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How can I contribute to Wikipedia, without getting anything deleted? Historian5920 (talk) 03:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@Historian5920: Hello, the best way to start is to read all of those links that Eman235 included on your talk page in their "welcome" message. They will get you familiarized with Wikipedia guidelines. Your edits are being reverted because they are either bad English (incomplete sentences, irrelevant information, etc.), unsourced (all additions to Wikipedia must be supported by reliable third party sources), or not in accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Also, editing here is done by consensus (see Bold, Revert, Discuss), if you are reverted, don't reinstate the problematic edits. Instead, take it to the article's talk page and discuss the edits you wish to make with other editors until a consensus is achieved.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Wiki page[edit]

Is this article typed correctly? Historian5920 (talk) 05:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Khmer language[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Khmer language you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Maunus -- Maunus (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I have reviewed the article, and it requires some work to pass, so I have put it on hold. Please let me know if you plan to address my concerns so we can set a time frame, or if you would rather let it fail so you can work on it without a deadline.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 01:43, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Maunus: First off, thank you for your time and effort in reviewing the article.
  1. Sourcing should not be an issue, I have access to plenty of sources and can address those concerns rather quickly.
  2. As for a grammar section, I completely agree with your assessment. I already have a broad outline of how to improve it in my head. It's hard to say for sure (because of my "real life" schedule), but getting it implemented with sources and examples and adequately c/e'd would probably take me anywhere from a few days to a week.
  3. You mentioned the phonology section might be overly detailed. Was that just an observation or do you recommend it be pared down?
  4. When the work is done, I'll take a look at the lead.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, sounds excellent. Overall I really like the article, and I think GA is within reach, so I am happy you want to make the effort. I dont generally do deadlines, I think a GA takes the time it takes, but often the other reviewers get anxious after about a month. So if you can fix it within the next month that will be great. Also I am happy to participate with advice or sources during the review, and if we disagree on anything specific I dont consider my preferences to overrule yours just because I am the reviewer - so let me know if you object to any of my concerns. You might want to look at the grammar section of English, also a fairly analytical language, to see how we tackled the grammar section there to include syntax on equal footing with morphology. I dont think it is a requirement to cut the phonology section, but it might be the easiest way to get rid of all of the citation needed tags - and the uncited content can be split to another article. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 03:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Your expansions look really good, and I like the inclusion of many sentence examples. I would advise however to find a better way of formatting the examples graphically setting apart the script, the phonemic representation and the translation (probably on different lines) - and I think you should add a morphological gloss for each example following the Leipzig glossing rules. This may mean that you will need to have fewer examples since each example will take up more space. You can take a look at how other language GA articles handle the examples.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 03:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Maunus: Thanks. I'm working on an overview of clause syntax right now that should be finished tonight, then I was hoping it would be ready for you to review again. Thanks, by the way, for recommending the Haiman book. I wasn't aware of that one but his data is exhaustive (and, at times exhausting, it took me a while to get through it), although, as he predicted in the forward, a few of his conclusions are iffy.

As you note, I am indeed struggling with formatting the examples. I'm not satisfied with the current method either; I experimented with tables but that resulted in way too many small tables. The language not being written in a Latin alphabet adds a degree of complexity to it. In addition to English language, I've been looking at the GAs Mongolian language and Biblical Hebrew (the latter has hardly any example sentences). The Mongolian article doesn't use the native script in giving examples. What is your opinion of including Khmer script with all of the examples? I'm partial to it, but then again, I can read it...I'm starting to wonder how much it really adds to the article for the average reader.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 03:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Note that sometimes after writing a detailed description that gets unwieldy it makes sense to spin it out into a dauhter article and then write a shorter summary for the main article - here I am not saying your version is getting unwieldy, just noting the option as you write and struggle with the balance of detail vs. summary style concision. As for the examples I think you are right in thinking the script may not be necessary - especially for the syntax examples. I think the script could be integrated well into examples of phonology and orthography, but are probably not necessary for making the reader understand syntax - here a gloss is probably more useful. You can also look at Greenlandic language to see some examples of how we did it there.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
That long complex sentence needs to be broken over several lines - when it is given on a sngle line it breaks the page layout (and my screen). Also on further thought I think the Khmer script does need to be removed from the examples that describe the grammar - they really do not serve a purpose here.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:44, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I see that now. I thought it might, but I checked it in two OS/browser combos that I commonly use and it looked good. I just tried it on windows smaller than full screen resolution and it does indeed break things. I had planned on removing the Khmer script and restructuring the formatting last night as discussed above, but I wasn't feeling well so I turned in early. I should be able to get to everything tonight (although I must admit, right now the only way I can think of to "fix" that one long sentence will probably work but won't look very elegant in the editing window). Thanks again for your patience and time. It is very much appreciated.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 23:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Congratulations, I just passed the artic. Really impressive work. One thing, I forgot to mention is that on my screen the Khmer script is showing up so small that I can't actually distinguish the signs at all. Is there a way to avoid this happening do you think?·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing it and for the compliment! The tiny Khmer script is a Windows issue. Windows has included native support for Khmer (since Windows 7, I believe) but their default font doesn't handle it very well and makes it appear so minuscule as to be unreadable without zooming in. Apparently it isn't a priority for them since Windows 10 still has the same problem. The only way to avoid it is on the user's end by downloading and installing any of the freely-available third-party unicode Khmer fonts and setting one of those to default. Thanks also for the recommendations for future improvement. I considered reworking the references last night but figured it wasn't necessary for GA; it is on my list of things to do though.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia Asian Month[edit]

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Inaccurate information[edit]

Princess Soma's father married her mother in Cambodia and not in California. She is the oldest siblings Camboodianhistory (talk) 07:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Camboodianhistory: I was just preparing to discuss this with you on your user talk page, but we can do it here. There are a couple issues that have led me to revert your edits. First and foremost, all edits to Wikipedia must be verifiable by reliable sources, this is especially true when dealing with articles about living persons. The current information is taken from available sources. If you have sources which meet Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources that can verify your assertions, please make the appropriate changes and provide the citation to the source(s).
Also, the same edits you attempted to make were also tried earlier today by the account User:Somanorodom and also by an unregistered IP. If these were you, please see WP:SOCK and WP:IMPERSONATE for the relevant Wikipedia policies and only edit from one account in the future. If, as the first user name implies, you are the Princess or somebody closely related to her, Wikipedia policies (Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) strongly discourages users from writing about themselves. However, if this is the case and if you would like changes considered, you can provide neutral, reliable sources on the talk page of the article and another editor will make edits/corrections as warranted.
FWIW, when writing this article, I thought the source might be mistaken, due to the dates and events of the era making it unlikely the marriage would have been in California, but I couldn't find any other source stating where the marriage may taken place. However, Wikipedia is built on verifiability, not truth.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 08:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on Thailand[edit]

Hey There,

The page on Thailand is locked (yes, I know, to prevent vandalism), but I would like to correct a punctuation error. Perhaps someone can do that for me instead. The error is terribly simple, but easily missed when read: the second paragraph needs a period at the end after the closed parentheses. Unless, however, the author would like the time period in parentheses to be independant of the previous sentence then place a period at the end of that sentence, plus a period at the end of the sentence within the parentheses.

Thanks very much!

Rockviolet99 (talk) 03:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I took the liberties of moving your request to the bottom of the page to keep in chronological order as well as making an appropriate sub-heading.
Done. Thanks for bringing that up. In the future, you can request edits of any semi-protected page by using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template on the talk page of the article.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 04:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 13:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

Thank-you-word-cloud.jpg Hawkeye7 RfA Appreciation award
Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA per WP:NETPOSITIVE. It was very much appreciated. I note that you have had no interaction with me, but I am always open to collaboration. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:59, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Brian Martin article[edit]

I saw your post on User:Goolwong's page re WP:Judith Wilyman PhD controversy[1] I have just put Judith Wilyman's professor WP:Brian Martin[2] 's page onto BLPN. [3]

However I have no faith in WP proceedures. Having been burnt. Could you please have a quick look at Martin's page in a week's time and check that things are going OK. A very quick scan suggests that Woolgong may be serially misrepresenting the content of sources and creating an inaccurate negative representation of Martin.

I AGF however an article by Martin "Mobbing of a PhD student: lessons and responsibilities" [4] prompts vigilance.

It's been almost 10 years since I last edited and hope that it will be at least another 10 before I do so again. Good luck and edit safely. (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Khmer language[edit]

The article Khmer language you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Khmer language for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Maunus -- Maunus (talk) 05:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Middle Khmer[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

PR @ Norodom Sihanouk[edit]

Hi William, I saw that your Khmer language article has been promoted - congratulations!

I'm in the midst of copyediting through Sihanouk's article, as I hope to promote it to FA status sometime in the middle part of this year. (Pardon me, progress is a bit slow as of now.) As I saw that you have contributed to this article in the past, I thought it would be good to invite you to take a look at the article. I have put up a Peer Review, and you are welcome to suggest or give your opinion to any parts of the article which you see that it might need improvement, if you like or see fit. You're coordially welcome to the PR, though please don't feel obliged or pressured if you are unable to do so. Cheers! Mr Tan (talk) 16:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Mr Tan: Thanks! I noticed Norodom Ranariddh is now a FA. Nice job! I'll take a look at Sihanouk's article when I get a chance. I'd like to get Khmer language to FA as well, but it still needs some work before it'll even be close to ready. I've also started going through Cambodia line-by-line for copy editing and updating references (it's slow going though; I haven't had much time lately). I'd like to see Cambodia make it to at least a GA this year. Keep up the good work!--William Thweatt TalkContribs 23:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
No problem - I've been quite busy lately, so I won't be too active in trying to chaperone other editors for suggestions. Anyway, it's very hard to predict when I would be able to log on to Wikipedia - so any activities that requires a continuous period of engagement with other editors would not be ideal for now :) Mr Tan (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Khmer language[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)


Hiya! Hope you don't mind I collapsed the discussion to not derail the thread any further. Feel free to revert if you disagree. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 04:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Ramblin' Wreck from Bottombang[edit]

Hi there. I just saw your post on JCW Beckham's talk page from forever ago. Are you related to the fellow with the same name on the 1917 Georgia Tech football team? All I know of Cambodia, aside from "Angkor Wat is a thing"; I have been told they have some neat flute music. Cake (talk) 14:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Hindi language speakers[edit]

I know the article Hindi is on Modern standard Hindi. But for your kind information, I want to say that Census of India groups all mother tongue languages of Hindi under Hindi language as clearly indicated by my source from official site. All these languages are officially and informally written in script of your "modern standard Hindi" be it Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Marwari and what not. The Indian Census count these dialect speakers as Hindi speakers. Please explain it. Vibhss (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@Vibhss: That information is handled by the articles Hindi Belt, Hindi languages and Hindustani language. We also have Hindi (disambiguation) for the different usages of the term "Hindi".

khmer origin[edit]

I think friends the khmer people are originated from kambojas Ipradyuman (talk) 12:23, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thinking it does not make it so. No reliable source makes this claim. In fact, quite the opposite, numerous DNA studies have shown that Mon-Khmer populations (including the Khmer) are genetically distinct from Indo-Iranians.[1][2] The ancient name of Cambodia, "Kambuja", comes from two Pali/Sanskrit words Kambu ("gold") and ja ("born of" or "giving birth to"), giving a loosely translated "place birthed in gold" or "land born of gold". The name was a reference to the term Suvarnabhumi ("Land of Gold") used by ancient India to refer to various lands of Southeast Asia. They are completely unrelated to the Indo-Iranian Kambojas at the other end of the continent 5000+ miles away.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 22:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)