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November 2011[edit]

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Stop spamming NYKOP page![edit]

It seems the vandal is you because you came on Not Your Kind of People page and added that terrible Clash Music review. I mean not just the rating but the content itself. Also it's very, very short. I can't call this a honest review, but a hateful and biased review.

Also you removed a 5 star review just to add that crappy review. That Clash Music review can be found through Metacritic link anyway.

I have a feeling that you wrote that review... Otherwise why you're so insistent? Deepblue1 (talk) 17:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

  • As I said before, you're the vandal because YOU try to insert your own terrible review.Deepblue1 (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You started to get on my nerves. I will NOT tolerate your attempts to insert your shitty review. Move the issue on Talk Page of Not Your Kind of People and let's vote! Deepblue1 (talk) 10:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

September 2012[edit]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Coexist (album), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't reintroduce your change to the article without explaining them elsewhere first. It saves a lot of reverting of mass changes. As Template:Album ratings shows, web publications are not italicized. Metacritic's score is already discussed at length in the leading prose of the section, so the template would be redundant. Your removal of the table because it's too much to you is not a reason to remove it. Like in GA articles such as Here I Stand (Usher album) and 8701, it's useful in presenting information too complex to be expressed in prose (WP:TABLE) Other table form information includes accolades for an album such as in Kid A. I'm trying to improve this article, so your preferential edits are getting a bit in the way. Dan56 (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Also on the point of the ratings template, you did notice how I did not mention the rating given by the reviewers in prose? It will already be noted in the ratings template, so I avoided being redundant. The Metacritic field in the template is an optional parameter (Template:Album ratings) Dan56 (talk) 18:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Did you even bother looking at what I did in my previous edit? I didn't add or remove any reviews. I removed "However, This is PiL has also been met with mixed reviews" and "The album has also received negative reviews". It's completely unnecessary to say that. Look at any other wikipedia article about an album that has a metacritic score in the 60s and you'll see that they never mention that the album has also received negative and mixed reviews. They let the reviews speak for themselves. Also, stop with the "you're a Punk sockpuppet" bullshit. I'm not a sockpuppet and your baseless accusations are completely irrelevant to my edits of This is PiL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vonran (talkcontribs) 17:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Reverting on behalf of others[edit]

So Valboo wrote it, then I copy-edited the text you're referring to at The Weeknd (with an edit summary). Then you reverted me, saying "This was a good job" and Consensus is "not for the only opponent in 9 months" (whatever the hell that means). Check my edit summary (also available at the article's history) and I explained why it wasnt in fact a "good job" entirely, so I copy-edited it. Stop reverting me please. I explained myself at the talk page, addressed any and every point you made, and if we both want to avoid WP:3RR we should talk it out. Dan56 (talk) 17:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Unless you have a specific issue about my improvement that's violating any guideline, then dont imply some page ownership that I cant make constructive edits to this article, which I've mightily improved since when I first edited it. Dan56 (talk) 17:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

February 2013[edit]

Please refrain from deleting content you do not agree with, as you did here to The Weeknd. Disruptive genre-related edits made to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 01:56, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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January 2014[edit]

Although you mean well, I've again reverted your edits to Billboard Hot 100 and Alternative Songs. These additions are not worded very well and do not really improve the articles... in fact they are quite muddled and confusing. There's no need to focus on 1990's policies for the charts, nor add clipped screenshots from Google books, and the part about "three types of Hot 100" is inaccurate/doesn't make sense. The component charts are already mentioned in the main Hot 100 article, and they also have their own spin-off pages. If you're going to add large sections to these or change around the intro sections, please discuss on the Talk Page(s) first. Thanks! - eo (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Blur[edit]

While you're at it, you might want to check that article for close-paraphrases. See my sandbox. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Blur (band): problems of neutrality[edit]

You helped this article to get GA last year where as there is a important problem of WP:NPOV concerning facts that are easy to check via the site Billboard.com. I explained the problem and proposed a solution on the talk of the article. This needs to be fixed quickly. Woovee (talk) 18:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look. SilkTork ✔Tea time 01:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I've just looked, and it appears you wish to make an edit. Just go and do it. If there's a problem with it, someone will make an adjustment, or enter a discussion with you. Be bold! Please be bold - that's how we make progress. If we entered into a discussion and got agreement for every minor edit, then Wikipedia wouldn't be the success it is. It was because of the slowness of getting agreement for content on Nupedia that Wikipedia was created. "Wiki" means quick - its essence is that multiple users can directly edit text collaboratively and directly, rather than having long discussions to get agreement first. Do it the wiki way - WP:Be bold! SilkTork ✔Tea time 02:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I did several edits the last two weeks; the problem is they were quickly reverted and rejected by the same person who has been presenting the "song 2" single as "a hit" in the USA, where as 1) it was just a "a radio hit on alternative modern rock radios" !! and 2) not a hit at all in terms of commercial success as "Song2" never cracked the Hot 100 that is the only Billboard chart that includes "units sold" and "singles sales". " Billboard modern rock tracks" indeed is a list that mentions only the 40 most-played songs on alternative rock radios which is a very special sub-format. More important, this billboard isn't based from "units sold and single sales" at all. Clearly, this article should have never been rated GA because it mis-interpreted sources, and presents facts in a fallacious way. It's clearly original research that presenting "Song2" as "a hit". As an adminisrator who passed this GA and who didn't see this problem because you assumed, sources had been used following the wiki guidelines of neutrality, sticktosource and nooriginalresearch, you were abused in a certain way too. As a reader who knew Blur's history, and their cult status in the USA, they just had a album certified gold in 1997, I was baffled by the presentation of "song2" as a hit. It is also perverse because european people don't know exactly what is the Billboard alternative songs, and what is the Hot 100 (which is the equivalent of the uk singles chart if you prefer). Thank you for replying so quickly. - Woovee (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Could you help me to help you by stating the situation in one or two sentences. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:40, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
In the lead, it is said that "song 2" brought the band mainstream success in the states. This is not true: it was only the album that was certified gold in the USA, not that "song 2" single. Indeed, this single never entered the Hot 100 (the chart that include the sales): so how could it be presented as a hit. What is true is that the "song2" single was played a lot on alternative modern rock radios, it peaked at n°6 in the modern rock radios. so it was only a radio alternative rock radio. The use of the word "hit" is to me not appropriate. I would say that it had heavy rotation on alternative radios. Woovee (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I looked at the history and now see the situation. I agree with you. I was about to make the change, but note that it has already been done. There are now three editors who agree that "hit" means a record in the Billboard 100. Any further problems, please give me a ping. It helps if you explain quickly and clearly what the situation is. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Indopug, has reverted most of Woovee's improvements with the assumption that what was there was accurate to the high-quality reliable sources, but much of it isn't. It can be difficult to improve an article when it has several watchers making sure that dubious content does not change. The problem is, Indopug didn't bother to actually check the sources before reverting. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 17:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I see that at last, some people agree with the fact that there's a problem of neutrality on this article, huge to my point of view. Woovee (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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Blur "hit" dispute[edit]

I have merged the two suggested wordings. Please review to see if it is acceptable: Talk:Blur_(band)#Dispute over "hit". SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking the time to edit all those scaruffi reviews on the Fahey album pages. Airproofing (talk) 18:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Scaruffi URL[edit]

Hi, I don't think that the URL you are using works anymore, as the thread has been archived. I think this should work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_46#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviewsgoethean 17:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Goth subculture[edit]

Hi Woovee, You stated that the Goth Bible is not (WP:NOTABILITY) notable enough. If you go to this Policy, you will see that "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article." WP:NNC says that "The criteria applied to article creation/retention are not the same as those applied to article content. The notability guidelines do not apply to article or list content (with the exception that some lists restrict inclusion to notable items or people). Content coverage within a given article or list (i.e., whether something is noteworthy enough to be mentioned in the article or list) is governed by the principle of due weight and other content policies." I would appreciate it if you would not delete content sourced to a published book on the topic.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Woovee, Could you send me the link to the Wikipedia policy against copying sentences from other WP articles? As I understand it, the requirement is that you acknowledge the source in your edit summary, which I did.
Here is the editing guideline from WP:CWW: "Wikipedia's licensing requires that attribution be given to all users involved in creating and altering the content of a page. Wikipedia's page history functionality lists all edits made and its users. It cannot, however, in itself determine where text originally came from. Because of this, copying content from another page within Wikipedia requires supplementary attribution to indicate it. At minimum, this means a link to the source page in an edit summary at the destination page—that is, the page into which the material is copied. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to make a note in an edit summary at the source page as well. Content reusers should also consider leaving notes at the talk pages of both source and destination." I read CWW, and didn't find any discussion of copying being discouraged. If I missed the section, please point it out to me, thanks.

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Nick Cave[edit]

As far as I can tell, in Rip it Up and Start Agan, Simon Reynolds only refers to TBP as "proto-goth" (along with Bauhaus and The Banshees), as in it influenced the scene that followed. At what point does he describe TBP's "highly gothic, challenging lyrics" (which you highlight before anything else, giving the reader the impression that the band's fame rests on its literary qualities and not its sound, image, live shows...), or its "violent live sound influenced by punk rock and blues" (what does "live sound" even mean here? And is it not redundant to say that a post-punk band is influenced by punk rock?) The "Prince of Darkness" name occurs again and again in reviews and interviews, and packs a lot more punch than "the grand lord of gothic lushness". There is no doubt that elements of Cave's music have been described as gothic, and that he has influenced bands associated with the goth rock genre, but I think it's misleading to lump him into some kind of scene, which is what you appear to be doing. I suggest you read Kicking Against the Pricks if you haven't already. It's clear that Cave and the other BP members detested the goth scene and wrote "Release the Bats" as a parody of its followers. I hope we can reach some kind of consensus here. - HappyWaldo (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

TBP is first and foremost a post-punk band; proto-goth doesn't adequately sum up the band's output/legacy. How about this: "Prior to this, he fronted The Birthday Party, one of the most notorious and influential post-punk bands of the 1980s. ... Referred to as rock music's "Prince of Darkness", Cave's output is generally characterised by emotional intensity, a wide variety of influences, and lyrical obsessions with death, religion, love and violence.[3] NME described him as "the grand lord of gothic lushness"." - HappyWaldo (talk) 15:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
TBP was influential on the gothic rock genre - and many other (sub)genres. It's arguable that they influenced noise rock as much as gothic rock, maybe more so. There's a whole movement of American noise rock bands who aped TBP. Instead of singling out any area of influence, it's better to just say they were one of the most influential post-punk bands. - HappyWaldo (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
"You have to include the gothic adjective in the description of TBP" This is the lead for the Nick Cave article, not TBP. If you're going to emphasise the gothic connection then it opens the door to a variety of other labels bestowed upon them by critics over the years, from blues punk to aforementioned noise rock. Those two would be more legitimate given they have Wikipedia articles. Keep it simple and stick to the all-encompassing post-punk. I have agreed to the NME quote. - HappyWaldo (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I made the changes. Glad we had this discussion. - HappyWaldo (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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A question about how a song must be credited[edit]

Hello SilkTork,

As you are an administrator and you deal with articles about music, I wanted to ask you how a song has to be credited if the artist is known under a pseudonym. Let's take as instances songs by Dylan or Prince or Bowie: do they have to be credited as "Bob Dylan", "Prince", "David Bowie" or as "BoB Dylan|Robert Allen Zimmerman", "Prince (musician)|Roger Nelson" , "David Bowie|David Robert Jones". Thanks. Woovee (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

If an artist is widely known under a pseudonym, their birth name would be mentioned in the main article on that person as that is part of the scope of that article, and is encyclopedic. In articles on that artists' work, we would tend to only use the pseudonym by which they are known, as their birth name would be out of scope for that article as the article would only be on the song itself, not on the history of the artist. If an artist uses an irregular pseudonym for a particular song or album, then we would give both the irregular pseudonym and the name by which they are better known, which may in itself be a pseudonym. See Don't Go Breaking My Heart. I hope that helps. SilkTork ✔Tea time 07:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Looking forward to working with you[edit]

Hey Woovie, I enjoyed getting a chance get to meet you the other day--thanks for being so understanding. I can see that you are interested in music, so I am looking forward to working with you on many projects in the future. Garagepunk66 (talk) 09:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Garagepunk66, thank you very much. I used to be more prolific. I still keep on adding content on articles when I have time. Woovee (talk) 19:10, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, just some tokens of my appreciation. Garagepunk66 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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RfC[edit]

Thanks for posing the question. I fixed it so it is now a Request for Comments. I added your signature to the question as that is what is required. Karst (talk) 15:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC) @Karst: I thought to ask it at wikiproject alternative, as it doesn't only concern this article. I found a lot of sources for this legacy section a couple of years ago. Woovee (talk) 17:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Excellent idea. Please proceed. Karst (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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There is a ANI here about my edits on Siouxsie related articles that may interest you. thanks for reading. Carliertwo (talk) 05:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Re:Depeche Mode[edit]

I've been getting mixed messages. For the longest time, I thought we were supposed to do like you said and only included studio albums in the infoboxes for studio album articles and tried implementing that policy on the My Chemical Romance articles but someone changed it back. See here, here, here, and here. There's more than those four but I just wanted to show you why I applied that to the Depeche Mode chain, even though as I said it was my understanding we were only supposed to do studio albums like you said. Shaneymike (talk) 16:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

We don't use other articles as instances to follow. Had Black Celebration been released under another title and with another tracklisting in the US for instance, it would have been relevant to mention it. But including live albums, compilations, remixes cds is a no-no. Woovee (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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  • @Robvanvee: Using a tool is such a plague on wikipedia because it makes longtime users waste a lot of time. Had you read the edits, you would have realized that these genres have been established by music historians for these albums for a long long time. Another point, one doesn't put any source in the infobox because the information doesn't simply belong there Woovee (talk) 17:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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Hiya Woovee, I was a little puzzled by this edit and the concerns you expressed in the edit summary.

Diffuser.fm is part of Townsquare Media's Loudwire Network. The site has mentions in sources like the BBC, Rolling Stone, American Songwriter, etc. and currently has 170 cites in Wikipedia.

The review was clearly identified as an album review in the headline. It described songs that have not appeared as singles (in the penultimate paragraph). The date didn't faze me; several of the reviews mentioned on Metacritic are dated mid-August as well (Record Collector was first, 18 August). Journos clearly got advance copies.

As for diffuser.fm not being mentioned on Metacritic, I don't know what criteria Metacritic uses. But the Times review for example isn't mentioned there either, nor the one in the Financial Times and several other papers. Best, --Andreas JN466 15:37, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Andreas, you point out a few contradictions. I don't know why The Times and the Financial Times are not referenced on Metacritic. Maybe it is because the UK Times' group doesn't allow it. Anyway, Diffuser.fm is not well famous to my opinion: I don't rate it as a good source like the ones I've added. In fact, I don't remember seeing it ever including in the rating infobox/reception section of a music GA/FA. Diffuser.fm's looks like a summary of other reviews, it is my view. There are plenty of other reviews available for this album, I've just added another one. Woovee (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree the sources you added are more important, and it's not like we're short of reviews. Still, I thought I'd mention it. The DYK reviewer (I'm happy to share DYK credit as you added some key sources) is asking for a citation for the track listing; any suggestions? --Andreas JN466 11:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Not really, I've never seen a citation for a tracklisting, in an article about an album. One can add the BMG catalogue numbers for the standard edition and the Japanese edition, eventually. Woovee (talk) 13:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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