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Invitation to contribute to an article in construction[edit]

Hello, you already know me from Israeli-Palestinian conflict arguments and I think you can help me with a new article I started working on (But didn't have too much time to sit on it casuse of things I had to do and my work in List of terrorist incidents article. Anyway, the article is the Al-Aqsa riots of 2015 who are technically still ongiong and I think you can help me since you have more then enough knowlege in the general subject. I will be happy if you"ll help me. I am probably going to work more on it in Sukkut when I"ll have more time. --Bolter21 21:21, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Please avoid wholesale reverts as you did on Israel here, take care. Tanbircdq (talk) 12:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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Kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir[edit]

Mattel Battlestar Galactica game, circa 1978

Someone who likes BSG (MK II) cant be too 'bad' Face-wink.svg I own the series myself!
So I'll say in reference to this that I had WP:BLPNAME in mind. Don't you think that this is possibly an invasion of the involved the child's privacy? After all, the two guilty minors aren't named (or did I just miss them?) 220 of Borg 05:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: I'm not sure whether WP:BLPNAME applies. Indeed he is "discussed primarily in terms of a single event". However I don't think that the name "has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed". I couldn't find any "publication in secondary sources other than news media, such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts". I'll post a question on the article's own talk page to get more opinions.
So say we all. WarKosign 07:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Fr@kking aye! Face-wink.svg - 220 of Borg 08:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
← How about this for BSG 'retro' Face-grin.svg. I just added it here 220 of Borg 01:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Huh?[edit]

Did you actually read Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)#Archaeological_record before invoking it as a reason for reverting? Since the experts are still arguing even about the existence of a place, what faith can be put in a precise depiction of its boundaries? Actually none. Bad revert. Zerotalk 09:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zero0000: Since the experts are arguing, we can't choose position of some of them and repeat it in wikipedia voice. The caption could be "according to the bible and some archeology expects", but I think it's better to omit it altogether. WarKosign 09:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
You have it backwards. The caption at the moment presents the map as a factual statement. That fails WP:V, so for sure it is against policy. The description "according to the Bible" that I used is factual and does not express an opinion as to the correctness of the bible. Perhaps you are confusing my version with a version that was there a couple of edits earlier. Zerotalk 09:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Levant[edit]

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1RR[edit]

You crossed it. Wanted to give you the opportunity to self revert. Oncenawhile (talk) 12:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Oncenawhile: Thanks, I reverted. The letter is interesting, but note that he never calls himself Palestinian, only "of Palestine". Concluding from that that he considered himself Palestinian rather than an Arab is WP:OR. WarKosign 13:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I will open a thread at the page. Oncenawhile (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Юзербокс[edit]

Just enjoying stalking your userboxes - your page is much more interesting than mine. By the way, you are being very humble with your English userbox - you seem to be much more of an en-5 than an en-3! Oncenawhile (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Oncenawhile: Thanks. Nothing prevents you from exposing a lot of irrelevant information about yourself. One of my goals in editing here was to improve my English, and I suppose I'm getting there. en-4 says "near native", and it seems too presumptuous. en-5 says "professional" which I understand as professional (copy)writer, which is certainly not my level. WarKosign 15:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry (edit conflict)[edit]

I didn't mean to imply that you were being an idiot,[1] but our changes conflicted. Believe it or not, though, the proper English translation of "Terra Sancta sive Palestina" is not "The Holy Land or Israel", idiotic edits by IPs notwithstanding. -- Kendrick7talk 17:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: No offense taken. I did not check whether the original was particularly correct, only that IP's edit was clearly blind removal of everything related to Israel. However, using the word "idiot" in a comment is never a good idea. WarKosign 18:44, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
You are correct, it's not a good idea. Still the endless edit warring — every single time I look — over the title of a map which was written plainly in black and white ~250 years ago never ends. I don't think I could be blamed for invoking WP:SPADE at this point. -- Kendrick7talk 19:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Feel like expressing your opinion [Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Here]?[edit]

It seems we both agree on the same subject, so.. yea.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Zionism: WP:30/500[edit]

You reverted my restoration of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=719228779&oldid=719080114, on the grounds of WP:30/500.

I have been editing WP since 2004, when I first heard of it. My first edit under a proper logged-in name was 2005. Your revert is technically correct, in that (apparently) I have only 385 edits in my history, not the requisite 500. However I have made a large number of minor edits (punctuation, grammar, etc.) without logging in. I accept that these don't count, because they can't be verified.

HOWEVER: The passage you restored makes a nonsense of the section in which it was placed, since it has nothing whatsoever to do with the toipic that section is concerned with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ikalmar was correct to delete it; reverting his (and my) deletion of that passage is an obvious case of officious, bureaucratic silliness.

If you are permitted to edit under WP:30/500, then I request that you improve the article by deleting or moving this content, which is clearly in the wrong part of the article, instead of just reverting the efforts of other well-meaning editors and then wandering off. MrDemeanour (talk) 12:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

@MrDemeanour: As an experienced editor you must be familiar with WP:BRD. In my opinion the bold edit by Ikalmar didn't improve the article, this is why I reverted it. I didn't set the 30/500 rule, and in fact while it was discussed I was against it. Even without this rule, unreverting a revert of a bold edit without discussion violates WP:BRD. If it wasn't for the 30/500 rule I'd suggest you to discuss it on the article's talk page, but you are forbidden from writing there too. However, if there are other editors with more than 500 edits that agree with your edit they surely will notice it in the history and discuss it on the talk page or reapply the edit soon.
Inside the section only the first sentence deals with the (relevant) poem, the rest is about antisemitism in Germany. Perhaps the title of the section can be changed, but at the moment I don't know to what. The mismatch title certainly doesn't justify removing a whole paragraph of relevant material.WarKosign 12:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
@WarKosign: Evidently I am not an experienced editor; I did not know what WP:BRD was. It seems it (a) is "optional" (it says so in the first sentence of the article); and (b) is strongly contra-indicated when the circumstances could be controversial.
But having noted that, I'm going to step back from this discussion, and will refrain from touching the Zionism article. As you suggest, perhaps someone else will notice my remarks. Take care. MrDemeanour (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion[edit]

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@GreyShark: Thanks for the ping. As with the original discussion I don't have a strong opinion, but I will watch the discussion and respond if I see something woefully wrong. WarKosign 15:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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Template talk:Jewish and Israeli holidays[edit]

Hi. I'm sorry I didn't see your question sooner. I promise not to close anything until you've had a chance to react.

User:Chesdovi made this change to the template, which effectively did three things:

  • Changed the top title from "Jewish and Israeli" to "Jewish"
  • Changed the title on the section of the "traditional" holidays to call them "Torah-based or rabbinically mandated" holidays
  • Separated out "Holocaust memorials" from the rest of the State of Israel holidays, placed it on a separate line, and added the UK's Holocaust Memorial Day to the line.

I reverted the first point based on the longstanding agreement as to what collection of days was to be included on the template. (Discussions available on the talk page.) I also reverted the second—though it is technically accurate—as being an unnecessary detail in a nav template. I left the third in place for now, correcting the link to the UK memorial day. That's the "current" version.

I opened talk page discussions on all these points. The first two I grouped as § Titles and subtitles, and I think that bit is pretty straightforward.

The third point is in § Holocaust memorials. At first, I didn't write that bit as clearly as I should have; I have cleaned it up. If I may summarize: Chesdovi has long felt that a variety of Holocaust Memorial Days should be included on the template. Prior consensus (§ Inclusion of Holocaust Memorial Days) has been not to include them:

While Jews are often involved in observances on such days, the observances themselves are not specifically Jewish or Israeli, and aren't even limited to Jewish Holocaust victims. That may be (and is) entirely appropriate, but those are reasons that those observances don't really fit on this template.

So that's what the discussions are about. I've now proposed a conclusion over there. I'd welcome your input. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Just to clarify: The bit about "months" was an edit of about four months ago from a user who felt that Heshvan had to be listed as Marheshvan (the "real" name), and that the month order had to start with Nisan (the first month in Torah texts). I only mentioned it in the current talk because it technically interrupted the stability of the template. However, because that user was a sock of a banned user, that interruption can be disregarded. That subject is not on the table now. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thanks for detailed explanation. Your revert seems reasonable, I don't have a strong opinion. Perhaps it would be best to paste it on the template's talk page, and have a formal RfC, to bring some more participation. WarKosign 06:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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There's an AfD about a topic related to you[edit]

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prior accounts[edit]

Did you have a named account prior to registering this one or use another one after registering this one? nableezy - 17:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Nableezy: No I did not, thanks for asking. How about you ? WarKosign 19:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
No. It just seems curious, your very first edit was to add popus to your monobook? A handful of edits after that, and then a five year absence. Its odd for that pattern to be the first named account of a person. Whatever, thanks for answering, Ill look at it more myself. nableezy - 21:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@Nableezy: Indeed it looks curios. If you have any suspicion you are welcome to contact WP:SPI. It's not up to me to prove a negative, even though I tried once. I can try to satisfy your curiosity, however: I created this account so I could use a preview-on-hover script while reading wikipedia and then forgot about it when I re-installed my computer. Once Operation Protective Edge began I wanted to fix anti-Israel bias on some semi-protected page, so I dusted the old account off. WarKosign 09:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
ok, fair enough, thanks for explaining. nableezy - 15:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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Help needed with Zeek article[edit]

Hi WarKosign I have been following your edits as of late as a token of excellence I would to ask for your assistance improving Zeek Wikipedia article. I will be honest and come forward that I have a stated COI with the company but I feel the information presented in the article is notable. Any input from you regarding this matter would be amazing. Thanks, Eddard 'Ned' Stark (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Eddard 'Ned' Stark: Hi Ned, what kind of help do you need with Zeek ? It would be best to start a discussion at Zeek's talk page to have more people involved. WarKosign 08:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

At the moment the article is scheduled for deletion. I seek help improving the article with better sourcing, copywriting and more notable information in general. Please have a look at the Zeek, if you believe the article passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline please state so in the article entry. Eddard 'Ned' Stark (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Does not help beginners users[edit]

So what are you silent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talkcontribs) 12:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gl dili: I have no preference regarding Erdogan's facial expression. It could be others have the same reason for not responding. You can be bold, change the picture and see how people react. WarKosign 13:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Read attention, page Erdogan not can be edit. Page is locked. You promised to help me edit it Gl dili (talk) 13:21, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gl dili: I did not promise anything. I wrote that if you suggested a better photo (which you did) and other editors agreed with you (so far nobody did), that it would be used (by someone who cares enough to make the edit). WarKosign 13:27, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


You have right to edit? And if Wikipedia, free encyclopedia why not everyone can edit articles? Gl dili (talk) 13:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gl dili: See WP:PROTECT. WarKosign 13:53, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Which edit is the POV edit?[edit]

Regarding this edit. I think that the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries is correct when it says that "The reasons for the exodus included push factors, such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability, poverty and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better economic status and a secure home in Europe or the Americas." The edit you undid was very neutral, not going into the reasons at all, while the version you reverted to is less neutral. Please consider this. Debresser (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Debresser: Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries is about "departure, flight, expulsion, evacuation and migration". Before the edit I reverted, the link on Levant said "expelled", after the edit it said "emigrated". Emigration is voluntary, expulsion is forced. Perhaps the link can be modified to represent content of the exodus article better, I do not consider this edit an improvement. WarKosign 13:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Holy Land rvt[edit]

Hi WarKosign – thank you for your time to revert my edit. I am aware of WP:ARBPIAINTRO, thank you for reminding me, I appreciate it. I don't believe there was any reason for you to revert my edit. According to Christianity, Jesus is the Jewish Messiah of the Hebrew Bible (Christian Old Testament), hence the link to Messiah in Judaism. There are many other articles, regarding Jesus as the Messiah, which link to Messiah in Judaism. There is no need for "Christians regard as the Savior or Messiah" – the Messiah is the savior, so no need to repeat that twice, in my humble opinion. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal, I am just confused why it was reverted. You state that " unbased, christian messiah and jewish messiah are different things" However, it is not "unbased" as you described. Again, Jesus is believed to be the Jewish messiah. See Christ (title), that's why I linked it to the Messiah in Judaism link. I am fine with adding [[Christ (title)|Jewish Messiah]] instead. Thank you very much for your time in improving Wikipedia. Cheers, CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 23:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@CookieMonster755: Thanks for making your WP:GF edits and taking your time to discuss the revert. I think it's best to have this discussion on the article's talk page, so more people can participate. Please re-post your comment there, I'll re-post my reply and we'll see if any other editors agree with either of us.
There is an inherent difference between the Christian and Jewish believes regarding the messiah - whether he came already. This means that while Christian believe that Jesus fulfilled the Jewish prophecy of a messiah, they do not believe that he was the Jewish Messiah, since Jewish Messiah hasn't arrived yet. They do believe that he was *a* Messiah, which is exactly what the link said before your changes. Your second offer is more correct but it introduces an WP:EASTEREGG by creating a link one (or at least I) wouldn't expect according to visible text. WarKosign 20:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
No need to discuss on the talk page, I agree with you WarKosign and see why it should be linked to Christ (title) and not Messiah in Judaism. And thank you for taking the time to fix my mistake and explain policy and the reason for it. Cheers, friend! CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 01:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hello. I wanted to let you know that Fixuture reinstated an extremely cherry-picking POV paragraph that was rejected in February, despite there was no consensus for it, not then, not recently.--Thrubeingcool13 (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Greetings. Please take a few minutes to address the concerns I have raised with the multiple references to "international law" at Talk:Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. Editors are expected to listen, respond, and cooperate once a discussion had started, rather than simply reverting changes. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:21, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf: See WP:BRD. You made a bold edit, I reverted it, now we are discussing. Consensus is achieved during the discussion, and as long as your edit does not have consensus it shouldn't be in the article. Please do not edit against the exiting consensus. WarKosign 12:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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State of Palestine Geography[edit]

Hello...I was wondering what exactly your grounds were for reverting my edit on State of Palestine regarding geography, apart from your statement about the State claiming territory. I certainly agree with you on that point, but by simply changing the edit from "The State of Palestine is located" to "The area claimed by the State of Palestine is located", it would allow the statement to be in full agreement with the status of Palestine as a de jure state. Considering the section is empty, and quite glaringly so, at the very least removing the first line would be superior to a complete lack of content apart from linking to another article. With regards to the content being unsourced, I do not agree - my edit included no specific statistics that would require reference. Simply stating countries/geographic area lying in cardinal directions is normally acceptable: a) Canada, b) France, and c) Germany, among many others. If I were to state specifics such as "The area claimed by the State of Palestine is 75km across, etc., I would understand the need for sourcing, but cardinal directions are some of the simplest geographic references possible, determinable simply from a map. I have no vested interest in any part of this region, but I do want to see the articles advanced in quality. Cheers. "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - George S. Patton :: markus1423 (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Markus1423: Thanks for reaching out to discuss, I wish you did it before re-instating your edit, per WP:BRD the proper form is to reach consensus before restoring a reverted edit. Also I think a better place to discuss it would be on the article's talk page, where more people would be able to participate. I suggest you copy your message above (or a write a new one) there, and I'll re-respond there.
To the point, State of Palestine is a virtual entity. It makes vague claims about territories that are sometimes interpreted as meaning Palestinian Territories, Palestine (region), less or maybe more than either. Discussing geography of SoP can't be correct, it can only mislead the reader into thinking that SoP has some territory and that someone actually knows that this territory is. For the same reason Geography of the State of Palestine is incorrectly named - if you look in the article, all the sources speak about Gaza, West Bank, or Palestinian Territories - no source actually links State of Palestine with geography. I intent to suggest renaming that article. WarKosign 20:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
@WarKosign: I didn't reinstate my edit, I brought it up with you first as the reverter, which technically is part of WP:BRD. I agree that this should be on the talk page as a discussion - I originally wanted to bring it to your intention first to understand what occured in greater detail than the edit summary. Thanks for reminding me about the proper procedure :)
Secondly, I think the lead section of the article quite explicitly states the area being described - "is a de jure sovereign state in the Middle East, claiming the West Bank (bordering Israel and Jordan) and Gaza Strip (bordering Israel and Egypt)"
I will elaborate on my view of this, of course, in the actual discussion. I have also found one of such proposals about merging together some of the related entities with which you were involved Talk:State_of_Palestine/Archive_12#RFC:_Restructuring_Proposal, but this article will likely exist indefinitely with others being merged into it, so I do believe this section should at least include some details. Cheers once again and thanks for the response! "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - George S. Patton :: markus1423 (talk) 21:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
@Markus1423: My mistake. Somehow it appeared to me that you restored exactly the same edit and only then wrote this message above. Apparently I was looking at the wrong part of the page's history. My "I wish" above should be "I'm glad". I'll respond to the point on the article's talk page. WarKosign 07:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
@WarKosign: Just wanted to let you know that I put in a request for a third opinion on this, considering that on the talk page most editors are unwilling to look extensively into this...wanted to give you a head's up in advance and hoping we can work this out...although considering how controversial this is, may need to put in a request for comment. Cheers "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - George S. Patton :: markus1423 (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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unproductive[edit]

This is a response that your non policy based restoration without adequate sourcing is not likely to be productive. We have rules in place with the hope that editors who edit in this area will be familiar with our policies. This type of use of primary source is not appropriate for an article that on the whole is written in an essay like tone. If there is no other source that discusses this besides a primary source study it WILL (most likely) be removed under our policies either now, or after a community discussion. Seraphim System (talk) 09:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC) Seraphim System (talk) 09:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC) (my point being that trolling reverts this way or agf making hasty reverts without reading the relevant policies ends up wasting everyone's time - I asked for a secondary source. If you can't read and understand edit summaries, maybe this is not the ideal hobby for you.)

@Seraphim System: What's unproductive is removing sourced information for superfluous reasons.
Pleace index is published by Tel Aviv University. Per WP:RS, "academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources". It's trivial to find secondary sources on the same research such as this but it's utterly pointless and less reliable that the original source. :If indeed you believe such a citation would improve the article you could find it yourself or at least use the <cn> tag. Since you made no such attempt and did not bother discussing your issues with the citation on the article page this looks like a case of WP:IDL. WarKosign 11:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
They can still be pritmary, which it is for this claim. You can ask at RS/N for more input. If it is trivial please just add the sources next time. While it may be "less reliable" in your opinion, Wiki policy strongly prefers secondary sources. The fact that the material is improperly cited is sufficient justification for removal.
The best way to avoid this is to make sure your citations comply with Wiki policy. Seraphim System (talk) 11:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I think it is not a very good article. I will probably just add a template. Now, if you'll excuse me, I really want to get back to my self-imposed hiatus. I feel myself getting mired in the quicksand again... I just checked and the page has 1,659 monthly views. I could probably get more people to watch me livestream Hearthstone while dressed like a Zombie. Honestly, there are things I enjoy about Wikipedia and editors I enjoy working with, but experiences like this one where someone restores incorrectly cited content and then instead of thanking me for taking the time to explain to them says that it is "Trivial" and accuses me of WP:IDL - it is actually bad for Wikipedia and Wikipedia will only keep declining as long as it is run this way. That is the unfortunate truth and it's not my job to "fix" it.
I also don't understand the Wiki battleground mentality. I understand editors who get upset because they are genuinely trying to improve scholarly content and quality (this includes citations) but Wikipedia is not even a good vehicle for this kind "Pro-State" message. It would be more effective to find a good looking guy, dress him in a "Stand With Us" shirt and have him talk about hair products while livestreaming himself playing Hearthstone, because there is nothing that can be said here that will help and Wiki's target audience aren't morons. Seraphim System (talk) 12:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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OR on Levant?[edit]

I added some information on the current use of "Levantine archaeology" etc. sourced to Google ngrams data. Now, I agree that ngrams data is not a fully WP:RS, however it's a start. You removed my additions completely with the comment "WP:OR", rather than say adding a Better Source template. This seems unnecessarily aggressive. I have now added some much stronger sources. --Macrakis (talk) 23:10, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

@Macrakis: Perhaps I overreacted, but using google as source is worse than not providing any source at all, it indicates original research and complete lack of understanding of how sourcing works. Now it seems like you went to the other extreme. WarKosign 12:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I was using Google to demonstrate that a term was in current use. In many ways, it is more reliable than a dictionary for that. I'll move to Talk:Levant for further substantive discussion.
As for oversourcing, this sort of claim (that some term is becoming more or less widely used) is fairly subjective, so multiple sources for it are helpful, especially since many WPians are unaware of the modern usage of the term "Levant"; anyway, you gave three dictionary sources for the claim that the term is "progressively falling" in usage (which actually none of them support). It's like the rich sourcing I provided for Whipped cream#History and Whipped cream#Crème Chantilly, necessary because many people believe strongly and incorrectly that whipped cream was invented by Vatel (no) in France (no) in the mid-17th century (no) and that Chantilly must contain sugar (no).
By the way, I've been on WP for many many years and have over 30k edits, many of them improving sourcing, so I'm pretty familiar with how it works. I'm also familiar with WP:AGF and other ways to challenge undersourced or badly sourced content ([citation needed], [unreliable source?], etc.). --Macrakis (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Macrakis: Using google search to determine whether a term is in use is a very obvious case of original research. I never assumed bad faith on your part, but OR does not belong in the article, it is trivial to re-add the content one proper sources have been provided. WarKosign 15:49, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Not sure why Google search or Google ngrams count as OR for things like whether a term is in current use, the relative commonness of different spellings, etc. Of course, like any source, they're not perfect.
By the way, the OED's Frequency Band information (see domain photos.app.goo.gl slash MXhDGL2JAMVDSQOB2 -- WP doesn't let me include the link) is "derived primarily from version 2 of the Google Books Ngrams data", with additional processing. "Levant" is in "Frequency Band 3": "These words are not commonly found in general text types like novels and newspapers, but at the same they are not overly opaque or obscure. Nouns include ebullition and merengue, and examples of adjectives are amortizable, prelapsarian, contumacious, agglutinative, quantized, argentiferous...". Unfortunately, neither the OED nor Ngrams lists frequencies for different uses of a word.
If you're assuming good faith, then you should use ([unreliable source?]) or whatever. --Macrakis (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@Macrakis: With all due respect the your edit count it seems like you have a profound misunderstanding of the WP:OR policy. Ngrams count is a valid research tool. A researcher might use it to draw a conclusion that certain term is or isn't in current popular use. A wikipedia editor is not a researcher. An editor must cite research done by someone else and published by an acceptable source, not to draw their own original conclusions. See here. WarKosign 07:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree that ngrams is a lower-quality source than an article in a reputable journal, which is why it would be appropriate to tag it with [unreliable source?]. That is, this sounds like a plausible claim, supported by a suggestive non-RS source, but please find a better source. --Macrakis (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
By the way, I see no RS for "While the usage of the term 'Levant' in academia has been restricted to the fields of archeology and literature". --Macrakis (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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David Grun[edit]

David Ben-Gurion was born as "Dawid", just a correct Polish spelling. I think a proper spelling, as per his birth documents should be kept despite later spelling modification to "David." What do you think? GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2018 (UTC) Accurately its was spelled - Dawid Grün GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@GizzyCatBella: Perhaps you are right, but let's discuss it on the article's own talk page where more people with better understanding can participate. WarKosign 19:06, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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A soft note[edit]

Your edit summary reads "rv POV push..." and it's not a constructive behavior. I suggest you avoid using such words in your future communications. --Mhhossein talk 18:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Perhaps I should've been more civil in the summary, but it is factually correct. I reverted an edit that re-instated a POV-prone statement that you did while there is no obvious consensus to include it while there is an ongoing discussion (a.k.a 'pushed'). My comment wasn't constructive, but so wasn't your edit. You should follow WP:BRD and let the consensus determine whether this statement is to be included rather than edit-war over it. WarKosign 04:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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In improving my edit today you in turn appear to have misconstrued the sourced in writing: '45 IDF soldiers were killed by Gazan attacks over the same period.' If you click on the 45 you will see that those soldiers were killed while in combat within Gaza, as a result not of attacks but of Gazan soldiers shooting back at people shooting at them in their backyard. In standard military reportage one does not define a firefight as an 'attack' by one side. One speaks of attack and counterattack etc., to get the precise dynamics of the respective military manoeuvres right. Won't make an issue of it on that page, but I would appreciate you tinkering to better reflect B'tselem's striving for neutral reports. Nishidani (talk) 21:33, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi WarKosign, since I see you're quite involved with military conflicts, please can I have your opinion on this diff? Is it true that "Prior background" is in violation of WP:OR as "sources that are directly related to the topic of the article" must not be included? Is this the norm in other military articles where "Prior background" is required? Waddie96 (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

@Waddie96: the relevant policy is WP:SYN, we are not supposed to bring what we consider connected to the subject unless there are sources supporting this connection. One needs to go over sources for each paragraph say for sure whether it's connected. WarKosign 10:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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