User talk:Xerographica

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Proposed deletion of Ioby[edit]

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The article Ioby has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Does not indicate notability. Seems to fail WP:GNG.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ioby[edit]

Hello Xerographica,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Ioby for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, The Wikimon (talk) 12:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

March 2013[edit]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistent disruptive editing. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  (✉→BWilkins←✎) 01:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Rich, Rubin and SPECIFICO have been consistently harassing/stalking me... Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive786#User:Xerographica... yet I'm the one who ends up indefinitely blocked? They are clearly violating the Wikipedia policy against harassment...WP:Harassment...yet not once has an admin even warned them to cease and desist their harassment. Here are some of the articles that I've created... *Benefit principle *Forced rider problem *Preference revelation *Civic crowdfunding *Government waste *The Other Invisible Hand *Motivation, Agency, and Public Policy *Scroogenomics *Tax choice *Pars pro toto principle All of them, with the exception of tax choice, have been created within the past 5 months. Except, most of my time has been spent dealing with harassment from these three editors. Here's a recent example... Talk:Forced_rider_problem#See_also_items_removed. For reference, here's a recent example of constructive (as in based on reliable sources) collaboration between myself and another editor...Talk:Public_choice#Preference_revelation. Xerographica (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Decline reason:

See WP:NOTTHEM. You must address your own conduct, not that of others.  Sandstein  11:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

This is an awful mistake. Xerografica's contributions to WP proves his edits are not disruptive. Sandstein referred to WP:NOTTHEM, but according to WP:AOHA, accusing others of harassment "can be seen as a personal attack if harassment is alleged without clear evidence that the others' action is actually harassment", but there is clear evidence of wikihounding, that's why Xerographica addressed the conduct of others. Also, BWilkins' unilateral blocking decision configures WP:ADMINABUSE and is extremely damaging to WP, since Xerographica has done a great work and contributed a lot and I'm sure many future contributions will be missed because of this block. --Hugo Spinelli (talk) 08:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I don't want Xero blocked, and this is far from unilateral - but thanks for watching. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't want Xero blocked, either, for what it's worth. I think he could be of great use to the project. I just don't think he has been. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Bwilkins, please, I'm serious, your sarcasms are not helping. Rubin, I don't know how you can possibly say that. Do you have some personal aversion to libertarianism or something? Do you know SPECIFICO or Srich personally? This block is just insane! Blocking someone indefinitely for complaining about being harassed?! --Hugo Spinelli (talk) 19:26, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
True, Xerographica addressed the conduct of others by posting an ANI as to myself and others. However, that discussion turned and focused on his behavior. He just didn't get it and turned to posting complaints of harassment on article talk pages, etc. That alternative method of addressing the conduct of others was not legitimate.
True, Xerographica might have been a contributor to the project. But his contributions were outweighed, by far, by disruptive edits.
True, some of Xerographica's contributions – rather, stubs – have been worthwhile. Take one of the examples he provides: Scroogenomics. He creates it and then adds a category & a See also. Let's give him a Barnstar for his effort. (And two more for The Other Invisible Hand and Motivation, Agency, and Public Policy.)
True, others have been wikihounding him. But "[t]he important component of wikihounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or to the project generally, for no overriding reason. [Emphasis added.] Xerographica chose to characterize the followups on this edits as hounding and harrassment. He chose to not enjoy the collaborative effort we are engaged in. He chose to react negatively at each stage of the "hounding" when I and many, many others patiently pleaded, begged, cajoled, insisted, admonished, suggested, advised, etc. that he straighten up. The overriding reason of the hounding was to have him participate as a member of the community, but he lashed out and 73% of his edits have been to non-article spaces.
True, I nominated Club theory for deletion (see section below). Also true that I took the material Xerographica had supplied (including Buchanan) and posted it [1] in Club goods before posting the AfD. But Xerographica takes this normal collaborative process and distorts it into an attack on me.
I submit that Xerographica will always find fault with others, never himself. (Evidence: "I should have just posted the warnings on their talk pages.") I submit that unblocking him would only result in a renewal of this behavior, and thereby waste more time of other contributors. – S. Rich (talk) 19:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
PS: I submit that Xerographica is complaining too much about the supposed hounding. In fact, I suspect he enjoys it and actually seeks to provoke contentious discussions. Evidence: His comment on the ANI he lodged. "Xerographica's had enough of an ANI beating ... can we close the thread now? NE Ent 03:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC) [...] No way, I'm a sucker for abuse. It's why I thrived in the infantry.[...] --Xerographica (talk) 08:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)" [Emphasis added to distinguish Xerographica's comment.] See: [2]S. Rich (talk) 21:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Don't get me wrong, I do love a good debate...and I have absolutely no problem with people personally attacking me. Thanks to the infantry I've developed an extremely thick skin. So I'd much much much prefer it if you followed me around insulting me rather than making edits that do not reflect what the reliable sources say about the topics. Why? Simply because your insults would not at all harm me but your unsubstantiated edits do harm the readers.

Let's review. Rubin nominated concentrated benefits and diffuse costs for deletion... Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Concentrated_benefits_and_diffuse_costs. Why? For the same reason you nominated club theory for deletion. Despite an overwhelming amount of evidence that I provided in the AfD...and despite the obvious lack of consensus...Bwilkins redirected concentrated benefits and diffuse costs to tragedy of the commons.

After the redirect, I gave Bwilkins the opportunity to look over the sources and reverse his decision... User_talk:Bwilkins/Archive_11#Concentrated_benefits_and_diffuse_costs... but he was more interested in saving face. Even when an economics professor vouched for the notability of the topic... User_talk:Bwilkins/Archive_11#Concentrated_benefits_and_diffuse_costs_2... he still wouldn't admit that he made a mistake.

Then despite the fact that Bwilkins was clearly involved in the dispute...he blocked me... User_talk:Xerographica/Archive_2#ANI_Notice_--_as_you_wish. I said that it was additional evidence of his incompetence. Shortly after that, I was blocked for two weeks because I said that Rich was "willfully ignoring reliable sources"... User_talk:Xerographica/Archive_3#Courtesy. In my unblock request I mentioned that Bwilkins was involved in the dispute. And guess who indefinitely blocked me? Bwilkins.

And here you are, arguing that I enjoy it when you, Rubin and SPECIFICO follow me around making edits that clearly do not reflect what the reliable sources say. It boggles my mind how oblivious you are. I obviously f'ing detest your shoddy editing. What I do enjoy is collaborating with editors like Hugo Spinelli and Thomasmeeks. Why? It's not because we agree on everything...or even on most things. It's because they're competent. In other words, they're interested enough in the subjects they edit to actually read the relevant reliable sources. And they do not edit subjects without first having done adequate research.

Bwilkins doesn't care about the project. If he did then he'd support edits based on due diligence. What he cares about is his power. This is simply his ego trip and nothing more. And the fact of the matter is that he's too incompetent to realize that he's clearly involved in the dispute. I shouldn't have been indefinitely blocked for saying that you three editors have been wikihounding me. At most I should have been blocked for a week for saying it in the wrong places. But you really don't have to block somebody to help them understand that warnings should only be posted on editor's talk pages. The excessiveness of the punishment only makes sense when viewed from the perspective of Bwilkins' clear long-term involvement. Clearly he doesn't want editors around who have no problem calling him out on his incompetence. --Xerographica (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you don't realize it, you can be blocked from editing this talk page. Why? Because you persist in attacking the integrity of other editors. While Bwilkins won't respond with such a block because of your personal attack, I'm sure other administrators are willing to do so. If you had any sense, you'd strike out these aggressive, offensive passages and issue apologies to all concerned. – S. Rich (talk) 03:47, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I personally refuse to be baited by the above absolutely bizarre interpretation of WP:INVOLVED. I believe I first became aware of Xero after I deleted an article at WP:AFD. Their "argument" certainly was not convincing, and they were directed to DRV. Neither makes me "involved". They then became a regular topic of complaint at ANI - and I watchlisted this page accordingly. That did not make me "involved". I implemented a block based purely on behaviour. That did not make me "involved". I attempted to teach Xero how to act within the community - that didn't make me involved, but it made me "engaged". The spectacular down-in-flames behaviour of Xero led to the current indefinite (not infinite) block, by me - but no, I'm not "involved". A crapload of people have gone out of their way to explain such things as "telling you you're fucking up is NOT harassment"; "claiming harassment without actual proof is a personal attack"; and "no, that does not eveb approach harassment, so stop saying it is or else it's a personal attack". You claim to have "thick skin"; bullshit. You may indeed have a thicker cranium because with all the whack of knowledgable resources who have all tried to pour information into your head, you fail to learn anything by either brute force or osmosis. It's your way or the highway, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a "harasser". That's not the way this project works. You do have much to add to the project: however, when you become a timesink, you become blocked Bloggins. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Xerographica[edit]

Would you be interested to help me on this project? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

I am trying to duplicate this economic report for all 196 countries. Would you be willing to contribute by duplicating this model for another country?

United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/sandbox

Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Ioby for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ioby is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ioby until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Demonstrated preference[edit]

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The article Demonstrated preference has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

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Nomination of Pars pro toto principle for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pars pro toto principle is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pars pro toto principle until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jinkinson talk to me What did he do now? 21:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Futarchy[edit]

Today I learned about futarchy. I also learned that its Wikipedia entry is little more than a stub and has been for the past decade. For the past decade? Seriously?

The evidence is abundantly clear that Wikipedia's rate of improvement in the area of economics is abysmal.

When I saw the Wikipedia futarchy page my first instinct was to improve it. But then I remembered that I'm indefinitely banned.

When I created and improved Wikipedia economics articles there were several other editors also doing so. If not, then I wouldn't have been banned. Yet, how come these other editors haven't continued to improve the articles that they edited alongside me? This clearly indicates that they had absolutely no interest in improving the articles. Which means that they had absolutely no interest in the topics. And no interest in the topics clearly reflects their lack of knowledge on the topics. Therefore, they shouldn't have been editing the articles in the first place.

Anyways, somebody should add tax choice to futarchy's "see also" section and vice versa. Tax choice would create a market in the public sector and futarchy would create a speculation market for public policies. Both systems would help aggregate information by giving people the opportunity to put their money where their mouths are. --Xerographica (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)