User talk:Yms

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If you are interested in Ukraine-related themes, you may want to check out the Ukraine Portal, particularly the Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements and Portal:Ukraine/Ukraine-related Wikipedia notice board. The New article announcements board is probably the most important and the most attended one. Please don't forget to anounce there the new articles you create. Adding both boards to your watchlist is probably a good idea.

Finally, a similar boards exist at Russia portal. The respective boards there are: Portal:Russia/New article announcements and Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board. Of course there are also many other portals. --Irpen 05:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, буду знать :) --Yms 05:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Les Podervyansky

Hi Yms. To tell you the truth, I don't even remember reverting the article Les Podervyansky. It was a couple of weeks ago, so it's very fuzzy. I'm sorry if I reverted in error. ... discospinster 14:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you plan to restore it yourself or expect that someone else will do it? --Yms 04:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Hatikvah

Hey, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I have been looking for an mp3 of the Hungarian song "Tüzed, Uram Jézus" as per your request. Unfortunately, none seems to exist online. I did manage to find this excerpt http://boldogozseb.extra.hu/index.php?page=gitaros_korus. You'll have to search the following line at the middle of the page: "17.Tüzed, Uram, Jézus" and If you want to play it, just click and enjoy :) I'll keep on looking, though, because it's one of my favorite hymns. Korossyl 20:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I found it myself (don't remember where). But there exists a book of memories by Samuel Cohen where he wrote that it was Romanian song (quoted in the Web in Hebrew and Russian sources). Indeed, the mentioned "Carul cu boi" is the closest to Hatikvah. I just didn't have time to fix the article. BTW, the article about Samuel Cohen is wrong, because he never was a composer :) --Yms 20:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Cyrillic numerals in Cyrillic alphabet

Ah, I see there's a custom of answering in other person's talk page. So: Thanks for noticing. Well, I'd never think to look for such info in something like Early Cyrillic alphabet. Cyrillic alphabet seemed to not mention numerals, too. Let it be? —Yury Tarasievich 14:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Protocols

No, not really a typo. Protocols were first issued in a magazine named Millî İnkılâb (National Revolution) in 1934 (the year of the Thracian pogroms, known as Trakya Olayları in Turkish, which is apparently not a coincidence) but was not published as a book until 1943. Ciao! Behemoth 19:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Imad Mugniyah

hi, could you please provide a proof that the mentioned group "Islamic Liberation Organization" or the article in the NYT is somehow connected to Imad Mugniyah since there is nothing written in the former article?!

thanks --Mandavi 10:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

hi, most references are in Russian, but I found one in English: [1]. I hope it will be enough. --Yms 04:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

This search in Google gives a lot of references in Russian. (Searched words in Russian: Imad Arkady Katkov, the latter name is in accusative case to give more references.) --Yms 04:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Нуржиц or Норжич

For example, see here from the BBC. However, I agree, there's a lot more of the former rather than the latter, even though the mainstream news media definitely always used the latter. I'm going to go revert myself. Thanks. - crz crztalk 00:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. The most interesting indicator of which version is right are a few Russian pages about some other irrelevant people with the same surname (Нуржиц) [2] [3], but there are no Russian pages about Нуржич, Норжич or Норжиц other than related to Ramallah lynch. Thus, the name seems to be misspelled by Hebrew media (as you may know, Ц and Ч are essentially the same letter in Hebrew). --Yms 06:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

meta user

I am indeed meta user Errabee, and I voted to close the siberian wiki. Errabee 15:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Yms 15:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Siberian Wiki

Yes, the CRCulver who voted there is me, user CRCulver on the English Wikipedia. CRCulver 23:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Yms 06:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Meta vote

Thanks for checking with me and everyone else regarding the Meta vote on the closure of the Siberian Wiki!

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		For ensuring the safety and security of all of Wikimedia, and fairness in the chaotic vote for the closure of the Siberian Wikipedia, I award you with the Barnstar of Diligence. Thanks! ST47Talk 21:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

thank you :))) --Yms 07:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Image

I have restored the image as JReferee suggested. DGG (talk) 18:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanx. --Yms 19:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Renaissance / Albinoni

I note that you have removed the reference to Albinoni from the Renaissance (band) page with the comment "no it was not Albinoni". The track "Cold is Being" on the album "Turn of the Cards" is usually thought of as being based on a work by Albinoni - do you know different ? RGCorris (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The so-called "Albinoni's Adagio" is Giazotto's hoax and not so classical as it seems to be :) See Adagio in G minor. Since it's not a good example of using classical music by Renaissance, I removed it at all. --Yms (talk) 04:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Samuel Cohen

I appreciate your interest, but we don't disambiguate people as "Jewish settlers". Please get in the habit of using the talk page and discussing your changes first. He is properly disambiguated as a composer or arranger. His religion, ethnicity, and political status are not used for disambiguation. Viriditas (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

4 years passed since our last talk, but the article still called him wrongly a "composer". (He did not write a single note.) I tried hard to find a better title, but this is the best one I could find. But redirection to Hatikvah is indeed the best solution. If nobody would object, I'm totally agree. --Yms (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Lots of sources refer to him as a composer or arranger and dab categories aren't supposed to be narrowly defined. He was known for his work on a melody, not for his role as a "settler". Viriditas (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

These "lots of sources" must be unreliable, if they attribute the melody to Cohen. He did not work on a melody at all, he just put the known poem to the known tune (with a different metrical feet, BTW). Here are some more or less deeply detailed and reliable sources (some of them non-English, sorry): [4], [5] (from Shorter Jewish Encyclopedia), [6] Please give me some links if you have sources for your version. --Yms (talk) 04:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Wilkes, George R. "'Ha-Tikva'." Encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East and North Africa. Ed. Philip Mattar. 2nd ed. Vol. 2. New York: Macmillan Reference USA, 2004. 1007. NATION & WORLD.

"In 1882 Samuel Cohen, a settler of Rishon le-Zion originally from Moldavia, composed the melody, based on a Moldavian-Romanian folk song—"Carul cu Boi" (Cart and oxen)—also used in Bedrich Smetana's opera Moldau."

OK, if Moldau is an "opera", then Samuel Cohen is a "composer", why not? :))) BTW, you could emphasise "a settler" as well ;) --Yms (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the work is considered a symphonic poem not an opera, but Smetana was know for his Czech operas, so the error is understandable. Viriditas (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Many sources refer to Cohen as a composer, an arranger, and as someone who wrote the melody, regardless of where he got it. These are words and categories used to describe a person, regardless of how narrow or how broad their implications. To reiterate my point from before, we don't disambiguate a biographical subject based on their religion or political status unless that is what they are known for and there is another person by that same name with a similar status. In this case, Cohen is known for composing, arranging, and/or contributing a melody to the national anthem of Israel. It doesn't really matter what you call it just as long as it accurately reflects the notability of the subject, and "Jewish settler" isn't the correct dab term. Although I don't have it in front of me at the moment, I believe the Encyclopaedia Judaica also supports my claim. I can copy that information here if you don't have access to it. I would also like to point out that the two sources you've offered above do not seem to contradict the classification of Cohen as a composer or arranger, but this is rather your own interpretation of how the words should or should not be used in English in opposition to how the words are used. That's the problem at hand. For some reason known only to yourself, Cohen is only a "Jewish settler", not a composer or arranger who contributed to the national anthem of Israel. Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you maintain this strange view. Viriditas (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

After having read WP:QUALIFIER, I'm agree that the tag should be based on notability. But "composer" without the context is understood as occupation, so I would still suggest "...(Hatikvah composer)". But anyway, there is no point to agrue, once we redirected his article to Hatikvah. --Yms (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I would like to add that the main index volume for the Encyclopaedia Judaica disambiguated between less than a dozen Samuel Cohen's. The person we are discussing is listed as such:

Cohen, Samuel (comp., Er. Isr.) 7:1471

In other words, Samuel Cohen, composer, Land of Israel, volume 7, page 1471, which is an entry for Hatikvah. Viriditas (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder, what exactly is written in this entry about his role in composing the melody. Is it written that he borrowed the melody from Romanian song? --Yms (talk) 05:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Not much is written. Here is a sample from the entry:

In 1882 Imber read the poem to the farmers of Rishon le-Zion, who received it with enthusiasm. Soon afterward—probably in the same year—Samuel Cohen, who had come to Palestine from Moldavia in 1878 and settled in Rishon le-Zion, set the poem to a melody which he consciously based on a Moldavian-Rumanian folk song, Carul cu Boi ("Cart and Oxen"; see figure 1)...The true history of Ha-Tikvah was rediscovered independently by Menashe Ravina and by an Israel amateur musicologist, Eliahu Hacohen. The Moldavian Carul cu Boi is itself only one of the innumerable incarnations of a certain well-known melodic type (or pattern) found throughout Europe in both major and minor scale versions. Probably the earliest printed version of Ha-Tikvah with its melody is found in S. T. Friedland, Vier Lieder mit Benutzung syrischer Melodien...(1470-1472)

Thank you very much, this source knows what it writes, you convinced me :)

BTW, I believe that someday someone will find the notes of the original song in some Bucarest library, and the author of the melody will be there, because it doesn't look so folkish (e.g., it mentions electricity, the lyrics are here). --Yms (talk) 15:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Human Rights article

I have had a look through some other sources and it seems pretty clear that the incident can reasonably be treated in the context of human rights activism (see, e.g. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4216226,00.html). However, on reflection I think the inclusion of this incident does suffer from recentism and being given undue weight (it just doesn't seem that notable). So I'm happy to leave it out on those grounds.

Edit: By the way, I think your second revert might be considered a breach of 1RR but if anyone has a problem with it I'm happy to consider it a self-revert on my behalf.BothHandsBlack (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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In regards to your question about my old edit on Scheherazade and Other Stories, That was not my edit. In the one you cite, I was only moving sections, not making edits to text. That reference appeared in the page creation by Ftg3plus4. -Freekee (talk) 02:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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