User talk:Worm That Turned/Archive 11

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Reading the tea leaves

Depending on how you want to read the tea leaves, the TT proposal's margin could be anywhere from 1 supporting the unblock to 3 opposing it. In such a close situation, it pretty much is going to come down to you and Fastily, and the two of you are going to get crap no matter which option you choose. I'll be interested in watching this go forward.

One bit of advice; if you do decide to unblock, some people are probably going to try and goad TT to get him reblocked for good. Be on the lookout and clamp down hard on that kind of thing. If TT is going to be given this last shot, it ought to be a fair one. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I count between 6-8 more opposing it. Neither has a stronger weight on arguements either. It's a pretty close call, considering how many people commented - so I'm currently counting it as no consensus to unblock. Unfortunately, that means TT will have to wait. Perhaps something will change in the future - but at least I know I tried WormTT · (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'll be honest: from what I read, this will end up becoming a combination of WP:OFFER with a requirement for mentoring at the end of the "vacation". Indeed, I would love to see TT be useful at another project, and probably would 100% support his return at the end of that - with mentoring. I would bet lots of others would see things the same way. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Zachary Quinto

Hi, can you give a third opinion on the talk page for me since you're more knowledgable with policies? Thanks, enjoy your weekend! Jenova20 11:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Creating an article

Hi, i've asked at Wikiproject Journalism and LGBT studies for help in improving "homophobia in the media" since this is their field really. It's going well and easy to find information and sources. do i transform it into a decent article when the time comes? Thanks Jenova20 09:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, that's a difficult question. You've read enough articles on Wikipedia to know what they should look like - I suggest you just start writing. Make sure what you've written is backed up by sources and go for it :) WormTT · (talk) 09:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm doing that.
Just felt i needed some constructive criticism from the legendary Good Article creator of food articles =]
Thanks WormTT Jenova20 10:13, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I've got it watchlisted. I'll see what I can add. WormTT · (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I've tripled the size of the article yesterday quite easily but it's still just bulletpoints at the moment.
Thanks Jenova20 11:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I've started with the actual text for the article before some of the sources are incorporated. Can i be coached a little through this as it requires an outside opinion i feel. Thanks Jenova20 09:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

It's looking good so far. I'll keep an eye on it and when you've got a little further I'll add a little feedback, maybe make some changes. Today's not a great day for me to help out, I'm afraid. WormTT · (talk) 09:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry, there's no rush.
Thanks Worm Jenova20 10:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

(Former) adoptee update

Yesterday, my second GA was passed — 1906 Florida Keys hurricane! :) Four DYKs (of which one is still waiting to be moved to a prep) so far! HurricaneFan25 12:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Well done! WormTT · (talk) 12:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW, when are you gonna get off those dramaboards and write another article? :P HurricaneFan25 12:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
My god you're right there. Since TT's mentorship is not going anywhere for a while, and I'm hoping the Kiefer.Wolfowitz RfC is nearing an end... I might actually be away from drama by the end of next week. I've had enough of it, I don't know how people can hang around in it regularly! I do need to get back into writing articles again, I haven't for ages. I've got a bacon cup to retain :D WormTT · (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW, do you have any advice for writing an FA? HurricaneFan25 13:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Got trolled today :( HurricaneFan25 19:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Mmm (chomps stroopwafels) Thanks Worm! HurricaneFan25 16:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


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Thread has been brought back on ANI. How do you feel about mentoring this guy? Have mörser, will travel (talk) 07:23, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Replied on ANI why it might be a bad idea. WormTT · (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


What is the equivalent of a restraining order on Wikipedia? Thanks Jenova20 10:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

There are interaction bans - why do you ask? WormTT · (talk) 10:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering...Would rather know before having to use it as i foresee an edit war and a lot of personal attacks in the coming days...
Is that through Admin?
Thanks Jenova20 11:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Are you foreseeing them regarding a certain article you're developing? I can see what you mean. Unfortunately, chances are, they'll come from IP addresses and newly created accounts - so you won't be able to create an interaction ban on them - only if it's with a particular editor. Generally, they're not not encouraged - but you're welcome to request any editor stays off your talk page, that might help if things start to flare up. Another editor I've help struggles because he created an article on Zyzz, a 4chan target. WormTT · (talk) 11:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually it's an existing editor who is still stalking me and i am currently anticipating trouble from.
Anonymous users won't to be too much of a problem i think.
Just another who posts inflammatory statements to try and get my goat and tries to involve himself in everything i do.
Thanks Jenova20 14:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to Zyzz, enjoying it very much =P Jenova20 14:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Why is the connection with Zyzz and 4chan? There is nothing mentioned in the article or talk page that i see to connect them. Thanks Jenova20 15:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I could be wrong, it was just in the back of my head that there was a link there. And a quick search on Google confirms. It's not mentioned anywhere on WP though, I think it may have been mentioned in one of the deleted versions. The article had been deleted a number of times before MelbourneStar created it. As for the editor who's hounding you (stalk is a bad word, real world stalking is much more serious than someone snooping at your edits) - read WP:WIKIHOUND and keep me in the loop. WormTT · (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Reading through it is most definitely WP:WIKIHOUNDing and often also enters the "Perceived legal threats" area.
Do i ignore this until it gets worse or do something about it as and when it happens?
Thanks Jenova20 15:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm concerned if it's entering "perceived legal threats", can you pass me a link? Or perhaps email me full details? WormTT · (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Well thankfully it hasn't reached that stage this time (yet) but i'll email a link if you want to just look at it from an acting in bad faith Point Of View or a precursor to more hounding.
Thanks Jenova20 15:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Reporting on behalf of another editor

Hey there WTT , hope you are well; Noticed your last edit was a few minutes ago so i might as well ask you; would i be allowed to report on behalf of another editor to the ANI?

This guy , User talk:Barts1a seems to have hit some heavy weather and i feel sorry for him and apparently he has been revoked from editing the ANI boards so i'd thought i would report his case for him (see his talk for details) However , another editor (whom ive never spoken to before) posted on my talk page that it wasnt a good idea and now i have cold feet; what should i do? User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 13:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

If he has been revoked from editing the ANI boards, there's probably a good reason for it. I recognise the name, but I don't know why. I'd suggest you don't post anything to ANI, but I'll have a look and see if theres any comments I can make. WormTT · (talk) 13:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I was one of a group of people that mentored Barts1a at one point. He wanted to get involved by reporting people at noticeboards, reverting and warning, tagging articles for deletion and all that stuff. Trouble was, he got a bit carried away, got very impatient, and shouted at everyone, and he was really bad at identifying what should be CSD'd from what doesn't. He made a request to have his restrictions lifted a few months ago - unfortunately, at the same time, he took exception to some IPs edits (that weren't very helpful, even though they were made in reasonably good faith), reverted him multiple times, rained fire and brimstone on the IPs talkpage and - when it was pointed out that this was exactly the problem - rained fire and brimstone down on ANI. If he could find something to do that didn't involve reverting or warning, he'd probably have a much better editing experience, but at the moment he is very down because he can't report anybody to the noticeboards, and he can't think of much else to do. He's just made a huge spectacle over Off2riorob and some edit or other - he though Rob was an Arb - so this isn't the best time to try to get his restrictions lifted anyway. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that background Elen. I'd actually left a message at Goldblooded's talk page, suggesting something similar, but I'll direct him here regarding this too. WormTT · (talk) 15:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Read your message on my talk and ill take that into account, ill let him know and pass on your advice; while its obvious hes over reacting i feel somewhat sad that hes retiring over this rather petty matter in a way he reminds me of myself when i was new; taking things way too seriously, and also its a shame since hes been on Wikipedia for over 5 years - you'd think he would know better. But again thanks WTT for your advice ill let him know :) User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 15:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, users come and go regularly - it may be the end, and it may not. Wikipedia is addictive, and even if he says he's quit, he may still be back. It's better that you do what you feel is right than you spend your time trying to rescue others. WormTT · (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Question about adoption?

Hi Dave, I wanted to know whether you are still running your adoption school or not, because I'm interested in joining, if you don't mind.

Thanks, B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuchsiab (talkcontribs) 14:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi B. I am indeed running my adoption school. I need to spend some time getting it going again for someone else, so I'll create one for you too :D WormTT · (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with it taking some time -- I'm having exams right now, so I won't be able to start till the first week of November. Is that OK? And thanks for the links you posted on my talk page -- I'll check them out now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuchsiab (talkcontribs) 14:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Take as much time as you like, I'm always around :) Oh and try to remember to sign your posts using four tildas, ~~~~. WormTT · (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Dave. I will make sure to sign my posts. B (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


If this is about Colofac‎: If he gets unblocked, I would be happy to assist him in making some blue links out of these: Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey Anna. I've not seen anything that links Colofac to Fuchsiab. As far as I'm concerned, B is a new editor. I am however willing to help Colofac, as I mentioned on his talk page - and would appreciate your help if he's interested in that area. WormTT · (talk) 14:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry. I'm watching Dexter's Lab and editing at the same time. I saw this, and then scanned the last post at this page. Pardon.
Anyway, in your role as mentor/adopter, you can always consider suggesting a happy trio of an editor in need, me, and the species redlink page I mentioned. We could make lovely articles together. Nice froggies, butterflies, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
If he's interested, then I am. What's more, I've been asked by mentees about what articles they should create in the past. I'll keep you in mind :D WormTT · (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


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Reliable Sources

Hi, is there a tag i can use to label unreliable and reliable sources? I only know {{citation needed}}. Thanks in advance Jenova20 12:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

{{rs}} perhaps? WormTT · (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Dave Jenova20 13:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Just a quick note to say I have made a few changes to User:Rcsprinter123/Peameal bacon, so if I put that live now would you still block me (to stop anyone else getting there first) over paraphrasing and things? Just popped by to ask as I think it's just about ready now. Rcsprinter (talk to me) 11:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would - there are still large sections which have similar sentance structure to the source, sometimes written in an unencyclopedic manner. If you want to write an article on peameal bacon, I suggest you blank the page (except maybe the info box) and start from scratch. WormTT · (talk) 11:08, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
If it helps, I'll blank it for you then delete all the previous revisions, to FORCE you to do it. WormTT · (talk) 11:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
No, please don't; I'm working on it! Rcsprinter (talkin' to me?) 11:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Then work on it throughly. I expect to see every section looking completely different. WormTT · (talk) 11:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


I'm actually checking it now and reading it. I actually just finished reading it but I'm re-reading it. JamesAlan1986 13:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not gonna be able to do anymore editing till the 29th as I'm not gonna be home. I'm going to my hometown to be with my brother while he's in surgery. I'll be back late on the 28th but I probably won't get back on till the 29th. I just wanted to let you know what's going on. Talk to you on the 29th. JamesAlan1986 18:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

New page patrolling

Hi Worm,

I'm here to ask a bit about new page patrolling.

  1. What kind of article would qualify for A7? I'm confused on that part whether it would be notable or not
  2. Does Spire Federal Credit Union look okay now? It was previously tagged as {{db-g11}} and was a copyvio; I rewrote it and added slightly-reliable sources.

By the way, 1906 Pensacola hurricane passed GA yesterday, which leaves only one article to go to good topic status! :) HurricaneFan25 15:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The best person to ask about NPP is User:Kudpung, who spends a lot of time on it. As for A7, have a read of User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Deletion which explains a bit there. I'll check out the articles as soon as I can :) WormTT · (talk) 16:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Join Usssss!

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Welcome to the club Dave Jenova20 09:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

That Jobs guy is not gonna be happy about this. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Lol - I knew you'd be happy, Jenova. I'm Switzerland here I'm afraid, I just need to install Linux somewhere and I'll have access to every major operating system on the market :D WormTT · (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I wonder if I can get Adwiii to make me a userbox which has a moving icon, saying "this user contributes with Android, and Windows, and iOS, and Linux, and MacOS, and ..." WormTT · (talk) 09:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with apple, i just don't like their business practices.
Windows appear to be adopting the same ones lately though unfortunately.
I have also just asked Adwii if he could make me Android userboxes customised to Gingerbread, Honeycomb and Ice Cream Sandwich because i'm that big of a nerd lol
Thanks Jenova20 09:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Large corporations are always going to make decisions that make them more money. It always comes down to the bottom line. Take the chaps from Innocent smoothies. Their brand was based on ethics and proper ingredients and so on and so forth. The moment that the brand was established well enough it was bought by The Coca-Cola Company. It's all about money in the end. So, you have the choice of going and sitting in a tent in front of St. Paul's Cathedral or accepting that as reality and buying the best product for you. I quite like what I'm seeing so far from the Archos 101, especially the price tag.WormTT · (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Cool, i hope that does it for ya!
I only just noticed it's a tablet lol. I have a Motorola Xoom and i find it can't edit Wikipedia because i can't scroll down far enough when editing.
Strange since my phones is the same...
And i did like innocent smoothies but i can't justify the price when Asda's own brand taste almost as good and are a quarter of the price...
Thanks Jenova20 11:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I think it's 2.1 at the moment, but it's just asked me to update the firmware. I'll let you know when I've done that. (I assume going from say 2.1 to 2.3 would require a fresh install, and 2.1 is still supported and being updated? Silly way of doing it if you ask me.) It's not actually a phone, it's an internet tablet, which focusses on media playing (Archos' speciallity), with a phone OS, odd really. Oh and I need a symbian phone and a blackberry to complete my collection too... WormTT · (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
And on the tablet - I have exactly the same problem. I mentioned it in the mobile user's survey recently - might be worth mentioning somewhere... bugzilla I think...WormTT · (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
It's a strange bug and stops me editing a lot of the time on WP after work.
Your tablet does sound weird, especially since it doesn't even have a tablet OS (3.0 >)
Mines a Motorola Xoom 3.1 and has an SD Card slot that doesn't actually work until my next update lol!
Am happpy they have announced i will get the 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich update though, it sounds amazing from the site.
Thanks Jenova20 12:08, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
It has hardware that doesn't work because the software is behind? Madness! Anyway, I picked up the tablet from HMV for £130, which seemed very reasonable. I really don't need a tablet, so it's an indulgence and I wasn't happy with spending £500+ on an iPad or even £300 odd on an android tablet. As I say, it all comes down to money :)
I just need to spend a little time now getting used to android and playing with all the features. I'm really looking forward to it, but there's so much I want to do with it! I haven't plugged it into my mac yet, I wonder if one or t'other will explode WormTT · (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I can't complain. Even without a working SD slot i still have 32GB and it has all my music and pictures without actually having used any storage space yet =P
MSpot Music can sync up your music without using storage space so you can play it on the tablet or phone when your computer is off, and Picasa can store your images and sync them between devices if you have an internet connection.
Again since this is not a tablet OS you have one or more of these may not be fully compatible.
I suppose you can't complain for what you paid?? =P
Thanks fellow nerdling Jenova20 12:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
With dropbox, bluetooth, Wifi and Gmail i don't really need the SD Card slot anyway, it would just be nice if it worked Jenova20 12:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I'm going to spend a little time trying to work out what I can and can't do. If there's too much I can't do, I understand that I can install Ångström linux... and I think that will open more doors but close others. Like you say, I'm not going to complain at that price. Since it wasn't expensive I won't complain terribly about fiddling with it, maybe jailbreaking or installing a different OS... I wonder if I can download iOS and force that on there, lol! WormTT · (talk) 12:38, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I remember seeing lots of modifications - even to dualboot some tablets with Android and Windows 7...never seen one for iOS though.
You could look into cyanogen mods if you really want to jailbreak it, i hear they've done extroadinary things with some android devices (including dualbooting and installing Windows)
Let me know what monstrosity you create with your Arcos if you go ahead with that =] Jenova20 12:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


Keep in mind when you update your Arcos it will wipe the memory and leave only what you have saved on your SD Card (if it has one).
Good luck with that though, the update from 2.1 to 2.3 is terrific and i have it myself on my Xperia X10.
Enjoy Jenova20 16:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Sort of related - Template:Did you know nominations/Google Android lawn statues --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Cool article, the picture is out of date though.
Thanks for that, it was interesting to read Jenova20 09:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I've since added a bit to the main article, just a little because it's only a small article.
Thanks Jenova20 09:24, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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LOL! I just told Zach I hadn't decided yet when you posted that LOL! I'm gonna leave it redirect for now and get back into the swing of things on here and then decide. JamesAlan1986 10:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Sven Manguard#Dispatches This might need an intervention. I don't know what's going on, I know I've talked to the user once before. But when someone writes "GET OFF MY PAGE" I don't think that's a good thing. JamesAlan1986 11:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps - I'm not a universal peacekeeper though. Sven is trying to remove people from his page that are discussing something at length that does not involve him. I'm not too worried at the moment, as they're all experienced editors who can ask for help if they need it. WormTT · (talk) 12:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, well I'm off for now. I don't why I just got up but I'm exhausted already. Thinking I'm gonna take a nap. Take it easy. JamesAlan1986 13:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Just found this. Err... thanks, I guess. Incidentally ResMar and I are doing fine now. I didn't ask, but SandyGeorgia and I are probably fine now too. Meh. These things happen. Sven Manguard Wha? 10:53, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

My brother

Hey, my brother's doing fine, he pulled out an hour after they finished the surgery. My mom kept saying "Of course he'd make a liar out of me." and I told her "Would you rather he pulled out faster then you thought or not at all?" but he's fine. I'm so glad. It was hard to see him in the hospital though all prepped for surgery. When my mom and my sister went out to go talk, I was talking to him and I told him how much I loved him and that I had worried about him all month and he took his good and and literally went and grabbed mine and held it. I almost cried. You see my brother is mentally 2 years old due to what my dad beating him in the head when he's 18 months old and so he's brain dead on the right side. So he's left side is completely paralyzed. But I wouldn't trade him for the world. That moment was the greatest I'd ever had with him. He was trying to comfort me. He even told me he was nervous. I am so happy he pulled out. But I'd thought I'd let you know he pulled out and he's doing good. I just heard from my mom and the group home that takes care told her he's doing good. JamesAlan1986 12:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother's ordeal, even with the good outcome from surgery. You must be such a comfort and strength for him and your mom. Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 04:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I wholly echo the sentiments of KW's post and I'm really glad to hear that things have gone well with the surgery. Remember to take care of yourself and family first and you shouldn't go too far wrong in this world. WormTT · (talk) 10:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Idiot's guide to IRC?

Hi David,

If the drafting happens at IRC, then would you or TParis post an idiot's guide to finding it? (Like an internet address. I installed a Mozilla IRC client.)

Thanks,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 04:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Events overtaken this post - but let me know if you ever want an introduction to IRC which isn't covered at WP:IRC. WormTT · (talk) 10:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


Hey Worm!

I'm ready to do my test! when you're ready, could you hand me the test so I can do it? ;) then again, you can take as looooooong as you want to, since I have a habbit of taking ages to complete something that is perhaps so easy :| What's even more hilarious, is that I want to run for administration in a year's time - huh who am I kidding? probably take me a decade to do a simple task ;) I'll try complete the copyright section of the test today, and not sometime in 2012, as you may think I'm heading at :P Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 04:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm ready for my test too. JamesAlan1986 04:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Really sorry to hear about the terrible ordeal your brother and, well your whole family have gone through, James. Having been in a simmilar position, it's always difficult to have someone close to you undergo surgery, whether it be minor surgery or major. Hope all is back on track for you and your family, always stay positive, and although we haven't really met properly, you talk to me whenever you like, I'm all ears. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 04:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
MelbourneStar - your test is ready and waiting here. Ricky, your test is ready and waiting here. Both, you don't need to leave me a message here - that's what your classroom is for! I've got it watchlisted, so I shouldn't miss it. WormTT · (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Talkpage lurker here. Ricky, glad to hear your brother made it OK through the surgery, I do know what it's like (my own kids have had surgeries following accidents), but you had the added worry of your brother's underlying health problems. Hope everything goes good now.
  • MelbourneStar, well done with the test (hope you don't mind me sneaking a peek) - copyright's a tricky area, it's good to take a cautious approach, and I wish more teachers would explain about copy/paste the way yours does. Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Elen of the Roads: Thanks. I'm glad too. It was a big worry that was for sure.
  • Worm: Got it. JamesAlan1986 15:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Sword of Good Faith


Hi WormTT,

You may have already gathered that I'm not really into barnstars and Wikipedia's praise economy. However, when I am particularly struck by the decency and humanity of an editor's actions in the face of stressful conflict, I feel compelled to disregard my aversion. On such occasions, I turn to the Sword of Good Faith, which I believe has an honorable history in representing the rare ability to rise above the fray, and appreciate that at the other end of the optical cables, there is another human being. Throughout the KW RfC, you have behaved with great personal integrity. I was saddened to receive the email that you posted here, but impressed that the very next day you turned to reconciliation. Such fortitude in staying true to the purpose of Wikipedia in the face of adversity is precisely what the Sword of Good Faith recognises and it is a pleasure for me to express that recognition here. Geometry guy 00:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Geometry guy for the kind words. Personal messages in such difficult situations are worth more than many people will realise, though I'm sure you understand their value. You have my gratitude. WormTT · (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


Hello. I hope you are willing to adopt me. I am an experienced Wikipedia, but rather worried about the quality of my articles. To my opinion they are okay, but not everybody agrees with that. Problem is, that I do not see what the problem is due to the fact that English is not my first language. Main fields of work now: Michelin starred restaurants and chefs (Ireland done, the Netherlands in progress), places/antiquities/tourist attractions in County Clare (ongoing), traditional singers and musicians of County Clare (recently started). By now I have 101 articles completed, you can find them on my userpage. Hope to hear soon! Night of the Big Wind talk 00:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


Is there anyway possible you can delete this? I had to revert the removal of the warning tags by another user. It's an orphaned image and it has no reliable source. I fear the person will come back and revert what I reverted and it's suppose to be deleted today anyway. JamesAlan1986 03:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Believe it or not, no. I should point out that the "other user" is an admin and has explained in the edit summaries why he's removed the tags. Basically, although record covers are usually covered, there's nothing there that is actually covered - it's just text and generic shapes, therefore there is not sufficient creativity to be copyrighted. It's an odd situation, but there you go. In future, do have a look at what the other editor says in the edit summaries - you may be wrong Face-wink.svg - and reverting over and over is never a good idea. WormTT · (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Well it got tagged again by a bot as an orphaned photo because it's not being used it has no reason to be on Wikipedia does it? JamesAlan1986 17:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit Warring between projects

Hi, how do we sort out edit wars between different projects? It appears a tad more complicated than random edit warring since both sides are using "valid" arguments and policies. Thanks Jenova20 12:54, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring is never the right way to sort things out, but if it's a mass bunfight - protect the page while it gets sorted out. WormTT · (talk) 12:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I agree, it's not...but there was edit warring on abortion articles from Wikiproject Conservatism and now they're doing it to others in the LGBT project and may also be behind tagging multiple Pink News sources as AFDs (confirmed now as someone connected to Conservatism Wikiproject).
Both parties claim a bias, both parties are edit warring.
So i just need to protect the page and encourage a discussion?
Thanks Jenova20 14:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
If there's a page which is the target of the edit war, yes, that's the best idea. Ask for it to be protected for a day or so to force discussion, maybe start an RfC (being as neutral as possible of course) if there is a specific issue. What pages are we talking about by the way? WormTT · (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Looking at the edits of the user in question - I don't see a massive issue. The tags he's put down seem reasonable, there's little or no information on those articles, so notability tags seem fine. The prod was wrong, and was removed quickly. The articles can be improved... WP:SOFIXIT! WormTT · (talk) 14:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Pray the Gay Away?
Thanks for clearing up the bit about the news sources.
I did say something on the project page about them being stubs.
Thanks Jenova20 14:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Indeed you did, I think the project has the right idea in that they want to improve the articles. WormTT · (talk) 14:27, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


[1]. So you are aware. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Elen. WormTT · (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

2011 WikiCup participation

Awarded to Worm That Turned, who reached round 2 in the 2011 WikiCup.

It was good to have you on board this time around- we hope you enjoyed the competition! In case you are interested, signups for next year are open. Thanks, J Milburn and The ed17 20:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Ely, Cambridgeshire

Hi. I (User:Senra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) was browsing around and saw your name in this list. You were the only adopter who mentioned geography and admitted to living in the UK. 'Tag'. You are it! Actually I'm not looking to be adopted. Just looking for some guidance from a topic experienced editor. I am interested in taking Ely, Cambridgeshire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) through the full review process; to FA if I can eventually get it there.

I have only had one FA (Little Thetford) which was an almost solo effort although I have contributed to other articles such as these and these. However, Ely has other editors, including IP's, so it will be more difficult (for me). Are you able to provide guidance? Perhaps by finding a suitable editor to give feedback? Perhaps help me to collaborate better, especially because of this entire page and this altercation but also my failed attempts at collaboration here, here and here :(? Any help or guidance would be appreciated. May the source be with you --Senra (Talk) 01:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Big Brother 2012

I left a message on the TalkPage for you on that article for you but I just wanted to add that I did use the talk page and left an extremely valid reason for editing the article like I did. The other two either failed to read it or did not fully understand the guidelines that were clearly outlined there for them. I am relatively new here but almost every-time I made a change I left full comments on the TalkPage detailing my rational which the other two chose to ignore. In my eyes the guidelines clearly were in favor of my changes and further discussion, approval, or consensus was needed. MelbourneStar was the one who seemed to act on impulse without examining the ordeal objectively before he/she acted. (talk) 10:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, you were all as bad as each other, all passing the 3RR bright line on a disagreement. Discussion is key and edit warring should not happen. WormTT · (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm so close...


  • Being blocked.
  • Retiring.
  • Burying my head in the ground.

Yes, I'm once again officially in a stupid dispute, that is going knowhere. I'm stressed. I'm annoyed. I need a long break. An Ip, continues to remove content from an article, Big Brother Australia 2012 claiming that it's rumurs. The content has two sources. Two reliable ones. One source, for example, is owned by the network that is airing the show - when I mean network, one of Australia's top-3 television channels. I don't know how to say this, but I'm really, really, pissed off, and not ammused at all. At this IP, and frankly, myself.

Somehow, given to how many times this has happened, this will have me blocked, and lead to my immediate diminish here at Wikipedia.

Removal of Content. Sourced content. I have reverted a number of times, as I think it's vandalism. Yes there was an edit summary, and yes I had asked atleast 5 times to the IP to use the talk page, and not to remove the content without the community reponding. But no, keeps on persisting.

What do I do, Worm, what do I do?! this keeps happening, over and over, feel like I'm running around in circles. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks like you already reached me first. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I'd already protected the article before you posted this, and I'm annoyed with all three of you. Edit warring is not the solution. If you're pissed off, walk away, take a break for an hour. If you have a problem with an editor, use the dispute resolution techniques that are suggested by wikipedia. Don't fight, there's no point. WormTT · (talk) 09:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
3RR violation? Are you serious? S/he removed encyclopedic content, and kept on doing it, what was I supposed to do? S/he surpassed their 4th level warning and a 3RR. And please, suggest something other than walking away. That obviously doesn't seem to be working well. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 10:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
How about... not reverting? Being the bigger man? There is no deadline, you could have waited for or gained consensus. This was not vandalism - it was a content dispute and therefore not exempt from edit warring. I gave all parties who violated 3RR a warning while you all deserved a block. As for other things you can do, a request for comment? Reporting it to WP:ANEW? Some other relevant board? A relevant wikiproject? Perhaps leaving a note on my page BEFORE it all went tits up? Yes, there were lots of different things you could have done and walking away isn't the only one. WormTT · (talk) 10:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
That's great. Really. ehhh just look at me now. Drowning in my own disastrous mess. And I want to become an Administrator? What a joke. What a complete and utter waste of thinking space - when reality is, If I ever were to become an Admin - I'd bloody block myself whilst I'm at it. I'm heading face-first down a slippery slope. Only a matter of time before someone ends this great experience for me. Everything is just going messy. The real world and the internet world for me is somehow crumbling down. I'm losing all the things I once believed in, and feel my time is just a waste.
Take a long glance at my contributions - and you will see. I have had so many disputes, it's unbelievable - with Vandals; Ips; newbies; established editiors; and my fair share of administrators! where am I going with this? I don't know. I'm starting to believe my own contributions are just plain vandalism!
That warning you've placed on my wall. I won't remove it. It's true. Well if it's coming from an established editor, it must be. As of now I refuse to call myself an established editor, I'm a long shot from it.
So, Dave, up to you, whenever at your own discretion, do what you've got to do. Entitled to it, with the rights. :)
"MelbourneStar was the one who seemed to act on impulse without examining the ordeal objectively before he/she acted." - good quote, deserves to be in a scrapbook. Couldn't have said it any better, myself. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 10:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, you may not be ready to be an administrator right now, but that doesn't mean you won't ever be. Yes, you get in disputes, but that just means you're passionate about the topic. If you can keep your head and follow wikipedia's dispute resolution methods, there's no reason you can't do very well, especially if you're learning from each dispute. I think you'll find that the community is very forgiving of individuals who learn from their mistakes, I doubt you'll be removed from the community any time soon.
Do consider taking a short wikibreak, maybe for a week? It might well help. WormTT · (talk) 11:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
My reply is in a message I've just sent you. Eat something before you read it, it will make you tired. Speaking of tired, I am tired, better go to sleep. Wonderful school awaites me tommorow morning, Goodnight. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 12:16, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I've read it, and will reply presently. Get yourself to sleep and read my reply in the morning. Rest is good :D WormTT · (talk) 12:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I can see you got my message, and thank you for the archiving, really appreciate it. :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 11:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Indeed I have, and I've replied - I've also removed the protection on the BB article as I think all three of you have indicated you agree on what was being warred over. If you want anything else, let me know. WormTT · (talk) 11:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

This is Josh

This is Ricky's (JamesAlan1986's) boyfriend and I'm sorry but I don't blame him for it. It was not right and unfair for what they did. I saw everything and even I was offended by the comment and that's why he got upset. I'd appreciate it if you would respect what he ask and put a permanent block on his account. I don't want him on a site like that. I don't even like going to Wikipedia for information as half of it's false, untrue or base off personal opinions. That's why when I want to get information on say, Reba McEntire, I go to cause I don't trust Wikipedia to tell me anything. I'm sorry but that's my personal opinion and before you blow up on him maybe you should realize he has a reason for what he did. I'm sorry but will you please put a permanent block his account. He don't need that stuff. He's got enough with other people starting crap between him and his best friend. He sadly only gets on to help Wikipedia. He won't go on social networks due to the drama that people cause him and his friend. He felt safe on Wikipedia and he felt he was doing something good. He enjoyed it until that comment. And I'm sorry but it was offensive. But I just wanted you to see my point view too and understand I don't want him on here anymore. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --- Joshua Hayden

Worm, I've blocked the above account indefinitely as a potentially compromised account. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
For your efforts to resolve a delicate situation quickly, quietly and with good faith. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi Worm!

Sorry to bother you, yet again, but I've just created a new BLP. It's Said Shavershian, older brother of Aziz Shavershian. Anyway, the favor is, can you have a look at it, maybe even edit things or correct sp/grammer etc? Also, most importantly, put it on your Watchlist. What I'm concerned is, Aziz's article cops a lot of Vandalism - And I'll put money to it, that Said's most definately will. I'm at school tommorow (not by choice :/ ) so it would be good if there were editors ready just incase of vandalism. Thank you and have a good day :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 12:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I already get more vandalism on my watchlist than I want for that Aziz article. Blast you! It's added... WormTT · (talk) 18:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Worm, I've officially got bigger problems than Vandalism. An IP has accused me (falsely) of being a sock -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, was vandalism. Oh everyday I'm on this, the more interesting things get :D -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
You chose to write an article on a 4chan superstar, I'm surprised you didn't paint a target on your forehead and start jumping up and down. Face-wink.svg WormTT · (talk) 09:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of diligence...

User_talk:Colofax, an editor that you volunteered to mentor ... to which he advised you to "fuck yourself" has requested unblock, and determined that you will be his mentor. I'm pretty sure that ship already sailed, but you might wish to comment there ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I've had worse said to me. I'd like to see his response to my questions before I agree to mentorship. WormTT · (talk) 12:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I suppose you noticed

[2] and subsequent. It was still on my watchlist. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed I did. I always expected him to carry on sounding off at that location even though it's closed, but I haven't got time for it any more. I've moved on, got better things to do. If KW wants to talk to me, he can come to talk to me. If someone else takes it further, then I'll comment further but I'm quite happy dismissing the noise as beneath me. WormTT · (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Seems the wisest option. Macbeth Act V Scene V and all that. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Amazing how there's always an appropriate quote from the bard! Yes, I believe that sums up my thoughts. WormTT · (talk) 12:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard task force

Hi Worm That Turned,

Since you were a part of the WikiGuides project, I thought I'd give you a heads-up about a new way you can help/mentor newbies on we've recently released a feature called the Feedback Dashboard, a queue that updates in real time with feedback and editing questions from new registered contributors who have attempted to make at least one edit. Steven Walling and I are putting together a task force for experienced Wikipedians who might be interested in monitoring the queue and responding to the feedback: details are here at Wikipedia:Feedback Dashboard. Please sign up if you're interested in helping out! Thanks, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Iron Age pig

Actually, I think (as a non-expert), that it is a breed, or hoping to become one, but it is not an extinct one. Not much to go on in the article. Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean, though it's quite an unhelpful article on specifics. I guess I'll have to see what the book is talking about - will have a snoop at the library. WormTT · (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


An article I've been working on, Hurricane Cindy (1959), is pretty much as comprehensive as it can get already. I've also requested a copyedit. Any suggestions on how to bring this to FA? Thanks. :)

HurricaneFan25 14:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The person to talk to is Hink, he's got a few featured articles under his belt, the whole process is rather daunting to me! As I understand it, the best thing to do is a Peer Review and then onto WP:FAC WormTT · (talk) 14:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I've fixed all of hink's comments on my talk page; it's at peer review now! HurricaneFan25 18:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Moving threads

In my opinion some of the threads are getting a bit long here and could be moved to the talk page. It's been done before. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Glad to see this has been done, I was unwilling since I'd commented on the RfA. WormTT · (talk) 14:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Articles in other editors userspace

Editable or uneditable or just frowned upon? Thanks Dave Jenova20 09:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Depends on the situation. Going straight in and fiddling is frowned upon, but talking to the user first and making suggestions/asking to collaborate is look upon very well. Also depends on your history with the user. So, whilst most people could edit the article in your userspace due to you mentioning it at the wikiproject, I'd expect users with whom you'd never be able to collaborate to steer clear. WormTT · (talk) 09:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Okedokie, thanks Dave =] Jenova20 10:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
It was an article on alternate therapies/coversion therapy that mention only possible benefits and no criticism, nothing about there being no supporting or scientific evidence for it working, nothing about high rate of suicides and self harming caused by said therapy, or even that it is disowned by every major health body in the Western world.
Just small details like that Dave. Thanks Jenova20 10:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
While it's in the user space, it may yet have criticism added. Watchlist it, if they put it live, then deal with it. If they don't work on it for a significant period (say a year), perhaps nom for deletion under WP:STALEDRAFT WormTT · (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Okedokie, thanks for the response Jenova20 16:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


Talk:Discrimination is currently expanding on the featured types of discrimination to political discrimination. Can i ask you to be a fourth opinion since i can't close the debate and appear to be prolonging it? Thanks Dave Jenova20 13:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


Ooh - you're quick!. I'll do it meself next time! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

You're quicker... by about 2 minutes! WormTT · (talk) 09:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


I didn't realise you worked in Liverpool - hope to see you here :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed I do - after about an hour commute! Hopefully see you then. WormTT · (talk) 10:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy your momentary victory

Because I will reclaim it swiftly. >:3

Though I do think it's a little cheap that you can add infoboxes that take 10-20 seconds or so to add and in a few minutes have made more points than I did for making a fully referenced article that took a few hours to make. :/ SilverserenC 01:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I know I know. I will have a few decent articles soon too - but I've just been too busy to do it. I will retain my cup, I'll have you know :D but I felt cheap putting them on there... hence the edit summary of "Sorry". Oh and 10 or 20 seconds? It took me 4 hours!!! WormTT · (talk) 08:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


Ping! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Your recall process

Hey Worm, I just noticed that you added your recall process and I wanted to make one comment. I was still not a very good Wikipedian at 500 edits and I know there are some other editors (remember User:Since 10.28.2010?) who do not know enough about Wikipedia at that many edits to initiate a recall process. It is totally your decision, but I would increase it to 1000 edits and 3 months, or have some requirement that another administrator endorse it. Not that I really expect you to be put up for recall. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I used to have know someone on WP called Ryan Vesey... I'm sure. ;) Good to see you again. I've been thinking about the best way to go for recall. Many editors look for an RfC, or a reverse RfA or other methods. Some nominate specific people. I'd rather be quite open and allow a number of people to get together and say they want me recalled. If a sizeable portion of the community (and yes, 10 is big enough) think I should remove my tools - I will. I do on the other hand have a get out clause - if a equal or larger portion of the community think I should stay, I will take those views too... the counter petition. I'm pretty happy with the criteria I've set - if anything I think they're a little too high, but I would welcome any further feedback (that includes you, you talk page stalker)!WormTT · (talk) 15:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
The out does seem to be pretty good. Don't worry, I'll be the first to sign the anti-recall petition if it ever gets to that point, and considering this, I don't think you'd ever have a problem finding a few other signatures unless you go rouge. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'd hope that if I did anything worthy of de-sysop, I'd step down. I don't think it's likely that I'd go off the rails! Face-smile.svg WormTT · (talk) 15:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Who knows, maybe you will want to be forever enshrined in the village stocks. Ryan Vesey Review me!
Er, what's this about stepping down, Worm? I think you're a very good admin. Can you elaborate a bit more on who these people are that would like you to lose your tools and their reasons for it? I don't beieve you've done anything wrong as an admin, and, as Ryan Vesey said, judging by the number of people who wanted you to get the tools on your RfA, I'm pretty sure the anti-recall petition would prevail. Rcsprinter (state) 16:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, there is no actual recall, Worm just posted what his process would be if anyone ever wanted him to step down. Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Who said anything about me stepping down? I just thought it was a good time to formalize a method to allow users who believe I have done wrong to say so. I'm hoping it'll never be needed, but I'm happy to have one. Have a read on my userpage. WormTT · (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Ah, OK. Small misunderstanding on my part there. :) Rcsprinter (chat) 17:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Cheeseburger.png Everything's resolved. I hope all is forgiven. Sorry for the mix-up. Belugaboycup of tea? 16:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Nothing to forgive, it's all a learning experience and these things happen ;) WormTT · (talk) 16:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

A small cup of coffee.JPG Hey WTT you probably already saw but just a quick thanks for watching my back :) User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 16:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
No probs, simple misunderstanding, best it was nipped in the bud. WormTT · (talk) 17:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh and talking of editing , ive noticed that a fair handfull of users have custom coded their talk page, so when another user clicks add section above the text box ,it says like NOTE read this before editing or click here if you have any complaints or something of that effect. How do you do this? User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 22:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

That's the page notice. If you click "Edit", you should see the word "page notice" in the top right. click on that, and you can edit it :) WormTT · (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


Gracias. 28bytes (talk) 04:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

No problems. WormTT · (talk) 04:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you from me too. :) Acalamari 10:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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Change text colour

Hi Dave, how to i change the colour of text on WP?
I tried <blue></blue> already but i'm out of ideas now.
Thanks Jenova20 15:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Try <font color="orange"></font> --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Elen! Jenova20 16:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
If you want a fancy colour, use the hex code eg <font color="#F0F"></font>--Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Cheers Elen. Should of course mention that it shouldn't be done within articles without a good reason. Per something in that massive WP:MOS. WormTT · (talk) 09:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, i just wanted to know so i could liven up my favourite quotes and maybe the rest of my userpage.
I had no intention of using it in articles.
Thanks both of you Jenova20 10:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Well... if it helps... have a look at your signature for a few other colours. WormTT · (talk) 11:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Will do! Thanks Jenova20 11:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Shows own channel's media outlet - "Unreliable"

Hi Worm,

Haven't surpassed 3RR - not even 1RR - but I would just like to point out before I do somehow slip on my keyboard and revert, that the same IP has removed sourced content on the Big Brother Australia article - once again, claiming it's unreliable. I, on the other hand disagree. The news outlet that has this information, ( just so happens to be owned by the Nine Network...who - oh wait a second - Just so happen to also be the owners of Big Brother Australia. His/her revert of my edit is here, please have a look. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 07:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


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Hi Worm. I'm wondering if you can provide me some information regarding the guidelines for reverting changes made to articles and edit summaries. I recently came across a revert that was preformed by MelbourneStar to the Big Brother Australia article. The edit that was reverted did not include an edit summary but had he or she taken a few extra moments to review the edit would have noticed that it was virtually the same information that was involved in the edit war on the 2012 page. I think for the betterment of articles that he/she is reviewing that taking a few extra steps before labeling an edit malicious/vandalism or even reverting should be taken as not everything is as it appears. It is fairly simple to edit an article but not everyone (including myself) is aware of all the steps required when they make an edit but it is way to easy to assume that just because something looks suspicious at first glance that it actually is. Could you provide a little guidance here? MelbourneStar is obviously in a position of power here and I'm afraid from the outside it looks like he/she might be riding the wave of a little power trip here. (talk) 08:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I've substituted a Vandalism templ. with a Removal of Content templ. Barring that, It's "He", and I better let everyone remove content w/out edit summaries etc. because I don't want to look like I'm "riding a wave of power". That, right there, is such a repulsive thing to say to someone who takes pride in editing. You don't know me, clearly, if you are insinuating such thing. I did not blast the editor for removing content, rather I simply warned them. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I never said it was acceptable to remove content without an edit summary so please don't put words in my mouth. However I accept that mistakes are made in the editing process and that I would rather look at the entire picture before I start jumping to conclusions. I've received a few of your warnings myself and they do seem to come across in a fairly negative and accusational fashion especially when you openly admit that you are basing your actions solely on the fact that an edit summary hasn't been provided. We all take pride in the work we do but I fail to see where there is any pride in making hasty judgements before looking at the bigger picture. (talk) 08:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Wait, sorry I forgot. Only some people are allowed to make mistakes, not others. I must be part of that some. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Both, I'm now looking into this situation, can you give me a few without biting each other's heads off? WormTT · (talk) 08:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
No worries but again MS fails to see the point being made here. Can you also clarify for me what position MelbourneStar holds exactly and how they are even able to issue warnings in the first place? (talk) 09:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
What, you didn't read Worm's Edit Summary? -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Right. Let's look at the behaviour first. I'd like to thank you both for not going nuts with an edit war, you've both handled the situation much better than last time. I'm hoping you can both carry on keeping calm and remembering that you are both trying to improve things (as are the other IPs around the article).

  • What position does MelbourneStar hold? He's an editor, like you and me. He doesn't hold higher authority and for that matter, no do I on content disputes. If he sees behaviour which is not appropriate for Wikipedia, he can leave a warning to prevent the need for a block. As can you, or I. On content, consensus is key so getting uninvolved voices to help work out an agreement is a good idea.
  • On Vandalism, I haven't seen any - and MelbourneStar, the vandalism warning was inappropriate. I see you managed to give it with using twinkle, an automated tool, and have since corrected the mistake. I also see that you've since corrected the mistake and whilst I urge you to take more care in future, I'm not too worried about it. Remember, vandalism is a loaded word here - you're effectively comparing an edit to "Huh huh John's Mum is SSOOOO FAAATTTT", which is quite an insulting thing to do to an editor who is trying to improve the encyclopedia. The word "Vandalism" should be reserved for edits which are clearly trying to cause harm to the encyclopedia.
  • On warnings in general, they're templates, and may not say the best thing in the situation - however, they have had a lot of thought put into them to be draw the right balance between being welcoming and discourage the unproductive behaviour. It's a good idea to ensure they're saying what you mean though.
  • On edit summaries, please do try to use them - they make things a lot clearer as to the intention behind your edit and can stop disagreements. They're not mandatory, but they are helpful.
  • On the source. Well, I'm not familiar with the source myself, being on the other side of the world. One of the key factors of reliability is independence of the subject, so the fact that a news outlet is publishing information about a program with the same parent corporation does ring alarm bells. I'm not saying that they're unreliable, but I am saying that editors should proceed with caution when using them. The Reliable Source Noticeboard will be able to help you further.
  • On the content. In my opinion, it's pretty irrelevent, but at the same time it's not doing much harm. I could take it or leave it and if it ends up with a big disagreement we'll all end up at the hall of "lame". If pushed, I'd say leave it out, under WP:CRYSTAL - Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. It's on the borderline, as I'm sure it will move, but Wikipedia shouldn't report every little announcement to a change of tv show, especially when it's subject to change.

I hope that covers everything, but feel free to ask questions! WormTT · (talk) 09:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Does cover everything, and thank you for your time. Hopefully this has cleared up a dispute that could have been avoided on both sides. Anyway, I won't even try revert; but Worm, could you please tell me what this is? because assuming what this policy means, Removal of Content w/out an edit summary comes under the scope of Vandalism. I'm most likely wrong - but just to be sure -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 10:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
That very policy is the reason I'm not lambasting you for using the "V" word - the important point is what is being blanked, not the lack of edit summary. It says that Removing all or significant parts of a page's content without any reason is vandalism. So, yes the edit summary is an issue, but in a 52k article, would you really say that three lines is a significant part? I'd probably not, but again it depends on which three lines. If you disagree with the removal, it's something that should be discussed at the talk page, I've given my point of view and I'd be happy to give it there too if you like. WormTT · (talk) 10:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I swear I look at policies, and only see what I want to see. Selectiving-seeing? Anyway, up to you whether or not you take it to the BB article talk page - On my side of things it's been cleared. An editor removed content without an edit summary, that's why we're here really in the first place. I think everything has been discussed on the removal - anything else would be unnecessary because, "I get it". Again, thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 10:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
That's how the world works - people read things and put their own slant on them. It's a skill to be self aware enough to know that you're doing it. You're not the only one to do it, but do be careful with that V word... WormTT · (talk) 10:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you this was exactly the clarification I was looking for and I just hope this time the point gets through to MelbourneStar as I still don't think they fully understand why this was brought up in the first place. It was the way he/she went about reverting edits and less about what was actually contained within the article itself. As you explained while Edit summaries are helpful and expected they are not mandatory and the lack of one is not always equal to bad or naughty behavior. I believe MelbourneStar was under the impression that the lack of a edit summary was inexcusable and was therefore reverting articles based solely on that fact without any other form of review. This wasn't really a "content dispute" as I was under the impression that was all cleared up the last time I was just seeking clarification on what steps should be taken before an article is reverted should an edit lack an explanation as some of MelbourneStars actions seemed a little hasty. Hopefully we are all on the same page now. (talk) 10:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Clarification? you mean straight out say you have an issue with my edits. We were here because you had an issue with the way I handle things. Yes, all on the same page now. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 10:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
What I am saying is that you should at the very least look at what is being removed first before you label something vandalism or at least ask for some sort of clarification just like Worm said. Edit summaries are expected but not mandatory as you put it Worm and I'm more than happy continue to discuss the source material in question on the BB talk page if it is really that important (I thought this was all cleared up the last time?). As I explained before MelbourneStar I'm still fairly new here. I wasn't sure what the guidelines regarding edit summaries were exactly or what one could consider "vandalism" so yes I was seeking clarification. Your behavior yes was what lead me to seek such clarification and was used as an example. You didn't seem to understand the point I was trying to make so I thought perhaps bringing Worm in to mediate could be helpful. I think what you fail to see is that there was a problem with the way you handle things. (talk) 11:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
And I'm glad that we are all entitled to our own opinions. But let me make this clear, and chrystal clear it is: I couldn't care less, what you think - especially regarding myself. Whatever has happened; has happened. I think I had the right intentions - No, I know I had the right intentions - if you can't respect that, that is your problem, not mine. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 11:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I think it'd be a good idea we moved on now. I have reviewed MelbourneStar's recent contributions and he doesn't appear to be abusing vandalism templates, and has admitted his behaviour in this case was incorrect. The policy in question hangs on the word "significant" - which is open to interpretation. Let's just let things lie. On another note,, have you considered getting an account? There's no requirements to doing it, but it have some benefits, being able to use automated tools and other gadgets, create pages, and hide the fundraising banners are a couple that appear from the top of my head. WormTT · (talk) 11:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
MelbourneStar you can justify your actions all you like but it's pretty clear you did not have the right intentions and for the sake of not wanting to repeat myself for the thousandth time this morning I'll save you yet another explanation. This is yet another example of: "MelbourneStar was the one who seemed to act on impulse without examining the ordeal objectively before he/she acted." Just because I'm a n00b doesn't make my point any less valid. You need to take a more objective approach to things. No Edit Summary is not always equal to "bad" behavior and does not automatically mean you should hit revert. That is what you fail to see here. (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh please, you are full of blame for everyone else, but yourself. Last time I checked, I'm most definately entitled to make mistakes. Not everyone here is as perfect as you'd like them to be, so I will apologise for that, and nothing else. You may think I'm wrong, but the difference is, I know your wrong. You just can't say no. Always the last word. Good luck to you, if you are already having disputes with other editors. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 11:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Worm I probably will get an account very soon for those very reasons. (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Enough - MelbourneStar has admitted he made a mistake, accusations regarding his intentions are not helpful. Drop this, both of you and get on with something productive. WormTT · (talk) 11:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I know you...

Dave! It was great to meet you yesterday! Thanks for making the long trek out, and hope I'll see you again soon IRL (not just on the wikis) :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Can I get a ruling?

So, since both WP:N and WP:NSPORT are "Notability Guidelines" that have been decided by community consensus, an article that meets one of the requirements given in NSPORT is considered notable even if it doesn't meet WP:GNG, correct? Then the only way for the article to be deleted would be to get consensus to change NSPORT? Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's difficult to say without a little more context, but I'll go for the hypothetical. If Jimbo Jones is a rugby player from a 2nd league club, but gets called up for an international friendly match say? Unlikely anything will have been written about him, so he wouldn't pass GNG - but he does pass one of the NSPORT criteria - technically. Should the article be deleted under notability? Possibly - if there are no sources, what can you write? What can be verifiably added to such an article? Remember it's a BLP - so we should be strict on what we're adding or not. There's quite a few factors involved - community discussion is key. WormTT · (talk) 10:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
What Worm says. Yes, he will pass, but you must find a source for the BLP. The theory behind the guidelines is that it is likely that someone who plays at international level, competes in the Olympics etc will gather sufficient comment over time to pass GNG, but the requirement to have RS for BLP trumps the 'over time' aspect. However, local news sources will pass muster for BLP, so if the chap has been interviewed for the Kilkenny Herald, that would be sufficient. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
For whatever reason, the theory almost always seems to work. I found an example of an Armenian skiier who competed in the Winter Olympics once, with a truly dismal record - only entered two races, failed to finish one and was disqualified in the other (or something like that). I'd tagged it for notability and was about to AfD it, but when I did Google searches I found there were at least half a dozen examples of significant coverage of her in reliable sources.
(That's a separate case, of course, from people who become famous because of their dismal record, like Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards of whom Wikipedia's article says "his lack of success endeared him to people all across the globe. The worse he did, the more popular he became"). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Big Brother Australia 2012

Replied to your comment on MY talk page. Bbmaniac (talk) 12:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the Barnstar! Now I just want to give you one!! Which one do you deserve?...hmm, I will be watching your actions very closely so I can do the honour of presenting you one! Thanks again, mate! Look forward to working with you in future! Bbmaniac (talk) 11:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
It's tough working with new editors - and since you're actually keeping the good faith up (which is difficult in this situation), you wholly deserve it. WormTT · (talk) 11:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Input requested

WT:New editor feedback#Proposed office hours. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleting a page

Hi Dave, how can i quickly delete a page i created by accident? I created a redirect page MAZDA 121 (UK) and moved it to Mazda 121 (UK) but the original still exists and it's not causing any harm, but it is unnecessary. Thanks Jenova20 11:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd say that fits under WP:CSD#G7 and WP:CSD#R3 so you ask me nicely. Skidoosh. WormTT · (talk) 11:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Dave =]
It appears user sub-pages are exempt?
That's a shame as i moved a page connected to my 3rd project and wanted the old one deleted.
I still added the notice anyway and have crossed my fingers.
Thanks and have a nice day! Jenova20 12:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
It was User:Jenova20/List of Technologies in Civilization III that i moved to User:Jenova20/List of Civilization III Technologies (which i think sounds better).
Thanks Jenova20 12:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
pretty much anything in your userspace can be deleted per WP:CSD#U1... I'll look at that one for you. WormTT · (talk) 12:33, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, i think i've put the right tag on the page Jenova20 12:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for not just telling me how to properly delete articles but also by doing the work aswell! You earned this Dave! Jenova20 12:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Ha! thank you :D WormTT · (talk) 12:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Future of the US Education Program and the Ambassador Project

There is a discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Wikipedia Ambassador Project here. Voceditenore (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


Hello again. Bbmaniac recently informed me that he edited my request for an outside admin to review a block of conversation in the deletion discussion stating that my actions were biased. This has raised several red flags for me. As I am not here 24 hours a day I wonder what else he has "edited" in the discussion and the validity of "overwhelming support" he has received. Jschro (talk) 00:39, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Just one last thing

Sorry for bothering you, I just want one more opinion from you as a Wikipedia admin if that's OK? I've edited a 'notice for uninvolved admins' on the Big Brother Australia 2012 deletion page because Jschro was asking for them to review only a certain section of the whole discussion in a light which I personally think is bias. I don't know if I was right in changing the message in that the uninvolved admin notified was to review the ENTIRE discussion, but I've been quite shocked by a message left on my wall by Jschro which seems to be written in an escalated tone which I think is quite rude. Would you be able to check it out on my talk page for your opinion? Bbmaniac (talk) 04:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if you're aware

Of this one where your sound / helpful advice is referred to as "sanctimonious needling". Pesky (talkstalk!) 12:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I saw it. Remember, he has every right to remove the message (which could be taken as a warning). He was never going to like the message, and I know he's read and understood (if not agreed with) it. If he carries on being uncivil, despite the RfC and the despite the fact he's been warned, discussions ANI or Arbcom will be required. WormTT · (talk) 12:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, removing the message is of course entirely within his rights. Sadly, though, the edit summary isn't showing any willingness at all to accept that there is an issue, let alone to address it. This is all very sad. Pesky (talkstalk!) 12:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe, but I'd rather he was given a fair chance to change... even if he doesn't outright say that he will. WormTT · (talk) 12:41, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2011 ArbCom elections!

Hello, Worm That Turned. On behalf of the volunteer coordinators, I'd like to welcome you to the elections. It looks like all your pages and disclosures are in order, but if you need assistance with any of the paperwork/technical issues or with behaviour around your election pages, be sure to get in touch. Good luck! Skomorokh 13:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Skomorokh, glad to know there's help out there! WormTT · (talk) 13:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
So you've finally decided you're running? You have my vote! :) HurricaneFan25 14:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know anyone else realised I was thinking it over! Yes. I've decided to run, I think I've got a lot to offer. Just got to get through the questions :) Thanks for the support! WormTT · (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your sacrifice and good luck. :P I think you would make a very competent arbitrator. wctaiwan (talk) 14:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Can you please check the information on your row in the table on Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2011/Candidates/Guide? Feel free to correct any mistakes or fill in any missing information. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ours (song)

Can you close this discussion a consensus has been reached on it to keep the article and has turned more into an argument then what meets wiki standards. Thank you. User talk:RickyBryant45324 05:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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I didn't even suspect that

Tony Tan Keng Yam is Simon Chesterman's father-in-law. Surely someone can now see that my concerns about COI weren't overblown? elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 18:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Elle. I never once said your concerns about COI weren't overblown. In fact, if you look back at the RfC you'll see that I agreed your article work was up to scratch and that no sanction was required. However, I did believe that you were using the admin tools whilst involved, which is why I put forward the recall request. What's more, they entire "punishment of COI by adding negative information" comment was problematic - the person who really suffers there is the subject of the article. I'm not saying we should allow COI, but that is about the worst way of handling it. WormTT · (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Campaign manager

I see you've decided to run despite my dire warnings :) What you need now is a really good campaign manager, and a great slogan. Sadly Vote for me or the ankles get it is taken though. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

"It is all about content" would be an excellent slogan right now. Geometry guy 01:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Go the opposite way and win with a crazy slogan Dave =]
No one remembers the dull ones[1][2]
Jenova20 12:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Elen, yes, I'm probably a fool, but I think I'd be a positive addition! You're right, I probably could do with a campaign manager, or even a campaign! Any volunteers? I better get on and start printing flyers for people to ignore...
Geometry guy - I think "It is all about content" would be quite hypocritcal, since I seem to have done sod all regarding content in months. I'm not sure I even agree it... content should be our first goal, yes, but not our only one.
I guess the best one for me would be "Worm That Turned - trying to help"... but it's cheesy and boring. Perhaps "Vote for me or find out which worms have teeth" :D WormTT · (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Do the Worm and vote for a Dave!
  • Vote for me, it's FREE! =P[3]
  • "I am going to wring my opponents neck as soon as I get a chance. " (personal favourite) Jenova20 14:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
  • You could borrow Darwinbish's sarong and have "Vote for me, I'm an asset in a net." Srsly, I do think you would be a positive inclusion - you can take that as an endorsement:) Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks Elen. I appreciate that. I see the many of the candidates this year as being rather good, so I won't be disappointed if I don't get in, but I'm very pleased about the support I've been given. WormTT · (talk) 15:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi David,
There are many good candidates. You might consider volunteering as a clerk or continuing with RfA reform, also. Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Kiefer.Wolfowitz. Been a little while. Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'll carry on in the election for the time being. I think I can add value to the committee, and have had strong support from a number of quarters. I don't think I'd be a very good clerk, if I'm honest - though I think Wizardman's advice is very sensible, should I not make the grade. I do intend to carry on at RfA reform either way, though I will have to put certain other projects on the back burner. WormTT · (talk) 15:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Some references :P

Current RfA

Hi Dave. Can you or someone do something about this? I don't see any need for it to continue. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Advertising or well written?

Recreational vehicle has this section - "Good Sam Club" Now is that blatant advertising or on the borderline? I feel it's really pushing advertising in myself but need a second opinion. Thanks Jenova20 09:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't like it. I don't like the non-free image which has nothing to do with RVs on that article. I don't like the article on Good Sam Club which has no sources. I don't it at all. How best to handle it? Hmm. Need to do a bit of due diligence, on the GSC article - see how reasonable the claims are. A million members would qualify it to be mentioned in the RV article, but the image should be removed. If you find some sources, put it in the GSC article. Also, I don't know about the logo having the website address in it - perhaps take it to the Wikipedia:Non-free content review and they will help you out there. WormTT · (talk) 10:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Dave but it seems a little complex nominating an image for review.
I'll give it a try Jenova20 11:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'll have a go at that bit. See if you can find any references for the GSC article. WormTT · (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've quickly found 2 sources for the article but the logo has a "registered" symbol so it's incompatible with Wikipedia right?
Thanks Jenova20 11:15, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
That's good - sounds like it may just be a problem on the RV page then. The logo is registered, but we can often use it under fair use (there's no free equivalent) - but the use has to be minimal, so shouldn't be on the RV page. Once the logo is gone from there, it's just a case of making sure the text is neutral and reasonable and if you can fix up the GSC article with sources then all will be well with the world. WormTT · (talk) 11:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Done, can you check Recreational vehicle for me =] Jenova20 11:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi Dave, great to meet you too. I felt a bit out of it especially in the last hour or so I was there. I am relatively a noob (though I understood most of the terms) and only really edit articles that interest me. Perhaps I would learn more from Wikilounge. Thanks for your kind comments and hope to see you again.--Darrelljon (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Good luck the ArbCom election. ArbCom is always more helpful to the project when they actually arbitrate rather than simply dictate, and I think your presence there would be a step in the right direction. 28bytes (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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I hear you're a candidate in the ArbCom election! Just came here to say good luck :) personally I have no clue - whatsover - what Arbcom is about, but it must be good if you're running in it :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 03:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Great luck

Because good luck just doesn't cut it. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

To add to the above...

I felt I should add a word of support to accompany those that have posted already. I'm rather conservative in my usual approach, and definitely not one of those who think Arbcom should be uprooted en masse just for the sake of change at all costs. But I do think that some new blood on occasion is necessary, and you've shown a cautious but firm approach to adminship, along with a real willingness to engage properly with ordinary editors and their concerns, that makes you a very obvious choice for Support in these elections. Good luck! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hey Worm :o)

Don't worry 'bout me, that stuff's not important. Compared to the nerve compression in my neck, f'rexample; losing motor function in rhomboids and latissimus dorsi, and though always aware of the fact that though surgery is likely to fix it, I'm also aware of the law of averages regarding complications of surgery. And that, if something goes wrong with this one (or before it), I could end up with left-sided paralysis in my back. Compared to stuff like that, WP is chicken feed. Pesky (talkstalk!) 17:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

BLT Barnstar

Starhalf.png The Half Barnstar
For working well through a difficult dispute at BLT and ending up with a better article for it, I award you and Kiefer.Wolfowitz a barnstar! Jayron32 23:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks - an improved article with the information included was the best possible outcome and sharing a barnstar with KW is the icing on the cake Face-smile.svg WormTT · (talk) 09:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Voter guide

You can restore my voter guide then. Face-wink.svg HurricaneFan25 12:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't - may be worth asking the admin who did it. WormTT · (talk) 13:01, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard upgrade

Hi Worm That Turned,

Thanks for signing up for the Feedback Dashboard response team! I wanted to let you know that the tool just got an important update (see here for details). I also wanted to invite you to the IRC office hours session that Steven and I are going to hold this Sunday, December 4. Hope you can make it and share your experience/questions with us! Thanks again, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


I think this is pretty cool. I wonder if you could do something like it for say the last three years, and based on a realistic edit count of 100 edits per month. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Chzz has suggested that he might be able to get that for us at some point. I really need to get into using the toolserver myself. WormTT · (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Colofac

Should be of some interest to you. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Cheers, I've watchlisted. I expect it is a Joe jobs personally. WormTT · (talk) 12:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

RfA noms

I'm pretty sure that this is not what you anticipated when you created that page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't surprise me. Many people will think they are up to evaluating candidates, and I'm not going to stop them. If a candidate doesn't have the nouse to choose a good nominator, then they are unlikely to get in anyway. WormTT · (talk) 08:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Astoundingly, someone has asked, and not as a joke (unless I'm missing a very subtle prank.)--SPhilbrickT 16:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Good luck to them both :) WormTT · (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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