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Watsonlibrary, good luck, and have fun. --Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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August 2012[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Watsonlibrary", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because Shared / organizational accounts are not permitted - see Wikipedia:Username_policy#Usernames_implying_shared_use. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. JohnInDC (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Your attention needed at WP:CHU[edit]

Hello. A bureaucrat or clerk has responded to your username change request, but requires clarification before moving forward. Please follow up at your username change request entry as soon as possible. Thank you. NTox · talk 00:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

What external links should be added[edit]

You may have noticed that I have reverted some of the external links you have added. Your links range from the highly useful to the barely useful at all. I will try to explain how I distinguish between them:

  • Highly useful: Links to digitized modern MMA exhibition catalogues with plenty of long texts and pictures. Examples are the Indian Court Painting (very useful indeed, as there is relatively little online on these) and the Gentileschis catalogue.
  • Useful: Links to various catalogues from commercial galleries such as Knoedler's (mostly nearly a hundred years old) of American artists of that period, especially the less well-known, and (even more so perhaps) of the collections of specific collectors of the day.
  • Not useful: Similar collections of aged exhibition commercial exhibition catalogues of Old Master or non-American artists, with little text and few images. These are too obscure for a general encyclopedia, especially where the artists are big names with much material online and in print.

You appear to come from inside the MMA organization, and so have a conflict of interest when editing to add MMA links. I don't know if you've seen this page designed for museum & library employees editing from their institution. I would suggest you make yourself known to someone on this page who can help advise on future edits, or I can do so myself. I would recommend saying what links you'd like to make to such a person first, and see what they say. I will link to this post to a couple of people. You might look at User:VAwebteam and User:VAwebteam/archive where we had a similar arrangement with someone at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London. Johnbod (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE from WilliamDigiCol: Thanks so much for your input on what is and is not useful. Also thank you for pointing out the conflict of interest. We would very much enjoy connecting our digital content with relevant Wikipedia entries, and it would be great if you (or someone else) might be willing to work with us on future edits. I have looked over the VAwebteam profile and it looks like they're trying to do something similar to us. Please let me know what we need to do in order to work out some sort of arrangement. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

I emailed David, who I'm glad to see has responded below. The important thing when a COI exists is manage it by being transparent, and keep in touch with established editors who can help with what is appropriate & what's not. That way you should be protected from people coming along & over-reacting, as some might do. I'll let the NY team take it from here (I'm in London), but I'm always available if needed for anything. You should be in good hands with these two, but don't hesitate to get in touch if you need anything (any of you). I think I've reviewed nearly all your edits to date, using the principles outlined above, but I'll run over them again. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts can be useful for help also - or the Libraries Wikiproject; I think the Museums one is somewhat moribund. The V&A method of initially setting up a sub-page here to suggest link locations & have them commented on worked very well, though User:VAwebteam is not active here these days. Best of luck with your editing, Johnbod (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again for your assistance Johnbod. I will set up the sub-page soon, and I am planning to speak with David tomorrow. Since I actually work within the library in the Museum, I think the Libraries Wikiproject will be more useful anyway, so again, thanks. WilliamDigiCol (talk)
Ok, you just type the name like "User:WilliamDigiCol/Subpage name" and hit the redlink this will create to get started. Btw, I would put something on your user page User:WilliamDigiCol to turn the link blue (looks more respectable), and to declare you work at MMA. Johnbod (talk) 15:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcome from NYC[edit]

Hi--I'm David Goodman, a Wikipedia administrator and one of the NYC people involved in related projects--in fact, I'm Wikipedian in Residence at the New York Public Library of the Performing Arts. I've also left a note for Richard, whose Wikipedia name is Pharos, who is probably the most involved of any of us in NYC.

We would be delighted to work with you at any level you want--from a talk on the phone, to visits, to finding someone with appropriate background to be there regularly as a Wikipedian in Residence, and we'd also be very eager to run in cooperation with you occasional or regular workshops at the museum for Wikipedia editors to add material about major works in the museum, as we've done elsewhere.

I've emailed you, at the email address you gave when you registered here. Just reply, and we can get things started DGG ( talk ) 20:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcome from California[edit]

Hello, delighted to have you with us. Drop me a note if you have any questions about placement or use of textile and fashion images in Wikipedia. There are tons of things in your collection that we would dearly love to have images of... (the bizarre silk mantua, for one). Thanks for your contributions. - PKM (talk) 01:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about things in our Digital Collections from the Metropolitan Museum of Art Libraries? If so, we would be delighted to contribute images from this. I cannot speak for the Museum's images, however. I can only provide things from our Digital Collections. So if there are specific things from this collection you think might be useful, please let me know and we can work together to make them available. We have lots of old fashion plates that we would like to make available in places like History of Western Fashion, and right now it's just a matter of organizing them in a way that would be most useful to Wikipedia users. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks. WilliamDigiCol (talk)
Deal! It would be fabulous to arrange a bulk upload of the fashion plates to Wikimedia Commons; bulk upload with automatic metadata scripting and such is beyond my personal technical skills, but I am happy to help with categorization and use of the images (and of course we can use individual images wherever they are needed in the meantime). Many of the articles in History of Western Fashion are adequately illustrated, but some are not, and there is room for endless articles on individual garments. The main article on Fashion plate has been on my list to update for ages. (My to-do list, alas, is much more ambitious than my free time will support.) The folks in NY mentioned above can probably find someone to help with this.
On another note, if a photo of a garment in the MMA collection appears in one of the books in your digital collection, does your license allow us to upload that photo freely? I haven't had a chance to check your licenses and terms & conditions. All in good time, I suppose. If we're not careful we'll find too many fun things to do - best to do a few well and then tackle more. - PKM (talk) 03:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I will definitely get back to you about the bulk upload. I will need to talk with some people before I can say anything about that. As for the photo of a garment, it would depend on which item in our collection it comes from. Some are in the public domain, but others are not, so I would need to know which item specifically. Thanks for your interest and enthusiasm! WilliamDigiCol (talk)

From Queen to Empress[edit]

The articles 1830s in fashion, 1840s in fashion, 1850s in fashion, 1860s in fashion and 1870s in fashion all cite the print edition of From Queen to Empress. You might want to add the link to the digital version. - PKM (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - I was not able to find a digital version of From Queen to Empress in our collection however. Did you find it in our collection? WilliamDigiCol (talk) 22 October 2012
yes, at http://libmma.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15324coll10/id/69547. I'll add the link. - PKM (talk) 04:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Where we're at[edit]

Hi, I'm thinking of doing a post to one or more of our mailing lists for people interested in WP:GLAM issues, as I think this has been an excellent initiative, worthy of a case study etc. I'm not sure how many people are aware of it. I hope you'd have no objection -let me know if you do. I will send a draft before putting anything out, and it would be useful if you could add a quick comment on how it's worked from your POV, especially to a case study. Some points:

  • Is there a page at MMA explaining the policy & progress of making your stuff available online? For example, there's presumably some cut-off date for recent catalogues which are held back. Are your suggestions just newly made available online, or are you working your way through a load of stuff that's been up a while? If there is any internal report you've done & are willing to share by email, that would be very useful - we can discuss how I use it. I have user email enabled (menu at left on my user page).
  • I'd reiterate my recommendation to tweak the wording of your links to make it clear that there is a full PDF available online. Most of our thousands of similar-looking links just go to google books information pages or at best previews, information pages on exhibitions and the like, & unless it's made clear readers won't I think expect to find a full-text PDF. Rather than, for example, recently at Marcello Venusti:
    • External links

-I'd say something like:

  • It's best to sign your talk posts with 4 tildes (~), which dates them as well as giving your name.

Johnbod (talk) 15:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello John. I'd be very interested in contributing my POV to anything you're thinking about sending out. It has been a very successful initiative in terms of generating traffic to our digital collections, and I would be happy to share some details about that, as well as the experience of getting to know and use Wikipedia. I will get back to you regarding our policies - I need to run it by a few people first. In order to do so, would you mind telling me a bit more about what exactly you had in mind? In particular, what exactly do you mean by a "case study?" If I can be more specific about what exactly this might entail it will make it easier for me to seek approval. Finally, thanks for letting me know how to sign off by using the tildes - I've been wondering how that was done for some time. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 18:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
This page and especially this sub-page here would be the sort of thing, though I'd be thinking of something a good deal shorter, if only from lazyness. To join this full list. Of course we are on a much smaller scale than most of these, but I think still worth recording. The MMA's making all its older catalogues available is certainly something we can encourage other museums to do. Johnbod (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for sending these pages over - it helps to clarify a lot. I am going to talk with a supervisor about this later in the week and then I'll get back to you. Until then, I'll put up a few more things for your approval - thanks. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Our "case study" would go comfortably on a single sheet of paper, I'd think. There's only so much to say. By the way, do you have any equivalent material in languages other than English? I should be able arrange local editors from the local WP to do the work if any of the catalogues had a 2nd language edition, or are dual-text. Johnbod (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I figured the case study wouldn't be too long. As for the MMA publications, they are all English language only publications. There is quite a bit of material in our Digital Collections that is foreign language (there's a lot of French and Russian material, for instance), but none of the catalogs. There may be one or two that are an exception, and if I come across one I will let you know. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
How are we getting on with this? Johnbod (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I've spoken with my supervisor about the possibility but I'm still waiting to hear back from him - I'll let you know as soon as I know more (which should hopefully be soon!). WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Good news - we can go forward with the case study! Let me know what you will need from me in order to move forward. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Requests[edit]

I've been browsing your offerings & thought I'd list here a few that seemed especially attractive (personal choices of course). I've mostly ignored American art, but lots of that could go up:

  • A king's book of kings : the Shah-nameh of Shah Tahmasp, b1040095 1 - that would get an article eventually.
  • Al-Andalus : the art of Islamic Spain / edited by Jerrilynn D. Dodds, 1992
  • Along the ancient silk routes : Central Asian art from the West Berlin State Museums
  • Art and oracle : African art and rituals of divination / Alisa LaGamma with an essay by John Pemberton III
  • Art of Oceania, Africa, and the Americas from the Museum of Primitive Art
  • Art of the Bronze Age : southeastern Iran, western Central Asia, and the Indus Valley / Holly Pittman ; with comments on style and iconography by Edith Porada
  • Art of the Dogon : selections from the Lester Wunderman collection / by Kate Ezra
  • Arts of Korea / contributors by Chung Yang-mo, Ahn Hwi-joon, Yi Song-mi, Kim Lena, Kim Hongnam, Pak Youngsook, Jonathan W. Best ; coordinating editor, Judith G. Smith, 1998
  • Asia / the Metropolitan Museum of Art ; introduction by Richard M. Barnhart
  • Assyrian reliefs and ivories in the Metropolitan Museum of Art : palace reliefs of Assurnasirpal II and ivory carvings from Nimrud / Vaughn E. Crawford, Prudence O. Harper, Holly Pittman
  • Byzantium : faith and power (1261-1557) / edited by Helen C. Evans - Cambrai Madonna etc
  • China : dawn of a golden age, 200-750 AD / James C.Y. Watt, An Jiayao, Angela F. Howard, Boris I. Marshak, Su Bai, Zhao Feng: with contributions by Prudence O. Harper, Maxwell K. Hearn, Denise Patry Leidy, Chao-Hui Jenny Liu, Valentina Raspopova
  • Cultivated landscapes : Chinese paintings from the Collection of Marie-Hélène and Guy Weill / Maxwell K. Hearn
  • Daumier drawings / by Colta Ives, Margaret Stuffmann, and Martin Sonnabend, with contributions by Klaus Herding and Judith Wechsler, 1993
  • Dutch and Flemish paintings from the Hermitage
  • Eighteenth-century Italian porcelain / Clare Le
  • Europe in the age of enlightenment and revolution / the Metropolitan Museum of Art ; introduction by J. Patrice Marandel
  • European sculpture and metalwork / Frits Scholten
  • European terracottas from the Arthur M. Sackler collections : exhibition held at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Mar.21 - Sept. 6, 1981 / text by James David Draper
  • European textiles / Christa C. Mayer Thurman
  • Fifteenth- to eighteenth-century European paintings : France, Central Europe, the Netherlands, Spain, and Great Britain / Charles Sterling, Maryan W. Ainsworth, Charles Talbot, Martha Wolff, Egbert Haverkamp-Begemann, Jonathan Brown, John Hayes
  • Firearms from the collections of the Prince of Liechtenstein / by Stuart W. Pyhrr ; photographs by Walter Wachter
  • Flemish paintings in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. [Volume] 1 : catalogue / Walter A. Liedtke - 2 vols
  • For spirits and kings : African art from the Paul and Ruth Tishman collection / edited by Susan Vogel ; translations and additional research by Kate Ezra ; photographs by Jerry L. Thompson
  • Glass of the sultans / Stefano Carboni and David Whitehouse ; with contributions by Robert H. Brill and William Gudenrath
  • Guide to the collections : ancient Near Eastern art / by Vaughn Emerson Crawford, Prudence Oliver Harper, Oscar White Muscarella, Beatrice Elizabeth Bodenstein
  • Hatshepsut : from Queen to Pharaoh / edited by Catharine H. Roehrig with Renée Dreyfus and Cathleen A. Keller
  • History of Russian costume from the eleventh to the twentieth century : from the collections of the Arsenal Museum, Leningrad ; Hermitage, Leningrad ; Historical Museum, Moscow ; Kremlin Museums, Moscow ; Pavlovsk Museum / [catalogue compiled by...
  • India : art and culture, 1300-1900 / Stuart Cary Welch
  • Islamic art in the Metropolitan Museum of Art : the historical context / Linda Komaroff
  • Landscapes clear and radiant : the art of Wang Hui (1632-1717) / Wen C. Fong, Chin-Sung Chang, and Maxwell K. Hearn ; edited by Maxwell K. Hearn
  • Liechtenstein, the princely collections : the collections of the Prince of Liechtenstein
  • Masterpieces of the Metropolitan Museum of Art / introduction by Philippe de Montebello ; edited by Barbara Burn (for MMA)
  • Migration art, A.D. 300-800 / Katharine Reynolds Brown, 1995
  • Momoyama, Japanese art in the age of grandeur : [catalogue of] an exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art organized in collaboration with the Agency for Cultural Affairs of the Japanese Government
  • Netsuke : masterpieces from the Metropolitan Museum of Art / Barbra Teri Okada
  • Painters of reality : the legacy of Leonardo and Caravaggio in Lombardy / edited by Andrea Bayer ; with contributions by Andrea Bayer, Mina Gregori, Martin Kemp, Linda Wolk-Simon, Enrico de Pascale, Giulio Bora, Mario Marubbi, Keith Christiansen,... - useful for lots of more obscure figures I imagine
  • Painting in Renaissance Siena : 1420-1500 / Keith Christiansen, Laurence B. Kanter, Carl Brandon Strehlke - likewise
  • Persian drawings in the Metropolitan Museum of Art / Marie Lukens Swietochowski, Sussan Babaie
  • Prints & people : a social history of printed pictures / A. Hyatt Mayor - great book!
  • Raphael at the Metropolitan : the Colonna altarpiece / Linda Wolk-Simon
  • Royal art of Benin : the Perls collection / Kate Ezra
  • Sacred visions : early paintings from central Tibet / Steven M. Kossak, Jane Casey Singer ; with an essay by Robert Bruce-Gardner
  • Splendid isolation : art of Easter Island / by Eric Kjellgren with contributions by Jo Anne Van Tilburg and Adrienne L. Kaeppler
  • Studio glass in The Metropolitan Museum of Art / [introduction by Jane Adlin]
  • Summer mountains : the timeless landscape / Wen Fong
  • Textiles of late antiquity : [exhibition ... December 14, 1995, to April 7, 1996] / essay by Annemarie Stauffer ; entries by Marsha Hill, Helen Evans, and Daniel Walker, 1995
  • The Art of medieval Spain, A.D. 500-1200
  • The Cloisters Cross : its art and meaning / Elizabeth C. Parker & Charles T. Little - ok I added this there
  • The great bronze age of China : an exhibition from the People's Republic of China / edited by Wen Fong ; introductory essays by Ma Chengyuan, Wen Fong, Kwang-chih Chang, Robert L. Thorp ; catalogue by Robert W. Bagley, Jenny F. So, Maxwell K. Hearn
  • The Manchu dragon : costumes of the Ch'ing dynasty, 1644-1912 / Jean Mailey ; accompanying the exhibition The Manchu dragon : costumes of China - the Ch'ing dynasty December 16, 1980 - August 30, 1981
  • The Milkmaid by Johannes Vermeer / Walter Liedtke
  • The Renaissance in the North / the Metropolitan Museum of Art ; introduction by James Snyder
  • The royal women of Amarna : images of beauty from ancient Egypt / Dorothea Arnold with contributions by James P. Allen and L. Green
  • The scepter of Egypt : a background for the study of the Egyptian antiquities in The Metropolitan Museum of Art : Part 1. From the earliest times to the end of the Middle Kingdom / by William C. Hayes +the next part
  • The sculpture of Black Africa : Nigeria and Cameroon
  • The Treasury of San Marco, Venice : the Metropolitan Museum of Art
  • The unicorn tapestries at the Metropolitan Museum of Art / Adolfo Salvatore Cavallo - I added to The Hunt of the Unicorn
  • The wild man : medieval myth and symbolism / Timothy Husband, with the assistance of Gloria Gilmore-House
  • The Year 1200 : [volume] 1 : a centennial exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, February 12 through May 10, 1970 / catalogue written and edited by K. Hoffmann
  • The year one : art of the ancient world east and west / edited by Elizabeth J. Milleker
  • Treasures of early Irish art, 1500 B.C. to 1500 A.D. : from the collections of the National Museum of Ireland, Royal Irish Academy, Trinity College, Dublin / exhibited at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco, M.H.... - could go to about 25 articles
  • Umberto Boccioni / Ester Coen
  • Velázquez / Antonio Domínguez Ortíz, Alfonso E. Pérez Sánchez, Julían Gállego
  • When silk was gold : Central Asian and Chinese textiles / James C.Y. Watt, Anne E. Wardwell ; with an essay by Morris Rossabi
  • Zurbarán / Jeannine Baticle ; with essays by Yves Bottineau, Jonathan Brown, Alfonso E. Pérez Sánchez

Phew! Not all of these would go to many articles maybe, & I have concentrated on areas where WP coverage is poor (not always) & the web generally has relatively little. With 1050 items now it would make for much easier browsing if listings pages by broad subject (Continents, Costume, Glass, Furniture, 19th century etc) could be set up ... Not many people will browse through to poor old Zurbarán! Amazing stuff available though. Johnbod (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Another approach would be to take the 80-strong Category:Collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and add links to the latest collection catalogue covering it, or exhibition catalogues they've been in. If you're short of things to do, that is! Johnbod (talk) 22:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks John - this is incredibly useful. I've been out of town for a while and haven't been too active here, but I should have some time soon to go over this material and start linking to it. I do have one question: what exactly do you mean by "With 1050 items now it would make for much easier browsing if listings pages by broad subject (Continents, Costume, Glass, Furniture, 19th century etc) could be set up ... Not many people will browse through to poor old Zurbarán!"? Could you clarify this for me. Are you saying that I should be linking to more to subject pages than to individuals (like Zurbarán)? Let me know, and as always, thanks for your suggestions. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:17, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I was just talking about how you arrange the MMA site, commenting as a user. I just mean that those wanting to browse the material available get sent to http://libmma.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/p15324coll10 which lists all 1050 items in alphabetical order. It would be much easier if there was also the option of going to listings by broad categories by geography and period and maybe other criteria such as sculpture/painting/"decorative" arts. Lists by museum curatorial department would work well for many exhibitions, but I suppose not all. These would have shorter lists. Having done it, I can say that going through all 1050 items requires a certain commitment and persistence, that most web users notoriously lack. Johnbod (talk) 14:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
That's a great idea - I will certainly bring it up at our next digitization meeting. Thanks John. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
The Glory of Byzantium is certainly available as a PDF, but doesn't seem to be on your list. We have many articles on objects in it. Johnbod (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Yeah that is one that I will get to soon - thanks for pointing it out. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Velazquez[edit]

The article that you added to the Maids of Honour links to a catalogue on Degas. There was nothing in the Contents that linked to Velazquez. I used the search, and it found some references (hardly surprising since his influence on Degas is clear) however, I could not work out how to navigate the article from that point, let alone find relevant material. Is a discussion of the work that is written for the specific purpose of giving background to Degas useful in the general context? Amandajm (talk) 07:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Las Meninas - was that a mistake? I can't see it on the list for Degas. Johnbod (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the "...60673/rec/6" ref goes to the Degas Catalogue. Please correct when you're in. Johnbod (talk) 11:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I apologize - I'll insert the link to the Velazquez catalog. Again, I apologize for that. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
All links to the Degas catalog have been corrected and now link to the Velazquez catalog. I apologize for that. And thank you for pointing it out, Amandajm.WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Late Antiquity again[edit]

You'll see I have given the article links and cat numbers for everything that should be added now - there's a lot but most of these won't have as good info ionline any other way. Johnbod (talk) 00:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Looks great - thanks for doing that. I'll put them up later today. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Well done! I realized while finding the articles the extent to which (I'm sure) the selection of at least the manuscript articles we have on WP was actually influenced (I'm sure) by this catalogue, mediated by popularizing works like the Taschen one used by our editors. Hence so many correspondences. Johnbod (talk) 20:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
That's great! And thanks for all your work on finding the articles to link to - it helped tremendously. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Btw, I started Gold glass, which uses the catalogue a lot, also other MMA resources. Johnbod (talk) 19:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Case study[edit]

Hi - I decided to start with a quick wiki case-study, which is here: [1]. Pretty short. Any comments, quotes from you etc very welcome. Please feel free to add (also a picture maybe). Can I use your real name? Then we can boil an agreed version down to the 250 words for the other one. Johnbod (talk) 22:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi John. I have made some edits (added some figures, included a bit more about the Digital Collections as a whole, as well as the specifics of MMA pubs. For some reason it is not allowing me to edit the Case Study "page," so I copy and pasted my edit into the "discussion" (where it did allow me to save it). Perhaps you can move it over to the page - I'm not quite sure why it's not allowing me to do it - do I lack certain permissions? I can add more comments if you think they're necessary, or I can save them for the article. I could, for instance, talk a bit more about why we wanted to do this, what we've gotten out of it, etc etc. Just let me know. Also, it is fine if you use my real name. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - added to the page (just the first 2 paras were changed, yes?). Yes, please add anything else - remember the other one is 250 words only, so we might include a "see more" link to the longer version here, where there's no limit at all. Not sure why you can't edit it - there is a thing called Unified login which you might need to do - not too difficult. It's a different wiki with different rules. Johnbod (talk) 14:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Indiscriminate adding of links-see WP:LINKFARM[edit]

Why are you adding indiscriminate links from articles? While I agree you are part of a worthwhile project, adding links to your project contravenes WP:LINKFARM. You recently added one into the references section of Pre-Columbian erahere, when this work is not used as a reference for this article. Please stop. Heiro 17:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I apologize. I meant to add it to the "further reading" section, which I mistook the "bibliography" section to be. It was not an "indiscriminate" addition, however, but one that I had discussed with Johnbod and which we felt would be appropriate.. If you don't think this work would be appropriate for this page, though, I will not include it. Thanks for your feedback. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 17:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
The links are very far from indiscriminate, and are proposed and considered at User:WilliamDigiCol/Archive (where anyone is welcome to contribute comments). Obviously, in this case it should have gone into the FR or EL sections, not "bibliography" in the sense of references (a confusing use of the term, which I think is best avoided for this reason). Johnbod (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Photos of Lace or early woven cloth[edit]

Hi William and Johnbod, thanks for all the interesting links. I for one have been enjoying them. I am currently trying to find suitable images for an article about lace and an article about damask (actually Dutch damast). Any chance your collection has some photos under a free license? The ones I have are all very blurry and gray (yes it is VERY hard to photograph this stuff). Thanks! Jane (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

All this stuff remains under copyright in the usual way. You'd think there were some around, but I don't know where. Or use paintings as a fall-back! Johnbod (talk) 20:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for looking! I thought I would ask here because of this on the website of the Met. Jane (talk) 01:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it's time[edit]

to start a new working page, as the old one is so big. Would you like me to do it? Johnbod (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, done. For some reason the new pages still show red on your user page though the links work, which should sort itself out soon, or I will fix it. Please add new stuff to User:WilliamDigiCol/Working page 2014. Hope this is ok - if you see any mistakes, please let me know. Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks John. As with all else you've helped out with, this is very much appreciated. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 19:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Hello. My name is Lane. Have we met? As I hope you know, there are a lot of Wikipedia contributors in NYC and we have at least one public meetup every month and talk to each other about Wikipedia a lot beyond that. Have you ever visited one of our meetups?

Would you consider joining us at our upcoming national Wikipedia conference in lower Manhattan, Wikiconference USA? If you would like to present or showcase your work at the Met there, then I am sure everyone would enjoy whatever you had to share. Beyond that, if you ever want community support for anything you do, I think we all would love to explore the Met's online resources if someone would give us a tour of them. Thanks for your attention and for doing what you do. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I would absolutely be interested in joining you at the Wikipedia conference. Let me know what I need to put together to make that happen. Glad to hear from the NYC community out there, and I'd really enjoy getting more involved, so please keep me posted with what's going on. Looking forward to discussing further. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay! We have a submission page with instructions. Do not worry too much if the form does not match what you would like to do - just make your proposal as you imagine it and we will make it work. Your presentation should be relevant to Wikipedia, but considering the audience and your institution, I would expect people to be interested in whatever you might have to say about contemporary museum curation, archiving, cataloging, or any other museum practices which we are trying to emulate as volunteers in Wikipedia. Email me anytime if you have questions because we organizers want to make all presenters look good! Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I've written up a draft of a submission proposal and would love to get your feedback. Email me and we can discuss further. Thanks in advance for your help. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 19:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I submitted my proposal earlier today - let me know if you would like to take a look. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech troubles & talk[edit]

I can't get the printing workaround to go either. I suggest we go with what's ok & revist after the new software update. Good luck with the conference - it had the highest sign-up of any talk I looked at on the program (ok not many but I don't think most have looked). Johnbod (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

That's strange that the print work around didn't work - what browser are you using? I use Chrome and have to let the "print" load for about a minute, then it allows you to save it. If you'd like, I can also send you a PDF. But I'm planning on holding off on the linking until the bug has been fixed and people can actually download this stuff. I'm excited about the WikiConference too - should be fun. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Firefox - I'm sure I let it try for longer than a minute. I'll try later; don't worry about sending PDFs. Break a leg, or whatever! Johnbod (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Heilbrunn timeline on MET website[edit]

Hello, I have been working on Wikipedia on a list of artists with works in the collection of the MET. I edit mostly on 17th-century Dutch art and have recently stepped outside my comfort zone to help with "curating the world's art". I noticed that the Heilbrunn timeline is largely incomplete and specifically, I found that the Baroque trumpet on the Heilbrunn timeline part of the website is incorrectly attributed. The item reads as follows: Natural Trumpet, late 17th century Johann Wilhelm Haas (Swiss, 1698–1764) Nürnberg, Germany Brass; L. w/o crook and mouthpiece: 25 3/4 in. (65.3 cm) The Crosby Brown Collection of Musical Instruments, 1889 (89.4.2375) http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/89.4.2375 Note the inconsistency between "Nuremberg, late 17th century" and "Swiss, 1698-1764". For more information on the correct Johann Wilhelm Haas (German, 1649-1723), see the article stub I wrote here: Johann Wilhelm Haas. That the Haas family continued to produce trumpets after Haas the elder died is undisputed, but I could not find evidence that any one of them moved from Nuremberg to the type foundry in Switzerland, or that the Swiss location produced trumpets of any kind. I sent the above remarks in an email to the webmaster, but perhaps you could forward to the correct departments (Heilbrunn timeline and Crosby Brown collection). Thx, Jane (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this - the Library actually isn't involved with creating or maintaining the Timeline, but I will pass this on to the relevant department. Thanks again for your feedback on this! WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
OK Thanks! Jane (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Page Historian[edit]

Hi WilliamDigiCol, I am an editor for the Embryo Project encyclopedia and I read a little bit about the GLAM/Case studies, We are looking to do a similar collaboration and contribute external links, and someone suggested we talk to you, (here is our proposal page [2]. Could you possible give me any tips for how to get started in this process? Thank you, and sorry for my ill form, I am not yet used to Wikipedia and I didn't even know where to post this. Page Historian (talk) 21:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry I'm having trouble locating your proposal. I'm not sure the Village Pump is the right place for such a thing. I would be happy to discuss what you had in mind though. WilliamDigiCol (talk) 13:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Art Jewelry Forum[edit]

Hello, I am working on a pet project to help digitize information about the field of metalsmithing+jewelry. I started with making a page for Art jewelry forum (AJF), and have a list of artists that I would like to make pages for as well. The AJF page has been nominated for deletion because it is questioned if the organization is "notable". I am reaching out to you because I saw that you edited some pages that relate to studio craft, and thought you may have an informed opinion (unlike the mathematician who nominated the page for deletion) about whether or not it is a "notable organization". If you have an opinion, one way or another, please way in on the articles for deletion discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_jewelry_forumClarefinin (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Latest batch of edits from User:Csldigicol[edit]

Hi William, I would strongly recommend reining in your intern a bit: User:Csldigicol. They have been on the verge of WP:SPAM linking armor pages with External links to a digitized armor book. This is not an appropriate use of the External link Section. If you didn't know, we have some advice for Cultural professionals who are interested in link work at WP:TWL/CP. Also, it looks like the student is a graduate assistant. I would recommend sending graduate assistants through the program described at WP:TWL/I. I would be happy to help you think about setting up a cohort, Sadads (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting us, Sadads. User:Csldigicol has gone through the armor links and either altered them to further reading (when relevant) or else deleted them altogether (if the catalog was simply not relevant enough). I will definitely look into WP:TWL/I - thank you for your useful suggestions. Much appreciated! WilliamDigiCol (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2015 (UTC)