User talk:White whirlwind

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

For all your good work[edit]

Barnstar of National Merit.svg The Barnstar of National Merit
For your excellent work in the translation and improvement of China-related articles, I hereby award you this barnstar. Well done! Philg88contact 04:29, 4 October 2017 UTC [refresh]

TUSC token e5543d7d6c132f23e1bad9e4b700906b[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Article upgrade assistance request (Pre-translation stage)[edit]

Seasons Greetings,

This is in reference to a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

Through article Ceremonial pole we intend to take encyclopedic note of cultural aspects and festive celebrations around Ceremonial pole as an umbrella article and want to have historical, mythological, anthropological aspects, reverence or worships wherever concerned as a small part.

While Ceremonial poles have a long past and strong presence but usually less discussed subject. Even before we seek translation of this article in global languages, we need to have more encyclopedic information/input about Ceremonial poles from all global cultures and languages. And we seek your assistance in the same.

Since other contributors to the article are insisting for reliable sources and Standard native english; If your contributions get deleted (for some reason like linguistics or may be your information is reliable but unfortunately dosent match expectations of other editors) , please do list the same on Talk:Ceremonial pole page so that other wikipedians may help improve by interlanguage collaborations, and/or some other language wikipedias may be interested in giving more importance to reliablity of information over other factors on their respective wikipedia.

This particular request is being made to you since your user name is listed in Wikipedia:Translators available list.

Thanking you with warm regards Mahitgar (talk) 05:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

WAM Review[edit]

Hi White - I'm Kevin, one of the organizers of the English Wikipedia Asian Month. Thanks for participating, and awesome work so far. Just letting you know that I've reviewed and accepted all the articles you've submitted so far. Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Laozi[edit]

Hello. There is no indication in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China-related articles that IPA transcriptions of the English pronunciation of Chinese names is prohibited. Omnipaedista (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Omnipaedista: that's right, we haven't added it. However, favoring Mandarin IPA is a trend we've been following for some months now.  White Whirlwind  咨  23:17, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, what does "favoring Mandarin IPA" mean exactly, where are the relevant discussions, and how does all this relate to how English-speaking people pronounce Omnipaedista (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)Chinese names? Omnipaedista (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
@Omnipaedista: oh, they're around in various places, to my knowledge no formal summit has yet been done on it. I think the general consensus was that since IPA is so rarely known in the English-speaking world, when we use it we may as well actually be accurate to the native term.  White Whirlwind  咨  00:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but the following claims are not substantiated: (a) there is no official Wikipedia policy yet regarding the removal of IPA transcriptions, (b) there is no basis for the claim that the IPA is not used in the English-speaking world (just browse any authoritative English dictionary there is or just browse the English Wikipedia), (c) you cannot seriously suggest that you (or any other Wikipedian) are in position to dictate native English language-speakers how to pronounce words—this constitutes linguistic prescriptivism (see WP:NPOV) and original research (see WP:NOR). The basic rule of Wikipedia is that editors should follow what reliable sources say (see WP:V and WP:RS); editors are not supposed to propagate their personal truths or conduct original research. Omnipaedista (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
@Omnipaedista: I never claimed either A) or B) as you characterized, please take the time to actually read and understand what I write before responding, please. I don't waste time dealing with trolls anymore, sorry.  White Whirlwind  咨  01:46, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
@Omnipaedista: If you feel that strongly about the prudence of adding Anglicized-form IPA for Chinese terms, please start a discussion at an appropriate talk page, such as the Chinese MoS.  White Whirlwind  咨  01:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

(outdent) Please avoid personal attacks. I did not troll you; I did not say that you personally made the IPA popularity claim. You cited it and I just remarked that—whoever made it—it is unsubstantiated. I also remark that you edited repeatedly the 'Laozi' article based on some discussions which you cannot explain clearly, which you cannot actually cite (since they are in "various places"), and which are not adopted policies, while I edit based on official policies. Omnipaedista (talk) 02:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Bao Zhao[edit]

Hi White whirlwind, thanks for your new article Bao Zhao. I've nominated it for DYK, see nomination page. It's a bit past the deadline, but hopefully it'll be accepted. Always enjoyed reading your articles! -Zanhe (talk) 08:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zanhe: thanks, friend.  White Whirlwind  咨  16:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Asia medal.svg The Asian Month Barnstar
Thanks for your great contribution in Wikipedia Asian Month 2015! --AddisWang (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Bao Zhao[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

this was wrong of me. Saw what you were doing and self-reverted here. can't strike an edit note. sorry. Jytdog (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jytdog: No worries.  White Whirlwind  咨  02:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Peter A. Boodberg[edit]

This isn't a big deal, but I'm curious: why did you revert my change? Even if it's true that "it is fairly common to repeat this info at the opening of body," there are lots of things that are "fairly common" in Wikipedia articles that aren't ideal. Do you really think the article is improved by repeating that information, which any user of Wikipedia will expect to find where it always is, in the first line? If it's important to have it in the bio as well, should I start going through articles adding it? If not, why (I ask again) was it worth your taking the time and trouble to revert my change, which I thought was a real if minor improvement? Languagehat (talk) 18:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Languagehat:
> "Do you really think the article is improved by repeating that information"
Yes: if I didn't, I wouldn't have done it.
> "...should I start going through articles adding it?"
That's up to you. I believe it is a prudent practice, especially when an article is nicer and more fleshed out and its lead is substantial enough to put quite a bit of space between the first line of the lead and the first line of the body. This is the case on many biographical FAs.  White Whirlwind  咨  18:56, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
OK. Clearly we have a difference of opinion, but it's certainly not worth fighting over. Thanks for replying. Languagehat (talk) 19:00, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Chinese/Sinhalese[edit]

Please help to create my language

Template:Infobox Chinese/Sinhalese

Thank you! Pasindu () 12:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@පසිඳු කාවින්ද: your edit here broke the template. Please do not edit templates unless you understand them. You may test out your edits in a sandbox if you aren't sure what effect they will have.  White Whirlwind  咨  20:43, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Translation from English to Chinese[edit]

Hello User talk:White whirlwind. I would like to request if it is possible to create a page on chinese wiki based on an English article. It is a very short article and here is the url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Mancini

I would appreciate it very much if you could help me. Do not hesitate to contact me if you need any information or details. Thank you, Irene000 (talk) 11:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

@Irene000: A page can be created on any Wikipedia, as long as it meets that Wikipedia's notability requirements. If you're asking for me to translate it for you, I must decline, as I only translate from Chinese into English.  White Whirlwind  咨  18:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

User talk:White whirlwind, thank you for letting me know. Do you know of anyone who can do the translation from English to Chinese? If so, that would be helpful. Irene000 (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

Chinese literature

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

Thank you for all your contributions to the coverage of Chinese literature, and China-related topics in general, on Wikipedia – for articles such as Zuo zhuan and Fu (poetry). Be proud of yourself, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

Sainsf (talk · contribs) 03:19, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: thanks very much.  White Whirlwind  咨  19:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

A year ago, you were recipient no. 1417 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Tibetan/Chinese[edit]

Rather than reverting Potala Palace yet again, I am trying to understand why you keep insisting on placing the Chinese name and script before the Tibetan one. I fully agree that both should be represented, but articles like Basque Country always list the native name first. Why not here? Mhoenig (talk) 10:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@Mhoenig: If you "fully agree that both should be represented", why did you delete the image twice instead of simply altering it?  White Whirlwind  咨  21:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
@White whirlwind: Because the SVG seemed redundant, the infobox already lists the name in the various scripts and I didn't understand why the Chinese was above Tibetan. I will gladly generate one but I don't know how to. Can you help? Mhoenig (talk) 12:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Foot binding[edit]

I'm wondering if using that infobox with the Chinese characters so prominent is a good idea. To the general readers, how the word is written in Chinese is of little significance, making the characters so prominent seems odd. I would suggest replacing the Chinese character with the image at the top, do you think that would be better? Hzh (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Hzh: I've gotten a lot of real-world feedback regarding the varying quality of the Chinese infobox across various browsers and mobile devices, especially when it contains less common language text but also with regular Chinese. It's a linguistic infobox and having a linguistic-oriented image makes sense, and those from whom I've gotten the feedback were very pleased with the SVG's. The issue with the foot binding article is how small the lead image currently is: it makes the SVG a bit jarring. If a larger image could be found (preferably one that's not too disgusting, given the subject matter), I think it would be a big improvement.  White Whirlwind  咨  19:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
The quality of the SVG is good, I'm just wondering about the appropriateness of the characters being so prominent, because to the general readers the characters do not really illustrate the subject. It would be like an article on the Moon, where the main image in the infobox is the word "moon". Perhaps a different infobox may be used if you think a photo is not appropriate for the infobox, although I think it works fine for articles like Oracle bone. The top image used to be the lotus shoe (a bit more tasteful I think, and less unpleasant), but someone else moved it down. Hzh (talk) 19:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
@Hzh: Don't misunderstand me: the SVG should never be the main image for the article, but only for the Chinese infobox on a specifically China-related article where a Chinese name or term is notable.  White Whirlwind  咨  10:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
There are a number of images in the commons here that might be OK, the second from top left would be fine once it is trimmed to remove the wording at the bottom, or the fourth one. Hzh (talk) 19:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of SVG, I'm wondering if you can make some for some articles on Chinese surnames, for example Song, Deng, Cao and others. If they haven't been made already that is. Hzh (talk) 20:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Hzh: That is easily done. I'll get on it in the next week or so.  White Whirlwind  咨  10:05, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
That'll be excellent. There is a list of characters in Wikimedia, but probably not all that are available have been put into that category. I should also thank you for your good work, and I hope this discussion won't give you the impression that I'm not being appreciative. In the case of foot binding, however, the problem for me is precisely that I don't think the term in Chinese is notable or particularly significant (it simply says what it say, foot binding or foot wrapping). I can see that it would be appropriate to put the Chinese characters prominently in articles where the word is the subject (e.g. surnames), or it is the proper name of a place/person/dynasty or titles (e.g. China, Mao Zedong, Tang dynasty, Shijing), or words that has some significance in Chinese and also borrowed into English (e.g. Qi), or where the etymology of the word is discussed (we could do with probably do with one in Etymology of tea). Other than that, there is a sliding scale of whether the word in Chinese is important enough to be displayed prominently. I'm a little dubious about the use of the Chinese word in porcelain, although it is not prominent enough among all the other images to be distracting. Maybe it's because there is no other infobox at the top of the Foot binding article that made the Chinese term so prominent that I find it distracting. It could be just a personal thing, although I'm wondering if large display of Chinese characters is something worth discussing by the wider community in WP:WikiProject China. Hzh (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Hzh: You're probably right regarding "foot-binding" and "porcelain". I think it's still a good idea for qi or tofu, though, as you mentioned. I'll remove it from those first two and be more judicious in the future. Kanguole isn't crazy about this practice of mine, but everyone else seems to generally be fine with it.  White Whirlwind  咨  12:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I have added an image in the infobox, but if you feel that it is inappropriate for the infobox, let me know and I'll change it. Hzh (talk) 12:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Hzh: In the meantime, you may be able to use some of the ones I made for Chunqiu/Zhanguo era states, as quite a few of those became surnames, such as Chen (state), Song (state), Zheng (state), and so forth. They have the seal script versions, but that might be still be useful.  White Whirlwind  咨  22:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you. There are already Chen and Zheng (but Zheng probably needs a regular script) but there are others that I can use. Hzh (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

{{Infobox Chinese historical biography}} and {{Infobox Chinese}}[edit]

Since some people keep moving the Chinese characters and pronunciations from {{Infobox Chinese}} to {{Infobox Chinese historical biography}} (like here for example), I am thinking it might be a good idea to merge these infoboxes somehow. Do you have any suggestions on how I should go about this? (Or if this is a good idea?) _dk (talk) 21:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Underbar dk: Some guidance definitely needs to be formulated and codified on this subject, I think. The biographical infoboxes need to be pared down, and if they are going to include all of an individual's names (which I have no objection to) that list needs to be collapsed by default, otherwise we end up with situations such as currently exists for Three Kingdoms figures where the infobox is an enormous mess. {{Infobox Chinese}}, as I've said in other places, is for purely linguistic information, and I myself am increasingly of the opinion that we probably shouldn't be adding courtesy names to them just to keep them simple. In short, I'm not sure how we would go about merging the infoboxes, as it would involve a great deal of nesting, but maybe we could formulate some clearer guidelines for infobox usage.  White Whirlwind  咨  09:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Another direction we can go is to make {{Infobox Chinese historical biography}} obsolete by switching to the generic person infoboxes (for example {{Infobox officeholder}} and {{infobox writer}}), and put the person's names and their linguistics in prose under a "Name" section. Then {{Infobox Chinese}} would only cover the simple first and last names. This would align with what the rest of Wikipedia does (for example in Sun Yat-sen). Though I imagine the resistance to this proposal would be higher. _dk (talk) 10:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
@Underbar dk: That seems like a reasonable move to me. I don't see the point of having such an infobox specific to China.  White Whirlwind  咨  09:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation from Wikipedia Asian Month 2016[edit]

Thanks for partipating Wikipedia Asian Month last year, and I hope you enjoy it. Last year, more than 7,000 articles contribute to Wikipedia in 43 languages in Wikipedia Asian Month, making us one of the largest event on Wikipedia. We will organize this event again in upcoming November, and would like to invite you join us again.

This year, we are lowering down the standards that you only need to create 4 (Four) articles to receive a postcard (new design), and articles only need to be more than 3,000 bytes and 300 words. We are also improving our postcard sending process, e.g. making the postcards right now, and collecting the address after the event ends without waiting other languges.

Wikipedians who create the most articles on each Wikipedia will be honored as "Wikipedia Asian Ambassadors". We will send you both digital copy, and a paper copy of the Ambassador certificate.

Thank you for considering! --AddisWang (talk)
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Thioacetone[edit]

I would be glad to discuss thioacetone with you, but the report that was cited in the recent edition appeared very old and it is very unlikely that these workers knew what they had. Also the comment that the compound (or any compound) can be detected downwind in seconds is not convincing as the detection would depend on wind velocity. The compound has been lightly studied because it is fairly useless. Many awful smelling compounds have been examined in great detail. In any case, if you want to discuss organosulfur chemistry, feel free to contact me. --Smokefoot (talk) 02:18, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Smokefoot: I don't think I added any new material, I just moved the notable stuff to the lead. If you doubt the sources, go ahead and look into them, it's not my area of expertise.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:38, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, White whirlwind. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Translation help[edit]

The "Mazu Cultural Palace" in Songjiang's Fangta Park, where you can get free soy milk and youtiao if you show up at the right times.

Since you were kind/foolish enough to have your name on this list, here's a note that I could use some help with the mess of Mazu temples in Shanghai. There were three; the first two were destroyed; the third got moved to Songjiang and rebuilt; and then as of 2014 Zhabei was considering rebuilding their old one. So:

If you have time and interest for any, some, or all of that, great and please leave a note here saying so. I'm asking all the listed Chinese translators for help, so we wouldn't want anyone needlessly duplicating work. — LlywelynII 02:42, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Rhoticity in English[edit]

Well, I'm not sure if you do know how reverting works because you also returned unnecessary boldface to the phrase "butter and jam" as well as an error to one of the works cited. I don't just make simple or willy-nilly edits. Anytime you feel there are problems with edits, you can always speak with the other editor one-on-one, as I'm doing now. Thanks. Wolfdog (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

@Wolfdog: the change to the "butter and jam" one I meant to do, actually, but not the error to the work, sorry about that.  White Whirlwind  咨  00:56, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Nihongo template[edit]

It is not, and has never been, deprecated. Please do not remove it again. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

And please explain your edit summary. What does Keahapana have to do with it? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:23, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: no need for rustled jimmies there, hōyū. I'll remove it whenever I feel like it, though. I prefer to understand the reasons behind commands from editors, if you don't mind.
As far as the deprecation comment, see the discussion at MOS:CHINA talk, specifically Keahapana's comment here.  White Whirlwind  咨  07:50, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
The template has nothing to do with MOS:CHINA, so any discussion there is irrelevant. If you continue to remove the template, you will be blocked for disruptive editing. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: No, I don't think Wikipedia works that way, even for admins and 'crats. If an article will be better formatted without the template (in the judgement of myself and any other editors working on the article) it will be removed.  White Whirlwind  咨  01:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Follow-up: unless there is some official policy mandating its use? If there is, please enlighten me.  White Whirlwind  咨  03:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
There is an official guideline (MOS:JAPAN) and over 10 years of de facto policy where it is is used. If you continue to remove it, you will be blocked because your only purpose here seems to be disruptive. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: ok, thanks for letting me know. I see you gave no refutation for Keahapana's points, so I would encourage you or whoever maintains the templates to take his advice. I'll use the template at Japan-related articles from now on, though I think we'll continue to be agnostic on its use over at China-related articles. A word to the wise: I've been a productive editor for quite a few years now, and am disappointed to see such quick-on-the-draw and asinine blocking threats from a 'crat.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Follow-up: next time, just share the policy info in the first place and omit the silly blocking threats.  White Whirlwind  咨  05:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It's not designed to be used on China-related articles. I have never once said so. Keahapana didn't make any "points" about its use on Japan-related articles, though, other than to state an opinion that it was outdated, so there was nothing to respond to. {{Nihongo}} should only be used on Japan-related articles. MOS:JAPAN doesn't apply to China-related articles. Soka Gakkai is a Japan-related article, not a China-related article, so that's why MOS:JAPAN applies.
As for the "threats", you were being disruptive, and multiple people explained why you were being disruptive. Disruptive editors are often blocked. Me being a 'crat has nothing to do with anything in this discussion. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: again, instead of making a blanket statement on my talk page with no reasoning/justification, try a simple explanation such as the one you just gave. We could've avoided a lot of unpleasantness.
I'm confused by your statement that there are "multiple people" who explained that I was being disruptive? I don't see anyone else here on my talk page, nothing at Talk:Soka Gakkai, or anywhere else? If there is such a place, I'd like to be made aware of it.  White Whirlwind  咨  05:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
.... Yeah, I didn't think so.  White Whirlwind  咨  00:19, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Can you help verify translations of articles from Chinese[edit]

Hello White whirlwind,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Chinese to English Wikipedia?

Language icon.svg

This would involve evaluating a translated article on the English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Chinese article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Chinese , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Chinese. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Chinese article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk)

Oracle bone entry[edit]

White whirlwind: I cited a monograph title and dictionary entry, and wrote a footnote on common typographical practice. How do these constitute primary sources or quote unquote original research in any way? Please don't be such a dismissive p***k.

@Alsosaid1987: I didn't think you were new to Wikipedia, but some of your behavior suggests that you are, so I will proceed on that assumption. There are a few things you need to understand in order to contribute on Wikipedia. I'll list the pertinent ones here:
  1. Whenever you make a post on a talk page, you must sign your post by typing four tildes after you finish. This is a basic and mandatory practice described at WP:SIGNHERE.
  2. Name-calling is not tolerated on Wikipedia. The opening sentence at WP:CIVIL reads: "Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five pillars."
  3. The instructions at Wikipedia:Original research are often overlooked by editors. I recommend that you—and all of us editors, really—read through them carefully to make sure you understand them properly. Here's a simplified example of the issue you had at oracle bone script: you write a statement to the effect of "buci is synonymous with jiaguwen and has been for a long time", and your citation for that assertion is just a sentence saying "this is true because it was used as such by XYZ in his book ABC published in 1920". This is an example of original research where the book ABC is used as a primary source. What you ought to do is find a verifiable and reputable reliable source that itself says "buci has been an equivalent term since the early 20th century. One example of this is the book ABC by XYZ..." That would be a good sourcing from a secondary source, which is our gold standard on Wikipedia (see WP:PSTS).
Hopefully this clears things up for you.  White Whirlwind  咨  01:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)


Because of people like you, I don't tend to edit articles relating to China. However, when I saw a glaring error this morning, I had to correct it. Then you promptly, without checking the merits of my edit, reverted them, and that just p***'d me the f*** off. I love Wikipedia as a resource and I volunteer my time to improve it, but frankly, I have better things to do than deal with p***ks like you. And fyi, the 现代汉语词典 records modern Chinese usage, so I don't know what the F*** you are talking about.

Alsosaid1987 (talk) 02:06, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, if you knew any thing about 20th century Chinese history, Wang Guowei is one of the founding researchers of oracle bone script and an important political figure, so that just shows what you know. Btw, this is not even my field of research... Alsosaid1987 (talk) 02:09, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The monograph I cited is not just any monograph, but a seminal one, in which Wang establishes the Shang dynasty king list, so I would say that his usage of the term buci is quite authoritative. And besides, you yourself say that jiaguwen was a borrowing, so what was it called before the 1930s? Alsosaid1987 (talk) 02:14, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. I have to return to my day job. Sorry about the lack of civility, but you either have a superficial knowledge of a subject you're ostensibly the expert on or deliberately applying red tape to well-substantiated facts in order to frustrate another Wikipedian, neither of which puts you in a particularly good light either. 亦鸣

You need to indent your responses in order to form a coherent record of dialog. I am sorry to say that if you are unwilling to be civil and to actually understand what Kanguole and I have written about WP:OR, you will find very little success here on Wikipedia and on China-related articles.  White Whirlwind  咨  16:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)