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Don't forget to make your new host profile!

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Hi Worm Writ! Thanks for being a host at the Teahouse! We're working on the Host lounge renovations and we've created a new way for hosts to become hosts. Please take a few minutes and test it out here, by creating your new host profile. It's also a good excuse to update your image, quote, and information about yourself :) You can join in on the host discussion about the new feature here. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Worm? Writ Keeper 19:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I have about 20 of these to drop off! SarahStierch (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
It can't be as bad as the two threads at the bottom of User talk:Calmer WatersRyan Vesey 20:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
(Note that all of that should have been going to Sun Creator). Ryan Vesey 20:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Done. Writ Keeper 17:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

DRN needs your help!

Hey there Writ Keeper, I noticed that you haven't been very active at the dispute resolution noticeboard lately where you listed yourself as a volunteer - I was hoping if you had some spare time if you could take a look there and offer some assistance. Thanks again for your help :-) Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 11:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Qormusata Tngri

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sülde Tngri

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


Do you know enough about CSS to create what I mentioned hereRyan Vesey 05:48, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Replied there, although I'm not sure how much it'll help. I don't know how you'd get people to install it. Also, there's AdBlock Plus, for those people with compatible browsers. I just block all images with it if I'm on Wikipedia at work shhhhhh. Writ Keeper 13:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


We finally reached a compromise at USS Tang (SS-306). Thanks for your help! DoctorKubla (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Compromise can be hard to swallow when neither side gets what they really want, but at least y'all are in some sort of agreement. :) Writ Keeper 16:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
  • Research: The most recent DR data
  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi WK.

The real problem is that there is almost nothing in English, because, as I said, the Latin locutions do not occur so often in your idiom. Take as e.g. this one: Psicologia del nichilismo. Already section "Philosophical and psychological meaning". But how can I do, translate everything? Help, plz. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's kind of what I thought would happen. Perhaps it's best to just leave it like it is. It can be tough to find sources on the use of phrases, and if it's not a commonly-used phrase in English, then it might not need much coverage. If you want, perhaps you should just add "particularly in the Italian language" to the sentences you've most recently added, and leave it at that. I mean, at some level, this is the English Wikipedia; while I think it's valuable to mention that it has become an idiom in Italian, that's not really where our main focus should be. We just have to follow the sources, and if the sources aren't there, that's that.
I wish I could help you with the pure translation end of it, but I don't speak Italian, and I don't really know of anyone that does. Sorry. :( Writ Keeper 21:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I fully agree with you: if English is too little a Latin language, it is useless to look for sources that are scarce in your idiom (see 27 occurrences vs. 271). I would only add another consideration: elsewhere require tertiary sources, since they are considered the most NPOV. The WMF is too lacking in standardization. Well, me and my venom we stop here. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
But this is a bogus problem. There is no shortage of sources in English, as is proven by the references I've managed to add to the article. Besides, non-English sources are acceptable (but Google searches and personal websites are not.) If the idiom occurs more (or only) in Italian, then as an Italian idiom it should be discussed in the Italian wiki, not here. What you were trying to do was to extend the meaning to include death drive, and from there everything else. So yes, there is English usage, as I've proven, if only because English-language scholars have discussed the use of the phrase in, for instance, de Montaigne. And there is more to be found by substituting a "u" for the last "v". Drmies (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
You've only provided a nonsense list of who cites the phrase with explicit reference to Paul, and nothing on the current broader meaning and use of the locution. Right: if this wider sense occurs more (or only) in Italian, then it should be discussed in the Italian wiki or in any other place, but not here. Ps.: "this idiom" might even be listened. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 08:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Six

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"Wikipedia is tough to master"

You are right. All of the pages that I create that are relevant to Black people keep getting deleted. So I'll try again later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LheaJLove (talkcontribs) 16:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

They're not being deleted because they're relevant to black people. They're being deleted because they're about subjects that aren't notable. You need to understand that. Writ Keeper 16:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


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Invitation to comment at Monty Hall problem RfC

Because of your interest in dispute resolution,, I am inviting you to comment on the following RfC:

Talk:Monty Hall problem#Conditional or Simple solutions for the Monty Hall problem?

This dispute has been going on for over ten years and there have been over 1,300,000 words posted on the article talk page (by comparison, all of the Harry Potter books together total 1,084,170 words). Over the years the dispute has been through multiple noticeboards, mediators, and even the Arbitration Committee without resolving the conflict, so a lot of wisdom is needed here. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Help Project newsletter : Issue 4

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The Help Project Newsletter
Issue IV - September 2012
Project news summary

From the editor

Hi, and welcome to the fourth issue of the Help Project newsletter.

It's been another busy month in the world of Wikipedia help. The results from the in-person usability tests conducted as part of the help pages fellowship have been released. There are no great surprises here, the tests confirmed that people have trouble with the existing help system, and people looking for help on the same topic often end up at wildly different pages. Editors who experienced a tutorial and/or edited a sandbox as part of their learning were noticeably more confident when editing a real article.

Drawing on that, three new "Introduction to" tutorials for new users have been created: referencing, uploading images and navigating Wikipedia. These join the popular existing introductions to policies and guidelines and talk pages. Feel free to edit them, but please do remember that the idea is to keep them simple and as free from extraneous details as possible. All three have been added to Help:Getting started, which is intended to be the new focal point for new editors, and will also be seeing a redesign soon.

In other news, the Article Feedback Tool (AFT) can now be used to collect feedback on help pages. By default it has been deployed to all pages in the Help: namespace. It can be disabled on any page by adding Category:Article Feedback Blacklist, or enabled for pages in other namespaces by adding Category:Article Feedback 5 Additional Articles. Once a page has AFT applied, you can add feedback using the form which appears at the bottom of it. Feedback can be reviewed by clicking "View feedback" in the sidebar, or the "Feedback from my watched pages" link at the top of your watchlist.

I'm now entering the final month of my fellowship, and will be focusing my efforts on making much needed improvements to Help:Contents, the main entrance point to our help system. It's been a pleasure working as a fellow, and I just want to thank all the people who have helped me or offered advice over the past months. That definitely won't be the end of my involvement in the Help Project though, I'll be sticking around as a volunteer and continuing to write this newsletter.

Any comments or suggestions for future issues are welcome at Wikipedia:Help Project/Newsletter. If you don't wish to receive this newsletter on your talk page in future then just edit the participants page and add "no newsletter" next to your name.

-- the wub "?!" 20:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Auto-installing scripts/code like you did for Teahouse

Hi WritKeeper! I love what you did with the preloading auto-install Teahouse script. I'm working on the WP:BADGE project and trying to do a similar thing but with inserting code onto a user's common.js file that customizes their WikiLove to include a list of Badges. Any chance you could take a look at this thread? I've gotten the preload url to work, but I have no idea what to do with getting the actual code (or a template which transcludes the code) (or a userscript which imports the code) onto their common.js page. If you can, awesome, if not thanks anyway! Ocaasi t | c 15:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Ocaasi! I didn't actually do the preload thing for the Teahouse, but I answered at the VPT thread nevertheless. Writ Keeper 16:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, JtMorgan said you were the guy to go to for neat scripts, so it was worth a shot. And... success! The code I'm currently using (at the VPT thread) mimics what you did and it pastes exactly what I want into the user's common.js file. Excellent. Definitely sufficient. Ideally, however, it would not paste the actual code but a template which transcludes the code, that way if we made changes on the fly editors wouldn't have to re-install (upgrade) to the new system. Both would work, but the transclude approach is better. The only problem is, I think it is technically transcluding now, it's just acting like a substitution rather than a transclusion. Any idea what I mean or how to go about it? Ocaasi t | c 17:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, you don't need to transclude anything; just use an importScript(). I've talked about this on the VPT thread. So, the step-by-step would be to create a page somewhere with the text importScript("User:Ocaasi/WikiLoveinstallscript.js");, use the title of that page in the preload argument, and do that. So, take a look at User:WK-test/sandbox; using it as your preload, as in this url:, will have the effect you want, where the code in User:Ocaasi/WikiLoveinstallscript.js is used as it gets changed. Writ Keeper 18:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for all of your help Writ. I tried using your sandbox version but it didn't work for me. I have the same code (not) working here: If you clear your common.js page and then go to your url does it work for you? What about my url? Ocaasi t | c 20:49, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Ah. We need to re-add "&section=new" to it. I took it out along with other parameters that I thought were unimportant, but apparently it's required to work on a page that already exists. I had been testing it by using it on common2.js, which didn't exist, so it worked fine. Try Writ Keeper 21:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Brilliant. Not only does it work, but it completely fulfills the 'transclusion' goal. Which means our work is done here. I'd give you a badge, but we haven't designed the ones for awesome preloaded userscript guru assistance just yet. But as soon as I have that badge... oh it's on. Ocaasi t | c 01:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

New page review

I saw the Barnacle Products Incorporated but was not sure how to tag it. I saw you opted for CSD G3, is that the best tag to select for that kind of article? Ankh.Morpork 16:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, hoaxes, as with everything else, are in the eye of the beholder. I find that describing an obviously fictional business (it's from Spongebob Squarepants) as if it were a real company, complete with descriptions of phony lawsuits, is enough. The point of db-hoax for me is that the author is obviously intending to mislead. If he were just describing it from an in-universe style, that might be one thing, but this guy clearly wants to fool people into thinking that this is a real-life company, at least at first glance, as a "clever" joke. Pretty hoax-y for me, and I've used db-hoax for similar situations in the past. At the end of the day, I try not to get too caught up with whether I use the right db tag, as long as I'm sure that it meets at least one of the criteria (though I often end up debating myself over it anyway). This certainly does (G11 and db-corp might also work, if it wasn't a hoax), and G3 describes my concerns with it most precisely, so I go with it.
TL;DR: Not sure it's best, but good enough for Ethel and me and the chickens. Writ Keeper 16:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


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APA Tactical in Userspace

Thanks for your recent assistance on APA Tactial on Dennis Brown's Talk Page. I am new to Wikipedia so please forgive the basic questions and I know there are guides which I have been looking at but they don't in this case solve my problem. As far as I can tell part of the problem with getting the APA Article up to accepted standards from when it was first posted by me was lack of references and some thinking this was for self promotion. It was established on a previous discussion when Dennis stepped in to assist is that APA is a private Law enforcement system so there is no self promotion here just documenting some big things that have happened in Taiwan Law Enforcement. So my new problem is that I have now some Newspaper Articles saved as PNG files which I think will help to show the legitimacy of the article. But one is in Chinese and one in English without the name of the Newspaper. As this is a Law Enforcement only system sources from the public domain are few. I have attempted to upload these and am prompted to give the name of the article of which they will be used with. I give APA Tactical but it says this does not exist??? Is this because its in Userspace? If so how do I ever get the article ready with the evidence I have if it cannot be uploaded while in Userspace? Thanks for any assistance you can provide. SRobinsonOP (talk) 07:16, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey, SRobinson! Yes, it is saying that because the article is in userspace, reather than the main article space. However, it shouldn't actually be necessary for you to upload images of the newspapers; simply using them in a citation should be good enough. Wikipedia doesn't actually require that its sources be available online or easily obtainable (although it's preferred). As long as the source is reliable and has been published somewhere, it should be okay.
Ah okay I was under the impression I needed to show them. So I can do the Citations etc all in Userspace and then any images which I think might be supportive I can upload after the Article comes out of Userspace. Thank you. SRobinsonOP (talk) 10:14, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


I need help with the formating of my user page Wertercatt (talk) 02:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC).

Sure, what do you need help with? Writ Keeper 19:55, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


The reference to boomerang was referencing her personal attacks on the other editor in her edit dispute. She has made no effort at collaboration with him, just throwing huge walls of dense text that made me go TLDR about a third of the way through. He then suggested the same thing I did that she was way overcomplicating the matter at which time she disparaged his ability to read. This editor defiantly needs a 3O and probably a mentor. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I knew what you were referring to, but my discussions have been relatively amicable so far, so I was just suggesting that we not be hasty. :) Writ Keeper 20:34, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't suggesting that a case be opened or anything like that. I am concerned that as fast as she is accelerating that SHE would, and then boomerang would certainly bite her in the butt. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Maybe, but I think that she [citation needed] has progressed into a more theoretical tangent; the post at Jimbo's talk page was more with the purpose of getting a new feature/process added and not as much complaining about this specific incident. Writ Keeper 20:45, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Gaufre biscuit.jpg thank you for your help at the tea house earlier! appreciated ;) FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Yum, you're welcome! Writ Keeper 05:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Userspace Request from Foope

Hey! It's me, Foope. Thank you for giving me more time to work on my page! Also, I would like you to move my page to my Userspace so I can work on it. Thank you! Foope (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, this is done. The draft is now at User:Foope/Fraternus, for your editing pleasure. Writ Keeper 20:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Foope (talk) 21:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

redirection to layoff article

hello Writ Keeper thanks for responding, in layoff article some information like benefits and the means of right sizing were not there in that page. I think those are important for any one who want to gain some concept on right sizing. So tell me what i can do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srira4a2 (talkcontribs) 18:53, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Srira! As I said in response to your Teahouse question, the best thing to do would be to try working it into the Layoff article, rather than creating a whole new one. You should keep in mind, though, that we need all the contents of our articles to be verifiable; we don't do original research here. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia articles must be written from a neutral point-of-view. Hope this helps! Writ Keeper 18:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Kilmore Cathedral

Working on an article on that subject at this very instant. Plucas58 (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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Epoch era (talk) 08:48, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Adab al-Tabib

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter

Hey Writ Keeper/Archives. I'm dropping you a note because you used to (or still do!) patrol new pages. This is just to let you know that we've deployed and developed Page Curation, which augments and supersedes Special:NewPages - there are a lot of interesting new features :). There's some help documentation here if you want to familiarise yourself with the system and start using it. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


Do you know enough about CSS to make MediaWiki:Edittools appear? Ryan Vesey 00:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

It's already appearing for me... Writ Keeper 00:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Peter Schiff Article

Hello Writ. Thanks for your involvement in the Peter Schiff article. I've just posted a couple of items on the talk page and am hoping discussion will follow. Perhaps you will want to continue to watch. Thanks.'''SPECIFICO''' (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, but I'll actually be pretty busy over the weekend. I'm not gonna say I won't be on, but I can;t say I'll reliably be on for the amount of time that it takes to follow it closely. Writ Keeper 04:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Printz Board Credits

Hello, I am an assistant to Printz Board, and we are trying to get his Wikipedia page up. I keep adding a biography from his website (which he is part of the group) but it keeps getting deleted because of copyright issues. Is there any way we can resolve this, or do you need to be put in contact with his attorney?

Look forward to hearing back, Kwalter123 (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, there are actually multiple reasons the biography is getting deleted. One of these is that it's copyrighted material, yes, but it is not the only problem. As I've said on your talk page, the material is inappropriate, as it is written from an obviously promotional perspective. Wikipedia is not a place for people to advertise themselves or others; all our articles must be written from a neutral point-of-view. The material you keep posting to the site does not meet this requirement.
As for the copyright infringement, yes that is also an issue. As I've explained on User talk:Kwalter123 (your user talk page), the material we use on Wikipedia must be licensed under a CC-BY-SA license, and the website this material is being pulled from does not do this. It needs to be released under these terms to be incorporated into Wikipedia. There is a process by which this can be done, but again, there are issues with the text other than just copyright, so I'd advise you not to waste people's time by pursuing them (though it's up to you, I suppose).
You should also take a look at our policies on conflicts of interest. As I said earlier, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertisement or self-promotion. It's not intended for people to post either their own biographies or those of associates, and in fact it is very strongly recommended that users do not do so. Keep in mind that you wouldn't have any editorial control over the contents of the article. Or rather, you wouldn't have any more control over anyone else. And any material that you submit must still conform to all Wikipedia's policies, including things like notability, verifiability, our special rules about biographies of living people, original research, and so on.
All the same, thanks for not posting it again and coming to ask instead! The policies and guidelines of Wikipedia are pretty complicated. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them here. And don't worry too much if the article gets deleted; it doesn't mean that the subject will never be able to have an article. Just, please don't try to post it again. Writ Keeper 03:58, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
The article is indeed deleted. Please don't bring up the topic of attorneys, since that is often responded to with a block and reference to WP:NLT. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Printz Board Credits

I understand about the copyright issues, but the biography is about his website. And also that's what a biography does - promotes you.. Do you need to be put in contact with his attorney? There needs to be a way around this...

Other people in the Black Eyed Peas have Wikipedia pages, such as [Harris]

Kwalter123 (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

That's not what a biography on Wikipedia does. Biographies, as with all other articles, need to be written from a neutral point of view; it cannot just include promotional material. (It usually shouldn't only include negative material, either, of course, but that's a different issue.) Attorneys are not going to be helpful, for a few reasons; first, Printz Board is not the person who holds the copyright, it's the company Beets and Produce, so Printz Board cannot provide the necessary release. Second, and more importantly, the copyright issue is not the only issue, nor even really the biggest issue.
Look, the point is this: articles on Wikipedia have to conform to Wikipedia's policies. While there are many different guidelines and policies, the most important ones are probably notability, verifiability, and neutral point of view. Notability governs what subjects warrant articles. It has several different meanings, but at its most basic, it's expressed in the general notability guideline: subjects must have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of each other and the subject to warrant an article on Wikipedia. Subjects that are notable can have a Wikipedia article about them; those that aren't, cannot. The important thing here is that notability is not inherent or inherited: nobody is "inherently" notable, regardless of their coverage in reliable sources, and nobody is notable just because their band/bandmates/family/friends are notable.
The second is verifiability, which says that all the material on Wikipedia must be able to be backed by references to reliable sources. Not every fact has to have a direct citation (we don't need a citation that the sky is blue), but if a fact is challenged, a direct citation must be able to be found. Any information that's controversial, unintuitive, or not common knowledge must have a direct citation.
The third is neutral point of view. Articles on Wikipedia must not be written to promote or discredit a person, place, business, etc. They're not allowed to be skewed unfairly towards any one point of view. Naturally, this is a difficult thing to judge even in the best of circumstances, and not all viewpoints are created equal, but we do our best. One thing that makes judgements about NPOV extremely difficult is having a conflict of interest with regards to the subject of an article. This is why I recommend that you don't continue trying to create or edit an article about your employer. It's not verboten, but it almost never ends well. If Printz Board is notable, an article will be made about him eventually; you really should just wait. Thanks. Writ Keeper 17:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For Adab al-Tabib, a fantastic article! Ironholds (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Writ Keeper 17:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


I don't think "fuck it" will be necessary. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind doing the honors, then? :) Writ Keeper 14:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
If you help. I'll ask via email. And you know how to PayPal me the requisite sum, I believe--instructions are in the history of my user page. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hypopressive exercise

I find the excessive weight a bit strange since I am in the middle of writing the rest of the article. Please leave this article for now, hopefully you know how annoying edit conflicts are. tepi (talk) 13:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, just keep in mind that these sorts of articles need to be supported by sources that are reliable in a medical context. "" doesn't count as reliable, in this or any other context, which is why I removed it. By the way, have you considered making the article as a draft first? It'd cut down on edit conflicts. Writ Keeper 13:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Added what few published papers I could find on this topic. Agree these websites poor sources, reflected this now in the wording. tepi (talk) 14:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Much better, although I still feel like having that whole list of claimed benefits is a bit undue, even with the proviso. Thanks! Writ Keeper 14:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Further reworded to emphasize weak evidence + theoretical basis of many of the claims. I feel the article should list the claimed benefits, at the same time discussing the evidence (or lack of) behind them. tepi (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I see that side of it, and as long as it's emphasized that it's only the claimed benefits, not necessarily the actual benefits, it's not inherently problematic. It's just that I feel like, given its presentation as a large bulleted list, it's taking up a lot of the article's real estate, and as such, has a bit too much emphasis. My ideal solution would probably be reducing the size of the list and converting it into prose form, so something like "Proponents claim a large number of health benefits can stem from hypopressive exercise, such as x, y, z, (etc. etc.)" and then going on to discuss the evidence for these claims, or lack thereof. It's a judgement call, though, on which we've come down on different sides. So no worries; carry on.  :) Writ Keeper 15:57, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed list to prose as requested. tepi (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! I'm quite happy with that. Writ Keeper 18:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For all of the great work that you do here! --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, EC! Writ Keeper 21:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


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SarahStierch (talk) 00:08, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Moved from userpage

I strongly suspect that this is the wrong way to go about this, but I am so completely and absolutely at sea that I'll try anything. How do I send a message to Writ Keeper or put a message some place where he will see it? Please, at this point feel free to condescend. I see things like "go to the box labeled archives," and I have no idea what "go to" or "box" mean. (I read a message from Writ Keeper because I received an e-mail, and I clicked on a link in it, and I found I was on a Wikipedia page [which I don't know how to name or identify], and there was a message to me. How did he do that? How do I do that?)

Sincere, warm thanks in advance. NC Daoist (talk) 01:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Writ Keeper, Your messages are very helpful, and I appreciate your saying that this is hard at first. 1) Is "post" the same thing as "edit"? 1') Is the answer to 1) general or specific to User Talk pages? 2) How do I navigate to someone's User Talk page? If there is someone named SC Daoist, how would I get to the page User Talk:SC Daoist? 3) How do I navigate to the archived page that has the answer to my question about adding diacritical marks? Thanks in advance! (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Update: I found my own answer to 2). One would use the URL Right? (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi again! Yes, your answer to 2) is correct; that's one way to do it! Another way is to use the search bar at the top-right of the screen; you can just type "User talk:SC Daoist" into that, and it'll take you to that page. But your way is actually a great way of doing it, too. Your surmise about 1) is also correct: when I say "post", I really mean "edit", because they're one and the same. The way you go about editing a talk page to leave someone a message is exactly the same way you'd edit a real Wikipedia article; all the same technical tricks apply. So, it is generally "editing", no matter whether it's a user talk page or any other kind of page. Using the word "post" is simply a habit of mine from other Internet things that I should probably break myself of. :)
As for 3), I think it's my fault that you didn't understand; I used the wrong words. So, the easiest way to find older questions is by searching the archive. You can do this by first going to the Teahouse questions page at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. On the right side of the page, there will be a little narrow box that says "Previous questions", and it'll have a link that reads "[show]". If you click on the "show" link, the box will expand, filling with a bunch of links and also a text box with a button that says "Search" next to it. All those links are the individual archive pages, but you don't have to worry about those. If you type in "NC Daoist" into the text box that appeared and then click the "Search" button, Wikipedia will look through those archive pages and find all the ones where "NC Daoist" appears. Since everyone signs their name on their posts, this is effectively searching for all of the questions you've asked. When you do this, the results will turn up one page, which will contain the question you asked, along with its answers, somewhere on it. So, click on the page, and now you just need to find the question. It'll be listed on the table of contents for that page, so you can just look through the table of contents for the title of your question and then click on the title, and it'll take you to your question. Does that help? Writ Keeper 19:57, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

The Craiglea Award

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The first Craiglea award is presented to Writ Keeper for advising Ethan.A.Gray of Craiglea about the Craiglea Award. Ethan.A.Gray of Craiglea (UK) (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Writ Keeper 20:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Speedy deletion nomination of How long is a sea snake

It gave me no indication that it had already been nominated for speedy deletion when I did so, although I was able to see the next revision after the original one (the one where it was tagged by another user). I just hadn't noticed that there were further revisions, and tagged it for speedy deletion. Lugia2453 (talk) 19:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Redshift software page subject to deletion.

Hi. So, questions:

  • Is it ok to just delete the {{proposed deletion/dated...}}-text given such a reason as "It's the only software of it's kind that is Free as in speech. f.lux is Gratis, but not free." and it will not be deleted?
  • How and what should I edit to at least reach the same status as the mentioned non-free alternative?

Thanks. Regards /Danielpublic (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC).

Hey, Daniel! Thanks for coming here to ask; not everyone does! Yes, you're welcome to remove the proposed deletion template for any reason you like; doing so will end the proposed deletion process without the article being deleted. That's perfectly fine! However, you should know that there are other deletion mechanisms at Wikipedia, and the issues with the article will have to be addressed to avoid those.
The biggest issue here is one of notability. Notability is the minimum threshold for inclusion of new articles into Wikipedia, and it has a few different meanings, depending on the context. The most basic common element, though, is expressed in the general notability guideline, which says that subjects must have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of each other and the subject itself. I did a quick search for sources on this software, and didn't find any that would meet the definition of a reliable source. That's the most pressing issue, and addressing it by finding reliable sources that cover it in some depth will go far towards making it acceptable to keep.
Don't be discouraged, though! Any deletion process (including the proposed deletion that's on there now) will give you at lest seven days to work on it, and it's not a foregone conclusion. Once the seven days are up, an admin will look at the article and make a decision; if it's improved since I tagged it, he may well decide to keep it after all! If you remove the tag (which, again, is totally fine), the next step in the deletion process would be Articles for deletion, which will also run for at least seven days, and you'll have a chance to join in the discussion. So, you have plenty of time! If you think you can improve it, go ahead and remove the tag. I'll keep an eye on the page, and though I can't promise I won't send it to the next phase, I'll keep an open mind, and I'll give you some time before I nominate it. If I find anything that'll help, I'll add it to the article.
Finally, whatever happens to the article, thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia! The rules here can be pretty complicated, but don't give up. Lots of people mess up their first time; nobody will hold it against you. The rules make sense once you get the hang of them and see their logic. I'd be happy to answer any more questions you have here, and you're also welcome to try the Teahouse, which is a place for new users to get answers in a friendly, relaxed environment. Happy editing! Writ Keeper 20:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for answering my questions! Just to make sure I get this right; regarding sources, I have found these which could be regarded as multiple reliable sources(?):
* Keeps Your Eyes Sharp & Helps You Sleep (Linux)
* How to Reduce Computer Eye Strain
I also found these, however, they point either to the subject it self or a source citing the subject:
* Alleviate tired eyes in Ubuntu with Redshift
* redshift and sleep better
* RedShift Makes Your Screen Easier on the Eyes at Night
Have I gotten the hang of it, correctly? Thanks again for taking your time to answer my questions. /Danielpublic (talk) 09:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC).
Hmmm, not quite yet, I think, although this is definitely a step in the right direction. The problem with these as reliable sources is that they appear to be blogs. Blogs are generally not considered reliable enough to be reliable sources for Wikipedia articles, as they're self-published and have no editorial oversight or fact-checking to lend some credibility to their contents. It's not that they can never be used, and those aren't the worst blogs I've seen by any means, but I don't think that an argument for notability based only on those is really going to be enough.
What we're looking for is more like an article from perhaps the technology section of a major newspaper (like the New York Times, for example), although even there, one has to be careful, as they sometimes host blogs that aren't reviewed by their editorial board, which still wouldn't count. Articles from a website like would also be fine. Basically, what we're looking for is material that talks about Redshift specifically, from a reasonably reputable organization with some kind of editorial oversight or fact-checking. You see what I mean? Writ Keeper 13:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, Lifehacker and Omgubuntu are certainly big enough/trustworthy in that regard, however those mentioned urls on dito can not be used as they quote the subject, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielpublic (talkcontribs) 16:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, Lifehacker might be okay. I don't think the others are. That they quote the original isn't really the problem; the question of "independence" is more about "intellectual integrity". As long as an article is fundamentally a work on its own, and not just a reposting of the subject's words or something like that, and that the article's author hasn't been unduly influenced by the subject, it can be considered independent. It's the "reliable" part that is still the problem in my eyes: even if it's a famous, well-known blog, it's still a guy writing whatever he wants. That can theoretically be said of anything, I suppose, but what we're looking for is some kind of journalistic effort at accuracy, which is the point of reliable sources. Writ Keeper 16:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
You did notice that the lifehacker article used omgubuntu as a source?
* You do realise that accuracy is something that is judged after the fact, that is, someone examines whatever is presented, retracing whatever?
* Are you aware that there exists journalism on the planet that has less of an annual turnover than omgubuntu or whatever and have made an positive impact on humanity that both you, I or mostly anyone will ever hope to accomplish?
* As it starts to sound like a monetary means thing, whom can I turn to to get a adequate answer as you don't seem that sure? Thanks for getting me this far! Danielpublic (talk) 06:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I did see that.
* Yes, I do realize that. It's not really the point; we're not looking at accuracy per se, we're looking at reliability, which is slightly different.
* Yes, I'm aware, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to the question of reliability of sources.
* Sure, the reliable sources noticeboard is probably your best bet. I've never heard of any of those sites before; that doesn't mean anything in and of itself, but I'm not familiar with what they do or how they work, so I freely admit that I can't make the best of judgements of their reliability. Good luck; hope it works out for you. Writ Keeper 13:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Certainly looks suspicious and there is no exif data. However, Tineye can't find a copy and I can't see the image on your link. If you are sure it was there, tag it as a copyright violation. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:56, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

'Kay. Let me see if I can get a URL to a Google cache of the picture or something. Writ Keeper 14:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!

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For taking the time to answer a newbie's dumb question. ;) Thanks. Krueg (talk) 23:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Writ Keeper 23:16, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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I appreciate all of your hard work on improving and expanding Wikipedia. Yours are some of the best articles on this site. (Adab al-Tabib, for example.) Keep up the good work! SchizophrenicDingo (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Heh, I'm not sure about that, but thanks! :) Writ Keeper 21:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse scripts

I've finally taken the plunge and become a Teahouse host. I've installed your scripts on my common.js page but I'm not seeing any of the additional functionality. I'm using the default vector skin and have turned off twinkle; I've also restarted my browser. Would you mind taking a look and seeing if there's something obviously wrong? Thanks. GaramondLethe 17:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Garamond, welcome to the crew! I don't see anything obviously wrong. I don't think all browsers necessarily clear their cache when they're restarted, so simply restarting the browser might not be enough. Try following the directions for bypassing your cache on this page for whichever browser you're using; in Firefox, for example, it's Ctrl+Shift+R. If that doesn't work, let me know what browser you're using and I'll take a closer look. Writ Keeper 17:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Yep, working now. Thanks! GaramondLethe 17:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I like this. A lot. Thanks for putting in the time to code it up. GaramondLethe 17:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Citing Books and Newspaper Articles

HI Writ Keeper! I'm taking you up on your offer to assist me in including not "online" sources for citations within my article. I have looked at your links for templates, and I think I have a handle on the information: but where do I place them within my article? and how do I place them? Let's say that I want to reference someone as being a "Composer" and they are mentioned in a book: New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Do I place it next to the word composer? or in a separate section? THANKS in advance! Impromp2Music (talk) 21:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure! There are actually a few different systems for references, but I generally put my references at the end of the sentence/paragraph they're supporting. So, if I'm writing a sentence that says "John Doe is a composer.", I would put the citation template within ref tags at the end of the sentence. So, you'd write something like this: John Doe is a composer.<ref>{{cite book|title=New Grove Dictionary|author=Jane Smith}}</ref> . Then, at the bottom of the article, I would make a References section (I think yours already has one) with a {{reflist}} template in it. Once you do that, in the final display, you'll see: "John Doe is a composer.[1]". The [1] will be a hyperlink that, when you click it, will take you to the source information in the reflist at the bottom of the page. As far as how often to cite, the only real answer is "as often as you need". Basically, if I'm using the same sources for an entire paragraph, I'll just put the citations at the end of the paragraph; I definitely would recommend at least one citation per paragraph. If you're using different citations for different statements within a paragraph, you should use the appropriate citations at the end of each sentence. Basically, my rule of thumb (and it is just mine, as far as I know) is that: every time you either switch the reference that you're using, end a paragraph, use a direct quote, or say something surprising, controversial, or specific to the source you're using (that is, if you say "According to Jane Doe, this guy is a composer"), use a direct citation. Does that help? Writ Keeper 22:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

A message of WikiLove

Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata.jpg Thanks for lending a hand on my talk page with recent new editor concerns. Sometimes it wears me out to do it all on my own :) It is appreciated!! (Positive wiki stalking is a rarity on my talk page!) SarahStierch (talk) 21:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
You're very welcome; we all need a hand sometimes. :) Writ Keeper 22:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

APA Tactical questions

Hi I am finally back after getting information for Citations, I have all the newspapers as PNG images also for when the Article (fingers crossed) is allowed back in to Wikipedia. Is is possible for you to take a look at my user space and let me know if there is anything drasticly wrong with it. The Citations are not finished yet I have more details to go in. SRobinsonOP (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, SRobinson, good to hear from you again! Not sure you'll be too happy with my reply, though. There's one big problem with the draft so far: it appears to be a copyright violation of . It looks like you just lifted that content and pasted it right into the article, without even removing the "back to table of contents" bits that are left over. Copying directly from websites is never a good idea; not only is it a copyright violation, but it also imports all of the promotional language that companies and organizations like to put on their pages. By the way, that it has been released under the GFDL doesn't matter, as far as copyright goes; the GFDL has been determined insufficient for Wikipedia's purposes. For text to be imported, it must be under the CC-BY-SA license. This is really beside the point, though, because even without the copyright issue, the material would be unacceptable, due to its promotional nature. I suggest that you blank the page immediately and start the draft over from scratch, with no copying and pasting whatsoever; copyright violations are not allowed, even in userspace drafts. If it's important enough to say, it's important enough to say in your own words, y'dig?
I know this sounds harsh, and I don't mean to be snappy at you or anything, but Wikipedia takes copyright (and spam, for that matter) pretty seriously. Copyright is one of the few issues that Wikipedia can get into legal trouble for, so we have to be pretty cautious. If you can rewrite it from scratch, feel free to drop me a line again, and I'll take a look (hopefully with a happier outcome!) Regardless of the above, thanks for trying! Writ Keeper 04:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Will do, thanks for your time be back to you in a week or so. Fingers crossed for the next version. SRobinsonOP (talk) 07:46, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Apple tree farm

I tagged it as promotion, mainly because it would seem that the article name had nothing to do with the content, which seemed to only try to get people involved in reversing citizens united, i.e. they were promoting their point of view. I may have been wrong in tagging it as such, but I definitely think that the article content and the article name are completely unrelated. Jeancey (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Ok, I'll keep that in mind for the future when tagging articles for deletion. Thanks for the feedback! Jeancey (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
No worries; I see where you're coming from. One way or another, it got deleted, so it's no big deal. :) Writ Keeper 21:12, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Speedy deletion nomination of Ryan LaPerle

Ryan LaPerle is a real and professional singer. He sells his music at the [[iTunes Store]]. What is with the deletion of that page? I don't know anything about the origin of life, nor that of his career. But I know him, and that he writes, records, and sells his music.

Largerthanlife147 (talk) 15:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Largerthanlife! Good to see that you're still around. You'll have to forgive me, but that was several months ago, and I don't quite remember the details. I can give you some general advice that I would bet is relevant, though.
I totally believe you that he's a real professional singer, but that's not really the issue. The issue is one of notability. You see, Wikipedia doesn't aim to have an article about every person on the planet; it strives to include only those that are considered notable. Notability on Wikipedia has a few different metrics, depending on the subject, but the most basic is that of coverage in reliable sources. At a bare minimum, subjects must have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of each other and the subject itself to be possibly considered notable. There are a few reasons why we have this notability metric; it's a bit longer of a spiel, but I'll go into it if you want me to. :) More specific criteria for notability can be found on this page; take a look at it, and it might help you understand a bit more about why the article was deleted.
Anyways, even though the article got deleted, thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia! It's not an easy place to get the hang of, but it's pretty fun once you do. I'd be happy to answer any other questions you have; just ask! Writ Keeper 17:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse script

I recently joined the Teahouse project and added the script that's supposed to give me a one-click way of posting a Teahouse invite to user under the top edit menu. I'm not seeing it supposed to be under one of the top things (e.g., in the Twinkle drop down menu-- which doesn't seem to have it)? I'm just a little confused. Thanks--Go Phightins! 01:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I saw; welcome! That script goes in the user action menu (forget what the technical name of it is, but close enough), which is that downward-pointing arrow right next to the Twinkle tab (but not the Twinkle tab itself). It normally has only a link to move pages, but that script adds the Teahouse stuff to it. Let me know if you don't see it there. Writ Keeper 02:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The only arrow I see when on a usertalk page is the Twinkle Arrow. When in article space, I see the move arrow...Go Phightins! 02:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I just realized the problem. Let me test something; I'll get back to you in a few minutes. Writ Keeper 03:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks--great. Go Phightins! 03:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Yep, as I thought, the protected templates you have in your common.js are causing the problem. The thing is, your browser is trying to read it as Javascript, but it's not Javascript, so it's erroring out. You can remove the templates (incidentally, you can also remove the protected templates from your css page too, for the same reason). They won't do anything anyway: on a normal page, it's not those templates that apply protection, it's a separate admin-only action. The templates just let people know that pages are protected; they don't have to do with the protection itself. It doesn't matter, anyway: user subpages that end in .js or .css are automatically protected from editing for everyone except their "owner" and admins, so you don't even need protection anyway! If you remove those templates and clear your cache, it should start working. Cheers! :) Writ Keeper 03:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I have the technical skills of a three year old. When you say remove the templates, which "templates" are you referring to? Go Phightins! 03:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Nevermind, I got it. Thanks for your help--Go Phightins! 03:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
No worries; any time! I sometimes get caught up in the jargon, so forgive me that; feel free to whack me upside the head with a wet trout if I do it again. :) Writ Keeper 03:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Violence is not the answer!!! :) I should've gotten it from what you said, my head's in about 10 different places right now on Wikipedia and they just got jumbled up. Go Phightins! 03:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I dunno, you'd be surprised what can be accomplished with a troutsmack. Consider it sometime. :) And again, no worries; us techheads exist only to serve. I'm always happy to answer any questions to the best of my poor ability; s'why I joined the Teahouse. :) Writ Keeper 03:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I know it isn't the ideal time, but....

Hi, Writ Keeper! I've been loving your Teahouse talkback script for a while now (seriously -- loving it!), and just thought of another use for it, which I'm curious to see if you'd be up for either developing or pointing me to where it already exists (because that's often the case with ideas of mine Face-tongue.svg. In any case, could you modify the Teahouse TB script to have the ability to leave talkbacks from any page, and then automatically grab the page name as the talkback destination?

An example: I click the **TB** link next to someone's talk page link (in their signature) on WT:RfA. A talkback is then posted to their talk page, with the heading "Talkback" and the talkback destination "WT:RfA".

It sounds relatively simple, and like something I'd really use -- just curious! Thanks a bundle, Theopolisme 13:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look. Writ Keeper 14:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, try User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/talkbackLink.js. I have it excluding the Teahouse page, since there's a special talkback template for it, so you should use this and the Teahouse-specific one together. Writ Keeper 14:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)'
That's fantastic, thanks! One thing: It's also popping up TB links on /Archive links -- is there a way you to include only root User_talk: pages? (i.e., exclude links to User_talk:Theopolisme/Archive_2, etc). Theopolisme 15:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and how about also removing it from Special:X pages? Thanks again. Theopolisme 15:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for piling on the questions, is it possible to get that only on my talk page? I tried to create one once before by changing words and I failed miserably. If it's not possible I'll just use the one you created. Ryan Vesey 15:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay, Theo, I've made your changes; the link won't show up on special pages, history pages, etc., only normal pages, and it won't show up on any user talk page with a slash in it (which is my kludgey way of testing for a subpage). Ryan, your version is at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/selfTalkbackLink.js; links should only show up on your own talk page. Let me know if y'all find any bugs or have any more demands ideas! :) Writ Keeper 16:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Fantabulous! Theopolisme 17:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Works great, thanks! Ryan Vesey 18:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Nooo! Looks like the links are back on Special pages... any idea why now and not 5 minutes ago? Theopolisme 20:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


Congrats. Ryan Vesey 23:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Looking good...

I hope you're thanking your deity of choice that no one's discovered your heretofore unmentioned sock farm ;) Seriously, though, look forward to seeing you on this side of adminship. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 06:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Man, you have no idea how many sacrifices to Yog-Sothoth I've made in the last few days... Writ Keeper 09:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Always nice to find another Lovecraft fan. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Eh, I'm not a very good one, really; I've only read At the Mountains of Madness. I keep meaning to borrow my friend's anthology and give it a good read-through. I do have a Cthulhu fish that I cherish. Writ Keeper 14:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Y'wot? Yerwhatyerwhatyerwhat? WormTT(talk) 15:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
My favorite was always The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath, but your mileage may vary. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

When you get a moment...

Your RFA has questions that require your attention. As it stands you have only answered the intitial questions while in your sandbox, yet you have unanimous support. I know you are not on the same schedule as everyone else but please take a minute as soon as possible to address questions posed. Thanks! Good luck seems to not be needed in your case, but I extend it just the same.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Ha, well, it's a long week. :) I saw jc37's questions not long after they were posted, but I was about to go out to a meal with friends, and I didn't want to rush my reply. I'm actually typing out answers to your questions as we speak. I'm not ignoring them, but I'm trying to treat this as a marathon more than a sprint. Thanks for the note, though! Writ Keeper 03:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem. It isn't about my questions really or rushing things, just a matter of the RFA getting more responses at the moment from support !votes that make it look like a rubber stamp. That is pretty harsh when you write it out...but it is my concern.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
No worries, I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure there will be more people looking at it, though, so I wouldn't write it off as a rubber-stamp quite yet. But I mean, people will vote how people will vote, and they can always change it if something comes up. Writ Keeper 03:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
That is very true. Also, you are not resposible for the quick support of others...but then again, in a good are. So, see it as a compliment from them and just me being overly concerned. I tend to do that.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I've answered most of them; still working on some of jc37's, but I'll get there. :) Writ Keeper 04:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I decided to forgo any further questions on your RFA. They seem needless at this point. While I am not changing my oppose !vote, I still believe you will make a fine admin. I only hope that you will understand my concerns are that admin are not a special select group, that they (and now you) are a part of the Wikipedia community and the only ones that can deal with sanctions (most of the time). However, I also see admin as outside the DR process and that may well be what the majority of current admin feel as well. There are ways to deal with incivility and extreme conduct and I am beginning to feel that administration is not the route to use. Once you become an admin I want you to know that I will support you as much as I support Dennis, Drmies and others. I have a great deal of respect for them for the hard work they do. I know you will work equally hard. Thanks. I have a feeling you are not the golden nomination people think you are.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. I'm not sure that we're disagreeing about much, really; it seems to me that your issues are more with admins in general, rather than me specifically. But your vote is your prerogative; I'm not concerned with having a "perfect" RfA or whatever. Do whatever you feel you need to do. I appreciate your kind words, and I'll take your concerns into account. :) Um, okay? Writ Keeper 23:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I see you have shown a real interest in degrading others and falling on the fact that, as an admin you have no responsibility in this community. Your answers may have attempted to side step, but you still could not leave well enough alone. You had proved to me that my oppose to your RFA was justified. Happy editing sir or Ma'am.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Off you go, Amadscientist, to bother someone else. I wonder where you got this stuff about WK "degrading others", but it would be impolite for me to offer a suggestion. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 14:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Congrats — may all your mopping be mop-ulous, and may your ANI-ing be limited. Face-smile.svg Theopolisme 23:25, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Ha, thanks! It's nice that it's over. I'll admit, it was a little bit more stressful than I thought it would be, but still not that big a deal. Writ Keeper 23:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Congrats Writ Keeper--well done. I've emailed you the list of people who need to be indef-blocked rightaway. Drmies (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


Congratulations on your successful RfA. Good luck with the new tools! Maxim(talk) 23:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Maxim! :) Writ Keeper 23:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Add my name to the list of congratulators (that's apparently not a word, but it should be). AutomaticStrikeout 23:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have given you the tshirt -wear it well. Rcsprinter (talk) @ 23:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Congrats Writ Keeper! Ryan Vesey 00:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Good luck with your new tools! Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
If you want to test out your new tools, I've got a DB-Move waiting at Memphis PostRyan Vesey 00:19, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Heh, sorry, but I'm spending my first few hours of adminship the same way I spent my first few hours of RfA: eating with friends. :) Writ Keeper 00:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Now done. Writ Keeper 08:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Here is your state-of-the-art Admin Kit 5000™.
  • Congratulations on becoming an admin! I've brought you your tools. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 02:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on adminship, which also is apparently not a word, but should be nonetheless. I won't drone on repeating what everyone else said, but good luck with the tools. Go Phightins! 03:21, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks all! Writ Keeper 08:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! I've only briefly interacted with you once before, but seeing as you're the first new administrator after the month with no successful RfAs, you better wield that mop with pride. ;) --xanchester (t) 10:08, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

quick little thing

Hey, WK:
At User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/talkbackLink.js, would you mind changing it to read "Message added by ~~~ at ~~~~~", rather than "Message added ~~~~"? I assume it would just be a matter of changing the ts= values — I'd be happy to do it, but I can't edit your script files. :) Theopolisme 14:15, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

If you're going to do it that way, it would be better to use this: Message added by [[:User:{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}]] at ~~~~~. That's because people's signatures sometimes include strange dashes and things (like mine, for example :). You'll need to tweak that code for JavaScript, though, so that it doesn't subst the result of {{REVISIONUSER}} directly into the .js file. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 14:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, I just ended up using mw.config.get("wgUserName") for that, though I did still have to use the neat nowiki tags in comments at the top and bottom trick for the timestamp. Anyway, it should be doing this now. Cheers! Writ Keeper 15:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Guh, it's about time I learned JavaScript... I might have to take lessons from you! — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 16:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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It's dangerous to go alone into the wilds of Administering. Take this.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
It's a secret to everybody! Writ Keeper 16:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Haggar doesn't like smoke. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

A hillbilly for you.

Redneck hillbilly.jpg I feel like a total idiot that i missed your RfA! But, obviously you didn't need my help :) I am so happy that you are an admin - much deserved. Congratulations....and get ready for lots of grumpy people whining on your talk page (more than usual!). :) SarahStierch (talk) 05:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Uh...what did you miss? Writ Keeper 05:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I must have been drinking. But that doesn't lessen how much I support and adore you ;) SarahStierch (talk) 05:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, one way or another, thanks! :) Writ Keeper 05:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I missed out on the earlier festivities, but glad to have been able to add one in the support column. Now its time to train at WP:SPI ;) In all seriousness, it really will help you in everything else you do, from patrolling to dispute resolution and help you hone your skills in researching through histories and comparing diffs. Of course, we also need the help. The current lull is an exception to a board that is typically very backlogged. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 15:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Teahouse talkbacks considered helpful

Thank you for the helpful tip! That does make sense, and I'll keep that in mind. Cheers,--xanchester (t) 05:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, Writ Keeper. You have new messages at Thebestofall007's talk page.
Message added 05:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thebestofall007 (talk) 05:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A guide into the world of adminship

Leaf Bed.jpg A benevolent guide for you
You need a guide to help you get through the world of being an admin, so I thought there was nothing better than a brave (Wiki)Puma. Brambleberry of RiverClanmeow 01:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


Can you revert this? I think I'm at 3 already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Hmm, tag-teaming already? Drmies (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Abusive Admin geekster

How's life so far? Are you meeting your block quota? I noticed something: when creating new user talk pages (for vandalism and welcome, for instance), sumptin's wrong--the pull-down menu with Welcome and Warn etc. doesn't show up. I don't know if this is Twinkle related or what, but I figured you do, since you know lots of things. So fix it please.

Did you ride out this storm OK? Drmies (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the storm somehow missed us: we lost power for about 20 minutes Monday morning, but that was it. Lots of rain, but the wind wasn't too bad at all. About your problem: sounds like a Twinkle thing, I'll look into it. And I've blocked a grand total of one person, I think; I have the buttons, but I'm a little scared of them, to be honest. Make of that what you will. Writ Keeper 14:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Wait, what Wikipedia skin do you use? Writ Keeper 14:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
K, found it, it's a bug in Mr. Z-man's refToolbar script. Writ Keeper 14:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Glad to hear you're OK. Thanks for checking--I noticed that Twinkle (if that's what it is) still doesn't show up on pop-up talk page screens. As for "what Wikipedia skin" I use--how the hell would I know? I'm a content contributor: don't ask me technical questions! ;) Drmies (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
One more thing, on the "article contribution" thing: I just spend some time (most of it rather depressing) on WP:AFC, looking at pending submissions. There's a couple hundred left. Plowing through them is good exercise in article evaluation, and along the way one can make helpful article edits. Most of it is poorly written, but it's not all non-notable crap--RazorThreat strikes me as notable, and Mark Bertness, and Eteplirsen (all those need improvement from editors who know how to write those kinds of articles), and we should be glad to have Stanisław Wiórek. Thanks again, WK, Drmies (talk) 16:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, AfC is one of the things I keep meaning to get around to. Anyway, I commented out the bugged script; let me know if your scripts start reappearing. (God, who named this stuff? It took me like five minutes to think of a way to say this that didn't sound like a double-entendre.) Writ Keeper 16:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I just delivered a final warning in a screen prompted by TW, so I think you did your job well. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

A moppet for you!

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Forget about mops, moppets are where it's at!

Heard belatedly about your recent advancement to the Admin ranks. Congratulations, sir! - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 21:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)