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Alef

I don't understand your last change to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew).

  1. When containing nikud, [א] will be transliterated accordingly and can be any vowel. ← This seems to imply that (for example) לאכול would be transliterated "leeechol" (an "e" for each segol, plus an "e" for the alef). I don't think that can be what you mean?
  2. When used as a vowel (em kri'a), will be omitted. ← Properly speaking, alef is never used as a vowel. Also, only in very modern writing has alef become an actual em kri'a in the same way as hei, vav, and yud; in older writing wherever we see an alef it's either because it was actually pronounced , or because it was part of a root where it was usually pronounced. I think it best to describe this in terms of objectively recognizable properties (specifically, lacking a vowel or sheva) than to pull in terminology that not everyone will agree with.
  3. When followed by another vowel or a consonant with a shva, will be preceded by an apostrophe ('). ← I guess what you mean is that the alef will be written as an apostrophe (rather than "preceded" by one), but going by the discussion on the talk-page, it doesn't seem that we have consensus about this.

RuakhTALK 19:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your quick reply. :-)
  1. That way to look at it could potentially make sense, but it's not how we're describing the other letters. We're not saying that lamed should be written <l>, <la>, <le>, <li>, <lo>, or <lu>, depending on whether it has a vowel and if so what it is; rather, we're saying that it should be written <l>, and its vowel (if it has one) should be written after it. Hence, alef should be written <'> in some cases — it is preceded by the previous letter's vowel, and followed by its own vowel, and it itself is an apostrophe.
  2. That's how we describe it today, but to people more versed in ancient grammar, that's not how it really is. Those alefs weren't added as emot kri'a; when those words were first written, the alef was actually pronounced (as an unreleased glottal stop). Final alefs later became silent, such that they came to seem to be equivalent to final heis (which were always silent), and so now we view them as emot kri'a in the same way that final heis are; but people more versed in ancient grammar won't see it that way, and it's better to use objective terminology that doesn't depend on people's viewpoint.
  3. Will do.
RuakhTALK 15:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:lang-he

Hi Ynhockey. Sorry, but I've reverted your change to the lang-he template (and noted why on the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew) page). The new style just doesn't look right - for one it is too big and it also looks too blocky. I think the style we already had was fine - it fits in nicely with the general Wikipedia style (and is what he.wikipedia uses). Number 57 14:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I've replied on the Hebrew talk page just to say perhaps you could give a few examples of fonts and how they look with nikkud so we can make an informed decision. Number 57 22:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Boldface in transliterations

Oh no problem, it took about half a minute to fix -- Al Ameer son June 3, 2007, 21:23 (UTC)

A new edit in zangetsu

I put something in the paragraph wihcih outlines zangetsu's character  i want to know is that okay as in it can stay it is cited. Evxyza92 06:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Israel, gas masks

I'll post a message on Talk:Israel shortly.--Doron 20:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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SSL

  • Sorry, thought the answer was obvious. -NYC2TLV 17:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Sure, I have already created pages like Hilton Taba and don't mind adding all of the towers etc. -NYC2TLV 17:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yoram Aridor

Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Yoram Aridor, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on June 23 where you can improve it if you see fit.

Ynhockey, I have edited the article, and added a few references. Hope to see it on DYK. Derwig 18:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, it is difficult to keep track of, as it is updated every 6-12 hours, depending on available admins. If our article get selected a note will be posted on both our talk pages (see the one above your note on my talk page, notifying me that Charles Netter appeared on the main page).
    Personally, I enjoy looking at the main page and see an article or a fact I wrote, so when I have a nomination I add T:TDYK and T:DYK/N to my watchlist, and try to keep up with the pace. This way I am also able to respond to comments regarding my post. Derwig 17:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT:

Howdy, Thought you might like to know that the preferred use of DEFAULTSORT is using a ":" rather than a "|". Ref:template:DEFAULTSORT. Thanks! 23:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Same thing happened to me. I just use existing examples. Happy trails! Schmiteye 03:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 28 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yoram Aridor, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomanganitalk 12:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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removal of quick facts from Columbus Torah Academy

Thank you for improving upon the Columbus Torah Academy Page. I have removed some information which may be deemed inappropriate. Please review. Columbus Torah Academy. Thanks. Userpage •Talk Page• 19:03, 5 July 2007 (EST)

please contact me

Hello Yan,

My name is alex and I'm the one who was arquing about Shevah-Mofet article, please contact me at --removed address-- so we be able to discuss the details, I myself very interested to write an objective article about this school and I have lots of information.

--Alex Dwww (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


It's ok, this is my public email, I've been also working on another project that uses MediaWiki software :)

GA for Ashdod

I glad to inform you that Ashdod article passed GA nomination. It was my main task on Wiki. Thank you a lot for your contribution.Shmuliko 05:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Comparison of Internet forum software (Other)

Thank you for adding the See also section to that article. It was badly needed. I went ahead and applied a similar change to the other two articles in that group. Wrldwzrd89talk 12:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Area

Hi Yan,

I haven't been able to find the ICBS document detailing area. The He WP harvests the information using this bot. Perhaps you can locate it for the FLR. Cheers, TewfikTalk 04:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the ICBS page is terribly difficult to navigate. TewfikTalk 05:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, is there any way to differentiate between sections that have been constructed, are under construction, and have yet to be constructed? TewfikTalk 05:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC) Hi, Would it be possible to find a correct replacement for Image:EastJerusalemMap.jpg, which it was pointed out displays Musrara as being east of the Green Line? Also, any progress on sourcing for the area? Cheers, TewfikTalk 17:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,
I got the link, and renominated the list. I will soon get back to you re: the extensive post you left me, though I know that some of the points are by now moot. TewfikTalk 09:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

China allegations AfD

thanks for your thoughtful and kind feedback the other day. I just posted a proposal on the Talk page. I notice that you emphasized the NPOV of the article's Content in your vote. What do you think about the neutrality (NPOV) of the article's name (title)? Thanks, pls reply to my Talk or the AfD's talk, if you don't mind. HG | Talk 04:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

OrBat Graphic

It is done... Ground Forces OrBat Graphic --noclador 23:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Prison Guard Company: I used three sources for the OrBat - this link, the Military Balance Report 2006/07 and this info the very trustworthy user:Russoswiss dug up. The only source for the Prison Guard Company was globalsecurity and I wondered myself what good just one Prison Guard Company does, with thousands of militants in prison... If you think it does not belong here I will remove it- if you have more info on units of the various commands let me know and I will add or remove them.
Re: In the graphic the Erez and Taoz Battalions are subordinated to the Central Command… this info is based on globalsecurity too. The problem is that there is so little information out there, that there are surely some errors in the graphic, but this graphic is (without a doubt) the most accurate OrBat on all the Internet of the IDF Ground Forces.I will change the graphic every time new information comes to my knowledge and if you (or some of your colleagues) would like to let me know some information, please do so. --noclador 13:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
One can't say that Israel has the most open minded approach to revealing information on its military, for quite understandable reasons. As such, noclador here did a fantastic job compiling information from various sources that are all trustworthy (and which all have to face the fortress mentality of the IDF). However, none of us is Israeli in general and Tsahal serviceman in particular and our information is limited to what we can find in the languages we speak. A dedicated Israeli info-hunter is always welcome! Russoswiss 02:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Re: Mazi: My information says that the Mazi is being organized to become a full fledged Arm of the IDF- meaning that all Ground units and also the Southern, Central, Northern and Homefront Command will be under its direct command in the future. i.e. in the graphic you sent me the Logistics and Medical Directorate is still a command on its own, whereas in this graphic from the French military magazine "Raids" it is now subordinate to the Mazi and globalsecurity says: "Logistics & Medical Directorate (ATAL)(Maj General)(recently moved to MAZI control)". From what I know this process is still ongoing and not yet complete.
the graphic you sent me remembers me of the Inspectorate organization of the Italian Army and the Corps organization of the German Army- which are both responsible to provide the actual combat units with recruits, material and training, but do not participate or contribute in any way to operations- but the organization of the operative units is the interesting part and in my graphic I try to show these units as they do fight in operations. Therefore I think the structure is correct, but I also believe that there are still many units missing (the IDF Ground Forces strength is 125.000 men and assuming that a battalion has 600men there should be around 30-40 battalions more, about which I can not find any info... or the Ground Force isn't 125.000 strong.)
Prison Four & Prison Six are subject to which command??? --noclador 11:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

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Organization charts

I use Photoshop and InDesign. Sadly there isn't a special program for this out there. --noclador 09:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I sent you a email. --noclador 12:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Bleach article mergers.

Its getting out of hand. Now Hartebeest and Artist Formerly Known As Whocares have merged several articles. I do know there is something called WP:BOLD but its gone too far. I have unmerged Shinji Hirako for the time being, as I disagree with removing his article. But we need to come out with a solution fast.--Hanaichi 01:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Tommy Lapid

What are your thoughts on moving Yosef Lapid to Tommy Lapid per WP:COMMONNAME? I thought only Israeli news outlets referred to him as Tommy, but a quick google shows even the BBC does so (171 hits for Tommy vs 55 for Yosef). Number 57 12:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Be'er Sheva North Railway Station

An editor has proposed Be'er Sheva North Railway Station for deletion. What do you think? --Redaktor 16:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Just realized something

My source is someone within Ground Forces Command (Mazi) and the info he gave me on all units, branches and forces of the IDF was very detailed and almost completeye confirmed by gloablsecurity. I believe that this is a very good source- especially as it had info about everything and anything. Also it is much more interesting to see the operational structure of an Army (the one it is going to war with) than the administrative structure. --noclador 17:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Talk pages

As Sephiroth pointed out, Wikipedia is not a forum. Article talk pages should only be used to discuss the article and its improvement, not the article's topic. ~SnapperTo 18:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Bleach pages

I support a certain amount of the merging (we really didn't need a separate page on Yama's lieutenant, for instance), but you're right, it's definitely getting out of hand now. Merging without any regard for the end product actually being readable is far far worse than even the most overly subdivided case.

However, since I'm currently incredibly busy IRL (moving into my college dorm at the end of this week) and WP:FICT is in the middle of a serious rewrite attempt (which I'm trying to ensure doesn't end up contradicting itself), I haven't been doing too much to stop the merging. My apologies, I'll try to pay more attention to it, and definitely give the entire article set a good look-over once WP:FICT has settled down. --tjstrf talk 20:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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Plasan Sasa

Hi, I saw that you made some minor edits to the Plasan Sasa entry. For some reason there is no entry for פלסן סאסא on he.wiki - I thought that maybe you'd like to write/translate it. Dino246 06:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

My written Ivrit is not good enough to do it myself. I can read, understand and talk in Ivrit but my writing isn't up to the level needed for Wikipedia. Anyway, Shana Tova. Dino246 09:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

About Artist Formely Known...

He has now removed all the plot synopsis on most of the Bleach characters...did we have a discussion about this? Or did he just do it on his own accord? RedEyesMetal 22:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually he did it on his own accord. Not only did he do that, he actually went over to WP:FICT and posted our so called "merging trouble" there. So please, go voice your opinions there.--Hanaichi 02:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

SZAgassi Many thanks - you are right about the missquote (somewhat confusing)- will read more carefully next time. Should have known better, as I lived in Araqd in '71-72. By then it was built up. But my family's good friend in Haifa was in charge of the town planning and development —Preceding unsigned comment added by SZAgassi (talkcontribs) 15:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Really?

Where does it say that? -Sox207 23:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

But that is what I said on Babel talk, that professional would be for your profession, and professorial is "a title used for an academic expert and authority of a specific field in research" which would be English in this case. -Sox207 23:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
It's already created. But point being it is a level only available in English, because it is redundant for someone to have es-6, as you can't really contribute to an English Wikipedia. -Sox207 02:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
First of all, I know exactly the purpose to Babel, that yes, it helps to find translators. Second, "creating the template doesn't mean "it's already created,"" then why was it created? Third, you proved my point, to say "This user can contribute" at xx-5, is faulty because you aren't contributing to this Wikipedia, you are contributing to the other WPs, and if xx-5 should be used for translating, then it should say "This user can professionally use and translate "language" to/from English." or something like that. Also cite what you mean by "several" suggestions, I agree with student, because that is just vague, but what else do you mean? -Sox207 20:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright, we need to set up a place on the talk page like a discussion page where people "vote" 'delete' or 'keep,' because there doesn't seem to be that much activity on Babel anymore. -Sox207 20:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Indeed I will. What I am thinking is making a section look like a discussion section in a way, then maybe we should create a permanent section for such discussions, such as: "Babel Discussions" or something, seeing as subpages stand out a lot, and it will be on top, the discussions will be easy to see and contribute to. -Sox207 20:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I wish we had a members list like WikiProjects, then we could close the votes based on if 2/3 of the members voted, not including those on Wikibreak, etc. I already started the section at the top of WP:BABEL, if you want to add rules or whatnot go ahead. -Sox207 16:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

External links

OK, thanks for bringing that to my attention - I've been doing that ever since someone "corrected" me ages ago. Number 57 20:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Just in case you make any new MK articles, I've made a template, {{MKlink}} for external links to the Knesset site. If works by putting the article number of the Knesset website in lik so {{MKlink|id=764}}. I saw this on he.wikipedia and thought it was a good idea. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism at Israel Defense Forces ranks

Hi Ynhockey, the guy that is vandalizing Israel Defense Forces ranks is Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr wikipedias worst vandal... he is from Russia and lives in Israel now. As Bezeq does refuse to stop him, we have to deal with him... at least: if you mention the name to some administrators, they will ban his IP address immediately. That does not help as Bezeq immediately assigns him a new one (those fu...). Go to Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr to learn more about him... if you have an idea how to stop him, please do something, as three emails from me (and dozens from other users) to Bezeq have had 0 results. --noclador 21:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, maybe he was nice to you, but I do not believe that this user wants to contribute - over time: he vandalized thousands of pages, insulted dozens of users and admins, vandalized userpages and uploaded dozens of fake rank insignias - therefore he has been banned forever. The orders about him are: "Block on sight, revert any changes, delete POV forks". (see Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr
His worst month of action was June 2007, when he vandalized a page every 2 minutes. After threatening Bezeq with a block on all their IP addresses, Roitr disappeared. Now he is back and there is 0 tolerance regarding him (as agreed by the entire adminship of the english wiki). If he continues his vandalism than a call to Bezeq might really help (calls are always taken more serious than emails), but I agree with you, that for now, we do not need to take action yet, but if he returns to the vandalism level shown in June, action must be taken!
If he does do some vandalism from a specific IP address you can report him to the Administrators intervention against vandalism group by copying the following line into Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and entering his IP (this will get the specified IP blocked for a month):
{{IPvandal|enter IP address here}} [[Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr]] ~~~~
Good work on the Prison structure charts. It is interesting to learn, how the IDF organizes their MP units. --noclador 09:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


Personally I don't really care if his motivation to contribute is genuine or not. In the end, it all boils down to the same pattern: he reads and misinterprets something, then starts inserting his misinterpretation to the articles, providing no viable proof, then starts using sockpuppets to evade protects and blocks. This behaviour is clearly a serious vandalism and he really p!ssed admins off when he used about 15 sockpuppets in a single evening to upload several dozen counterfeit images. After my request, he has been banned from Wikipedia. --Dmitry (talkcontibs ) 16:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, something to ask.....

Hey, me and HanaIchi have been talking about Aizen's status. Now, I know you and I showed our lists back on the the Talkpage for List of Bleach Characters, that once December has aired the English dub, that we rename the Arrancarr section "Antagonists" and move Aizen, Gin and Tosen there. Now, I want to know that can us three and everyone else reach an agreement that once the dub airs, we perform that course of action? Out of people on Wiki, I seem to get along with you and HanaIchi the best. RedEyesMetal 17:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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MP's in the IDF

MP's are generally not highly regarded by combat units, mainly because they (combat soldiers) will receive a citation for poor appearance, etc. When I was doing reserves in the Jordan Valley they sent us some MP's so the MP's could see what combat soldiers do. I took them on a patrol along the river. We saw a snake, and I took a few shots at it. The MP next to me put his M-16 on full automatic and charged the snake, riddling it with bullets. The snake died.Tim the Bald 01:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Izuru Kira

There was none. He apparently took it upon himself to do it. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 18:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Because his edits are not vandalism. He's pursuing a legitimate bold action by merging articles that would have difficulty passing WP:FICT. Certainly, if you disagree, then you can revert him and start a discussion. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 23:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

MPs then and now

Thank you for your kind note. Your English is very good.

Yes, you are correct, there is apparently a lot of difference between the MP's of my time 30 years ago and what you do today. A little background...

Raful took over as Chief of Staff in 1978, and was determined to return discipline to the IDF after many stupid accidents. He ordered all soldiers to wear their berets. Previously, we had worn them under the shoulder epaulette. Well, of course the MP’s had a field day giving out new citations to all the soldiers they could catch who were not wearing berets.

One day Raful himself was riding in his staff car when he saw a soldier who was not wearing his beret. He rolled down his window and called for the soldier to come over. The solider saw it was Raful and fled. Raful sent one of his staff officers to chase the soldier. Apparently, he was caught and served 14 days in the lockups, though whether this was for not wearing the beret, or running away, was never made clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim the Bald (talkcontribs) 04:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Tim the Bald 04:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Tumbalaleika

You have recently removed a translation of the song of tumbaleika. I speak Yiddish fluently as it is my mother toung. The reason I put it the alternative translation is because alhtough it is not a literal translation it can be sang in the same tume as tumbalaeika and have roughly the same meaning. This is perfectly acceptable, such as "The Internationale" which is translated in many languages, is not a literal translation. So if someone wants to sing the Tumbalaleika in English, he/she can do so and this song has been sang on an offical recording in English. If you still believe I am wrong please expalin ~~user:marfan8

Dentention Centers etc.

  1. B"H, sherut kal ve-naim!
  2. Started cleanup.
  3. Am fairly sure it's Prisons Service plural, not singular: sherut batei ha'sohar. See 'ya 'round! Shir-El too 07:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry - I do tend to 'shoot from the hip' with facts. Will stick to verbiage. Take care, Shir-El too 00:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

WWII

Sorry about that - I'm sure the last time I checked it was located at Second World War - it must have been moved back. Good work on the articles though! пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Non-English terms

I reverted your edit to Ulquiorra because of this; zanpakutō is a foreign term, regardless of where it is written, it must be italisised per the guidelines. I'd be content if you could help out on doing this method to the others. If you reply, can you respond on your talk page? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 04:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Vandal

Hello Yan,

I actually saw the IP already, but you beat me to the rvs. I'll try to keep an eye on it if I'm on. I haven't forgotten about your long message on my Talk by the way, and I hope that I'll reply soon - bug me. Regarding maps it would be great if you could make a map of:

  1. the West Bank barrier that differentiates between built, not built, and not approved sections
  2. a factually correct map of Jerusalem to replace Image:EastJerusalemMap.jpg
  3. a replacement for the Sderot-Gaza proximity map with municipal borders of Sderot, Beit Hanoun, and Gaza

Enjoy prison, TewfikTalk 21:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Efrat

Are you crazy? According to international law all israeli settlements in Palestine are ILLEGAL! Please don't destroy wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cernochvole (talkcontribs) 22:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

You made a personal attack on the user on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎ (calling the edits "vandalism") and on this talk (calling the user "crazy"). He or she was removing an utterly improper edit from an anonymous editor that defined Efrat in the lead sentence as an "illegal" Israeli settlement. If anyone wants to know about the status and controversies over Israeli settlements they can follow the links and read up on them. To tag each article about a settlement to call it "illegal" in the lead sentence would be absurd. That kind of contentious WP:POV editing has no place on Wikipedia. Wikidemo (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)‎

Categories

Actually you got some of those recategorizations wrong. The date for Israel's creation refers to the borders as established by the UN partition plan in 1947. In the subsequent war, much fighting occurred outside those borders, until an armistice was drawn, and new boundaries determined. Some incidents occurring outside the UN sanctioned borders do not refer to Israel as it is today constituted, but to the areas outside Israel's May 15 boundaries, in areas marked out for an Arab state. Some of these areas were later incorporated into Israel (1967). Your judgements on categories appear to ignore these temporal distinctions. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem is best solved by simply creating a category (Israeli)Massacres of Palestinians (and, correspondingly, (1) Palestinian massacres of Israelis (2)Palestinian massacres of Jews), since geographical fluidity of borders in the area is notorious. The 1948 massacres are badly distributed because the formal ceasefire lines, and national boundaries as established through territorial gains, and settled by armistice agreements, occurred a full year afterwards. In the conceptual confusion one is going to get (1) Category of Palestinian massacres in 1948 (2) Category of massacres of Palestinians in Israel (3) Category of massacres of Palestinians in the Jordanian West Bank (4)(5) (6) etc etc. Morris provides for example documentation showing Eilabun as outside Israel 1948, as that was defined in intelligence papers. Nishidani (talk) 10:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Shagor info

Greetings, Ynhockey.I was wondering if you had any sources for the income and education sectors of the city of Shagor. I'm trying to improve the article some more because it has been in pretty much the same state (body wise) since July 6, 2007. If you have any references on the above sectors (or others for that matter) that you do not have to dig for, such as something from the ICBS or the city council, please use it. I know you created the article and have some expertise when it comes to Israeli localities and thats why I am asking you. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If you don't feel like editing or are too busy at the moment you can give me any of the potential sources that are in English and I could make additions. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah I see. Do you know or have an idea if the publication for this specific subject is available in English. Either way I'm on the website on another tab and I'll see what I could find. Thanks! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

All local authority publications are in Hebrew. Unfortunately they are pdf files and cannot be translated into English by a search engine. Did you find anything in English? --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Is the info I'm looking for here. [1] --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Needed Shagor Stats:

  • Makeup of males and females in population.
  • Age percentages
  • number of salaried workers
  • Mean monthly salary
  • number of schools and and the size of the student body

I understand that these stats may or may not be available since the city was founded not too long ago. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It most certainly did! I can't thank you enough for finding the info so fast. I will add it to the article now. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to be a bother but I have another list of info needed for the Shagor article. I'm basically trying to prepare it for a peer review for perhaps GA-Status. The most alarming issue is the politics section of the town I just made (I just relocated existing text to a more appropriate section). The boycott issue between Majd al-Krum and Deir al-Asad does exist as residents of the city have told me this when I visited there two summers ago. However there is no document (as far as I can see) to back this or any source to inform us whether the problem persists today. I'm not sure if the ICBS has any info on that, if not it is understandable. The list of additions for other sectors is
  • The number of 12th grade students that received matriculate certificates
  • Weather averages
  • Sports teams if any
  • Any source of history before 1948 War. (I couldn't find anything on the Shaghur, obviously because it was founded in 2003. Although I was wondering whether to find any history from the city components to incorporate into the article. Cheers and Good luck! -- Al Ameer son (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, I'm adding it now. I have two questions however on the sports info.
  1. Is the source for the sports teams the ICBS?
  2. Could a municipality team be a part of more than one league? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find a league website. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I merged the component articles into Shagor.

I added some more stats to the article from 2003 with a CBS publication table I added a while back. I just extracted as much info as I could understand. Do you have updated versions of these statistics, there all in one edit here. Also can you provide the CBS ref you extracted the stats I requested in the past so that I may use it as a citation in the article? --Al Ameer son 03:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)