reason, I'll try again. --Salix alba (talk) 19:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice find! Thanks! I'll check into the email issues. Waitak 00:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

shifting cultivation

i didnt create this article, but am trying to improve it in small ways. i wikified intro. will get back to other parts later in the summer. by the way with your knowledge, i hope you will assist with ethanol fuel, an important article that needs some help. best regards Covalent 12:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the words of encouragement w on the article talk page. i just hope we can improve the articles working at it :) best regards Covalent 05:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Drumstick (fruit) revert

No probs. Great work with the Moringa oleifera article, by the way. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Clove leaf oil

It was redirecting to Clove (if I recall correctly), and that seemed a reasonable redirect, so I kept it. Cheers. --Fang Aili talk 14:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I missed the fact that you were the only author. My apologies. Article deleted. --Fang Aili talk 14:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
This was basically my bad. I suppose next time you could put in the edit summary "Author's request - (reason why you want it deleted)", and that may raise another flag. You used the {{db-author}}, which was perfect; I just missed it. (Too many speedy deletes! :) --Fang Aili talk 14:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Vegetable oils/languages

How nice to run into you again. Your user page is quite interesting. What are you playing on the xaphoon these days? A vegetable oil category exclusive of cooking oils seems welcome though "vegetable" is misleading--some use it to describe soybean (and related "cheap") oils like sunflower, safflower, corn, etc.); actually they're usually nut and seed oils, or "plant" oils. The only problem might be the fact that many users don't like categories that overlap rather than be hierarchical or mutually exclusive. Vegetable oils and cooking oils might be something like a very strongly overlapping Venn diagram. I'm not sure I've made very many articles on small languages though I've done some on small ethnic groups (many of which don't have their own language articles yet). Glad you found something interesting there. Are you in Asia now? I study Asian music (particularly Chinese) so would be interested to know more about the scene there. There's an instrument called the houguan which is commonly used in Cantonese music that sounds quite like the xaphoon. Badagnani 08:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't known about P3 but it seems like a great project. The income disparities between the top languages are a shock. It seems difficult to see all the languages as one seems to have to see them 10 at a time. Badagnani 08:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You can see a houguan here: -- and also here: Guan (instrument). "Guan" means "pipe" or "tube" in Chinese and "houguan" is the Cantonese version, made of bamboo. The northern "guanzi" is made of hardwood and can overblow a couple of octaves whereas the Cantonese one is more similar to the Tang Dynasty instrument which could only play an octave, and has a mellower sound. Badagnani 08:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't linseed oil categorized as a vegetable oil but just under "oils"? It is listed in the List of vegetable oils article so I presume it is one, though not generally considered to be edible. Badagnani 08:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha! I don't think I have enough expertise. I think you are clearly the sensei of oils here (at least as far as English Wikipedia goes). Amazing how this website creates its own worldwide culture. Badagnani 08:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Indonesians in the Philippines

It appears that you deleted my comments and vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesians in the Philippines. May I ask why? Waitak 16:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I didn't meant to delete your comments on purpose. It might have been accidentally deleted due to numerous 'edit conflicts' in Wikipedia.. :) --User:Matthewprc


I think you must be misreading the edit history. My only contribution was this. Soo 13:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. Hmm. No, I really have no idea why I did that, although presumably I thought it was true at the time. Might be worth checking it out before removing it. Soo 15:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The source for the claim on fusarium is probably this [1]. If there is no confirmation, it may be another of EB's mistakes. Rmhermen 20:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


I could create it for you if you wish, or if you prefer you could have a go at doing it yourself, and I could look it over and fix it up afterwards, as necessary. (See one, do one, teach one, as per the ER mantra...) Alai 17:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Identification of the varieties of Chinese

Hi Waitak, sorry about this but I must have missed your message from about a month ago. Thanks for your kind words =). I created that article because I wanted to have a centralized location for the entire discussion that Wikipedia articles can link to, and I was hoping that all of the nuances and implications of the debate can be contained in one place. I probably made it a bit convoluted, though and so feel free to improve it if you prefer.

Thanks! =) -- ran (talk) 21:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ben oil user link -> external link

I changed the user link to an external format link because article links should go to other encyclopedia articles (imho). It might be suprising to a reader to see a normal-styled link to a person, click on it expecting an encyclopedia article on that person, but get a user page instead. --Gnewf 15:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Other readers of the Ben oil article will know that he was the translator by looking at the talk page (linking editors from the article namespace is generally not a good idea). But if you want to recognize his work, you could give him a barnstar, for example, The Rosetta Barnstar, and he could mention it on his userpage. See Wikipedia:Barnstars. --Zoz (t) 12:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Black currant or blackcurrant

The ageed wikipedia spelling seems to be blackcurrant, see Ribes nigrum. Maybe black currant is a US spelling? Regards, Mr Stephen 13:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

That was fast! I was going to say that I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but the single word seems to be the standard here. Regards, Mr Stephen 13:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

H5N1 cases template

No problem. Practice makes perfect, right? Awolf002 15:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

That looks very good. Thanks for your work! Awolf002 12:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Agriculture and alleviating poverty

Well, I'm interested in the subject, but not sure how much I could really add. SB Johnny 09:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

aw, thanks

...for your comment vis a vis False flax oil. Curious about a source, though; I've got a book (Food Lover's Companion) that says that canola is another name for rapeseed oil, not a variety of same. You seem an expert... comment? Graham 00:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Canola oil is rapeseed oil, but rapeseed oil isn't necessary canola oil. They developed a cultivar of rape, I think it was in the 1970s, that has low ecruic acid levels, and once they got the US to approve the new name (canola is CANadian OiL), it only took about 2-3 years before farmers were growing large quantities. I can't see women buying rape oil. Even if they know better, it sounds like an antisocial alternative to KY jelly.
If I recall correctly, regular rape oil is a drying oil, mostly used industrially, perhaps in some specialty paints. It's toxic, but I don't know *how* toxic. (A lot of the foods we eat are toxic. Salt is a necessity, but a cup of salt would be lethal to half of all adults who ingest it.) ClairSamoht 13:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks from me, too

Not much time on my hands these days, but when I see something that is wrong, I have a hard time leaving it alone. Not a desirable character trait, I'll have you know. They say dentists and computer programmers have a high suicide rate, but I suspect copyeditors, proofreaders, and fact checkers probably have a high rate of getting murdered. God knows the SOBs deserve it.... (I see that you've been busy. And you can take the fact that you don't see my edits very often as a HIGH compliment.) ClairSamoht 13:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


It appears you have made Uhu redirect to Parrot Fish. Which is a bit strange if you're looking up Uhu, the well-known British glue. Apparently Uhu is also the name of a well-known German Owl! (don't ask me!) The redirect to Parrot Fish also breaks the rules on redirection - by the redirection rules Uhu should at least be mentioned in the first paragraph or two of Parrotfish (and isn't currently mentioned at all). Quirkie 18:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

vegetable oils

Sure thing... let me just get the babt to sleep. Gimme an hour or so. Graham 23:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S Is this how discussions are normally carried out — page to page? I'm a bit of a newbie at this. g.

Wow! Nice work (and a lot of it) on the Veg oil list! Sjschen 15:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

got as far as meadowfoam

And now I really want to clean up the mustard section. (So many people confuse the "mustard family" with the "mustard plant" with the "mustard seed"!) However, the mustard (plant) article has been nominated for merging... can I just go ahead and merge/redirect it, or do I have to wait for the discussion to come to a conclusion? Thanks for any advice. Graham 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

still on it...

Gotta take a quick break, but I'm still looking through. You'll notice that I'm adding "fatty acids" to the omega-3 and omega-6 references; I don't think they should stand alone. Hope that works for you. Graham 02:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: H5N1 vandalism

I gave out T2 because the vandalism looked pretty serious to me at the time, but if you feel T1 would be better I do not mind you replacing it with T1. Though please subst the template, many thanks. --WinHunter (talk) 13:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

OK your turn

I responded on my talk page and finished editing Transmission and infection of H5N1. Your turn. WAS 4.250 14:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Your turn again. WAS 4.250 14:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to improve Bird flu in India. WAS 4.250 14:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Hi! Your vote/opinion on brewery notability is requested here: [2] SilkTork 12:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

List of vegetable oils

You're welcome! Yes, I'd originally spotted it through featured list candidates - I've just added my support vote. Good work. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 15:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! They said it couldn't be done (or at least "I" did, and you done it anyway. You've earned this attaboy! ClairSamoht 06:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Even though I opposed, congrats on the FLC. Regarding the crossfire you felt you were caught in, I think it was a misunderstanding. I've left a note about this on the FLC page. heqs 09:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Macerated oils

When I realized that you were using a variant spelling, I went in to change the link from Mascerated oils to Maceration, and I saw in the comments that you wanted a list of macerated oils. I've added one, although it needs references; I need to read up on how to use the cite tag.
Also, I didn't specify what the various macerated oils are used for, because I'm not sure what is the proper thing to do. These herbal preparations can be sold in the US only as foods, not as drugs, but it's done with a wink; in practice, it's the therapeutic use that people buy them for.
For instance, should we say that St. Johns Wort macerated oil is used for depression. If we do, should we also mention that a number of studies that say St. Johns Wort doesn't work at all for depression, and may be hazardous to your health?
Should we simply say that macerated oil is simply a delivery system for the herb, and let people follow the link to the herb, passing the buck, and letting those pages discuss whether the herb does what it's supposedly good for?
This is really a sticky wicket, as an edit war could quickly develop between True Believers and skeptics of herbal medicine. I'm disinclined to list the diagnoses for which the herb is used, since this is an oil page, not an herb page, but this is your baby, Waitak, and I defer "entirely" to your judgment. ClairSamoht 07:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Vegetable oil section template

Looks nice. You've done a lot of work on that one.

I do some maintenance on cities pages, where there is an info box template at the top of the page and a template at the bottom of the page listing other cities in the state. As a user, I find the infobox far more useful; I rarely if ever click on the one at the bottom of the page.

The pages on oil need some sort of colorful graphic, to break up the vast gray expanses, but I'm thinking that an infobox might be more useful. Instead of linking to the Linden page on the various oil pages, you could link to a "Linden oil" page. That page would describe the uses of that oil, the commercial significance of the oil, and could use a nice infobox describing the oil's characteristics, such as viscosity, molecular weight, smoke point, etc.

But that kind of infobox doesn't seem very useful on the oil pages we currently have, and it requires the launching of a massive effort to generate all the individual oil pages. The information those pages require is NOT going to be easy to find. And if you have those pages, then you need *both* kinds of templates, and I think the infobox should be a vertical and the list of articles a horizontal template at the bottom. That doesn't solve the aesthetic problem of needing a graphic at the top of the existing pages.

So maybe I should have stopped talking at the end of the first paragraph here, and just said "looks nice"? :) ClairSamoht 14:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that we're on the same wavelength. You're not planning to waste your time in the next few months on frivolities like eating, bathing, sleeping, etc., are you?

I hadn't thought about pictures for the sources. Nice touch, but that's going to be another pain. I found myself on istockphoto last night, giving them more money. When I write a blog entry, I almost always include a picture, because it makes *such* a difference in how the blog looks. It's not the buck per pic I pay istockphoto that annoys me, it's the fact that their site is so slow, and it takes me forever to find a picture that really goes with the blog entry. I suppose I should use the old bullseye trick - instead of shooting first and drawing the circles around the hole, I should find a nice pic and write a blog entry to match.

But in any case, it may be difficult to find suitable photography for a lot of these oils. I can shoot a picture of soybeans, no problem at all, but what about linden blossoms? I could have a linden tree across the street from me, and not know it. Having a couple of stock pictures that can be used when nothing is available, pics like the one in your sample, will be necessary, I'm afraid. But as time goes on, people will end up finding better pics and substitue them for the generic oil pics, I suppose. ClairSamoht 15:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Vegetable oil versus REAL Vegetable oil

I've created a Vegetable oil disambiguation page. I still need to go through the Vegetable oil (fat) page (the old VO page) and strip out everything that isn't related to triglyceride-type vegetable fats, and move it to the essential oil or macerated oil pages. I also need to check for double-redirects from moving that page. I was hoping to get it done yet tonight, but it appears I better not if I don't want to learn more about divorce than I want to learn. Oh, well. I will probably get to it this afternoon. ClairSamoht 04:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Since you asked, I dislike the new name of the template. Axle grease is manufactured in a plant, and lard is rendered in a plant. The wikipedia Common Names policy says that the template should be named for vegetable oils. And I think you should change "pressed oils" to "vegetable fats" because most of them are produced these days by hexane extraction rather than being cold-pressed. You know, it would have been smarter for me to change that page from "Vegetable oil" to "Vegetable fats", and it would fit the Common Names policy better. ClairSamoht 17:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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Natural disaster

Hi, I had a look at Natural disaster again, I saw it got a major revamp again today. You asked for my opinion, and if it was up to A again. My conclusion would be .. not yet, but getting there (though I realise that it is in a similar state as when it acquired A-status; I have also asked Martin Walker to have a look at it).

When going through the article it occurs to me, that it could as well be called natural hazard, which is not the same. I am working in a chemical lab, and there the chance on a 'disaster' is defined as the product of 'the hazard of a project' and 'the chance of it happening' (the chance I cut myself on a piece of glass is big, but the hazard can be considered low (as long as cuts are not in arteries), the chance of me blowing up a reaction with sodium azide is small (I hardly use it, try to avoid it, and using my knowledge I apply extra safety measures, take more care and avoid dangerous situations), but the hazard is huge (explosions cause a lot of damage, even on laboratory scale)) .. to me that is not yet clear from the article. The intro sentence would not be correct, technically, both the hazard as the chance can be influenced by people, so there may be a third factor there, and a disaster taking place in a place where no people live is still a disaster for wildlife (but it may be that the definition is different). As an example: another ice-age would be a big hazard (I would give it a 8 or 9 on a scale of 1-10), but the chance of happening is very small .. Hence, not really something to worry about. Also things to consider in the article may be predictability of hazards etc. I think it would be good if the article would elaborate on this a bit more (though I already see it is going to be controversial). I'll keep an eye open, the page is on my watchlist. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I was asked to comment on this, and this is appropriate as I was the one who tagged it as A in the first place. My standards have probably gone up a little since then, but the article still appeals to me a great deal. I think the topic is very unusual, and as such it's very difficult to judge. This is because it is a broad topic, but not in the sense that Humanities is a broad topic - rather, it is a collection of very specific, fairly narrow topics. I felt at the time I tagged it as A that this article covered listy topics so much better than most, so I wanted it to stand out a little as a model to follow.
I like the way the article looks now, a definite improvement. But Dirk has pointed out some definite omissions that I hadn't thought of, such as the use of Hazard analysis to assess chances. That article covers avionics, but in fact we use the same method on a chemical plant (we call it HAZAN); roughly speaking hazard = (seriousness) x (probability). Thus flooding of London was considered unlikely, yet they built the Thames barrage because the potential damage would be immense if it happened (think Katrina x 20). Perception of disaster is important, as it shapes public policy. When a train crashes and 100 people are killed there are government inquiries and new safety laws, but when 100 people die in a week on the roads in 100 separate incidents, this is just put down to a hazard of the roads; the result is that in the UK at least, the spend to save a life on the trains is many times the spend to save a life on the roads. The related topics of disaster prevention and emergency management should probably be included as part of that section.
Dirk also points out the wider social aspects of perception of disaster - also a great point - things like a disaster being punishment from the Gods, fate, etc. (even in our own times, see David Edward Jenkins, see 2nd paragraph). You could add a section on the use as an artistic device in genres such as the Disaster film, but this would have to be worded carefully in summary style to prevent everyone adding their favourite movie to the article! Finally, the article should have more references - our expectations in this area are going up. With all that, it would get an A from me again! Sorry if it seems like I'm adding a lot, but Dirk got me thinking, and it will make a great article! Thanks for all your work, Walkerma 06:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: vegetable oils, new to Wikipedia, and Botryococcus braunii article

Bobkeyes 21:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the encouragement. Like you have noted, I am new to Wikipedia as a contributor. I am still learning the ropes. I am thankful for your hints. I will try to find a way to rephrase the Berzin entry better. I am happy you think that the Botryococcus braunii article is of decent quality. Learning to cite, and making the effort to cite, is important for a Wikipedia editor. I believe it is the only way that an article, and Wikipedia, can be taken seriously by scientific community. It is also useful for keeping one's own mind straight and honest on the topic.

Missing CfDs

I had encountered an edit conflict, and I thought I had combined everything back together. Sorry, thanks for making the correction and for letting me know that I screwed up. Alansohn 15:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


I'll keep an eye on them, but in the case of consistent anon vandalism/reverts it's best to ask for semi-protection. Cheers, -- Vision Thing -- 20:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


  • A little humor never hurt no one. (And yeah, that double negative was intentional ^_^). *waves goodbye as I head to Spain* Danny Lilithborne 03:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed on your user page that you suggest Ido is probably a better language than Esperanto but doesn't have much chance for success. You might check out the Interlingua article. So far, Interlingua may be second to Esperanto in terms of success, but the gap seems to be closing over time. Personally, I think Interlingua is a much better and more soundly developed language. Matt 03:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


List of edible seeds

I've only been through the Featured List process once before, for List of U.S. states by elevation, and didn't find it onerous. I'm very impressed at the work that the WP community has done on that list: I started it the article with a pretty bad list, and I'm delighted at the work.

Are there specific work items you think we need to do to make it featured? Are you a Support ?

Isn't it too late to withdraw now?

hike395 06:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Copying over your comments back here: hike395
Well, there are a few things:
  • The links are a bit all over the place. Some point to more general articles (because the specific articles weren't written) others to the specific articles, and it's hard to tell from the text without mousing over the links.
  • The sections don't make sense to me. Some identify how you eat the seeds, others what kind of seeds they are. They seem fairly arbitrary and counter-intuitive.
  • Aside from the leadin - which is quite informative! - there's no extra information for the entries, or even for the sections. It could be a lot more informative.
  • Hardly any references.
  • No images
I don't really know if it's possible to withdraw it at this point! Anyway, I hope the comments are helpful. Waitak 07:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The things you've mentioned are useful and good, but they mostly aren't in the criteria for featured lists. WP:LIST doesn't say that we need to have uniform quality of articles linked to, nor extra information for each section, nor even images (although I can certainly easily add images to the article, not a problem).
The references may indeed be a problem: I'm going to go to the library tomorrow anyway, I can see if I can find books on seeds and food. Any extra web references would be appreciated.
I'm not sure how else to thematically group the seeds: I'm open to suggestions.
I hope you are willing to help address any problems in the feedback? Many hands make light work, and I do like the work you did in List of vegetable oils. If you are unwilling to work on feedback at this time, I can try to withdraw the nomination. I was all excited by the goodness of the list: sorry I didn't discuss it at Talk:List of edible seeds. hike395 07:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
New stuff at User talk:Hike395 hike395 08:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you're removing references to WP itself: on purpose? accidently? Let me know. hike395 15:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I guess the snapped cables have really affected you, sorry to hear that. Probably the best thing is to let the nominated lapse (or withdraw it). If I don't hear back from you, I'll withdraw it. Good luck! hike395 05:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Australian plant species

In case you hadn't noticed, List of Australian plant species has been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 19:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

List of basil cultivars

Thanks for doing a good job on the list. I was surprised, as I never bother with lists on Wikipedia after seeing a couple of crummy ones a few years ago--and wouldn't have bothered with FLC, except that it was a plant. I looked over your changes, the text is succinct, covers all that is necessary and no more, and the list is well done and the images are appropriate. Good work. KP Botany 20:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

PS You may post future lists on [[3]] for input. Your botany is fine, in that you aren't misleading anyone with any of your information, so don't worry about it too much for future lists you create, just a bit of terminology need tweaking. KP Botany 20:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting FL status for your (and others') hard work on the List of basil cultivars. KP Botany 02:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I'd invite you to the party, but the commute might be prohibitive... :-) Waitak 06:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, rather an expensive commute even at the best of times. Besides, I'm up here enjoying my 20F nights, why would I want to escape to an austral summer? "Basal," hmmm? KP Botany 14:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No summer available here in Hong Kong! :-) It's a chilly 12C at night here these days. Waitak 15:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were in Australia for some reason. Chilly 12C, thanks. I'll think of that tomorrow while breaking the ice off my windshield before dawn. I don't think it's even 12C in my house yet. KP Botany 15:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
People are wearing down jackets here, I kid you not. People die when it gets down to 4-5C, which happens every few years. On the other hand, none of the houses have heat, so 12C outside is 12C inside... Waitak 00:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, please, what incredible whimps! I have to hot wax my hands after de-icing my car, and you're complainging about 12C! I did homework last night wearing mittens! Seriously, I hadn't realized you might not have heaters in such a mild climate. 4-5C could be uncomfortable, if you don't have the means to overdress for warmth. I do love a mild climate. We lived in San Diego for years before returning to the Bay Area and arrived without any coats or sweaters. When we moved we got a notice that the heater wasn't working, and we would be charged for fixing it. I established that we had never had a reason to use it, though. In Alaska and all over the north people have to plug their cars in overnight or they won't start the next day. It's interesting how with the Internet you can consider aspects of people's lives and cultures that are entirely foreign, like how mild the climate is in Hong Kong. KP Botany 16:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no... I'm not complaining... I wear a light jacket here three or four days a year, and short sleeve shirts the rest of the time. I've been to Alaska (it snowed... in August...), grew up in the Midwest, and have been camping when it's twenty below. I love cold weather. But you know, there are other ways in which people in Hong Kong would go, "People in the US (or wherever) get all worked up over that??? Ya gotta be kidding..." And don't get me started about Vegemite... ;-) Waitak 01:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I'm looking at the article right now, and there's one thing I can't figure: What are the <includeonly> tags used for? This tag is activated by transclusion (e.g. typically for templates), but the page is not transcluded anywhere! This results in, I believe, a very confusing source code.Circeus 13:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, the tag is <includeonly>, not <onlyinclude>, as is used in the article...
Okay, so it's a nonstandard (an oherwise undocumented,but I'm used to undocumented features by now lol) tag used to implement a javascript feature, correct? It still is confusing as heck to editors and furthermore causes extra whitespace to be added. Would a <onlyinclude></onlyinclude> version listed at the end of the article and commented out with explanations as to its use (e.g., similar to the explanation inserted near Template:Persondata or <references/> tags) equally work, or is it necessary that they be worked within the articles' structure? Or maybe the proper <includeonly> in this exact same fashion, and then allow transclusion? Gah! this is all too complicated, but I know I won't be able to live with myself if I don't clear it up...
Where was this feature first discussed and established? I'd need to see this discussion to properly assert the situation.Circeus 15:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I understand the behavior of the tag now:
  • <noinclude>: Shown on page, not in transclusion.
  • <includeonly>: Not shown on page, shown in transclusion.
  • <onlyinclude>: Shown in page and transclusion, but excludes other content from transclusion.
I have nothing against the tag itself, but the extra line breaks around it cause all sorts of issue with whitespace, so I think a <onlyinclude> blurb at the end, as I proposed, hidden via CSS (because these three tags have all sorts of problems when combined >.>) will work just fine. I'll try it now.Circeus 15:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Never mind that. Just removing line breaks seems to fix it.Circeus 15:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Cerealicious

Hehe yeah I understand. My whole reply is on the Cereal talk page. =) Berserkerz Crit 11:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Sorry? - that is what I need deleted. Please retain as title of list List of IHMS alumni Paring Bol-anon instead of List of IHMS alumno Paring Bol-anon. Thank you so much for the speedy reply. --Ate Pinay (talkemail) 10:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

that's okey. Thank you for the speedy response. I am turning in now. I hope the admin can follow our conversation. Best regards --Ate Pinay (talkemail) 10:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


I noticed (many months later, as it turns out) a query about the swedish page here for use in another article. I took a quick look at it and it should be within my competency level. If you still want it, let me know, and I'll translate it for you and let you take it from there. Arker 23:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


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This individual was blocked on Dec 21 for one month. The month is now over, and this individual is back, and he's doing it all over again. Carajou 00:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:H5N1 case graph

Template:H5N1 case graph has Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct at the bottom with every third verticle line lomger than the other two indicating the longer line indicates Jan 1, Apr 1, and so forth. The shaded regions are inconsistant. Count the number of months in each shaded and nonshaded ares (flu season versus nonflu season). Now look at the regression which according to the bottom "is shown extended through the end of March, 2007." But the deaths line is two thirds the way through the last three months on the chart indicating it is through to March 1 instead of Feb 1. Did you lose a month somewhere along the line? I think this error has been in there from the very beginning. WAS 4.250 18:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice spot! There were indeed two problems. First, the 2005 flu season shading was off by a month. That happened because, when I add a month, I have to manually move the shading bars, and... well, I missed. The other was that I have to manually set the end date, to show a reasonable amount of the predictive regression curve after the actual data. That's done by explicitly setting the maximum for the X axis. Last time I added, I should have added two months instead of one, so the axis didn't match the caption. I'm pretty sure that these errors were only introduced in the last few updates, though I haven't gone back through to check. Thanks again for the catch. Waitak 00:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

96.3 Radio Aire

I didn't "vandalise" the Radio Aire page, the DJ Simon Logan was on the radio this morning and told listeners to come to this ste and edit the Radio Aire page and put in stories about him (I deleted something that was a totally made up lie about him being a fireman and naming his left shoe which he read out on air this morning and replaced it with something truthful which he will find funny and read out tomorrow)

his show goes out to around a million listeners so I'm surprised that more people haven't been on putting stupid comments on! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

I apologise, you didn't write that about Radio Aire, as for the Povery comment, I've never even been on that page (until just now), so no, I didn't vandalise it, it must have been someone else on the same IP address (I work in a college so it could have been anyone!)

No problem

No problem Julian Cervantes 04:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't realise that there might be a disagreement there, I reduced the font size since it's already highlighted. I think it can be separated by colour or font size, but doesn't need both. Julian Cervantes 03:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Alright, let me try another format and let me know your thoughts. The only thing I find odd are large fonts inside a table box (it looks like it doesn't quite fit). Julian Cervantes 05:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Myrica gale

Hi, Waitak, though you might be interested in this article independent article on Myrica gale. Apparently is very good for sensative skin and acne and a large chemist is trying to raise the amount produced. --Salix alba (talk) 21:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

List of medicinal herbs

Thanks for the ref cleanup. Also, I'm glad you added the link to properties. I'll conform to that list.--LtlKtytalk | contribs 05:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

H5N1 image w/o regression?

Hi! Your image (Image:H5n1 spread (with regression).png), plotting H5N1 cases and deaths, is very good. However, the regression line (i.e. the choice of which regression to use) would probably count as "unpublished ideas" and that's not allowed by WP:ATT - is there a version of it without the regression? Thanks. —AySz88\^-^ 19:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words! It'd certainly be easy enough to make one, and I have no objection either way if that's what the consensus is. I discussed the idea of the regression with on one of the H5N1 talk pages at the time - don't remember which one. It seemed to the editors that participated in the discussion that it would be within the spirit of WP:NOR to include it, although I agree that it's at best a gray area. The editors seemed to think that it was a good idea to leave it. If you'd like to raise it for discussion somewhere appropriate, I certainly would honor whatever the consensus of the community turns out to be. I'd particularly like to hear what the major contributors to the H5N1 articles have to say before making a change that significant. Waitak 05:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you believe box

Well I "borrowed" it then, thanks?--Tomtom9041 00:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Pine nut article

Hi there! Thanks for the encouragement on my edits to the pine nut article. I rarely take the time to do what I did but that day I just fell into it. Hope to come into contact with you again. Mona-Lynn 00:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Could it have been a typo?

Well, I suppose it could have, but [1] it was a short block, and [2] could have been undone had he so stated on his talk page. - Nunh-huh 02:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for putting the info box on Clair's talk page - I had left a message on User:Simesa's talk about Clair having left for the Dutch Wonderland article, but was not sure what else to do. I still miss Clair. sigh. Ruhrfisch 03:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

WP Christianity

Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.

I've made some changes to the WP Christianity main project page, added several sup-project pages, created a few task forces section, and proposed several more possible changes so that we can really start making some serious progress on the project. Please stop by and see my comments on the project talk page here and consider joining a task force or helping out with improving and contributing to our sub-projects. Thanks for your time! Nswinton 13:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Babassu oil

Thanks for the input. However, I stand by my changes. Of course, you're free to make changes to those changes! I moved the information about the uses of various parts of the tree to the article about the Babassu palm, because I felt it was more appropriate there. Please realize that "used by permission of" is a permission statement that does not meet Wikipedia's licensing requirements. In order for us to reuse material from another website, it must be released under a free license like the GFDL. Wikipedia-only permission is not adequate. See our Copyright FAQ for more details. And, in many cases, material from other websites is inappropriate for an encyclopedia because of its tone. I think this is one of those cases. Regards, FreplySpang 14:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your work on list of basil cultivars, it not only improved the page I created, but has influenced how I format my other list pages. It definitely deserved the Featured List status.


--Kaz 14:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hey My Good Friend

Hey my good friend! It's been a while since I last talked to you remeber user:100110100? How long has it been, a year? A year has come and gone, and a lot as changed, but I've a favor to ask you, and that would be if you would be as kind to unblock me. 05:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any friends that could unblock me? I really do appriciate it anyways though. I'll buy you a beer some time if you ever come to Edmonton, well Canada in the future. 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
But you are an admin. If there's any reason you don't think I should be unblocked you should just say it out loud, no more sneaking. If you don't want to unblock me, you should just say that too. 01:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The edit I pointed out to you proves you reverted an edit. That means you have admin priveleges. Have your thought about being an admin? I'd nominate you. 04:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm doing alright. So it turns out that I don't have Asperger's. I think the last time I talked about it was in June? I told you my dad had the speculation after talking to an old coworker who's only child does have it? Well, I did do a psychological assesment. I went through Grant MacEwan cause I was NOT going to pay $1000 for a private diagnosis. They directed me to the government so my fellow taxpayers payed for it, haha suckers. Well, I have the pdf file I could send to you about; it's the whole case report, all the findings in a neat package of semidegrading intelligence test I had to endure:-/, but the bottom line is that because I dodn't have a LEARNING disability, it can't be diagnosed as Aspergers. But I did/am diagnosed with depression. There's more, but I think I'll stop here for now to give you a breather. 13:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I've just been sort of winging it with the reference style, copying other page formats; the instructions page confused me. If you could give me a quick set of instructions, that would be really helpful. Thanks! Wiki wiki1 23:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Cooking oil and palm oil "Health" articles rewritten

Hi, I've finished rewriting the cooking oil and palm oil's "Health" articles. The reworked versions are not yet on the wikipedia article page, but in the talk page. Hope it's OK to be approved and inserted into the main wiki article.

Best regards,

Zippo 15:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

In the cooking oil-article you mention:

I'll look at the specifics of the draft in a separate post. One initial comment, though
"limited as much as possible" and "some amounts of fat still need to be taken in daily" don't go together. More later. Waitak 15:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean by this that its already OK for me to alter the article-sections ?

Zippo 13:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal

You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination this year. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual main page will resemble either an excerpted list format or an abbreviated text format. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. Right now debate seems to be among support for the current selective democratic/consensus based proposal, a selective dictatorial approach like that used at WP:TFA or a non-selective first in line/calendar approach like that used at WP:POTD. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


Could you take a look at Transmission and infection of H5N1: the graph in Template:H5N1 Human Mortality is mixed with the references, and I don't know how to fix it. Regards—G716 <T·C> 21:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


It's the first time I come across the idea that Cyperus leaves are eaten by humans. There is no reason to want to do that, as anyone who tried it can attest to. Cats love Umbrella Papyrus, but to get rid of hairballs due to the siliceous fibres it contains. Try googleing cyperus animal feed or cyperus cattle for example... Captain Obvious rarely writes scientific papers ;-) But if you like to have it back in, I see no reason to object to that.

But can we track down the original source? I'd bet you it's a misreading somewhere up the line, because C. esculentus is widely used as food and has been since millennia. Thus there are many accounts of its use as food, but it is also liable to turn up in some context where someone not that firm in botany would think the leaves are eaten. Maybe some egyptologist: C. esculentus should have been a hieroglyphics word (they made chufa candy). Probably a word containing the "papyrus" sign. Dysmorodrepanis 20:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment on Category Redirect template

Because you are a member of WikiProject Categories, your input is invited on some proposed changes to the design of the {{Category redirect}} template. Please feel free to view the proposals and comment on the template talk page. --Russ (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

linseed oil

Thanks for your recent edits to linseed oil, you did a nice job cleaning up the references! Cheers, Halogenated (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

I really appreciate your "Welcome", you are always so kind... I already have an account. Regardless, I prefer to edit incognito. (have a look) ;-) Sei ;-) (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice article! Wish my German were good enough to more fully appreciate it. Is that your work? Waitak (talk) 02:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
No, it is not "my" work. It's a page were many work on ;-)... there I've learned how to get rid of some skin problems. Or should I write cosmetic problems? Without conventional cosmetics my skin has no problems more. I now make my own *100% natural* soap, shampoo, hair dye, creams, mineral make-up ect. That's the reason I fully appreciate vegetable oils!! And the reason I once asked from which plant ojon oil is derived (Elaeis oleifera).
On March 11 a new documentary by the French journalist and film maker Marie-Monique Robin was aired on French-German television (Arte): "Le Monde selon Monsanto" (The World According to Monsanto)... how the gigantic biotech corporation Monsanto is threatening to destroy the agricultural biodiversity which has served mankind for thousands of years. Using hitherto unpublished documents and the testimonies of victims, scientists and politicians, the documentary pieces together the origins of an industrial empire, built upon lies, collusion with the American government, pressure and attempted corruption, which has become the world's leading seed manufacturer, spreading GM crops worldwide - amid a lack of any proper controls with respect to their effects on nature and human health. I just finished the book "Le Monde selon Monsanto"... perhaps something interesting to you too: [[4]], Sei.

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Membership application for Wikimedia Hong Kong is now open

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Dear wikipedian:

I am glad to tell you that, out local chapter, Wikimedia Hong Kong is now open for membership applications. The Chapter will hold several Recruitment days in different locations in the territory.

Please check out the time, date and location of the recruitment days here, and please hand in your application in person in the one that is convenient to you. Please follow the instruction on that page, and better prepare all the documents needed before the recruitment day.

Please feel free to contact us via this email, whether you can or cannot attend recruitment days, for further details or special assistances.

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Congratulations! A list you have been involved with was selected a WP:LOTD for May. You may want to add the {{ListoftheDayheader}} or {{ListoftheDaylayout}} templates somewhere in your userspace. Other template options are at User:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day/templates. Your list will appear as WP:LOTD twice. If you have any date preferences in May let me know by April 25th.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Invitation to Wikipedia research by CityU HK

Dear Waitak,

I would like to congratulate you to the fantastic work you’re doing for Wikipedia! Because you’re an expert in your field and a well integrated member in the Wikipedia community, we would like to invite you to participate in our research project on collaboration activities and mechanisms in Wikipedia.

At the Center for Applied Knowledge and Innovation Management at City University we’re currently doing a research project on Wikipedia, and we are inviting experienced Wikipedians in Hong Kong to share their success stories and views on different aspect of the community processes with us. We would thus like to invite you to an interview at your convenience, preferably within the next two weeks if possible. The interview should not take longer than 30-45 minutes and will be conducted at a place and time of your convenience.

We would very much appreciate the opportunity of talking to you and learning about your experiences with Wikipedia, and we hope that you are willing to participate in our research project. Any information about participants will, of course, be kept strictly confidential.

For further questions about the project and to arrange a date for an interview, please contact Dr Andreas Schroeder at WikiResearchCityU{at} or send me an email.

We’re looking forward to talking to you in the near future.

Kind regards,
Dr Andreas Schroeder
Center for Applied Knowledge and Innovation Management
Information Systems Department
City University of Hong Kong

WikiResearcherHK (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter

First Anniversary Celebrations of Wikimedia Hong Kong

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Dear Waitak/Archive 1:

Celebrating the First Anniversary of Wikimedia Hong Kong, the Chapter will have a first anniversary conference discussing how to promote Wikimedia and her web 2.0 endeavors in education sector in this conference, as well as a better promotion for the free culture in Hong Kong. The details of the Conference are as shown below:

  • Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008
  • Time: 1:00 - 3:00pm
  • Venue:
    • Rm 201, HKCSS Duke of Windsor Social Service Building
    • 15 Hennessy Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong

For further information, please refer to This page。If you want to come and join us in the conference, or your have any inquiries about the celebrations, please contact us via the email of our chapter:

Wikimedia Hong Kong

Invitied by Sith lord darth vader (talk), 14:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008

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Looks like we've had our hands full with this guy! Halogenated (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Vegetable oils

It is still there, transcluded to the documentation page. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Yo waitak,

do you know any good graphics arttists to make the map proposed at Would be an important image to make, in regards to saving forests. KVDP (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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Grapefruit Seed Oil

Hallo Waitak, is there something what can be called Grapefruit Seed Oil? I only know Grapefruit seed extract...-- (talk) 04:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

DEC Is The Devil?

Who is DEC? Does it stand for Devil? Do you worship the Devil:P100110100 (talk) 03:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

DEC is Digital Equipment Corporation. When I was a pup, I had a job running a computer center built around a DEC PDP 11/70. Beautiful computer. Roughly the power of a Palm V, I suppose, but still. And all of the manuals used octal instead of hex, for whatever reason. Waitak (talk) 15:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Underutilized crops

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Category:Underutilized crops, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Scott Deerwester

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The article Scott Deerwester has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I can find no reliable sources to establish the notability of this person, and so he fails WP:GNG and WP:V. Freepatentsonline does not list this person as one of the inventors of this process, which invalidates the opening statement.

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Emacs

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Proposed Image Deletion

A deletion discussion has just been created at Category talk:Unclassified Chemical Structures, which may involve one or more orphaned chemical structures, that has you user name in the upload history. Please feel free to add your comments.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Saw your answer on my page - just a note, to find any images you have uploaded - select "User Contributions" in the side menu, then just under the Page Title "User Contributions", is a small menu - select uploads - WP will give you a nice list with pictures.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Arminianism

The goal of WikiProject Arminianism is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Arminianism available on Wikipedia. WP:WikiProject Arminianism as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Calvinism, but prefers that all Arminian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

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Reliable sources

Please do not add this "reference" back to List of plants used as medicine as you did in this diff. It will never meet the criteria at WP:RS and you even recognized that it is "suspect." But then you go on to say that it somehow meets Wikipedia standards? I don't think so. WP:RS states, "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." This website selling this product is not reliable and has no reputation for fact-checking or accuracy. They're not a recognized authority on this topic. And I see you brought the references from that website to this article now; have you actually read them to make sure this website's claims were accurate? Rkitko (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The thought in re-adding it was to be honorable in giving credit to the site on which I found the references. I accept that FibreSlim doesn't meet the criterion for WP:RS, but there's nothing wrong with the sources that they cite. I do see that adding the ref conflicts with WP:RS. Thanks for pointing that out clearly. Based on your explanation, I accept that it not be added. As for the articles, I have not read the entire articles, but the abstract in all three cases establishes beyond any doubt that glucomannan is used for each of the three conditions I mention. You're welcome to read them as well if you like, and offer a differing view if you think one is merited. Waitak (talk) 00:34, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I understand now, thanks. There is no need to honor or give credit to the place where we find references, especially when they're shady like FibreSlim. I often use IPNI to find the original place of publication of a species, but I don't cite the database, I cite the article that actually contains the information in a reliable publication.
I also did check the references they cited. For the most part, they seem fine and clearly state that it has had that effect in a clinical setting. Thanks and cheers, Rkitko (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)