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Edit Warring[edit]

Hi, Please take your issues to the talkpage, I'm not fussed who's right or wrong point is you've both gone over WP:3rr so you both need to discuss otherwise your both going to end up blocked, Thank you. –Davey2010Talk 05:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Forgot to add but you may want to read WP:BRD (You were Bold, You were Reverted and now you need to Discuss) - It's all to easy to smack revert but I know from past ecperience smacking revert doesn't solve a thing and instead it essentially digs you into a deeper hole, Anyway you both need to discuss it and if you can't come to any sort of resolution then you can try WP:DRN, WP:30 or WP:RFC, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 05:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Security and Maintenance[edit]

Hey. Look, what I am going to say is just a tip from an old timer to another; feel free to ignore it, no hard feelings.

Good beneficiary actions in Wikipedia have previously been stopped and banned because the person doing them gave a bad impression. For example, is an awesome service but it was banned here for a very long time, because its maintainer did fishy stuff that put everyone into skeptical mode. See? A good thing got banned because it rubbed people the wrong way.

Let's assume Security and Maintenance must really and truly be moved to Windows Defender Security Center. Let's assume, right? With your aggressive editing in the wrong place and your bulldozer attitude, it won't happen. Face it: You gave a bad impression. Imagine Wikipedia as a huge building under construction. Bringing a wrecking ball to a long-completed wing of the building in which people have been living for years, and then giving the excuse that "it is a work in progress anyway" and "newer maps say such and such" does not fly with anyone.

That said, Windows 10 is a soup in which competing components have co-existed for three years now: Control Panel and Settings, Windows Photo Viewer and Photos, Internet Explorer and Edge, Paint and Paint 3D, Windows Media Player and Groove Music, Windows Command Prompt and Windows PowerShell... Windows 10 is approaching the end of its mainstream support and I won't be surprised if this civil war doesn't end by then (at which point it will never end).

FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 22:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@FleetCommand: A cursory review of the edit history for that article will show that I didn't rename the article. Someone else did that. All I did was observe that the article name didn't match the lead section, so I thought, hey, here's something to do (because I care about good lead sections), and I fixed it up. I don't care much one way or the other what that article is named right now. Reality is, "Secure and Maintenance" will be removed in a future Windows 10 version and the article will get renamed then. Warren -talk- 00:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Oh, yeah. That's the worst thing that could happen: People have negative attitude towards what you do but that's not even your fault; somebody else (in this case, Imgif) tripped their tripwire. But that doesn't mean you can't do anything about it. Okay, for a long time, I thought what I am going to say is a nasty trick, but it turns out it isn't. When someone does something stupid, like what Imgif did, you can become part of those people who have gone into defensive mood. Then, you show them good quality work and actually become their hero. It is not nasty or a trick because, what you do is good quality work in lieu of a consensus you yourself suggested. Becoming the hero is just a consequence. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 04:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Content from Darvin[edit]

I noticed that you had reverted my changes to the article Darwin_(operating_system). The information remove is pure product details which has its place in a product brochure rather than in a Wikipedia article. A long list of past and current revisions of the software does not add any information. The information needs to be removed as WP:NOTJARGON Hagennos (talk) 17:20, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@Hagennos: There is considerable precedent for this, starting with Google Chrome version history, Internet Explorer version history, Firefox version history and Safari version history. These articles have all existed for a number of years. It's not just browsers, either -- we have a whole category called Category:Software version histories devoted to tracking exactly the kind of content you are proposing removing from the encyclopedia. If you really believe what you're trying to argue here, then you should submit all these articles to WP:AFD and see what the community thinks of those beliefs. Warren -talk- 17:49, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Your signature[edit]

Just as an FYI, <span style="color: X">[[A]]</span> will not apply the desired color to the link. What you want to do is move the span inside the displayed text portion of the link e.g. [[A|<span style="color: X">B</span>]].

With your signature, that would be going from:

<b><span style="color:#1018ff;font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> [[User:Warren|Warren]]</span> [[User talk:Warren|-talk-]]</b> -> Warren -talk-

to something like:

<b>[[User:Warren|<span style="color:#1018ff;font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;">Warren</span>]] [[User talk:Warren|-talk-]]</b> -> Warren -talk-

--Izno (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. The colour did work when I first created it, mind you this was over 10 years ago. Warren -talk- 15:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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TfD for Template:MacOS derivations[edit]

Hello Face-smile.svg

As you are one of the top ten contributors to the macOS and macOS Server articles, I thought perhaps you might be interested in participating in the Templates for Discussion entry for {{MacOS derivations}}. This template is a navbox. The discussion is stalled because of a lack of contributors.

To summarize the long conversation there (and the changes that happened afterwards), IMHO, this navbox:

  • Is redundant to the {{Apple Inc. operating systems}} navbox. Whatever benefit {{MacOS derivations}} offers can be integrated into the former via editing.
  • Diseminates unreferenced information. A navbox should only help navigate.

As such, it should either be deleted or merged. Currently, this discussion is only attended by the template's creator, and one other anonymous editor (IP) who doesn't have any other contributions to Wikipedia.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Mac OS History[edit]

Template:Mac OS History has been nominated for merging with Template:Apple Inc. operating systems. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. - PaulT+/C 04:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Survey Invite[edit]

I'm working on a study of political motivations and how they affect editing. I'd like to ask you to take a survey. The survey should take no more than 1-2 minutes. Your survey responses will be kept private. Our project is documented at

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I am asking you to participate in this study because you are a frequent editor of pages on Wikipedia that are of political interest. We would like to learn about your experiences in dealing with editors of different political orientations.

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Regarding your revision on Power Mac G4, the name of the article and its abbreviations, synonyms, and foreign language translations are bold the first time they are mentioned in the lead section of the article if the lead section can mention the full names without awkward wording per MOS:BOLDTITLE. This doesn’t apply to sections. Interqwark talk contribs 00:58, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Interqwark: Sure it does. Per MOS:BOLD:
I have bolded the part that you need to understand. There are other articles that point to sections of the Power Mac G4 article, based on the name of each generation of the product. This justifies the bolding of the Power Mac G4's various names.
Also, I will repeat the reminder you've already received that editing articles to change one style to another is not appropriate behaviour on the encyclopedia. Is this going to be an ongoing problem with you? I hope not. Wikipedia needs productive editors who curate and improve content, not people who waste time lecturing experienced editors on style guidelines they haven't read. , 02:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
You’re fully right. I didn’t know this since MOS:BOLDTITLE doesn’t mention it. My apologies. I’ve edited Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section so that MOS:BOLDTITLE also mentions this so that others won’t miss this information like I did.
This matter isn’t about style in the same sense. What you linked to was a post about spaces in headings, which don’t change the appearance of the article outside source editing mode. I don’t see how it’s relevant.
Thanks for explaining! I’ve reverted my revisions on Power Mac G4. Interqwark talk contribs 02:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)