User talk:Weazie

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Hello, Weazie, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! AniMate 21:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Natural born citizen edit[edit]

Before I go to the library, please tell me whether this edit is actually based on inspecting the relevant pages from Vermont History, which appears to be the source. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The quoted material in the footnote discusses her Vermont birth; that is not disputed. But the quoted material says nothing about her U.S. citizenship. To infer U.S. citizenship from the quoted material runs into WP:OR and WP:SYNTH problems. If the source material confirms her U.S. citizenship (or, rather, the lack of the loss of it following her marriage and relocation), please revert. --Weazie (talk) 21:27, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
There is no requirement to quote every word from the source that supports what is written. I would not make a statement in and edit summary that a source does not support a claim in a Wikipedia article unless I had read the source. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Birther concerns and The Schooner Exchange v. M'Faddon?[edit]

Hi. Are you aware of any "birther" fascinations with the 1812 Supreme Court case The Schooner Exchange v. M'Faddon (also popularly known as The Exchange)? I wanted to double-check this point because someone insisted last September on mentioning this case in the United States v. Wong Kim Ark article. Wong Kim Ark is being considered a second time right now for FA, and I'm working on cleaning it up — and FWIW, the editor who pushed for bringing up The Exchange recently retired from Wikipedia. I did find some passing evidence that some people have tried prooftexting The Exchange in support of the notion that natural-born citizenship requires "full and complete" jurisdiction (i.e., born in the US of American citizen parents), though the case itself seems to me to support the opposing view (and, in any case, doesn't actually deal with citizenship issues at all, and it predates the 14th Amendment by decades). Your thoughts? — Richwales (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

This case is rarely cited, and then usually by anti-birthers. Apuzzo once quoted it. --Weazie (talk) 20:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Any other comments on how The Exchange is currently being mentioned in the article — and/or any other thoughts you might want to express at the article's current FAC discussion page — would be gratefully appreciated. — Richwales (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the edits removing "relying heavily." Without a WP:RS, the previous language had WP:NPOV and WP:OR issues. --Weazie (talk) 21:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the existing source (Immigration Stories, current footnote #41) does use the exact phrase "relied heavily". Even so, I'm reluctant to use such strong language in the article on the basis of only one source — though I can see the possibility of someone insisting on reinstating it on the grounds that my paraphrase is supposedly mischaracterizing what a reliable source says. That was why I wanted to know if this case might be a darling of the birthers or the anti-immigrants. — Richwales (talk) 00:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
It does seem more popular with the anti-immigrant crowd than with the birthers. But even then, it is cited less often than the "usual" sources. --Weazie (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I do know this article has attracted attention from people who have objected to language that did not, in their view, obsess sufficiently on the fact that Wong's parents were legal residents of the US — an issue which, to the best of my understanding, simply wasn't in the forefront of people's minds in 1898. — Richwales (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The language regarding the legal status of Wong Kim Ark's parents is dicta. I don't know if there's a WP:RS saying that, but it is obvious because no discussion of the case ever references that fact, let alone says it was necessary to the outcome. --Weazie (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The court's point in mentioning the parents' legal status was to establish that they were not Chinese diplomats. This is, IMO, the only interpretation that makes sense in the context of the court's short list of exceptions to jus soli. Of course, fringe theorists love to engage in prooftexting and tend to have a hard time understanding or accepting the difference between holdings and dicta. — Richwales (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Minor v. Happersett[edit]

Thank you for experimenting with the page Minor v. Happersett on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. I read the case of Arkeny, and it does cite the other cases. WP:UNDUE does not apply to a single sentence with a single footnote. I suggest that you read that guideline again. Bearian (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Phoenix New Times is not a valid reference[edit]

You say "source is crap" is not a valid edit, yet "Another Stupid Sheriff Story" is a valid category for a Wikipedia reference? Really? Jwbaumann (talk) 07:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:NEWSBLOG; cheers. --Weazie (talk) 15:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Trump comments on NBC article[edit]

I started a talk page section with a bit more details on why I didn't think Trump's comments belonged in the NBC article. Hope it makes some sense (long, crazy day already and it's barely half over). Ravensfire (talk) 19:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Natural-born-citizen clause[edit]

Please see the talk page on "Natural-born-citizen clause" for my thoughts on how the article could be improved by reorganizing the headings and topics. Please consider that those of us not from the USA might find the article quite confusing in its current state. It starts off OK then looks like a quotation war (lots of quotes from lots of people with no sentences to make them cohesive. Let me know your thoughts.Dig Deeper (talk) 01:19, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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