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Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

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RE: Tanoli page[edit]

The reason i nominated the page for deletion is clearly stated on the AfD page. Follow the link on the template to find it. Thank you TheProf | Talk 20:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say there is no way to stop the vandalism. Wikipedia is a free Encyclopedia and everyone is welcome to contribute. All we can do is revert the vandalism and warn the vandal. Persistant vandals will be blocked. User:Afghantanoli has already been blocked for his vandalism of that page. If it survives the deletion vote (which it looks like it will), i will keep the page in my watch list and revert any vandalism i find. Thank you TheProf - T / C 13:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
One more thing, try and remember to sign your comments on talk pages by adding ~~~~ to the end of your statement. Thank you and have a nice day! TheProf - T / C 14:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The page is starting to look more like a wikipedia article now. Thank you for your contributions. You are allowed to vote in the deletion disscusion aswell! Please feel free to do this at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tanoli. Cheers! TheProf - T / C 15:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd just like to say, Wikitanoli, i think you're doing a wonderful job in trying to improve this article. Keep up the good work :-) TheProf - T / C 14:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to answer tomorrow or past tomorrow. Too tired today --Enric Naval (talk) 02:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I took out those two tags and justified the removal, but I added the Nofootnotes tag so people will use "ref" tags for better verifiability. I have to say that a very well sourced article usually discourages vandals from introducing unsourced statements. I think that you are doing a good job too at the article :) --Enric Naval (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


Tanoli[edit]

Hi there,

I am the original writer for the Tanoli page before a very rude user almost destroyed my work. I tried my best to reason, but to no avail with the user Pakhtun Tanoli (alias Mumtaz Ahmed). I have just checked the page after an extensive period from it, and noticed that you have done very good work surrounding the article. With your permission and assistance, would you like me to help with clearing up the article format? Not info wise, but in terms of formatting the references, cleaning up the tone and language of the article to wikipedia standards.

Please let me know if you would like help in this area, as I do feel some form of duty to this article as I originally did a lot of research on the Tanoli tribe and provided the citations through the article at the time which abusive users have now removed over time....--~Raja~ (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your kind words Tanoli saheb, I will do my best for this article again Inshallah. Pictures can be uploaded by a simple process. Let me know what you would like to upload, i.e. on your talkpage or the article itself? I know what you mean about the vandals, unfortunately some of our people have very little reasonability or common sense.....what can I say....
Inshallah, the article will now be on the road to improvement, thanks to your commitment.--~Raja~ (talk) 13:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Salamz again Tanoli Saheb, I have cleaned up the article somewhat and have left the addition of info to other editors for now. Take a look when you have time--~Raja~ (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks[edit]

Thanks for cleaning up the Tanoli page :) It was very difficult to know why was people being mentioned in some places in the text. --Enric Naval (talk) 04:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome Enric : ) You are right about the fact that other people resembling the names of Chiefs of Amb were present at the time and that can be confusing for a person whoes not familiar with local names and places of that region; but on close inspection of any source of info, you can figure out whether its about the tanoli chiefs or someone else. Just look for key words, such as; Amb, Darband, Tanawal, Tanoli, Nawab, Hazara. tc Wikitanoli (talk) 16:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Dear Wikitanoli:

I really apprecite your effort in updating the AMB history . I suggest that the pictures of the then Nawabs be uploaded in oredr to give more grace to the page. Being the part of the AMB family can be arranged.Looking forward to your reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.159.236 (talk) 06:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes adding pictures of the Nawabs of Amb and other related pics would make the page more presentable. Your help would be appreciated. tcWikitanoli (talk) 11:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

brother how i can let comment on tanoli talk page can u tell me ? i am from swabi belong to youafzai tribe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yousafzaiswabi (talkcontribs) 17:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Brother the tanoli page has been semi protected, which means you cannot make edits. This step was taken by wikipedia admins because the page was being vandalised at daily basis and information was being added which was not in tone with the article, if you have any relevant information backed by reference, do let me know, I can edit the page.Wikitanoli (talk) 17:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

notability for this tanoli[edit]

See [1], I have already removed this guy from the article several times. Can you check who this person is? If he turns out to be some notable person, then please try to find some source so he can be added to the article, and we can close this. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

He is not a notable person at all, probably some guy entering his own name there and you have very rightly removed him from the list. Thank you! Wikitanoli (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Not at all :) --Enric Naval (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha yeah I mean that, i would say those people must be notable in their own street or locality, but I dont think that deserves a mention here. Not encyclopaedic or helpfull at all : ) Wikitanoli (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Tanoli pakhtun tribe (asaad afridi )[edit]

http://yawiki.org/proc/Tanoli —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.123.224 (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Asad Afridi, this link that you have posted above has lots of information which connects Tanoli tribe to the Pashtuns. I agree with the content in this article to some extent but I believe those people who think that Pashtuns are the ones who only speak in Pashtu, will not agree with this as the native language of Tanawal is Hindko not Pashtu. Tanolis are no doubt one of the bravest tribes of the NWFP and one of the few tribes who had their own independant Kingdom, with the Nawab (also a Tanoli) as their ruler and a whole system that is required for a State. They were never subdued by the Durranis, Sikhs or the British; so our history is a testament to our strong stand in the region and we are proud of our tribe. The Article rightfully menions the Parawalli of the Tanolis; which is same as Pakhtunwalli and our customs and traditions are all those of Tribal Pashtuns. So although even if I agree with you on this, there would still be Pakhtuns argueing that Tanolis are not from amongst the Pashtuns on linguistic basis. This is a reason why Pashtuns are divided. However, the Barlas Mughal origin theory is also a very plausible theory which is backed by very old documentation. Another thing I agree with in this article is the Janjua origin theory is totally baseless and absurd.Wikitanoli (talk) 23:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you look at the source for the subtribes and point out the exact page? I left a comment on the talk page with a link to volume 3. --Enric Naval (talk) 08:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It was actually another book containing the tanoli sub tribes' names; I have brought about the changes, you can check from the Tanoli page. Cheers! Wikitanoli (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone has added more subtribes, can you check them out and see if you can find a source or something? --Enric Naval (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:1917 Darband, SIR GEORGE ROOSE KEPPEL, SAHIBAZADA SIR ABDUL QAYUM.jpg[edit]

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This picture is from my personal family albums and added them here as the picture historically relevent to the Amb (princely state) page; not taken from an external source. Cheers!!!Wikitanoli (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

ok[edit]

ok my tribe is banu khel but there but most people know by Tanolian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.153.228.82 (talk) 17:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops![edit]

Sorry about that, didn't realize the syntax I corrected was part of the image description. I've reverted my corrections and the images should be back now. That'll teach me to correct text used in images. From now on, I'll leave image corrections to editors who know how to do that and stick to text only. Alvin Seville (talk) 21:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, you are doing a great job here. cheers!Wikitanoli (talk) 22:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


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This picture is from my personal family album and has no copy rights attached and it was taken in the year 1921; I will mention this in image description. Thank you. Wikitanoli (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

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Tonali's as a Hazara Tribe:[edit]

Salam Wikitonali: I am writing this section to tell you if Tonali's of Hazara (Pakistan) is same with the Tonali's tribe of Hazara people in Central Afghanistan. Her is the link of Hazara. [List of Hazara Tribes. Thanks

Tonali's as a Hazara Tribe:[edit]

Salam Wikitonali: I am writing this section to tell you if Tonali's of Hazara (Pakistan) is same with the Tonali's tribe of Hazara people in Central Afghanistan. Her is the link of Hazara. [List of Hazara Tribes. Thanks Ehussain (talk) 04:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Ehussain! came on wikipedia after days and just saw your message. I there is no relation between the Hazara tribe of Afghanistan and the Tanolis of the Hazara region in Pakistan. Thank you and cheers! Wikitanoli (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you! I will do that when i created this pade because its about the displaced people of the biggest earth filled dam in the world and has encyclopedic relevence. I had copy pasted from a website and given the websites adress but I will write the article myself and publish it here. Help from any other editor in this regards is also welcome. cheers!Wikitanoli (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Tarbela Dam[edit]

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I have added the part from the article in my own words now. I had copy pasted from this website, but the point i am making here, is that many families have still not been compensated by the Pakistan government and this is an important part that has to be mentioned here.Wikitanoli (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I added a reference to what you put but it is from 1999, I will look for something more recent. If you have good information for an article that is great but be careful of advocating.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, the current situation is still the same as mentioned in that article, you can verify it.cheers Wikitanoli (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Andki or Hindki what is correct[edit]

Dear Sir I find you is discussion forum at Hindkowan page. In my opinion, District Indkai and Faryab province seems to be place of Migration of Indki (Hindki) to recent location. They migrated to recent places alongth with Baluchs and Pashtu speaker. and Pashtun call them Inkai as singular and Indki as plural perhaps with the reference of their previous location as later they lost their native language. Some how they got segregated by main tribes because of change in native language.if it is derived from Hind Why Hindki term is not used for Punjabi's of lahore It is strange while that within punjab the indentity with Hindko is seldom found and commonly used word in history for a country is is Bharat instead of Hindostan. Most of Historian confused their origin with by using incorrectly the using the word Hindki . please oblige me with your opinion?Zarrigul (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear Sir, it is the first time im hearing of this contention that you have mentioned and i have no knwledge about such a origing that you have mentioned. I believe hindko is a language quite similar to punjabi and is thus considered a dialect of Punjabi. People coming from different areas did adopt this local language. I believe it originates from the word Hind and ko, probably if you go into the meaning of these two words, Hind is this region and 'koh' probably referes to the mountains. Hindko there fore a language of northern india, which since 1947 Pakistan. but then again, im no expert at linguistics. I hope it helps. cheers Wikitanoli (talk) 10:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I would please refer you all to Dr Christopher Shackle's landmark study on "Hindko in Kohat and Peshawar", in The Bulletin of the SOAS (UK),1980, 63:3, pp.482-510, wherein he identifies Hindko quite definitely as a dialect of Punjabi; although many scholars here in Hazara and in Peshawar disagree with his views and insist on Hindko being a separate language. However, they also agree that it has an affinity to Punjabi and Kashmiri. Khani100 (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100

Actually, dear User:Wikitanoli, I just wanted to please inform you that Ive requested mergers of several stubs on some of the nawabs of Amb (princely state) into this main article, due to excessive duplication/repetition, and would be glad to have your feedback on this too, on the appropriate talk pages, tanks. Best regs Khani100 (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100

Dear Khani100 , you are doing a great job here, keept it up! i guess theres no harm in having seperate articles for each Nawab of Amb but we can copy paste all the info onto the Amb page aswell. deleting wikipedia articles or meging them just because concerns about 'repetition or duplication' is not a major issue here. take care! Wikitanoli (talk) 17:10, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Wikitanoli I just left a note for you on the Amb state article and I believe that it would be good if we could please take a proper look at the issue of the duplicate artices, and their possible merger, seriously. I hope that we can discuss this calmly and with amicability please; as I feel that both repetition and /or duplication are in fact significant issues here, as the separate stub articles on the Nawabs of Amb seem to have nothing different to say than what has already been said on the main Amb state page/article. I also believe that as per Wikipedia guidelines, this is often the case for such mergers which seem a sensible alternative to me. There are other issues too, which I have taken up although am glad to say some recent improvements are manifest. I hope youll look at the various articles and conside viable options, regs39.54.160.190 (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Col (r) Mumtaz

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dear ~Come at me~ the scope of this deletion proposal covers biography of a living person; the Subedar in question died in 1961. Anyways'as I am the original author of this page; I would like to inform that all information obtained was for military service book; of the officer in question and there is no doubt of him being notable; other than serving in World Wars; he was the head of an Armed forces of a princely state; in pre Independence india. theres even a certificate abt his notability. sorry for the spelling and grammer erros; if any; its late in the night here, cheers Wikitanoli (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Information icon Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Tareen. Thank you. Bronze2018 (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear User talk:Bronze2018 this IP address(whose changes I have undone) (no login name) has been used to vandalise 2 pages in particular today, using abusive defamatory language on Nawabzada Salahuddin Saeed page and Nawab Aslam Raisani page. I was simply undoing all changes from this IP in a period of last couple of hours. If the user is honest and has valuable contribution I would never have undone changes made by the vandaliser; who has been up to the task of vandalsing these few pages time and again. Wikitanoli (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Only two of his edits could have been considered defamatory. This warrants reversions on those pages. I admit to having little background on the subject in question, but the other edits appeared legitimate, and thus do not warrant reversion except in cases that the included information is false. If you have determined that this is true, then feel free to revert to a prior version, and warn him about adding defamatory content. Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers Bronze2018 (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear User talk:Bronze2018 Thank you for your kind consideration. The 2 pages that I thought were added with outright defamatory changes I have mentioned, the others I had some knowledge about as well and had reverted them. I believe who ever is using this IP address is trouble maker and the other changes might be offensive too, for example Tareen page which he has related to Bangladesh somehow; which is another country 1000s of miles apart. If you feel my contention is right then kindly revert changes that I made by 'undoing' changes made by that IP address. Wikitanoli (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

It is very plausible that members of this tribe might have settled thousands of miles away, as by the 12th century shipbuilding technology was easily sophisticated enough in Southeast Asia to make such a trip. By the 17th century there are records of such trips being taken regularly. The article isn't about a region, it is about a tribe, and unlike land, families can make relatively fast transits of thousands of miles. I could go dredge up a peer-reviewed genealogical study I found which concluded that a group of 8 or 9 polynesians landed in South America several thousand years ago if you want. Bronze2018 (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear Bronze2018 I know it is a tribe and highly plausible that it can be as you mentioned. That is why I said those edits 'might' be made with intent of offending some one. Because of the other offensive edits. Thank you Wikitanoli (talk) 19:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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