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How come?[edit]

Hey Yerevantsi,

I wonder, how come all these links and references, which were numerous, are nonsensical, while specifically the two you added are not? Some specific reason that labels them all as unusable? Most are indeed not good at all, but could be supportive. That being said, the links you added are between 5 and 8 years old; maybe something more up-to-date is better? I will ask an user who lives in Iran as well and thus can read and write in Farsi to provide some proper up to date stuff. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

In the modern times, there have never been half a million Armenians in Iran. It's a ridiculous figure. Plus, it comes from an atlas. There haven't been much demographic changes in 5-8 years in Iran. Citing a 2012 that is clearly false is no better than citing a 2007 scholastic article on the subject specifically. christianexaminer.com article cites "Compass Direct News of Santa Ana, Calif., which provides reports on Christians worldwide who are persecuted for their faith." it doesn't seem to be a reliable source. Neither is Ajam Media Collective (ajammc.com). After revewing the rest of the sources, two do seem to be appropriate (Semerdjian, The Hill and Mirzoyan 2010). Both of these two books are about Armenians, with the first one being specifically on Iranian Armenians. --Երևանցի talk 08:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
True, the number of 500,000 is clear nonsense. The problem is however that Iran hasn't had any reliable census for decades, which makes us have to search for multiple reliable sources to get a rough indication of their numbers. Its like with the Azeris in Iran. Most sources in the world state a number that comprises 24-30% of Iran's population, but for years (until some days ago, actually) the only somewhat recognized institutional sourcing provided by the CIA world factbook stated a number of 16% (even though until some years ago they held the number stabily on 25%). Thanks for re-adding the other two sources. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Çınar and Arıkan article pdf[edit]

Hi, I can send you a full text pdf of:

to fulfill your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive16#Nationalist Action Party. Please use Special:EmailUser to email me so that I can reply with the pdf as an attachment. Regards, Worldbruce (talk) 03:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: please send it to YerevantsiWiki@yandex.com --Երևանցի talk 08:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Տուշպա[edit]

Բարև՛ Ձեզ դուք հեռացնել Տուշպա քաղաք անունը ստացել պատմական Հայաստանի մայրաքաղաք ցուցակում, սակայն Կաղապար այս անունով դեռ այնտեղ. Ես ուզում եմ իմանալ, թե հեռացնելու այս անունը ճիշտ է կամ սխալ է տեղի ունեցել, շնորհակալ եմModern Sciences (talk) 01:03, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Regarding this line[edit]

Hello Yerevantsi,

Regarding the first line of the body of the Armenian Genocide page;

"Armenia had come largely under Ottoman rule during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries."

Is Greater Armenia meant here in general? (Which would be incorrect) Or just Western Armenia? Just thought of hopping by for a sec to get your opinion.

Oh, also, in case you also happen to celebrate it these days; a Merry Christmas to you! If not, I will probably re-mention it again to you in some days ;-)

Bests and take care,

- LouisAragon (talk) 05:30, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

The term "Armenia" referred to a large area, which he can conventionally call Greater Armenia here. Yes, it should say Western Armenia, because Eastern Armenia was never entirely conquered by the Turks and remained largely under Persian rule until 1828. --Երևանցի talk 08:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I disagree, and have returned it to just "Armenia". The term Western Armenia as used in the article refers to the result of the division of Armenia created by the Ottoman conquest of most of historical Armenia. So, it did not exist before that event - there was not a "Western Armenia" entity to be conquered. But better take this to the article's talk page. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Because you disagree, you decided to just plainly revert it, instead of perhaps placing a comment on the link that I provided in the edit summary, that stated that we had some kind of a discussion. Great approach. I appreciate your concerns, however, I believe there are unfortunately problems and incorrectnesses regarding your argument. The concept of East and Western Armenia has always been roughly synonymous to the concept at the time of the Genocide, be it that Eastern Armenia had by then just come for about a 100 years in Russian hands, from 1828 to be precise. With your edit you're unfortunately erraneaously stating as if a notion of Western Armenia (which has always been comprising roughly the same territory) was only in use from the early 20th century, and differed to that in terms of concept as how it has been used for earlier periods of Armenian history. Scholars have been using the terms "Western and Eastern Armenia" for numerous era's in Armenian history, notably and only for when historical Armenia was split between the Byzantines-Sasanids, the Safavids-Ottomans, and later when Russia conquered Eastern Armenia from Iran, and the territory became thus divided between Russia and the Ottomans. I believe 1915 or the years prior to that makes the concept/the territory it roughly comprise(d) no different (in the very sense of the word) from how it was used earlier. Furthermore, the Ottomans indeed never entirely conquered Eastern Armenia, or held it for any extended period, thus theres a clear distinction. Western Armenia, from the 16th century and on, virtully literally equals to the Ottoman/Turkish dominated parts of historical Armenia. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
There are serious flaws in your reasoning. However, this page is not the proper forum. Would you please use the article's talk page. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Grant High School (Los Angeles)[edit]

You might be interested in Grant High School (Los Angeles): it has a lot of Armenian students and there had been some incidents of racial tension with the Mexican and Latino students. I wonder if there's more info about the Armenian students and their backgrounds.

On the Armenian Wikipedia I am putting out a request for somebody to start an Armenian stub about the school. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Former Armenian Cathedral in Anteb[edit]

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Do you speak Turkish? Saint Gregory the Illuminator Church of Kayseri - I created this one, too. It is the only still functioning Armenian church in Central Anatolia. Do you want to create an English article about it? And do you have a photograph of it?--84.142.117.183 (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Kalustyan's[edit]

Hi Yerevantsi,

Kalustyan's has an interesting history. The area around Kalustyan's is now called "Curry Hill" in New York City. It is a direct result of Mr Kalustyan's shop. Thus Kalustyan's has played a historic role in transformation of an entire neighborhood in New York City.

Kalustyan's was regarded to be an Indian grocery store. Even today, to some extent it is. Kalustyan's was the forerunner of the hundreds of Indian grocery stores in USA today.

Please allow me a few days to complete the article.

Incidentally one of my friends also has the same first name as yours -Yerevan.

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Otto von Bismarck[edit]

Bismarck referred to Socialists specifically, among others, as "Enemies of the Reich". He tried to outlaw them and almost succeeded in doing do. Please do not make content edits -- and reversions, no less -- when you have no idea of what you're talking about. BMK (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how referred to them. Many, if not most, conservatives consider Obama their enemy and a traitor. Doesn't mean we have to use those terms in Wikipedia. Why not use quote Bismarck instead ? Երևանցի talk 19:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I've provided the necessary sources, that ends it. BMK (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Armenian[edit]

Yerevantsi,

Eastern and Western are always relevant, regardless of the fact Eastern is primarily spoken in Armenia. To list something in the Eastern spelling then call it Armenian is intellectually dishonest. It makes a non-speaker believe there is only one form of Armenian. I am giving you a kind vandalism warning.

Western Armenia is irrelevant whether you like it or not. All official and unofficial literature in the Republic of Armenia is in Eastern Armenian. Try to familiarize yourself with basic Wikipedia guidelines before giving me a baseless "warning". --Երևանցի talk 19:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

It does not matter. In this world, Western Armenian is still spoken. "In the Republic of Armenia" doesn't matter. You're not too good with logic, are you? What is officially spoken in Armenia has nothing to do with the Wikipedia page. If that were the case, a page on Western Armenian would not exist. Your opinion does not trump reality. And, you're also quite wrong, as all church documentation is in Krapar or Western Armenian. You familiarize yourself.

So what ? Western Armenia has no relevance in Gyumri and all of modern-day Republic of Armenia. Yes it does, Gyumri is part of the Republic of Armenia and not a country where Western Armenian is an officially recognized spelling. Also, the "Western Armenian" spelling of Yerevan (Երեւան) is in reality the Classical Armenian spelling. Iranian Armenians do not speak Western Armenian, but they still use the classical orthography. I've added that spelling to the note next to its pronunciation in the intro. The church is highly irrelevant here. And even it was, how does that make Western Armenian relevant. Do you know the difference between Grabar and Western Armenian? because you seem to confuse the two. I agree that the classical spelling is somewhat relevant because it was in use for centuries. But why Western Armenian? I was the one who added the classical spelling to the First Republic of Armenia, United Armenia, Aram Manukian and other articles' intros, because the relevance is evident in those cases. Western Armenian (not classical) spelling of Gyumri is not in any way. --Երևանցի talk 06:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Again, you fail to have logic. The fact of whether or not it is spoken is Gyumri or Armenia DOES NOT MATTER. It is a language spoken by millions and still has relevance in the world as a whole. I do know the difference between Krapar and Western - they are more closely related than any other dialects of Armenian. Krapar is the purest Armenian spoken, and western is closest to it. So, I don't know what your vendetta is on Western Armenian, but I will keep reverting the changes. I will, also, post a 3rd and final warning if either of the changes are reverted, and then bring admins into the dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talkcontribs) 20:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yerevantsi - It's time to bring a moderator into this. You just have a chip on your shoulder, for some reason, towards Western Armenian. It will be, and has been, always relevant. Have a little respect for the most widely spoken dialect of Armenian. And, use a little logic once in a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talkcontribs) 10:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

So, I am going to make a formal mediation request. Do you agree to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talkcontribs) 13:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Again, I had to revert back to Western Armenian on the Yerevan article. I am not the only person to tell you your changes are disingenuous. Please refrain from changing the classification which is factual. HyeSK (talk) 22:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)HyeSK

@HyeSK:, I reverted your edit on the Yerevan page as I have to concur with Yerevantsi that your revision brings in simply obsolete information. The Western Armenian translation has no relevance on the article. Eastern Armenian is the official dialect of the Republic of Armenia (of which Yerevan is the capital), and the utter vast majority of the Armenians in Armenia speak the Eastern variant of the language. Western Armenian is virtually exclusively spoken in the diaspora. If you still think that his revision is incorrect, then please bring your concerns to WP:ANI. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:02, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@LouisAragon - I will be reverting them back, and it is NOT AT ALL irrelevant and I have made that perfectly clear. And, your information is completely incorrect. Western is more widely spoken. Also I didn't know the number of speakers made a language more or less relevant. HyeSK (talk) 15:06, 7 August 2016 (UTC)HyeSK

@HyeSK:, the only thing that you made clear is your own POV and personal stance. I'm dearly sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't work like that. It's based on what the reliable sources tell us. Therefore, unfortunately your own opinion accounts for nothing here. Oh, consider yourself reported if you revert it again, for continuously and blatantly violating WP:RS, WP:WAR and WP:BRD. That is, if you continue to revert without presenting any reliable sources that back up the so-called "high significance" of Western Armenian in Yerevan or the Armenian Republic as a whole the way you present it. As well as, most importantly, bringing sources to show that it's an official language of the Republic of Armenia, as those are the main merits to be included. If you're able to present reliable sources that back this up, then we obviously won't have any objections against its inclusion. In fact we would support it. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 16:25, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@Louisaragon: - Actually, that is what you have done. Only your personal opinion is what you are using. How does the official language of Armenia change what Western Armenia is and that it is the most widely spoken. Your reasons for changing it are blatantly false, which is why you have ignored it. Report me, go ahead. I will return the favor. HyeSK (talk) 21:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)HyeSK

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Congratulations, and thanks for making a great article ;) --Al Ameer (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words. --Երևանցի talk 07:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion for DYK[edit]

Hi Yerevantsi,

For the Aivazovsky DYK, I'd suggest placing the $$$ amount (i.e. "$5.2 million") on the ALT2 hook. It might be more catchy like that. People like big numbers. What do you think? @The Almightey Drill: as reviewer, your opinion is also welcome. Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree. I've added the amount. --Երևանցի talk 07:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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Casualties[edit]

Regarding your edit here [1], per the newest source there is here [2] Armenia is claiming 300 dead Azeri and 2,000 wounded. Also, one of the sources you inserted was a twitter post. Per Wikipedia policy, Twitter is generally not allowed to be used as a source because it is not verifiable. And even if it was, both the post and your other source are dated from April 5th. The newer source is from April 6th, which makes the other two sources (including the post) out-of-date and Wiki policy requires us to use newer up-to-date sources. Hope all this clears it up. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

EkoGraf I didn't cite just a random Twitter account. It's the official account of the NKR defense ministry. I agree with using the latest one, but how is an article covering an Armenian diaspora protest a good source? If that's really the case (out of the 2,000 casulties only 300 being dead) then why can't you find a better source? I'm not saying it's wrong. --Երևանցի talk 19:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Its an Armenian source and as that it goes under the category of Armenian claims. Just as we put cited Azeri sources under Azeri claims. There are several other Armenian sources claiming the 300 dead, but this is the only source (so far) that I could find claiming the number of wounded (2,000). As for the twitter post read here WP:TWITTER. EkoGraf (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

news.am[edit]

  • The news website http://news.am is a useful source of information; when did its manager stop letting its readers add comments to its news articles? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't follow Armenian news sites closely. In any case, from my experience, most Armenian internet users usually comment under Facebook posts of news articles instead of news websites. --Երևանցի talk 09:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Crimea[edit]

According to general consensus on most reliable English sources Crimea is not a "natural part of Russia" but a part of Ukraine annexed by Russia without Ukraine's permission. This should be mentioned on articles dealing with Crimea. Hence your edit here was not up to Wikipedia standards. But I corrected this already. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Nobody said Crimea is a "natural part" of Russia. Whether we like it or not, Crimea is controlled by Russia. I wouldn't mind if Crimea was a separate section or under (a new) Ukraine section. Not an issue for me at all. --Երևանցի talk 06:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Since the accusation of Grey Wolves activities in Crimea was only in Russian media it makes more logic sense to keep the section on Crimea where it is now. Thanks for your cooperative spirit! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Any reasons?[edit]

[3] [4] such your edits need explanation and consensus at talk. Deletion of native names is controversial (WP:Idontlikeit). OptimusView (talk) 09:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
For Jamala, see Talk:Jamala#Armenian_transliteration_of_name. Armenian is not her native language. As for Balasanyan, the Armenian spelling of his name is pretty much redundant in the template. It's already placed in the intro. If you really care, you can add it back to the template. It's just a style issue for me. --Երևանցի talk 09:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Moved Armenians in 1826-1829[edit]

Hey Yerevantsi, I was wondering whether you have more knowledge about this matter. I'm trying to pinpoint down how many Armenians moved/were moved in the aftermath of the 1826-1828 Russo-Persian War and the 1828-1829 Russo-Turkish War, as I want to bring and keep some consistency on these articles. However, the numbers given are kinda inconsistent regarding the matter. F.e, this reference by Herzig & Kurkchiyan (2004), p.66 states that "As many as 45,000 from Persia and 100,000 from the Ottoman Empire left for Russian-controlled territory after the end of the 1826-8 Russo-Persian War and 1828-9 Russo-Ottoman Wars." I've read other estimates given by other reliable authors as well. Any opinion/idea as for what numbers we should keep it at? Have you, by any chance, stored some references/information about this? Thanks in advance. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Those numbers seem pretty reasonable to me. I do recall reading some other estimates. I'll try to do some research and will let you now my opinion. --Երևանցի talk 18:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: Another authoritative book, Hacikyan, Agop Jack; Basmajian, Gabriel; Franchuk, Edward S.; Ouzounian, Nourhan (2005). The Heritage of Armenian Literature: From the eighteenth century to modern times. Detroit: Wayne State University Press. p. 10. ISBN 9780814332214. , gives the total number of Armenian migrants at 130,000 in 1828-30 from both Persia and Turkey. I think it's ok to use the numbers given in Herzig & Kurkchiyan. --Երևանցի talk 10:41, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Aight, thanks for your opinion. I appreciate it. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Nice expansion of Grégoire-Pierre Agagianian. Your hard work doesn't go unnoticed. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! --Երևանցի talk 18:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Բարև :)[edit]

Բարև, Երևանցի ջան: Ինչպե՞ս ես: Զարմանալի է, որ անգլերեն Վիքիպեդիայում ես խմբագրում: Շնորհակալություն հայկական թեմատիկան զարգացնելու համար: --TonJ (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Բարև, հիանալի: Իսկ ինչու՞ է զարմանալի: Անգլերեն Վիքիպեդիայի լսարանը ամենամեծն է և իմ անգլերենի իմացությունը փորձում եմ լավագույնս ծառայեցնել հայերիս՝ անգլախոսներին ավելի լավ ներկայացնելուն: --Երևանցի talk 20:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Շնորհակալություն անգնահատելի գործիդ համար ;-)--TonJ (talk) 12:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide denial[edit]

Hello, in my large series of edits over the last three days to Armenian Genocide denial in which I sought to rid the article of its abhorrent genocide apologism and pro-Ottoman bias, I also changed "Cyprus" in its mention of having genocide denial laws to "(southern) Cyprus", as I was convinced no such law could exist in Northern Cyprus. I believe you took offense here, perhaps thinking I advocated the self-declared state's legitimacy, which was not my intention. Could you please clarify? Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

@Prinsgezinde: Thank you for your edits. I believe you made the contested changes in good faith. But the term "southern Cyprus" is usually used to legitimize Turkey's occupation of Cyprus' north. See here "Turkey, which does not recognise the Republic of Cyprus, and the Turkish Cypriot administration of the northern part of the island, do not accept the Republic's rule over the whole island and refer to it not by its international name, but as the "Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus"." e.g. [5] [6] [7]
The official and, in my opinion acceptable, term is "Republic of Cyprus". --Երևանցի talk 16:39, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I was unfamiliar with that usage. The original sentence was: "The denial of the Armenian Genocide is officially outlawed in Italy, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus and Slovakia." The fact that it didn't even mention that, if true, such Armenian Genocide denial would only be illegal in these countries because any form of genocide denial was illegal obviously intended to portray the old "Armenian conspiracy" as being powerful enough to "censor" countries. Anyway, in changing its tone I reasoned with myself that de facto Turkey would never allow person in Turkish-occupied Cyprus to be prosecuted for denying the Armenian Genocide. But I fully understand your point, and agree that we shouldn't promote it. Frankly, the page was filled with so many misleading and blatantly wrong claims that I'm not surprised I missed ones like this. The lead itself previously contained the apologistic line: "The Turkish government acknowledges that during World War I many Armenians died, but counters that Muslim Turks died as well, and claims that the number of Armenian victims has been inflated, and that massacres were committed by both sides as a result of inter-ethnic violence and the wider conflict of World War I." The whole article was a mess and frankly I was surprised it had been in that state for so long. Then I noticed articles like Turkish lobby in the United States and Armenian lobby in the United States (which previously called it one of the three "most effective ethnic lobbies in the United States" along with the Israeli and Greek ones), and POV-forks like Ottoman Armenian casualties and Ottoman Armenian population that carefully say "Western scholars say X"... It's pretty bad. I never know what to do about such large-scale problems but I'm glad people agree with most of the changes. Thanks for the input! Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Duduk[edit]

I've seen your edits on the duduk page. You are 100% correct. The true name of the duduk is the ծիրանափող/tsiranapogh. I don't understand the debate over this, outside of Azeris and Turks who want to Turkify everything they can. HyeSK (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)HyeSK

Image position[edit]

Hello Yerevantsi Why are you changing the position of my father's photograph on this page? You have twice moved it to the right when it looks far better on the left. Please give me an explanation. Philip Stokes Pdstokes (talk) 08:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if he was your father or not. The standard Wikipedia way of doing things is putting the default picture on the right side. But I couldn't care less. Do whatever you want. --Երևանցի talk 08:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Khojaly Massacre recognition[edit]

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Hasmik Karapetyan (Kirmizian)[edit]

Yerevantsi,

Hasmik and I were married a year ago and she took my last name. Stop reverting the page. HyeSK (talk) 09:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

"Encyclopedic dictionary of Azerbaijan toponyms. In two volumes. Volume I. Baku: "East-West". 2007. ISBN 978-9952-34-155-3"[edit]

Already pinged you, but just in case ping doesn't work (it bugs sometimes as you might have experienced), here is the RSN section I made about this "book". Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 00:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Aram I Keshishian[edit]

Barev

Please check this page cleaning

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Treaty of Kurakchay/Russo-Karabakhi Treaty[edit]

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Precious anniversary[edit]

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Four years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Visitor map[edit]

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The visitor map for Tsitsernakaberd needs updating. Do you mind putting the Czech Republic as red please? Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. --Երևանցի talk 09:18, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it's still orange...? Maybe my browser is using old data. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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Linda Sarsour and Hamas[edit]

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Accidental deletion?[edit]

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catenation is a form of OR in this case[edit]

Read the Sabanci talk page. The claim made is not explicitly made in the source given, and the rationale given at WP:RSN is a perfect example of WP:OR. The article falls under the strictures of WP:BLP and that policy requires that we not say that which a source does not explicitly say. Thank you. Collect (talk) 18:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Turns out, and I didn't even notice this, but the wording was yours? And it appears that your wording wasn't even sourced. If anything, doesn't that count at OR? Anyways, I'm fine with the RfC wording as well. --Երևանցի talk 19:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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Armenian heritage in Turkey[edit]

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Please stop removing sourced material with the most new data. You are contribution damages the articles.--Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ 13:17, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

How is the population of the Akhaltsikhe Municipality which includes dozens of villages relevant in an article about the city of Akhaltsikhe? --Երևանցի talk 13:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Nope that is not about municipality but it is self-governing city's statistics (ქ. ახალციხე). See here ► goo.gl/iLjKLj --Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ 13:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Giorgi Balakhadze: Then instead of reverting and removing sourced data, why don't you add the new data to the table? As I understand, Georgian are now a majority in the city. Kindly add those numbers to the table and cite the source. --Երևանցի talk 13:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
You removed them having not enough reason, that were my edits and you could ask before remove of the sourced material. p.s. Source is already written.--Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ 13:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Please reconsider withdrawing move proposal[edit]

https://twitter.com/drdaronacemoglu/status/507642286474526720 I think there's a problem here. You seem to have initiated something (a) based on lack of familiarity with the English wikipedia practice for Turkish letters, and more importantly (b) contrary to the BLP's own preferences. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

No, thanks. --Երևանցի talk 21:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm from "Armenia project" from Russian Wiki. I need help to find some books. I'm looking for "Les dynasties de la Caucasie chrétienne de l’Antiquité jusqu’au XIXe siècle". Can you help me to find it? PS sorry fo my English, I know it a little bit. Do you speak Rusiian? --Lori-m (talk) 12:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017[edit]

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Discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead. Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 11:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Requested books[edit]

Do you still need the two Russian books you requested at the Resource Exchange? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for another reminder, but just checking that you've seen the response to [[WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Ross Bagdasarian|your New York Times] request. If you still need a copy of the actual article (not just the text) for any reason, I would be happy to send that instead. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 17:07, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for reminding. I did receive it. --Երևանցի talk 08:41, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Ghazanchetsots Cathedral[edit]

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Might be of use[edit]

Given your area of conduct, I thought you might be interested in this material from Bournoutian's new book. Sorry in advance if you think I cluttered your talk page!

Bournoutian, George A. (2016). The 1820 Russian Survey of the Khanate of Shirvan: A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province prior to its Annexation by Russia. Gibb Memorial Trust.;

p. xvi

"As noted, in order to construct an Azerbaijani national history and identity based on the territorial definition of a nation, as well as to reduce the influence of Islam and Iran, the Azeri nationalists, prompted by Moscow devised an "Azeri" alphabet, which replaced the Arabo-Persian script. In the 1930s a number of Soviet historians, including the prominent Russian Orientalist, Ilya Petrushevskii, were instructed by the Kremlin to accept the totally unsubstantiated notion that the territory of the former Iranian khanates (except Yerevan, which had become Soviet Armenia) was part of an Azerbaijani nation. Petrushevskii's two important studies dealing with the South Caucasus, therefore, use the term Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani in his works on the history of the region from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries. Other Russian academics went even further and claimed that an Azeri nation had existed from ancient times and had continued to the present. Since all the Russian surveys and almost all nineteenth-century Russian primary sources referred to the Muslims who resided in the South Caucasus as "Tatars" and not "Azerbaijanis", Soviet historians simply substituted Azerbaijani for Tatars. Azeri historians and writers, starting in 1937, followed suit and began to view the three-thousand-year history of the region as that of Azerbaijan. The pre-Iranian, Iranian, and Arab eras were expunged. Anyone who lived in the territory of Soviet Azerbaijan was classified as Azeri; hence the great Iranian poet Nezami, who had written only in Persian, became the national poet of Azerbaijan.

p. xvii;

"Although after Stalin's death arguments rose between Azerbaijani historians and Soviet Iranologists dealing with the history of the region in ancient times (specifically the era of the Medes), no Soviet historian dared to question the use of the term Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani in modern times. As late as 1991, the Institute of History of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, published a book by an Azeri historian, in which it noy only equated the "Tatars" with the present-day Azeris, but the author, discussing the population numbers in 1842, also included Nakhichevan and Ordubad in "Azerbaijan". The author, just like Petrushevskii, totally ignored the fact that between 1828 and 1921, Nakhichivan and Ordubad were first part of the Armenian Province and then part of the Yerevan guberniia and had only become part of Soviet Azerbaijan, some eight decades later."

p. xv;

"Although the overwhelming number of nineteenth-century Russian and Iranian, as well as present-day European historians view the Iranian province of Azarbayjan and the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan as two separate geographical and political entities, modern Azeri historians and geographers view it as a single state that has been separated into "northern" and "southern" sectors and which will be united in the future."

p. xviii;

"Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the current Azeri historians have not only continued to use the terms "northern" and "southern" Azerbaijan, but also assert that the present-day Armenian Republic was a part of northern Azerbaijan. In their fury over what they view as the "Armenian occupation" of Nagorno-Karabakh [which incidentally was an autonomous Armenian region within Soviet Azerbaijan], Azeri politicians and historians deny any historic Armenian presence in the South Caucasus and add that all Armenian architectural monuments located in the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan are not Armenian but [Caucasian] Albanian."

- LouisAragon (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Much appreciated. --Երևանցի talk 20:56, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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Anomalocaris (talk) 05:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Done! ----Երևանցի talk 10:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:38, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Ghazanchetsots Cathedral[edit]

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Language assistance[edit]

Draft:Tskaltbila has been languishing in the pool of drafts to be reviewed at Articles for Creation for a couple months, probably because all the sources are in Armenian or Russian, and no reviewers are fluent in those languages. I'm hoping you would be willing to take a quick look at it. The bar of notability for populated places is quite low, so if you could assure reviewers that it has at least one reliable source and is not a hoax, I think it would be moved to article space, where any necessary improvements can be made. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Position of the media on the Armenian Genocide for deletion[edit]

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