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A missing Madman, an unattended bot task[edit]

Madman is still radio silent - I hope they are well, though other pursuits seem to have called them away. I emailed them a little while ago asking for the source code for the Wikipedia:Bureaucrat activity report but have not received any response. Probably we eventually need to replace the ailing Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MadmanBot 13 as well unless they are able to find time for coding bots.

As best I can tell, no bureaucrats unquestionably fail to meet the activity requirements but as days turn to weeks, months, and years, the report will be needed at some time in the future. Do you think you could work on sourcing a replacement?

Good luck =) –xenotalk 04:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Hey, so... happened to think to check on my talk page and bot activity out of the blue... gratified to see things are still going on without me, not as gratified to see it looks like e-mails are no longer working and you had to do August 2017 manually. What can I do to help? I'm hoping that the e-mail issue is a simple framework change that I can resolve by verifying the bot's address or some such. And I'll add my enwiki e-mail address to my phone so I have greater visibility on notifications in the future. As I'm sure you know, I've been away for a while but should have a little bit of time to make some revisions before I'm caught up in madness again. V/r, — madman 01:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I see that the call is for a bureaucrat activity report vs. fixing administrator activity report, but would be happy to do both. Looking into the former; I should still have the source code. — madman
@Madman: actually both - thanks for the note, had @JJMC89: looking in to replacing the admin report - but if you are up for repair and continue that's ok too - don't think we should have 2 bots doing that, so JJMC89 if this is back may need you to stand down on task 13 - but thank you for considering!!! — xaosflux Talk 02:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@Madman: The API has been returning the incorrect response when an email is successfully sent. (See phab:T171416.) xaosflux, I'll wait a bit before withdrawing the task. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: – Ah, that makes sense. If I understand the Phabricator ticket and the roadmap correctly, I think the fix should be out on enwiki now, so that's one thing I don't have to worry about. — madman 22:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@Madman: Yes, the fix is now deployed. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so a.) I found that the notify2 task had been commented out in the inactive-admins crontab; usually I do this when I had to do the second notification on a date other than the 25th for some reason, but I must have forgotten to uncomment it. Rookie mistake... b.) I removed -o and -e on the jsub so all standard output and error will go to a file on the report (it goes through the logging framework anyway), removed the redirection to /dev/null on the crontab entries, and the e-mail from cron will be redirected to my personal e-mail when I get it. I see that the report ran on the 1st but I don't see an attempt to edit the page, which is weird. This may happen when a task exceeds its memory limit so I bumped the memory limit by 25% and we'll see how it goes on the 1st. — madman 02:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Note, there is not a specific fixed "2nd date", though practice is generally "a week before". The 25'th satisfies the "again several days" requirement even for February. — xaosflux Talk 11:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Looks like you want me to tweak the template so there's a line break after each of the iarows? Just a guess... ;) I know how that kind of OCD can be and will tweak after the run I'm monitoring in 7m. Thanks, — madman 00:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Nah, not really :d I would rather that "removed rows" don't leave gaps - or that everything has gaps. I was trying to get rid of an unwanted whitespace, but it was actually the TOC at the resolution I was in! — xaosflux Talk 01:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Mmm, okay; let me know if you want me to revert the new month template changes (I got them in before the clock ran out, though I missed a linebreak after iarow/b and that did bother me). We'll see how a removed row looks when the update task runs and I may tweak the template manipulation functions. The report and notify1 tasks seem to have run without a hitch. — madman 01:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
It looks fine how it is, thank you for the updates. — xaosflux Talk 01:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I see what you're saying about an {{iarow}} being removed for an administrator who's resumed activity but the line break being left. The template library I wrote is pretty generic– it removes the first character of the template instance through the last character, because no other behavior can guarantee formatting doesn't get broken. But I think I can special-case this one in, maybe add an optional parameter to remove a line break following if present. It certainly does look relatively ugly as is. I'll let you know when I make that change. Cheers, — madman 23:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2017[edit]

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Thanks[edit]

Thanks for helping me with my login problem. I already thanked you on the other page, but I felt the need to do so on your page as well, because good things deserve recognition. At first I felt you underestimated my problem by giving me a standard suggestion, and I'm sorry if I seemed to reply a bit harshly to that (being a programmer I had the impression you were thinking about me as a newbie), but after that you've still been very kind and you gave me the solution I needed. I don't know you but I gave a quick look to your user page now and it appears you're a very good administrator and more than that, I'm glad I've been lucky enough to get my problem report to be read by someone as experienced as you. The only thing that's still outstanding is my report on Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q4010562), I hope someone knows how to deal with that because there's no way in the world I'm going to click on a Wikidata link ever again, given what happened the first and only time I ventured there.
Best regards, and thanks again :)
Nineko (talk) 01:20, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nineko: good to hear you are fixed, this looks to be a software bug that a fix will soon be deployed for. Regarding Q4010562, I've dissociated the entries and they are no longer linked at w:en:Via (album) or w:it:Via (Claudio Baglioni) - thank you for bringing attention to that error. Now that your hash is updated you should be able to safely go to wikidata again. I've logged your case to the existing bug report as well. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 01:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, that may be your first attempt to edit on wikidata, but your first visit (logged in post-central auth deployment) was 4 years ago. (see here). You have an unusual number of "visits" on your central auth; these normally only appear for people that have deliberately run a script to attach to every project - I had a hard time finding a project you had never visited to get you working! — xaosflux Talk 01:37, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that, I have to admit that when the central login thing kicked in, I somehow misunderstood how it worked, and I thought I had to visit every possible Wikipedia and every possible related project to make it work, which (believe me or not) I did by hand and not with a script, it took me a good while to do so, too (I later realised I didn't need to do it, which, incidentally, made it possible to solve my login issue). To be honest I completely forgot I visited Wikidata too, and even though there might not be problems for me to go there again, I'm still happier that someone more experienced than me could handle the "Via" song/album issue, though, as I'm not completely sure how Wikidata works and what I should have edited to fix the entry. I might be a programmer and I can administrate websites, yes, but some of Wikipedia's internal workings are still a mystery to me, one I'm not sure I want to unfold :)
Thanks again for everything.
Nineko (talk) 01:53, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
You are most welcome! — xaosflux Talk 01:58, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Anarchyte[edit]

Hello. Just a friendly heads up that you didn't actually promote him; the mop switch is still in the "off" position. 😇 --Dylan620 (I'm all ears) (Chris Cornell 1964–2017) 13:05, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Dylan620: It was stuck in the container had to get some bolt cutters! (Actually the interface seemed to get mad when I added and removed in one step, fixed it right before you messaged). — xaosflux Talk 13:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Ghar Wapsi[edit]

Xaosflux, I'm a little confused about this deletion. Sure, it was created by a blocked sock, but the last revision contained some substantive discussions about the page title and the sources. Surely keeping it serves a better purpose than deletion? Vanamonde (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: than you for letting me know, this one was deleted in error and has been restored. That sock had a large batch of 0-byte empty pages they created, this was not intended to be removed. — xaosflux Talk 11:21, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
No worries, and thank you. Vanamonde (talk) 11:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm going back through that entire batch today, looks like there was a problem with my query - any other of that group that had any other comment will be restored as well. — xaosflux Talk 11:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93:  Done Thanks again - that mess should be all cleaned up now. — xaosflux Talk 11:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

pls[edit]

have a look - I think it needs exterminating User:2001:8003:1006:7400:8DE2:9C6D:B2F6:508C and its edits zapped, just an idea of course... JarrahTree 11:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@JarrahTree:  Done and  Donexaosflux Talk 11:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you much appreciated - great when that stuff goes before it sits there like... JarrahTree 11:32, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Rights[edit]

Take a look at https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/19881

Some of them may need to be removed. XXN, 18:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@XXN: Hi, I actually did a batch of these earlier (c.f. Wikipedia:Database reports/Blocked users in user groups for an automated report) - blocking alone isn't "cause" to remove groups for most of the low security groups, as sometimes editors become unblocked and can resume where they left off. We do occasionally clean these out - but slowly. I starred your query though, looks like it ran fairly quick. — xaosflux Talk 19:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, I didn't knew about that reports page. I just saw that you have removed the rights of a recently blocked sock and I thinked it might be of interest for you to see the whole list of potential candidates to be left without rights :) --XXN, 20:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-28[edit]

15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Single-payer_healthcare[edit]

Xaosflux,

That seems to solve the problem. Thanks.

--Nbauman (talk) 23:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It was a team effort - glad we could help! — xaosflux Talk 23:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies[edit]

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User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js[edit]

Hi Xaosflux. Hope you're doing well. Can you please assist in changing one function in User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js (I've replaced a deprecated function)?

Please change

mw.util.wikiGetlink('Special:NewPages/hidepatrolled'),

to

mw.util.getUrl('Special:NewPages/hidepatrolled'),

Thanks. Lourdes 16:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Lourdes: all set! — xaosflux Talk 00:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you :) Lourdes 00:46, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Talkback User talk:Crazytales[edit]

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Lol![edit]

([3]) I thought I had an edit conflict, but didn't seem to lose anything. :-) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:36, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 July 2017[edit]

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Tech News: 2017-29[edit]

22:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Comma[edit]

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Whoops[edit]

The RfB wasn't yet closed when I started writing that comment; or at least my local cache hadn't updated to show the most recent version yet somehow :P ♠PMC(talk) 13:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Salvidrim RfB[edit]

As you were the one who protected the page, would you consider adding my "support" vote? I had originally intended to support, but was given pause by some of the "opposes". After some investigating and much reflection, I decided my "support" vote was still appropriate; the request was taken down literally as I was in the process of voting. I realize it's not customary to add votes to a closed discussion, but this is largely a technicality. Obviously this isn't a major issue, but in the spirit of IAR, as well as the precedent set by allowing a vote to be stricken after the close, I feel my request is reasonable. Thank you for considering this matter. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Joefromrandb: this is highly unusual, and normally votes added after a closing are reverted. That discussion is over, there is no benefit in continuing the consensus building exercise as the candidate withdrew. My suggestion to you at this point is to leave your comment on the RfB talk page, on the candidate's user talk page - or some sort of message on each. It will be available for anyone reviewing at a later time. — xaosflux Talk 22:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Again, this situation is somewhat of an anomaly, as I was in the process of voting when the RfB was taken down. It's not as though I'm attempting to add my voice to a closed discussion (OK, I kind of am, but you get my point; it was a bizarre sequence of timing that precluded my vote from being registered). I did, in fact add a note to the talk page explaining this. I realize it doesn't change anything, and it's not an exceptionally big deal. I just felt that since precedent has been set in allowing a "support" vote with which the voter was no longer comfortable to be stricken, my request isn't as unusual as it would otherwise be. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Incidentally, I did not in any way mean to insinuate foul play. A user made a reasonable request that his vote be stricken, in light of new information of which he was previously unaware, and Salvidrim, in a show of class, struck the vote. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Adding more to that discussion will not help improve the encyclopedia at this point, the options I gave you above allow both your voice to be heard and/or you to let the candidate know your sentiments. — xaosflux Talk 23:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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RevDel[edit]

Hi Xaosflux, regarding these two revision deletions [8] [9], I don't believe that RD6 applies. The intention of that criteria is that it applies to mistakes in previous redactions not administrator actions. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 07:24, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Callanecc: I made some adjustments, - I referenced the wrong change reason the first time and didn't want that attached to that user unnecessarily - take a look at the public display that is now showing here: Special:UserRights/Polyporales. If you still object I'll revert that last one as well. — xaosflux Talk 11:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I guess there's a technical policy issue, but IAR would absolutely apply to this bit (now that it's clear what you were doing - fixing). Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 03:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for feedback, will call this done for now. — xaosflux Talk 03:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Case opened[edit]

You were recently listed as a party to or recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 6, 2017, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 16:59, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Please stop thte bot![edit]

It is current changing "X architecture in New York" to "X architecture in New York (state)", but it needs to differentiate between places in New York state and places in New York City, otherwise someone is going to have to do it later. The ambiguity betwen "New York" meaning the city and "New York" meaning the state is not being solved with these changes, it is simply all being pushed into the state, which is not correct. Please stop the bot's run. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: @Black Kite: - I replied at Wikipedia_talk:Bot_Approvals_Group#Bot_stop_needed. — xaosflux Talk 12:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-30[edit]

15:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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A barnstar for you! Tallahassle (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

"hide bots"[edit]

Can you tell me how to hide bots? I can't even figure out how to easily detect them, let alone hide them. If you just meant hide edits made under a bot flag, that's easy but almost useless: the complaints about Mag.* were substantially about edits made under his main account flooding watchlists, plus the perennial pseudo-debate about whether AWB is a bot (depending on what mode it's in etc). In the last Mag case I remember learning that lots of AWB edits are identified in the edit summary, but lots more aren't.

If I haven't looked at an article in a while, I like to look at its history since last time, to see how editors have changed it (i.e. the series of creative human decisions steering the article's development). That means I want to ignore every automated edit of any sort, not just the ones made under bot flags. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks.

173.228.123.121 (talk) 09:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi 173.228.123.121. Hidebots is not a standard feature of page histories, it is for Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlists. Watchlists are only available for editors with an account. Account holders can also use user scripts to hide things client-side on their watchlists, see Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists. You could possibly make a localhost set of javascripts/cascading style sheets to modify your client without an account. The 'bot assertion' flag is not stored in the page history, only in the recent changes tables used by watchlists recent changes feeds. It would be possible, but could be locally processing intense, for you to write a custom script that would hide page history based on string matches for usernames, or recursive queries of each editor to pull their groups. I don't recommend trying to hide only 'bots' on a history view - for example you would still have the line for vandals, but not the line showing that their vandalism was reverted (by a bot). — xaosflux Talk 11:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, and good point about the vandal reversion bots, though there are only a few bots to do that, so I could make exceptions for them. I looked at recent changes just now and I do see a link to hide or unhide bot edits. But, I thought that only meant the edit was made under a bot flag: is that right?
  • I thought that it was possible for bot operators (when using a bot account holding the bot permission) to turn off the bot flag for particular edits, when they do want the edits to be on recent changes. So the presence of a bot permission in the user rights doesn't always mean the edit would be hidden by recent changes under "hide bots". I'm not sure of this though.
  • Is it possible to randomly access the recent changes log? I.e. can I easily tell from it whether a given 3 year old edit would have been hidden?
  • One of the contentions in the ongoing arb case is about Magioladitis running bots on his main account. That account has never been in the bot group, so hide bots on recent changes wouldn't have hidden them.
  • It sounds like not storing the bot assertion in the edit history is a loss of information that probably should be fixed in the server code.
I have plenty of local processing power so the approach of getting the user groups is doable, but I don't see how to handle the case where a given account makes a mixture of bot edits and "real" edits, and I only want to see the real ones. "Hide bots" even if I could use it doesn't seem to help much with this problem. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 00:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Accounts with bot access "may" flag their edits as bot (and if they use the webapi it is the default); generally they are expected to with some specific exceptions. As far as editors you don't want to see - you can hide them from your watchlist with javascript, or you can hide things based on summaries (like "using AWB") - this is not foolproof. Some of these features are best done with integrated userscripts, but you will need to create an account to use that. For logged out users, bots are hidden by default on Special:RecentChanges - you can toggle it with the "show bots/hide bots" options. The recent changes tables are only 30 days old, 'bot assertions' are not part of attribution requirements and are not stored in page histories. In general, editors are not expected to make high-speed minor edits. Normal edits usually use the webui, so would not be flagged as "bot" - as they would have to specifically unflag every single edit use a uri parameter to not-flag an edit. — xaosflux Talk 00:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again. Thinking about it further, what I really want amounts to a Turing test on edits, so I can't expect the wiki software to do that. I.e. I don't want to ignore all the edits of user XYZ, but only the automated ones, which requires being able to tell them apart, and there is no explicit metadata I can use for that (I can think up some heuristics). It's unfortunate that the bot assertion isn't stored in the page history: was that a deliberate decision? There's all kinds of important metadata in the page history that aren't needed for pure attributional purposes, and the bot assertion is something I'd have wanted to keep.

Separately, are you saying most automated edits these days are made by browser scripts through the web ui? I would have expected them to use the editing API, but that info doesn't seem to be preserved either. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

From a statistical point, "most" automated edits would be made via the writeapi, and most common bot frameworks include using the bot assertion flag. If using the webui, they would specifically have to unflag an edit. For example I run a bot that performs various tasks on multiple projects and languages. Occasionally I will do the task manually using the webui, logged in as my bot - I don't have to specifically declare it as a bot edit. There are a collection on enhancement requests being discussed regarding history data and even hide bots. You can follow or join in the discussion at this phab:T18228 task, and its related tasks. Please note, adding to phabricator discussions does require creating an account. — xaosflux Talk 03:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Especially: phab:T13181. — xaosflux Talk 03:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks once more! I'll look at those Phab tickets. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-31[edit]

21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2017[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Abbreviations[edit]

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Interesting[edit]

I'm assuming this is your playground — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.186.67.54 (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello. This is a User talk page. Every editor has one and it can be used to ask questions, leave messages, etc. — xaosflux Talk 15:49, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yobot 53[edit]

Since I replied to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 53. Should we revive the discussion about approving it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Magioladitis: as task 53 is only marked as expired, feel free to revert the expiration and relist at anytime or create a new task if it will be significantly different - whichever works best for you. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 21:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Feel fee to comment. I am trying to focus on re-organising the non-controversial tasks. Especially, the non-CHECKWIKI ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:52, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Question about the "Oversight" revisions you have there[edit]

Hello there,Xaos. I noticed as of lately that there has been a recent Revdelete action here on your talkpage. I checked that IP,and apparently,it says in the filter log about some sort of a "Customer service ticket" transcription. And apparently,it has been removed by Oversight due to it being "Purely disruptive material",as you said it. Could you please elaborate? As i dont see why such an edit about a customer service ticket should be revdeleted. I thought that was reserved for blatant viruses and personal attacks only. 78.98.82.157 (talk) 17:10, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes there was a revdel, no there was not an oversight (suppression). What was removed was a large non-wikipedia related copy/paste that has been placed on multiple pages in a purely disruptive manner that potentially contains inappropriate material. As for the abuse log, please specific about which exact entry in Special:AbuseLog you are referring to. — xaosflux Talk 21:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Here is the log for 178.41.181.147 for reference. — xaosflux Talk 21:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I see what you are referring to in that log now, and those obviously have nothing to do with Wikipedia. The closest we have to a "customer service ticket" would be an WP:OTRS request. — xaosflux Talk 21:39, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm,upon closer inspection,i see that the stuff about that "Martha Partridge" was originally some sort of an post on the nosleep subreddit. Apparently,it details a series of weird occurings at a most likely fictional website called happygames.com. It seems that IP was quite obsessed with it as a matter of fact. Probably someone who got too immersed,perhaps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.82.157 (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-33[edit]

23:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Misbehaving bot[edit]

Hello. As a member of the Bot Approvals Group, you may be able to assist me with a problem. User:Cydebot has merged "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia) politicians" into "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia 2001–10) politicians". The parties, however, are not the same. Have you any suggestions on the best way to correct this situation? CJCurrie (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) First, there appear to be only three affected articles, so any changes can simply be done manually. Second, the category name "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia 2001–10) politicians" is not compliant with MOS:DATERANGE. It should be "2001–2010". Third, it looks like the recent merge was performed by Merge bot, not Cydebot. Have you tried posting to Merge bot's talk page? – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @CJCurrie: The Cydebot change was three years ago and there are only a couple of pages, the "best way" would be to just create whatever category is appropriate and updates the articles by hand. The actual recent deletion is a one-off job to clean up old Cydebot moves, if you create a new you should not run in to it repeating. — xaosflux Talk 01:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah, okay then. I had images of the bot continuing to "correct" the category page every time it was restored. CJCurrie (talk) 01:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Request[edit]

I want you to restore my userrights which you had removed last year.[36]MBlaze Lightning T 06:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done @MBlaze Lightning: Welcome back. — xaosflux Talk 10:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! —MBlaze Lightning T 15:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Objection - ADMINACCT[edit]

I discovered this [37]. Please WP:ADMINACCT for greenlighting a further interaction ban violation instead of blocking for breaching the interaction ban with the question. Legacypac (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I felt this was in spirit of the original ban that allows each of you to comment on discussions started by the other about third parties, without directly interacting with each other. I do not feel that asking for clarification of the ban components is block worthy. If after reviewing this you still object I will post at AN for review by other admins. Please reply here. — xaosflux Talk 14:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Arguably there should have been no comment on the Taku thread at all as I'm pretty heavily involved with User:Hauster in trying to rationalize Taku's drafts. His first comment is essentially discussing my editing, as I'm the most active person clearing Draft space and that activity takes up a large percentage of my edits. (the edit I recalled was to another thread) If a person feels the need to ask for permission, it suggests they know it's against the rule, and they are moving into forbidden territory. I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just VERY interested in fully protecting a restriction I took a lot of abuse and an unfair editing restriction to finally achieve. Legacypac (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@Legacypac: Without getting into the substance of this, please note that there is no need or reason to reference "ADMINACCT" in asking an administrator a question about one of his or her comments or actions. Most, if not almost all, admins will gladly respond to such questions, so there is no need to preemptively remind them via a policy citation that they are supposed to do so. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
xaoflux is a good admin, but Admins generally have recently failed miserably at protecting me from Abuse. One of them is now at ArbComm partly for adding to the abuse. "unexplained administrator actions can demoralize other editors who lack such tools" was why I linked to policy. At this point I'm not interested in taking this issue to ANi. I apprecite xaosflux's detailing of his thought process, and I hope he will appreciate why I find his action frustrating. Perhaps he will consider if the post he greenlighted went beyond the limited permission he granted. See you all next time the IBAN is pushed or broken. Legacypac (talk) 14:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@Legacypac: I did consider that the posting would be in a gray area and watched to see what was posted. I understand this is a delicate situation. Please note, had you wanted to make a similar post my response would have been the same. Additionally, if this becomes a recurring trend I won't be as supportive and will note on the other greenlight that it was for that instance only. — xaosflux Talk 15:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank-you very much. I will not be wanting to make such post but thanks for the balance :) Legacypac (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

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Help with AWB[edit]

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ACTRIAL[edit]

Hi Xaosflux. The trial goes live in just 5 days on 7 Sept. We're still looking for an admin to volunteer to make the changes to the site interface. The list of changes is at Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial#User interface messages. It's only a few minutes work. Any chance you could help? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I'll check on my work scheduled, it looks like the new interface messages can be made in advance (nothing is calling them now). Admin Scottywong already did initial work on this - don't want to step on his toes if he is already on deck? — xaosflux Talk 01:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I've asked Scott as well, but as he's retired I don't really want him to feel he has to do it if he doesn't want to. We just need to be sure an admin will be around to do it - and knows what he is doing. I'm out of town most of this coming week. Danny Horn has assured me this morning that the WMF is on schedule so, yes, it could be done any time now really. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I look over it tomorrow and do as much in advance as possible. — xaosflux Talk 01:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Soounds good. Thank your very much. I have an alt account that has never edited that can do some checking for function. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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Re:[edit]

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