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This is an archive of my talk page as of 2008.11.25.



I am director of communications for the Commissioner of the NYS Office of Children and Family Services. You objected to my posting about my commissioner. I don't understand the objection. The information I posted is completely factual. I've added links from the governor's website and the NY Times editorial page.

Please let me know if you have any further objections.


Eddie BorgesErborges (talk) 03:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi Dan. When you report users to AIV, please ensure they have been issued a full set of warnings. Two of your latest reports did not. One had not edited since his final warning (although this one was inappropriately blocked by another administrator) and the other had not been warned at all (red link talk page). Thanks for your consideration. لennavecia 14:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Center for Business Ethics Article[edit]


I had created the Center for Business Ethics article and was taken down for speedy deletion because it was deemed as spam. The Center for Business Ethics article is not spam or advertising. We at the CBE would like to write an article to be posted so that it can be used as a reference when it comes to business ethics or social responsibility. The Center was one of the first to be established to talk about business ethics, scandals, corporate social responsibility, and much more that deals with ethics. Please advise on how I would be able to get the article up again. Thank you for your help.

Csresponsibility (talk) 13:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

There already exists an article on Business ethics; if you would like to expand on the information there, please feel free. All articles always benefit from the attention of experts in the field. However, the article you posted about the Center for Business Ethics was NOT a reference for business and social responsibility, it was a promotional description of the programs available at YOUR institution. If you think your institution is worthy of an article, based on reliable third-party citations in national press instruments, then you can post a request at the requested articles page, and hopefully some interested but neutral third-party editor will take up the call. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


Hello WikiDan, I am sorry to hear that you found the articles I posted too commercial.

I was simply trying to add information in a number of "new" categories that could help people understand new concepts like "PRF" and "autologous fibrin sealant".

I will try to make it very short - and much more fact based. Will you then approve this?

Kind regards

MP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Poulsen (talkcontribs) 16:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

If you can cite reliable third-party sources in your articles (even articles that your company has published in peer-reviewed journals would suffice), that would go a long way toward establishing the articles as something other than pure advertisement. It would be preferable to have a third party write the articles. You could post a request for article. If you still prefer to write the article yourself, try to keep it as factual as possible and keep out the marketing speak (words like revolutionary and breakthrough are definite red flags). Also, unless the medical community has come to accept PRF as a standard acronym for platelet-rich fibrin (as opposed to a convenient shorthand used in your company's marketing materials), I wouldn't add it to the PRF disambiguation page. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand. However, PRP and PRF are widely used acronyms in the clinical litterature and therefore I find it sad that there is no explanation on wikipedia. Furthermore, I do not see how the company description (Vivostat) is less objective than other company descriptions (e.g. Please advise me what to remove. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Poulsen (talkcontribs) 16:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You've done a pretty good job a removing the advertising jargon in the Vivostat article. The conflict of interest tag should remain on the article until there has been significant contribution from other editors. As for the PRF acronym, that was removed from the disambiguation page because the page it linked to was removed. If you can create a neutral, well-sourced article on platelet rich fibrin, then you could restore the PRF disambiguation as well. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. However, having the "Conflict of Interest" tag on the article makes it look like I am trying to misinform the readers and I do not find that very useful. I'd rather if you would just remove the entire "Vivostat" article then. Thanks! Also, do you know how I delete my user name on Wikipedia? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Poulsen (talkcontribs) 17:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand your point, and I believe you have made a good-faith effort to provide a neutral article. I have removed the tags from the article. As to your user name, I have no idea how to do that. You might want to try looking here. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


Stop hand nuvola.svg This is the only warning you will receive for your Wikiholism.
If you edit Wikipedia again, you will be nominated for administratorship.


Kiano1234 (talk) 11:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, I added the hangon tag to the page for a reason; I'm not a Wiki nerd like some people and it has taken me time to gather references and citations for the page, not a matter of minutes it took you to delete it! Secondly, I have no connection with Kiano.Net whatsoever, I simply thought up the name for my username, searched Google, and realised there was a website with the same name which is in desperate need of an article on Wikipedia, which is of course an encyclopedia, not just a collection of articles that people think are 'notable'. Kiano1234 (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, Kiano.Net IS funded by a local government agency, as stated on the website. It would be nice if you looked at this instead of just jumping in and looking good by 'reverting spam' just so you can add another edit to your edit count. Kiano1234 (talk) 17:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

If you feel the article is worth creating, try creating it in your own user space. Once the page is to your liking, complete with citations, then you can place it in the general article space. As for the local government funding, you'll have to point that out to me because I've been all over the site and can't find any such indication. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Try the Mars for Dummys local government. You really do need to slow down and concentrate on quality and not quantity of edits. Kiano1234 (talk) 18:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

What is the "Mars for Dummy local government"? (Sorry if I'm seeming dense here, but I'm looking at as I type and I don't find any references to government funding.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

If I edit the article on my userspace then other 'good' editors will not be able to contribute to it. The whole purpose of the hangon tag is to show that work is in progress. Kiano1234 (talk) 18:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The purpose of the hangon tag is NOT to show that the work is in progress. It is to declare your claim that the page should NOT be deleted, with the intention of explaining WHY you feel it shouldn't be deleted on the page's talk page. Since you made no entries on the talk page explaining your hangon tag, an admin decided to delete your page. (Please note, I did not delete your page -- I only nominated it. At least one other editor, one with admin privileges, needed to agree with my assessment.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

U nominated seconds afta i submitted the article, givin me no time wotsoeva 2 expand or add to it. Kiano1234 (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

That's why I suggest you use your own user space. You can expand and add whatever citations you feel are appropriate, and then place it in the main article space. If you feel I'm being unreasonable, resubmit the article. I will not touch it, and I'll leave it to other editors to make whatever evaluations they feel are appropriate. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

But then using my own space means that other users will not be able to see it as easily and to give their 'valued input' just as you have done ^o) Kiano1234 (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You have complained that you didn't have enough time to develop the article to your liking. If you develop the article in your own user space, you will have all the time you like. Once the article is developed to your liking (not finished, but just developed as much as you feel you can without others' input), THEN place it in the main article space. Then all the other editors will be able to contribute as much as they like. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

But that is not the point of Wikipedia, the status of the site, as described on the Wikipedia page is "work-in-progress", therefore the Kiano.Net article is "work-in-progress" and should be included on the site. It is an encyclopedia, NOT just a website containing information that 'people' think is 'notable'.

Please review the Wikipedia guideline outlined at WP:WEB. Although Wikipedia is described as a "work-in-progress", this refers to the open and ever-changing nature of the site. It does NOT mean that Wikipedia is to be used to catalog every piece of arcana that anyone chooses to deposit on it. For a website to be included in a Wikipedia article, the site must have been the subject of multiple secondary-source articles about it, describing not only how the site works but why the site is significant and how the site has impacted the internet community at large. If you can create such an article about, please do so. The article that you had created that got deleted was NOT such an article. If you take the time to develop the article in your own user space before introducing it to the main article space, you will have a better chance of the article not being speedily deleted again. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I am not trying to describe Kiano.Net as a website though, I am showing the features of free PC help and up to date local weather forecasts, something which is unique in Derbyshire. Kiano1234 (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

And please don't keep cluttering up my talk page with Tb headers, I am perfectly capable of seeing when you have written back to my comment thank you. Kiano1234 (talk) 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You are free (and encouraged) to delete the talkback banner as soon as you have reviewed the message. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

But I don't want it there in the first place, it is meaningless as I can already see that you have replied to my comment. Again it is just used to add to your edit count. Kiano1234 (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The {{talkback}} template is an established means of communication here on Wikipedia. I'm sorry you don't agree with its use. I also have come to the conclusion that your belligerence toward me has led to an end of useful discussion. If you are unhappy with my actions, take them up with an administrator, and if they agree with you, I will accept that judgement. Do whatever you will with your article -- I will let other editors manage that issue. Please do not contact me on this issue again. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Haha! Pathetic! You should understand and respect the requests by other users, not just your own. Kiano1234 (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Helen Wu[edit]

Dan, thanks for assistance with page "Helen Wu"...--Dtcraig (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Just callin' 'em as I see 'em. The article needs work, but I believe it's a valid start. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Bernhard Frehse[edit]

Its about myself. I will be famous one day. But guess its fine, just delete me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexanderfrehse (talkcontribs)

Well, one day, when you get famous, I'm sure someone will love to write about you. Until then, you don't meet the guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. And, for the record, I'm not an admin, so I can't delete your page. I can only tag it so an admin can take a look and either agree or disagree with my assessment. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

In appreciation of your fine work[edit]

Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Man's Barnstar
This is presented in appreciation of your wonderful contributions to Wikipedia. Keep up the great work! Ecoleetage (talk) 13:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Just doing what I can to keep Wikipedia the fine source of information that it is. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion nominations[edit]

Please check article histories before nominating articles for deletion. People tend to do the sort of thing that happened to that article. We don't want to lose good content because of it. Uncle G (talk) 21:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I stand duely chastised. I had checked 3 or 4 previous revisions, but not back far enough to detect the vandalism. Thanks for the backup! WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
    • No worries. Uncle G (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Slad and Veter deletion[edit]

Hi. I'm totally disagree with a deletion of an Slad and Veter page. It's a heroes from the one of most popular USA Tv commercial...Millions of people(including me) are watching this commercial and they're really curios about every detail in this spot, especially about those guys. just type the Techno Twins commercial in the Google and you'll see how many things are there about it.It's already a 145.000 views on a you-tube and thousands of comments. And people are asking about the same thing OVER and OVER again. So, i think that u should rethink your decision.

thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvester7 (talkcontribs)

Sorry, you've got the wrong editor. I never looked at your Slad and Veter page. I DID tag your Leo Luganskiy page, and apparently others agreed with me as it was deleted again when you reintroduced it. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's almost the same thing. believe me - people needed this wikipedia page! Check out this link and you'll understand everything:

I'm sure that it's a lot of LESS interesting stuff than this you've approved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvester7 (talkcontribs) 03:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Just because an actor appears in a commercial, that does not make them notable, no matter how interesting or clever or funny the commercial. (By the way, I really HATE those commercials, so you won't win me over with the argument that they're just really good commercials.) Wikipedia has policies about what constitutes a notable person, and if a person doesn't fit the guidelines, they shouldn't have an article. I don't make the rules, they are agreed to by the consensus of the whole community. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 03:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Exactly ! That's the reason ! Hate, jealousy, racism ..all this negative stuff....It means that u're against AT&T and the music.... And it means that a WIKIPEDIA is all the way PROFIT project like IMDB.

Well, i hope that the new president will made some good changes. Well, u messed up with a difficult girl. I'll do my best to get involve more people and they'll keep creating this page over and over again. And it seems like this guy is appeared in some new music video of notable singer Matt white. And i'm even don't care if Leo Lugasnkiy is not really want to be in the wikipedia... I wanna create my first page.. this is my decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvester7 (talkcontribs) 03:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I can HATE a commercial without hating the persons in the commercial, and I have NO idea where jealousy and racism come into play. The fact is, your subject just isn't notable, and doesn't rate a Wikipedia page. You've gotten into arguments with at least 4 different editors over your articles, if you continue to add such articles, they will continue to be deleted. That just wastes your time and everyone else's. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 04:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

A Level English Language[edit]

Hi, that page I created was so because I there was no page for A Level English Language and this is no English Essay. This is material thta any person can access if they wish to learn about A level English Language. It is not fininshed as there will be WAY more, however I haven't got the time to do it very often as I attend college and do this in my spare time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradbmh (talkcontribs) 08:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding whi-spa & etc.[edit]

The thing is, Mokorim doesn't seem to be interested in creating useful redirects.

Instead this user invents new words and claims widespread acceptance of these “novelties”…—Preceding unsigned comment added by Skarebo (talkcontribs)

Yes, I see your point. He seems to be on a POV campaign.WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Yep, thank you—“POV campaign” is a fitting description of it.Skarebo (talk) 14:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Signing posts on talk pages[edit]

Thank you for your message. I note however that you don't seem to sign your messages. Please remember to do so by either adding four tildes (these ~~~~ or clicking on the signature button. Thank you.--♦Tangerines♦·Talk 16:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I'm great at making mistakes!--♦Tangerines♦·Talk 16:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

ERROR: Please enter the username parameter when using the {{Talkback}} template - thus {{Talkback|<username>}}.

Computer Aid, inc.[edit]

I updated the article to add significance.Russojar (talk) 15:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Since the article is now in the hands of the community (via voting at its AfD page), I suggest you take all further discussion to that page. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Henry Lynn[edit]

Nice work with the clean up of this one, I have done a little more. – ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Henry Lynn edits[edit]

Thanks for the editing of my first Wikipedia article: Henry Lynn. I'm still learning. I spent 1 week constructing the original article, as a subpage of my User Page. Re- the biographical data in paragraph 1, the information about Henry's personal frustrations comes from his daughter, my wife, Lila Lynn (Humphrey), and from his wife, Kitty Cooperman Lynn. She lived with us for many years before passing on in 1987.

The Pogroms had a disasterous effect in Bialystok, especially in 1906 when a majority of the population was Jewish.

Earlier today I added references for Bialystok, Kitty, & Lila, and I see that only the Bialystok reference remains, so I assume someone edited/deleted the ones for Kitty & Lila.

Are daughter & wife not considered valid as direct sources for Henry's motivation & decisions?? His desire to leave Bialystok was very strong. In 1986 I heard him describe his feelings in 1912 when he came to Boston, alone, as a 17-year old.

Thanks for the fine editing (& accelerating my Wiki-education). Let me know about the deleted references of Kitty & Lila.

Thanks ...

MikeNHumphrey (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC) MikeNHumphrey

You can check WP:RS to see what are considered valid sources. In general, personal reminiscences of the author, the subject, or of others close to the subject are all considered "primary sources" and are not considered reliable. Published interviews would be a better source. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Photography and reality article[edit]


I fail to understand how my article constitutes original research. The article merely presented different points of view on the subject of the relationship between photography and reality with full referencing, and little to no comment. Can you please explain to me why this would be considered original research? Tuckwell (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Your article represents an original synthesis of ideas not previously covered in any of the references you cite. Plato held one idea on the nature of images, while Sontag held a different idea. Your article synthesizes new thought from these two references. Even though your article draws no conclusions, it does open a new avenue of discussion not included in either of the source citations. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


You deleted a "redirects" on my user page, and I'm just wondering why. I am a new user, and I don't know how to do much, so do you know how I can put "redirected from George Tsimbidaros" (because people might type that in) on my page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliada (talkcontribs)

You created a page in the article space named Redirected from George Tsimbidaros. This is not a proper name for an article. The content of the article was "See George Fteris". Unfortunately, there is no Wikipedia article with that name. Your personal user page (User:Iliada) contains an article with that title, but you have not placed the article into the general article space yet. When you do so, if you believe that people are likely to look for your article under the alternative name, you should create a second article with the name George Tsimbidaros, whose sole content should be "#REDIRECT [[George Fteris]]". This will accomplish the goal I believe you are seeking. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't sure if it was worth creating when I made it, so, yeah ok AB Danuvius (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Lantin Prison[edit]

I made some improvements to Lantin Prison. -- Eastmain (talk) 22:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

your suggestions.[edit]

Thanks for the data. I would like to give more information about the school. I will take out all the advertising sections and just use raw data. I am the school's Public Servicing Director and am trying to make the wiki more accurate. I just copied data from the web which was probably too "adverty" I will just put the facts.

Hope this is OK, Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeGellie (talkcontribs) 14:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

As a person closely connected with the school, you should be careful about editing its Wikipedia article, in order to avoid a conflict of interest. Correcting blatantly wrong facts is acceptable, but any other additions will be regarded with skepticism. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Greenfields School[edit]

Hi Dan,

OK. Having trouble here. I have fully copyright permission and am the web editor.

Of course I want to change some information so that it is not false and give as much fact as possible.

There is no COI as I am not arguing any point of the web except want to change one false statement. The statement (not in a bad way) is that it is a "Scientology-based school." While I have no problem with Scientology or its methods, it just isn't.

This school is based of "Study Technology" which was developed by the same person as developed Scientology.

The school does not, has not, and will not run off or encourage any Scientology religious beliefs. We of course will put the connection to L. Ron Hubbard and leave it completely open for the public after giving the facts.

What do I do?

I am the copyright holder for "Greenfields School" and have developed and written the website myself so is there any major reason I can't just copy text? Do I have to re-write it all?

Help please.

Thanks, Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeGellie (talkcontribs) 09:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I have no issues with identifying the school as a proponent of Study Tech, which already has a full Wikipedia article and which users are free to read and draw their own conclusions. The problem with adding the material from the school's website is 1) you did not post any information about having permissions (please see the guidelines at WP:Copyrights to learn what is necessary to post copyrighted material with permission); and 2) the school's website is, by definition, biased and non-neutral, and therefore is NOT a valid source for information about the school. The material you had posted was all very much promotional for the school. Wikipedia is not here to promote your school; it is here to provide verifiable, non-biased information. As a person closely associated with the school, you might not be the best person to provide such information. If you believe the article needs more information, you should consider creating an updated version in your own user space and getting some input from other editors before introducing it to the main article space. Alternatively, you could place a {{expand}} tag on the page, indicating that the page needs expansion. Then, any interested third-party editor can take up the cause and find whatever information might be available to add to the article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Greenfields School Page[edit]

Thanks Dan,

Makes sense.

I will check out those references.

All the best, Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeGellie (talkcontribs) 15:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

addition to wiki ecotourism page[edit]

Hi Dan61, I got your message about removing the external link for an ecotourism company based in the UK called Nature&Kind. The reason i put it there is they are very pro-active in ecotourism and sustainable travel activity and i have recently used them for a trip to South Africa ( they arent an agent just recommend travel experiences ) i am purely an individual who spent months doing research on the safari we did exploring alot of sites but felt the natureandkind staff to provide everything we required. They also have Bruce Parry ( BBC Presenter ) as their ambassador so they are very credible. Are you happy i relist the site?


Darin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darinbutler (talkcontribs)

Since the article already has a section about tour operators, you could probably add the name of the company in that section. If the company already had a Wikipedia article of their own, it would be OK to add the wikilink to that article. But you'll notice that the external links section doesn't list ANY other tour operators, as that would just be a promotion for that company, and that's not what Wikipedia is for. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok Dan Thanks, i will tell them to create a Wiki page about themselves and also look at the tour operator section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darinbutler (talkcontribs) 22:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be inappropriate for them to create a Wiki page about themselves, as this would almost certainly be deleted as spam. If the company in notable enough, someone will write an article about them. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your help -- still getting my head around where to place everything

Bct wiki (talk) 16:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)



I have added several sources to the Fightback article, which I believe are sufficient to establish its notability and verifiability. I would request that you review the article and reconsider your support for its deletion.

Thank you,

Sickle and Hammer (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

GSM Gateway[edit]

Not being able to read Turkish, I presumed that it was not actually about GSM Gateways, due to the POV statement "anti scientist turkish partizans". If it is in-fact about GSM Gateways, I apologise, and I will be more careful tagging articles of this nature in the future. --TubularWorld (talk) 14:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ed Hauser[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to the Ed Hauser page.
Rick Pollack (talk) 18:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)