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New Page Triage engagement strategy released

Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Admin blocking discussion

You removed your own comment on the basis it hasn't been replied to — I was about to agree with you but got edit conflicted. Would you like to restore it or should I re-suggest what you did, effectively? Strange Passerby (talkcont) 11:59, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Please take the latter course of action if you don't mind. Thanks. wctaiwan (talk) 12:01, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China article

Since you have previously shared your view regarding a naming convention about the Republic of China, I guess you are interested to share your view at Talk:Republic of China#Requested Move (February 2012). Thanks for your attention. (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I would rather stay out of it. wctaiwan (talk) 10:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

on irc right now if you want to chat about the issue you brought up

Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Cross language wiki to wiki citing

Hi Wctaiwan, BarkingFish directs me to you. I have a question on cross language wiki to wiki citing, namely citing an English page/Template in a Chinese wiki article. E.g., it's gonna be Bo Xilai and {{Template:Inline_tags}} respectively in a English wiki page to cite, but what if I wanna cite them in a Chinese wiki page? Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Guoguo914 (talk)

If you're talking about linking to a page on the English Wikipedia, you can link it by adding :en: in front of the page title. For example, you can link to the English page on Bo Xilai by typing [[:en:Bo Xilai|薄熙來]] on the Chinese Wikipedia.
I don't think there's a way for you to transclude templates from other wikis, though you should be able to link to them as you link to articles (e.g. [[:en:Template:Inline tags]] would give you en:Template:Inline tags). Hope that helps. wctaiwan (talk) 08:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

You and Josh on IRC

Hello. I read the two conversations. I think we probably all agree that because we are nearing the end, we should consider a change in the status quo. It's dynamic and we have lots of good options, I think. One idea that comes to mind is to immediately ensure GNG based on the refs that are present in the articles. Then we could get a copyedit/cleanup drive going for all the articles, and shove them into the mainspace early, with no risk of AfD.

There are some advantages to this:

  • Students will find their article googlable.
  • Others working in the mainspace can improve them.
  • Students will like the "live" thing.
  • No risk of AfD, (but may get some cleanup tagging).
  • Will alleviate anxiety on Josh's part about the articles hitting the mainspace. (If we move them to the mainspace 2 seconds before the end of the course, the university side will end input, and will never have the opportunity to edit in the mainspace. Plus, the students will never see the radical changes to their articles which resulted in the finished product. I am still glad we chose the lesser evil of standing down. This is because, with many of the helpers being somewhat absent, copy editing and fixing every time a student made an edit would have been a bit too much to handle, although it would have guided them in making their next edit.)

There are other advantages, and also plenty of other options. PM if you would like to IRC.

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Meeting at IRC

Come if you like.

  • Time: 17:00 China time. (about 40 mins from now)
  • Channel: /join ##NNU_meeting

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Anaman Yogiji

Hey, I saw your post on COIN a few items above mine and took a crack at some encyclopedic tone editing on the Anaman Yogiji article. I think there is also some verification issues, but I didn't get that deep. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 14:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I think you notified the wrong person. :P wctaiwan (talk) 14:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Oops, you were one post below the one from user:Uzma Gamal. On the other hand, if a dialogue can be opened, I'd be happy to help your IP address guy. I am a paid COI that helps companies learn to use Talk pages and sandboxes, follow the rules and so forth. I do a lot of volunteer work and helping honest COIs is an obvious way to contribute. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 19:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. By all means, go ahead if you want. I reported the editor a COIN mostly because I think there's a real issue (promotional editing that needs watching, COI editor who needs help understanding our rules) but I'm not really up to dealing with it myself. So if you want to help them, that'd be great. wctaiwan (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I pinged him, though to be honest an IP address is unlikely to be viewing any communication they receive. I should probably focus my charitable work on those that at least disclose. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 19:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I think you've done all you can do. If they continue to edit promotionally, probably nothing short of a block would get their attention. wctaiwan (talk) 03:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012#Main points from April 6 IRC meeting's talk page. 04:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. wctaiwan (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


The editor who you raised concern over in late February is back. What do you think should be done? Given that this editor has not communicated, I am inclined that the only remaining option is WP:ANI if this continues. GotR Talk 23:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I have left a clear final warning. Please feel free to bring this to the attention of admins if it does continue, though I would rather not be involved in such discussions. wctaiwan (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Student question

Hi wctaiwan, can I ask you for an opinion on LynnYe's question on the help page? Not sure how to link it other than this way: It's the question about whether the artists in this article should be separated into their own stubs. I sort of think they should be, so I told them to ask... Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I have responded at the help desk thread. As Google didn't reveal much on either of them (though I didn't look carefully), if we end up simply removing the biographies, an approach you may want to consider (again from sonia) is to still consider the biographies when you're grading their work, by looking at a version in the revision history that contains the biographies.
(You can link to pages by wrapping titles in double brackets, just as you do for article links, for example [[Wikipedia:School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012]]. You can link to a specific section by including #section name at the end of the link, for example [[Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/NNU_Class_Project/Winter_2012/Help#help]]. But it may be easier just to go to the section by clicking on the name in the table of contents, and then paste the resulting URL, e.g. wctaiwan (talk) 05:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Student and Management tables updated

Items on both are now identical. There is a total of 68 articles.

Ticks in the mainspace columns of the tables are up to date.

Everything is in order.

Thanks for pointing out the additional items.

Good luck with exams. Don't panic. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Sorry for dumping that job on you earlier, and thank you for getting it done. wctaiwan (talk) 13:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)



Stop putting terrible ideas in my head, especially when I haven't slept! Seriously, I almost did that. >.< Isarra 05:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Point taken, and I'm glad you didn't. :P wctaiwan (talk) 09:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


I understand your issues with semiprotection, but I'm reluctant to lift it at the moment; looking at the talk page histories, there are a few IPs (could be the same person) that are using pretty contentious terms. One of them was editing earlier from a dynamic range, which is why I SP'd in the first place. If someone else lifts the protection, I'm not going to make a fuss about it. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I think I'll leave it be since it's going to expire soon anyway. wctaiwan (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Help request

Could an admin please move Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/NNU_Class_Project/Winter_2012/Drafts/Mausoleum_of_the_First_Qin_Emperor to Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor over the redirect? Thanks. wctaiwan (talk) 14:22, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Done by Snowolf. wctaiwan (talk) 14:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

NNU wrap-up time is May 30

Hello. There are still some articles at Wikipedia:School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012/Student list that need moving to the mainspace. Some have rubbish references and could be AfDd, so best not move those. But many just need a bit of cleanup and a move. If you have time to do a few, we would be much obliged. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

ROC info box

Hi WCTaiwan, Yeah I know what you mean with the revert. However the ones you checked are all countries which in their formal names contain the common names. Even Republic of Korea contains "Korea". So with Taiwan, under Wikipedia rules, can't Taiwan be put into the info box? With all the discussion to put the ROC article in Taiwan now, shouldn't Taiwan be put in the info box, at least in parenthesis? (Like what the government put on ROC passports with Taiwan on it too). Btw, I totally agree w/ your stance on Taiwan too! Hi-five! Mistakefinder (talk) 07:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for writing. I disagree, mostly because it serves no real purpose:
  • If we're following the convention of using formal names, Taiwan is not part of the official name of the ROC. (I know that a lot of government websites use "Republic of China (Taiwan)" in the English version, but I think it's just for clarification, though people have disagreed on this before.)
  • If you're saying we should include the common name... Why? The article is located at "Taiwan", and both the common name and the official name are mentioned in the first sentence. It's clear to the reader that "Republic of China" refers to the topic of the article, as does "Taiwan" in this context. There is no benefit in clarity by including "Taiwan" at the top of the infobox, and doing so seems to break with conventions without a good reason.
It goes without saying that the above is just my own opinion. Feel free to try to gain consensus for your preference on the article's talk page. wctaiwan (talk) 09:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

China barnstar.png The PRC Barnstar
For your very helpful participation in the Winter 2012 Nanjing Normal University Class Project, I hereby present to you this lovely Barnstar. You gave great advice at IRC and at the project talk, and really helped put the whole thing together. On behalf of all of the students and Josh the instructor, thank you very, very much. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
this WikiAward was given to Wctaiwan by Anna Frodesiak (talk) on 07:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Hopefully one of these days I'll actually follow through on a promise to help...
P.S. I really appreciate that you gave me a PRC barnstar. :P wctaiwan (talk) 10:32, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Following through: You did follow through. You were great.
PRC barnstar: Ha! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Translation needed

Hello, my friend. Can you read this? Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
One of my stupid dwarf hamsters. When it's hot weather they all sleep on their backs. And they dream and their legs twitch like when dogs dream. This one's dreaming about vacuuming up sesame seeds.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I found it in the logs. Sorry I missed you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all, glad I could help. And that's one adorable creature—hopefully it doesn't get too aggressive when someone tickles it, because I totally want to do that. wctaiwan (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Dwarf hamsters aren't aggressive. They might bite you a bit, but just to see if you're food. You can poke them in the stomach when they are asleep like that and they don't wake up. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


What actually is wrong with the WP:RfA system? Has anyone, amidst the flurry of reform proposals, actually compiled and gotten an agreement as to what, specifically, would even need reform? -— Isarra 11:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't know. But seeing as it's Wikipedia, in all likeliness, lots of people have compiled lots of things, but there'd be little agreement beyond "it's messed up". ...Speaking of which, aren't you in as good a position there would ever be to find out right about now? wctaiwan (talk) 12:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
You make a compelling argument. I was just thinking about it and all I could come up with was that the process happens to be full of wikipedians, and that will kill anything. Except that seemed too horrible, so surely there must be a better explanation for all this... -— Isarra 00:11, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the Chinese names! WhisperToMe (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Glad I could help. wctaiwan (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:SIVU des Inforoutes de l'Ardèche

I'll do what I can, but even the French one is a tad confusing, and I don't want to put words in their mouths. BTW, I think I remember you from Uncyclopedia? My name is Mattsnow over there. I really chose a stupid name here lol. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 03:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I did what I could, it makes a bit more sense I think. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 03:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
The Internet is a small place, I guess! :D Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 06:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

RM at New Taipei

Hello. I would like to say that, I moved "New Taipei city" back to New Taipei. Due to my fear about the technical issues (with the new bot coming up, RM bot broke down weeks ago) as a result, may I please do some adjustments to the RM there? Hill Crest's WikiLaser (Boom.) (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, so long as they're technical in nature. And thanks--I realised only afterwards that I should probably have reverted the move before starting the RM, since "New Taipei city" is wrong no matter what. wctaiwan (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)