User talk:Wknight94/Archive 1

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Category:Entertainers who died in their 20's

Regarding Category:Entertainers who died in their 20's and others like it. "20s" are plural, not possessive, therefore there is no apostrophe. -Willmcw 03:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Question for Wknight94

Why did you create the Entertainers who died in their x0s category? I like a good explanstation. And please, be specific. Shkarter1985

Lived categories

Wknight, I noticed you replace birth and death categories with the {{lived|b=1938|d=1982|key=Buono, Victor}} template. However, this causes a slowdown of the servers. Instead use {{Subst:lived|b=1938|d=1982|key=Buono, Victor}}. This substitutes the normal birth and death categories you were getting rid of, but which are prefered. Cheers, Fawcett5 17:23, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Game 6

Hi there — no point in linking to Game 6 in the description of the 1986 World Series, it is just a redirect to the 1986 World Series article and that article is already linked to just a few lines above. —Cleared as filed. 01:26, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock

I've noticed that you have been editing some articles having to do with classic rock. I'm doing a survey that is trying to find the most liked classic rock song and was hoping that you would contriute. There is more info on my user page. RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 02:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

John Marshall (user page in category)

Page deleted. Let me know if you have any other problems. Thanks! jengod 19:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

New York Mets

Hi! Please check the 40-man rosters for the Boston Red Sox (incomplete) and Pittsburgh Pirates (complete) and let me know your opinion on that. Thanks. MusiCitizen 15:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

For more info about the rosters please read MLB transactions. Feel free to work as you wish. Good luck! – MusiCitizen 16:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

A question for you

I want a good explanation why you created that "Entertainers who died in their x0s" category (i.e. Entertainers who died in their 40s)??? Tell my why you done it.


See my answer in User_talk:Shkarter1985. Is there some problem? wknight94 01:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Mexican and Japanese baseball players

Regarding your question on the categories:

I intended those two categories to be for players native to the two countries. I didn't intend for the Japanese players category to be populated by non-Japanese. I suggest that non-Japanese players in Japan be placed in a separate category—perhaps "Non-Japanese baseball players in Japan". There's precedent for it; there's a category for non-German football players in Germany. — Dale Arnett 03:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Pinch a penny and paradyne, my pix

These are both important employers in Largo, but I'm not sure the links need to be in the article. Mr. Thomas, the founder of Pinch a Penney, is a very important player in Largo politics. We owe him a lot for the new library. Putting my personal/political bias aside, his link should go.

Thanks for the compliment. My dream is to one day take only perfect pictures. Vanity is my worst trait. The link should go.

Mikereichold 03:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Comma before LoPbN dates?

Hi, and thanks for your contribs on List of people by name-tree pages!

You may be interested something that's been diffidently discussed for over a year, but hasn't gotten any attention since i asked for opinions on resolving it about 6 months ago. I've put a lot of commas between the link to the subject's bio and their parenthesized dates of birth &/or death, since that has been the predominant approach for a long time, but my cautiousness about a change has been the strongest opinion for it that i've heard for a while before, and since then.

Earlier this week, i announced my intention to eliminate the comma before (but not the one after) the dates, come the new year; that too has brought no response.

Your interest in the pages suggests you're among those whose continued silence should justify my confidence in that move, so i hope you'll speak up at Talk:List of people by name#Commas if you've got enough of an opinion to bother commenting on it.
--Jerzyt 22:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Delaware categories

I had actually forgotten I had created that category and do not have any plans for it. Please do delete it, and thank-you very much for asking. stilltim 22:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Roster categories

See my reply. ςפקιДИτς 02:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi Wknight94, I can see a purpose to both categories, but I defer to your judgment; I made a full reply at User_talk:Choster#Category:Pensacola_Metro_Area.3F. - choster 17:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Names for Olympics by country categories

Hi. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice this but, when broken out by country, most sports- and people-related categories begin with the nationality first. You'll see one of the exceptions in Category:American sportspeople is the subcategory Category:Olympic competitors for the United States — most of the rest start with Category:American... Has anyone brought up the idea of renaming, e.g., Category:Olympic tennis players of the United States to Category:American Olympic tennis players? I'm figuring it's been discussed but put off as a monstrous item on a to-do list somewhere.  :) wknight94 01:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, you have just stumbled onto a surprisingly controversial and complex corner of category space. The two rival camps - the "Fooian bars" supporters and the "Bars of Foo" boosters have had several debates about this issue. I think things have been relatively quiet on that front for a while now, though, and we are lucky that this time, the conclusion was well-documented - see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Most of the people-related categories have indeed been decided to take "Fooian bar" form, though it appears this policy has (shockingly enough) not been applied to say, the Democratic Republic of the Congo-ians, and others with tongue-twisting English names. (There was actually some controversy about whether or not this should apply to the United States, because some people said "American" could mean "anyone from North or South America", but I guess that has been settled, too.) This would indicate your suggestion should be implemented...except that there was another decision about the Olympics categories. There was some concern that it be made clear exactly who qualified to be in them. It was decided that the categories would include only athle-- excuse me, sportspeople (in UK english, "athletes" means "track and field athletes") who had actually competed, not those with mere aspirations, or team membership, etc. So there was a conversation about what the term should be - "Olympians", "Olympic athletes", "Olympic sportspeople", "competitors from" vs. "competitors for", etc. "Olympic competitors for" was the result. I guess the subcategories are similarly patterned for consistency, but hey. If you ask me, a better solution to the inconsistency would be to convert all the "American foo" categories to "Foo of the United States", but I doubt that would happen if put to a vote. It's up to you if you want to propose a change. If so, the best thing to do would probably be to look up the Olympics convention discussion (it's somewhere in the WP:CFD archive, probably just before the historical era during which you'll see some edits renaming those categories) and put a link in your proposal, so people can refer back to it. Then, look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). If you decide you simply need to rename some categories to conform to the existing convention, then you can post a nomination on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion (which handles renaming, too). If you want to add a new convention (say, about Olympics) and rename some categories to conform to it, I would post your nomination on WP:CFD, mention that you would like to amend this policy, and also drop a note on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (categories) pointing people from there to the WP:CFD discussion (so no one watching that page can complain that they weren't notified). We have bots that can do mass renaming, so don't worry if you want to rename a large number of categories. Or, you might decide it would be more fun to work on articles instead. 8) Good luck! -- Beland 04:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Schenectady County, New York

I've never seen editors add people to county or city categories. Usually city or county articles have a "notable residents" list to cover the situation. Isn't that sufficient? It's hard to see how Bernard Vonnegut is significant to Schenectady County. If he was a local politician it might be different. As far as I can tell, he only lived and worked there. -Willmcw 09:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm in the process of grouping everything together under that category in preparation for creating subcategories under there. One of them will be a Category:Schenectadians category just like there is a Category:Tampans and various other cities. I don't even know who Bernard Vonnegut is but it sounds like he's only in Wikipedia at all because of some invention he came up with — while he was working at G.E. in Sch'dy. That invention is what's listed in the first paragraph of his article. I would think that would have been big news to Schenectady at the time. To me, if he belongs in any geographic category, it would be Schenectady and Indianapolis. Take a look at Category:Tampans — it has people that were born there, people that are there now, people that became famous there, etc. How is that different than for a future Category:Schenectadians? wknight94 13:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
That sounds good. There are many "geographic people" categories. I believe the tendency is to avoid adjectives like "Schenectadians" or "Tampans" in favor of phrases like "People of Schenectady" or "People from Tampa". Keep up the good work. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd have to say I'm not in favor of "Schenectadians" but that seems to be the standard so I stuck with it. I'll be the first to vote in favor of your alternative if the opportunity arises. wknight94 23:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Albany County

My reasons for opposing categorizing people by county are numerous, but suffice to say for now, this is how I'd prefer such relationships to be documented on here–with full annotations explaining the topical intersection. Please let me know what your thoughts are on handling it this way as an alternative. Postdlf 17:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, now it's in use in the Spanish Wikipedia. --Boticario 16:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


Oops! Fixed now. Radiant_>|< 01:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Entertainers who died aged x etc. categories

Hi, in your comment your said you find some useless, I assume that means you only want to keep the prematurely deceased cat? Could you update your comment if that is the case at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_December_29#Category:Entertainers_who_died_aged_x_etc._categories. Thanks Arniep 21:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

It looks like all the categories may be kept due to lack of consensus. If you find some of those categories useless please state which ones then we can at least get them deleted. Thanks Arniep 22:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can you say what you said to me on the cfd page above. Thanks Arniep 23:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

William Tubman

Hi. The images I uploaded had no copyright information coming with the second one. The first is from the Hulton Deutsch Collection. The copyright status is unknown. Thanks Homagetocatalonia, 02:21 1 January 2006 (UTC)

William Slim

The image does too have copyright information. The copyright is held by the Commonwealth of Australia, whose responsible agent, Peter West of Auspic, has given written and unconditional approval for its use at Wikipedia. This is all duly noted. I cleared this formulation with Mr Wales before proceeding, so I suggest you leave well enough alone. Adam 06:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball cards

Hello Wnight94. The old baseball cards images use on Wikipedia is condended to be a fair use because each image is being used for cultural educational purposes only in a not-for-profit encyclopedia, is necessary for informational purposes, and the material value of the possible copyright is not believed to be lessened by its use here. Thanks for your assistance and have you a good start to the new year! MusiCitizen 18:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Please check Willie Davis' image and let me know what dou you think. Cheers – MusiCitizen 20:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


  • Litigation from whom? Litigation can only from the copyright holder, and I have written permission from the copyright holder to use the photo. This is a feeble line of argument.
  • If there is a bot that deletes photos which have legitimate copyright info, then the bot needs to be fixed, not my documentation. Since you seem to think this important, I suggest you do so.

Adam 08:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

More photos

I'm sure you mean well, but please do a little more research before advising people on these things - the images in this case were plainly not public domain (as could've been seen if you'd read any of the copyright information on any of the images, or Adam's own user page), and thus advising people to tag them as public domain is a very bad idea. Ambi 08:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


I apologise for being nasty. The reason is that I am sick of endless, random deletions and challenges over images which are being used with the explicit written permission of the copyright holder, and which are tagged very clearly with a formulation approved by Mr Wales, who invented this policy in the first place. I am sick of this policy being randomly and inconsistently applied by self-appointed busybodies who apparently have nothing better to do here than sabotage other people's work and drive away contributors. Apparently I will now have to retag a large number of photos, some for the 3rd and 4th time, because someone has invented a bot which deletes photos that do not carry a copyright template. I have jumped through every hoop demanded of me since this issue arose, but every time I do, new hoops are invented. So that is why I sometimes display a certain asperity when responding to these challenges. Adam 07:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


Argh. I'm a plain idiot. I forgot to remove the tfd notice an all templates I moved to the not deleted log. I'm going to fix that right now. Of course PD-USGov-Congress-Bio is not deleted and no longer nominated. I moved the nomination to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/December 2005#Template:PD-USGov-Congress-Bio. Thanks for your message and please excuse. Adrian Buehlmann 08:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball on Wikicities

Hello Wknight94, Googie Man here and I want to ask you something as a fellow baseball fan on Wikipedia. Jimbo and Angela have made a new webstie called Wikicities. This link in particular will take you to the baseball Wikicity. As you'll see it's similar to Wikipedia, but my hope is this will allow baseball fans to do more and different things, like reporting on games, in depth statistics, create mulitple pages for pictures, and whatever else baseball fans care to create. You've done great work on Wikipedia and I was hoping you could help get this baseball Wikicity off the ground. Please let me know what you think either at my talk page, or you can email me at Thanks! Googie Man(Talk), 18:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

Eve Plumb

Thanks for pointing that out. Could you post that on the [WP:ANI]] page? I'm tired of doing all the scut work. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball on Wikicities, part II

Hi Wknight, Thanks for your reply. Here is a link to the Wikicities homepage [1], so you can learn more about the project. The difference between Wikicities and Wikipedia? More freedom on Wikicities. Wikipedia is a great resource, but all content must conform to the standards of an encyclopedia. This means no opinion, no speculation, no predictions. My hope is that Wikicities will be a forum for all these things that baseball fans love to do. I also hope that people can start reporting on baseball news, or write up a game they saw the previous night. One thing I personally want to do, and get other baseball fans to join in, is to have a section of Wikicities devoted to pictures taken at games. I think there are many more possibilities I haven't even thought of, so any suggestions you have are very welcome. I hope to see you there at the Baseball Wikicity [2]. Thanks! Googie Man(Talk), 15:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC).

Verplanck Colvin/Temp

No, thanks, I don't need that temp page-- would you delete it please? Thanks, Mwanner | Talk 15:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

World Series

If there are other blurbs in the article which claim to be "Best Series Ever", feel free to remove that reference or else say "ONE OF the best". It is almost totally a point-of-view concept. I'm sure young White Sox fans think 2005 was the best ever! The term "best ever" would likely have to be narrowed to Series' that went the full distance, which narrows the list significantly, and where the outcome of the game was in serious doubt until the final play, which narrows the list further. Then you've got a short "list of the best". After that, there are likely no objective criteria for determining "THE best". You could make a statistical argument, but that wouldn't be the whole picture. And I could just as easily argue for 1912 as for 1991, although I am not quite old enough to have seen 1912. d:) Wahkeenah 03:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

You could go a step further, and reduce EACH Series entry to a single line, in that fashion, retaining the link to the Series writeup. That would reduce the page to a simple quick reference of results, along with a "headline" to trigger the reader's memory and/or interest in possibly going to the individual detail pages. I also have second thoughts about any of it being in the present tense, as the wording gets a bit awkward, but consistency is the key: either all past (preferable) or all present tense. Arguably, there also needs to be a page for each of the pre-1900 Series, which generated some interest in their time... at least as much as the 1908 Series, which generated almost none, as it followed heart-pounding races in both leagues. If Cubs fans knew that it would be their last Series win for at least 97 years, maybe more of them would have caught some trains to Detroit to catch the action. Wahkeenah 04:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


Same thing happens to me in K-Meleon. I'll try downloading, recompressing and reuploading the image. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 12:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Bah - didn't help. Maybe it just needs time. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 12:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


He told me wikipedia Has gods and there is only one god so r ead the bible.


Hi! Thanks for your note re dealing with vandals. I've been wondering: Is it customary / recommended to post a warning message for every vandalism? So far I have posted it for repeated vandalisms only. If some kid adds "boobs" to a couple of pages I haven't bothered - often they seem to try it once or twice, notice the change gets reverted, then they give up. I'm concerned about causing more harm than good if I attach a warning to every AOL or school library IP address in the universe... Also feedback might encourage someone; if their changes promptly and quietly disappear some of them might lose interest more quickly. I've been trying delete first, warn only if the behaviour persists.

Use the {{test}} template on the user's talk page for a first offense. It's a polite way of saying We saw what you did. -- Dalbury(Talk) 22:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Spam

Yes, you can help fight linkspam. You can join Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. We can use all the help we can get. And I see you're in Florida, so have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Florida, as well. -- Dalbury(Talk) 22:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


I apologize, the links should be restored. Do you want me to do them? They should be able to reside as a seperate list, and as a standard disambiguation page. I just had a hard time scrolling through the long page, waiting as it loaded, and found the individual pages easier to load and navigate. I guess I need a faster connection and a more memory. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 15:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Please Remove Comments About dryguy

Since you almost immediately moved the last post I made to your talk page, let me start by pointing out that deleting posts to your talk page is frowned upon.

I'm posting about your refusal to honor my request that you delete the comments you have made about me on your user page. If the comments were somewhere else, I would just post a reply defending myself since you have refused to remove them, but since they are on your user page, it is against Wikipedia convention for me to make any major edits there. So instead, I am left with requesting that you delete the comments. By this, I mean delete any reference to me on your user page of any kind. I am requesting complete removal of any reference to me, because your previous changes simply changed the entry from an insinuation that I would engage in sock puppeting, to a kind of passive accusation that I am somehow stalking you via AfD. Either way, these are personal attacks, and I request that you remove them immediately. --dryguy 23:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I have had it

This guy is stalking me every move i make. i say get of my back. by the way even though you are "watching" me. Wikipedia has no gods. you arent a god. youre a just a geeky old 8-year old looking for his spot in the sun. and wy don' you ban me? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!? So shut up! :) by the wa nobody likes a snooty 8 yar old do they boy hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!? i'm so sorry you love dane thomas and michael jackson from jÀckjohn