User talk:Will Beback/archive30

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Problem IPs editing from Research in Motion ([edit]

Hi Will, I notice that you have recently tangled with prank edits by one of these editors,, and Two of these IPs and some others are attacking the John Amos article by repeatedly adding a paragraph describing an interview on the Howard Stern show. [1] The paragraph as written violates all of WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, and WP:SOURCE.

The Blackberry IPs have also been assisted by single-issue editors apparently based elsewhere: [2], [3], [4], [5].

Since these are all IPs, I don't know if it's appropriate to file a sockpuppet report. But looking at the edits coming in from, none seem to be constructive. I have tried to explain Wikipedia polices on the John Amos talk page, but they ignore the policy questions and accuse me of "elitist revisionism" or moralizing.

Could you give a suggestion on how to deal with this? betsythedevine (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Will, thanks so much for protecting John Amos. Could you extend that protection to Good Times? Yet another single-purpose IP has just added the material there. [6]. betsythedevine (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

To be fair[edit]

The should be reverted back to the way it was on May 31st. Jkp is deliberately holding up the mediation process against the wishes of everyone else involved in the mediation. It is he who started this current edit war and you are inadvertently rewarding his bad behavior,: Albion moonlight (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart articles[edit]

Thanks! I dropped out of Immaculate Heart High School (something I have in common with Heidi Fleiss) and I'm a fan of Corita's work, so I'm fascinated by the place and its history. Dreamyshade (talk) 08:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada listed at AFD[edit]

If you wish, please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada. Thanks! hike395 (talk) 04:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Mediation or 3rd opinion at Nirmala Srivastava[edit]

Would you be willing to mediate at Nirmala Srivastava? --Simon D M (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Or perhaps just offer a 3rd opinion? --Simon D M (talk) 09:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Prem Rawat Proposals[edit]

They're currently unreferenced, I need you to re-add the references to the proposals before they can be added to the article. Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 09:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Will[edit]

for your support but i am a vandal in fact i am a sock puppet.

Tom Tancredo[edit]

Sry, I will start using edit summaries. I will get in the habit of doing it. I am just cleaning up. The article has a lot of repetitive info or has sentences and paragraphs not in chronological order.

GordonUS (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Neo-Confederate page[edit]

Dear Will BeBack:

I am one of the editors of "Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction," University of Texas Press, to be released Dec. 1, 2008.

The University of Texas Press has a web page for the book at:

The page has the table of contents for the book and the Introduction to the book online.

I am thinking of rewriting the whole entry. It doesn't actually give much information about Neo-Confederacy. You have a section on "Neo-Confederate as perjorative" but nothing on their Celtic Identity or concepts regarding religion.

However, I don't have time to write something and then see it unwritten or deal with long arguments over neo-Confederate claims.

I am about to sign another book contract and I am working on an article and also generally doing my research. I get inquiries from reporters and others.

I am thinking of devoting about an hour a week over the coming months to clean up this entry and rewrite most of it.

Edward H. Sebesta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newtknight (talkcontribs) 21:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Mediation process[edit]

This: [7] needs to be vetted by the mediator, as agreed with him. Please undo. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You have another message on my talk page. I generally reply quite quickly, so if you haven't watchlisted it, now is probably a good time to do so. Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 06:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, do you have IRC by any chance? Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 21:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wonderful, that would be great. Jossi is on there too, as is Mael-Num. My nick is SteveCrossin, i'm in ##Steve .Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 22:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Currently discussing this, it's more to iron out some minor concerns and just discuss the content. Remember how I mentioned I might use alternate methods? Well, this is sort of one of them. Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 22:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Fight Dem Back[edit]

Thanks for your help, Will :) Schmoul Aschkenazi (talk) 19:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

-- Please see: . The vandal says:

Don't worry anarchist shit, I'll be ready when the article is unprotected. -- (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Lyndon Larouche[edit]

Of COURSE I object: the category -- like any other category regarding occupation -- should accurately reflect the importance in the subject's life. Larouche is NOT a significant or influential political writer by any stretch. --Calton | Talk 06:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

While we're on the topic of unjustified categories, Terrawatt seems to have burnt out on fighting the onslaught of British Intelligence on Wikipedia. John Nevard (talk) 17:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

FAIR Media Contact Info[edit]

The paragraph identifying FAIR's media director as the media contact for two organizations that were started by FAIR seems to be unnecessary detail. Currently, it is also incorrect in the case of one of the two organizations cited (CFAW). This level of detail is not necessary to get a better understanding of FAIR. Anyone interested in finding the YDSM media contact can go to its website. However, if your real point is that FAIR still provides material support for YDSM, then I would suggest revising to clarify. Also, the professional history of the media contact (Mehlman) seems really down in the weeds and is available on the FAIR website for anyone so interested. So you could boil this down to: "The media contact for You Don't Speak For Me is Ira Mehlman, who is also FAIR's media director." Ron (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll copy this to the article talk page for discussion. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 18:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The Late Late Show[edit]

Remind you of anyone?

IP4240207xx (talk) 21:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it should look like this, your edit. And relates to your edit here. Same pattern, same person. IP4240207xx (talk) 23:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Watson, I don't like to give everything away in the opening scene. IP4240207xx (talk) 00:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there a tool that can show you the top editors for a certain article? You go to the tool, put in the article, or talk page name, and up pops a list of top 20 contributors? IP4240207xx (talk) 01:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

You've been impersonated[edit]

See this edit. I responded with an immediate report at WP:AIV. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 03:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark Dice[edit]

Wow, talk about an embarrassing moment--I had no idea Dice was using Wikipedia to promote himself. Does he have any socks? If I'd known he'd had a history here, I'd have been a bit more wary about putting that in Michael Reagan. Blueboy96 14:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Kevin B. MacDonald[edit]

I believe his German ancestry is mentioned in a magazine article about him.

Am I tracked?[edit]

With all due respect, but I ask myself why you track my records and edit all edits I make, and why you 'follow up' on me? Have I been assigned the special to-be-tracked status because I edited some controversial ("antisemitism") articles which do not fit into the 'democratic leadership' of Wikipedia's personal views? I am all about transparency, and I do not like to be followed and useful things to be deleted (e.g. the letter of Coughlin) from an article, just because it does not fit the Administrator's views. With all due respect for wikipedia and your hard task, please do not become a mainstream view censor removing other opinions.Smith2006 (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your kind words. Ericoides (talk) 22:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

John Birch Society[edit]

I noticed you deleted the updates to the John Birch Society wiki page written by Publiusohio. The parts you deleted had correct citations and factual data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitacore (talkcontribs) 00:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

New American[edit]

If you thought the JBS article was bad, look at this one! Love the 'many of our articles' bit. AfD? Doug Weller (talk) 06:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, obvious copyvio. Didn't even list its current editor. I can't decide whether it should have its own article, but if it does, it needs to be NPOV, a concept not everyone understands. :-) Doug Weller (talk) 07:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

joining the ranks of the admins[edit]

Thanks for your participation in my successful RfA. When I posted that link to the seemingly ancient JJStroker AN/I it took me back to when we first crossed paths. Now I’m off to do some fixin'... Pinkville (talk) 00:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


Will, I know we don't see eye to eye on many, or most of the issues related to the List of groups referred to as cults, but at least we agree about Chado :). Anyway, since I grew increasingly annoyed with the pointy disruption of a certain editor on the talk page I did some digging in the archives, and I'm convinced, as you suggested yourself, that Chee is in fact Cairoi. Please have a look at User talk:Chee Chahko#User:Cairoi. My instincts also say that more is going on here than simply Chee = Cairoi, but for now what can be done about this obvious connection?PelleSmith (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Involuntary celibacy[edit]

It seems Law Lord reverted your deletion of the "Unwanted results" section. Just great, now we really have an edit war :-/. LeonMT (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Pronoun Problem[edit]

You have been recently active on the WP:V talk page. Please visit this discussion on WP:VPP and contribute comments if you want to. Thank you. (talk) 01:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Trib Total Media move[edit]

I posted this under my message page, too, not realizing you'd never know it was there.

The company is the largest media company in Western Pennsylvania with seven daily papers, 14 weeklies, five magazines, many Web sites and more. The move signifies the company's rebranding efforts under the Trib Total Media name to reflect all of its products as one item. Given the company's attempt at creating one branding source, there wouldn't be enough content to warrant a page for each of its publications. In recent years, everything has fallen under the Trib Total Media name when referencing anything related to the newspaper company. I think it's a unique situation, unlike other regional newspaper publishing companies. --Write On 1983 (talk) 04:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


Interesting this one didn't get spotted. It really is a bad idea to have 'anyone' editing encylopedias. Peter Damian (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

"take appropriate permanent action"[edit]

If you have any suggestions on what "take appropriate permanent action" may entail I'd be happy to hear it. Until fingerprints are required for editng I don't see any "permanent" solution to sockpuppetry. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"Permanent" referred to blocking the IP address, not the person. My primary concern is... are we right? Is this user really Ericsaindon2, or is it someone who just made a horribly coincidental mistake? I'm sure you have more tools than I do to verify this, however if you're not 100% confident then I'd like to urge leniency on the basis that 1) we will easily be able to monitor edits coming from this IP address following the lifting of the block, and 2) it's a relatively simple matter to enact a permanent block against the IP address if the behavior persists.  X  S  G  17:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, saying you're highly certain is enough for me. "Certain" implies 100% confidence, so the issue is over from my perspective, and thank goodness because he sure is a pain in the butt.  X  S  G  17:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
If blocking an IP would make him go away, he'd have been gone long ago. I think we've blocked about 70 IPs. See Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Ericsaindon2. When I see an IP being used to evade a block I usually just block it for 3 days. The only times I've given long blocks (a month or longer) for evasion/sockpuppetry is when the IP appears to be fixed. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 17:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Understood. What about permanently restricting edit access to the articles in question only to editors with accounts older than three days? It seems like Eric has some sort of vested interest only in a few articles...  X  S  G  17:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Abuse of Your Trust[edit]

Will, I just wanted to apologize to you personally for abusing your trust. Read my comments here. Please carry on with some of the good things I tried to do. Once again, I am sorry. (talk) 01:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

repeat in Mugabe article[edit]

Hi there, just to signal that there's a repeat in Robert Mugabe article that I'd rather not touch seeing that it needs adjustments in the text. As u've bn doing some editing of the same order even today, best signal it to you? Thanks. Basicdesign (talk) 19:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

  • pfff... First, thanks for saying about the points before the refs. Was told off a-while back for doing it, confusing. Would like to be sure... Secondly, I'm really sorry, getting lost in these edits. I can't see what's disappeared or got changed can't even reverse to before my first edit b/c others've been doing things on it, and I don't have enough free time that often either... prefer to abstain, with my apologies :-(Basicdesign (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

List of cults[edit]

How does G7 not apply? See this link where the creator of the redirect requested for it to be deleted. Cunard (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Orangemarlin RFAR[edit]

Per ruling of the arbcom here: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Orangemarlin#Arbitrator_views_and_discussion an RFAR on Orangemarlin has been opend here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Orangemarlin. You are invited to submit your evidence and statements.. RlevseTalk 16:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ron and Fez[edit]

I was curious as to why you removed the "Stunts and Bets" section from the Ron and Fez article. It was fun, informative, and accurate. Everything on there was cited, true, and had happened on the show. I do not believe it is enough to edit something just because you did not like it. I did not see anything that violated wikipedia rules either. Feel free to answer me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)