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I noticed Yobot has been going through many pages to remove "nested=yes" from banners in WPBS, but I can't seem to find the approval for this task. Anomie 15:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

...I was just about to say the same thing... Matt (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Unlike the above, I'm not worried about the approval, I'm just curious how this removal lets the nesting remain, which I'd like to know how to do StarM 22:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

To all: I already replied in my talk page and in Anomie's talk page. Anyway, nested is a useless parameter but other bots already remove it more efficiently as an addition to other jobs. To StarM, now WPBS enables nesting automatically and that;s the reason the parameter can be removed. -- Magioladitis (talk)

Got it, thanks. Don't think (or a t least I didn't know) it was automagic before. StarM 23:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

You're making edits to remove "nested=yes" again to no purpose and without approval. Anomie 20:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I left the home on hurry and I left AWB turned on. :( My apologies. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
As {{WPBS}} has not needed |nested= to function since very early this year and {{WPB}}, in its original form, never needed it, why should |nested= not be removed? JimCubb (talk) 01:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Anomie means that should not be removed exclusively and massively because this will trigger a lot of watchlists. If you are doing more on the talk page, for example adding listas, you should remove nested. Right now Yobot is removing nested while adding living. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Let's see if I have this right. Yobot is adding a value to |living= which is absolutely necessary and should have been done when the page was created and is removing the |nested= if the parameter is there because |nested= is no longer needed.
The addition of the value to |living= would trigger the watchlists. It should serve as a message to the editors that something was wrong with the page they were watching. Unfortunately, from what I have seen, most will merely complain that there are too many changes to articles on their watchlists.
JimCubb (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
You are right, just sometimes Yobot is just removing nested without adding living. I requested a modification of AWB to get it right. Thanks for your comments. Please in the future use my talk page and not this one. Have a nice day. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
  • It's still doing these low-value edits? [1]xenotalk 17:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh. AWB's next release I forgot to copy KingbotK plugin in the main directory. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Still seeing low-value edits pop up on my watchlist. –xenotalk 23:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
How is possible?? I ll check all my xml files and resave them. -- Yobot (talk) 00:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Duno.. [2]xenotalk 00:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
...and I had to do this [3] manually. It was denying to tag it :S -- Yobot (talk) 00:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Probably because it already had a WPBio banner, peculiarly stuck down in the middle of some text [4]. –xenotalk 00:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Nested does not exist anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Pointless edits?


In edits such as this one, Yobot has worked solely to replace the {{bio}} template redirect with the {{WPBiography}} target and put line spacing in the template. These edits seem counterproductive per WP:NOTBROKEN's description and seem to be merely fixing a problem which never existed in the first place. Is there any real benefit from these types of edits at all? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 00:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree - here is a new edit that doesn't make sense: a banner about adhering to the policy about biographies of living persons. The only biographies in the article are about A. and B. Alexandrov, who are both dead, are not controviersial figures, are not criticised figures, and are well-sourced. Everyone else in the article is merely named, and there is no controversial or critical material on the page. There has been neither controversial biographical material nor criticism of individuals here in the past. What is the point of the banner?--Storye book (talk) 15:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
This article it's about an active muscial group and alive people are getting involved. So, it was to be tagged with {{blp}}. -- Yobot (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

substitution of BD


AFAIK categories of death and births must be the last in the list, because they are least significant. - Altenmann >t 17:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no ordering for categorisation. Unless, you have a link with a new policy that I am not aware of. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

External links: clean up and adding Category:Year of birth missing (living people) using AWB

Hi there. Interesting edit [5], but Category:Year of birth missing (living people) hasn't been added or am I missing something? --Edcolins (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Year of birth missing (living people) is already present in the article, so Yobot just removed the unnecessary category. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the reply. I hadn't noticed the category, as it is hidden (I didn't even know that was possible...). --Edcolins (talk) 12:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. All Year of... categories are hidden (it's possible to create hidden categories in Wikipedia!) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It is a mistake to try to shoehorn traditional Arabic names into the European naming scheme of inherited surnames...


This bot is inappropriately trying to shoehorn articles about individuals with Arabic names into the European style of inherited lastname-surnames. Here is an example.

This is extremely inappropriate -- and damaging. Other bots assume that the "listas" parameter can be relied upon -- was place there by a knowledgeable human being. Geo Swan (talk) 15:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yobot is not adding listas. This is only the first edit of a string of edits where I usually press the bottom to begin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand your reply. The diff I supplied shows that the Yobot edit added an inappropriate listas parameter. Geo Swan (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Yobot is not dealing with listas but with living. I usually load a list and I am testing the first 1-2 edits manually before doing automatically edits. KingbotK plugin adds listas automatically if it is in manual mode. It seems I pressed OK without thinking. So, it won't be more than 2 edits where Yobot added listas. -- Yobot (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot bug regarding Category:Possibly living people


The bot replaced Category:Possibly living people with Category:Year of death missing for two cases of persons born in 1900: Walter Matthews‎ and Charles Richard. There was no source or indication thate these people have died, and the possibly living category remains valid for birthdates of 1887 or later. Dl2000 (talk) 15:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You are right about the lower bound (1887). That's why, as you may see, I prefered Possibly Living people instead of Year of death missing in most cases. (I did the edits manually to better control the situation). Is supposed for these two individuals if there are still alive they would be noted in List of Canadian supercentenarians. Now, that I reconsidering it that was a mistake. Sorry for that. Magioladitis -- Yobot (talk) 15:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Living People error


Yobot added Luqman Ali to the Category:Living people even though the article states that Ali died on August 19, 2007. Systems polk (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. Article was in Living people category because of false use of Lifetime. Not Yobot's error. I fixed it. Please for this kind of inconsistencies use User talk:Magioladitis instead of this page. Thanks, Yobot (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Same thing here. I need help. The bot repeatedly changed Benoît Chamoux's status to being a living person. You can't bring him back from the dead, no matter how hard you try. Qwrk (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Page was misplaced in wring categories. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)



Why is Yobot replacing lifetime with DEFAULTSORT and categories, is there any consensus for these changes? Martin451 (talk) 00:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yobot is still replacing {{lifetime}} with {{DEFAULTSORT}} and the categories that {{lifetime}} generates automatically. This is contrary to guidelines and consensus. Please stop doing this. JimCubb (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion in Template talk:Lifetime where Rich explains. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

If you're going to make useless edits...


like this one, why not remove the template when there's nothing but other templates? --NE2 22:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

… and here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Nice idea. I'll continue from my normal account. IMO, the main problem is that talkheader is not moved on the top due to some AWB bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
My plan was to make all the cleanups written in WP:TPL at once. But due to bugs of AWB it's impossible right now. During this process I reported 5 (five) bugs. This replacement it was like step 1. I'll continue manually and not automatic mainly due to a serious bug and of course due to the things you just noticed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Now, AWB provides built-in talk page general fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Bot needs immediate attention


Your bot has made the following edit without any basis that I can see. Perhaps the bot needs to be stopped until it can be refined to ensure that this does not happen again.-- Mattinbgn\talk 02:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I found the problem. This articles is in Category:Melbourne gangland killings which is under Category:Murdered mobsters i.e. dead people. I fixed it. This is mainly the problem of confusion between an article and a category with the same name. The article involves murdered mobsters and it's correctly categorised but the category should not sub-categorised with this way. Thanks for reporting and sorry for this mistake. Sometimes subcategories slip over. -- Yobot (talk) 06:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Changing Date of birth missing cat


Hello. Yobot has been changing Category:Date of birth missing to Category:Date of birth missing (living people) on the talk page of subjects in the Category:Possibly living people, e.g. on Jimmy Robertson (footballer born 1910). In such cases, according to the description at Category:Date of birth missing (living people), this is wrong and just Category:Date of birth missing is correct. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I 'll do one more run to fix these. They should not be many. Thanks, Yobot (talk) 08:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Number of bad edits


This bot has been replacing {{Lifetime}} templates and has made a mess of a lot of articles, some of them including: Fandy Mochtar, Dominique Jean-Zéphirin, Donald Thobega, Christopher Bryan. -- BigDom 20:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

It's being fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)



Hi there I believe you have disputed the neutrality my article about hon.Ali Mirzad. I agree with your findings and did the necessary edits . please remove your Dispute Stamp at your earliest convenience. thank you --JamshidAwal (talk) 08:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Never edited by Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


why are you bypassing {{WPBS}}? βcommand 03:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

This helps editors to understand which template is that. KingbotK plugin bypasses the redirect for years. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I was just about to come here and say the same thing about {{WPCanada}}. You should not be removing the redirect. In some cases its done on purpose. Please read WP:NOTBROKEN. -DJSasso (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I stopped it but WP:NOTBROKEN has nothing to do with that. I bypass redirects to projects while making other changes to help editors. If you read NOTBROKEN carefully it has to do with possible future articles, hidden text that complicates the code and piped links. Renaming cryptic names to clear long names helps editors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Going to have to pile-on here and agree that edits such as these [6] are probably best left to the regular cycle of KingbotK editors and bots making other substantive edits. –xenotalk 17:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with that. I did some tests to additionally do these changes while tagging. I'll have to make a list to see which redirects I can bypass while tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't the plugin do it automagically? –xenotalk 17:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Only the WPBS. I ran a sample of 300 articles with a short list of possible redirects to have an idea of what's going on.

PS: Check this one. Moving talk header on the top becomes part of genfixes per WP:TPL. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm I typically don't run genfixes when tagging tho. –xenotalk 17:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The bot is still making low value changes (contrary to WP:R2D): [7]. Is this a configuration error? –xenotalk 17:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Today we did some changes to TalkPageHeader in AWB (You can check my dialogue with Rjw). I am testing. I had to move to yobot for some minutes because I am doing something else right now. I loaded a list of 50 articles. If we are to make thousands of edits soon we have to be sure that we don't ruin talkheader parameters in articles. PS Check my answers above about NOTBROKEN. This is not the case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so you're testing AWB. Sorry for the intrusion then. You may want to specify that in the summary. –xenotalk 18:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Yesterday, I added "test edits". I am sorry that I forgot after switch acvount but I am doing 3 things at the same time. I am dealing with a copy-vio, discussing a bug and trying to see if the new changes work. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Let me know if I can be of any assistance; carry on. –xenotalk 18:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
In this one I had the correct edit summary. I forgot to put "minor edit" in the last series of tries. Once again sorry. Ps My discussion with Rjw in search=yes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Start inheriting classes whilst you tag


Would you consider importing contributions's auto-inheritance matrix into your WP:BIOGRAPHY tagging task? As you can see from User:Xenobot/R#WP:BIOGRAPHY it was applied to over 25,000 articles without incident. It would help keep the size of Category:Unassessed biography articles down. I pasted the relevant portions of the settings to here. Cheers, –xenotalk 15:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I can do it. I ll make some tests and then fill in a request to take approval from BAG. It should not be a big problem (I hope!) PS For future requests please use my talk page instead. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

{{WikiProjectBanner}} → {{WikiProjectBanners}}


You are turning a lot of templates into {{WikiProjectBanner}} (which does not exist), it should be {{WikiProjectBanners}}. Gabbe (talk) 16:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Normally the substitution is done by KingbotK plugin. I had the not so clever idea to do the substitution with Find and Replace this time. Thanks for reporting. I noticed all tranclusion have been fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Bug fixed for good now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

{{WPBiography}} for musical works?


You have added the Template:WPBiography to scores of musical works. Why? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Musical groups are part of WPBiography. Which article do you have in mind? Did you check if there was any human category (i.e. xxxx births, xxxx deaths, Living people, etc) in the article? -- Yobot (talk) 13:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
You are adding Template:WPBiography to articles about operas, lists of compositions etc. that are definitely not biographical (e.g. Talk:Simplicius (operetta), Talk:Die Fledermaus, Talk:List of operettas by Johann Strauss II). Can you please stop the bot and re-write the script? Meanwhile I am reverting the edits. Thank you. --Kleinzach 13:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

We have to find why this happened. Today I am running only though 18xx's births with Follow redirects off. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Found and fixed. As it's written in Yobot's page, mistakes can be done due to wrong categorisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

At most 111 articles were affected from that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you remove all the banners from the 111 articles? N.B. These Biography Project banners are of no practical use since there is no human backup for them anyway.--Kleinzach 14:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
It would be helpful if you could revert.
I don't quite understand the cause of the problem, nor how you fixed it. If those birth/death categories in Category:Johann Strauss II were wrong, aren't all the other personal categories also wrong and should be removed? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I didn't check the sup and sub categorisation of Johan Strauss II in detail. I am more interested in birth/death/people categories. Yobot is running only in subcats of these 3 kinds. So it won't again re-tag these pages now. PS Use my talk page for general discussion. Messages here interrupt Yobot from keep working. Thanks, Yobot (talk) 14:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Kleinzach

Found and fixed. As it's written in Yobot's page, mistakes can be done due to wrong categorisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

At most 111 articles were affected from that. Do you want me to go and revert? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yes please. --Kleinzach 14:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I am waiting for Yobot to stop tagging to use AWB to revert the affected pages. It won't take a long. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you please stop working on other composers as I am sure there are many others that are similar to Johann Strauss II in the way they are categorized. --Kleinzach 14:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I am working in subcats of 1810s births, 1820s births and 1830s births. I stopped Yobot and I am checking. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Removed cats from Listz too. We were lucky and Yobot didn't run though there yet. Removed the articles in question. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Done. These were all. That was close. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Liszt? As I expected . . .--Kleinzach 14:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
There will be many composers in those years. Please don't include them. --Kleinzach 14:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Composers yes but the problem was categories named after them that had births/deaths cats inside. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Suggest checking Richard Wagner and Giuseppe Verdi. --Kleinzach 14:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Check the subcategories in Category:1830s births for example. "P" means pages, "C" categories. 1810-1819 births dont' contain any subcats. So we are ok. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
(My method is faster) -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Last two days categories (1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s) were also clean. 1800s is clean as well. You can help by checking in other centuries. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
No, thank you. I have no wish to help clutter up talk pages with useless, impractical banners. --Kleinzach 14:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I meant you can help looking for other categories improperly subcategorised so we prevent same mistakes in the future. But I think I'll do it later today. Thank again for reporting and for helping locating the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
  1. 15:33, 20 January 2010 (hist | diff) m Category:Pierre-Domonique Bazaine ‎ (removed birth/death categories. article needs these catefgories but the category is not a subcat of births nor deaths)
  2. 15:32, 20 January 2010 (hist | diff) m Category:Heinrich Heine ‎ (removed birth/death categories. article needs these catefgories but the category is not a subcat of births nor deaths)
  3. 15:32, 20 January 2010 (hist | diff) m Category:Franz Schubert ‎ (removed birth/death categories. article needs these categories but the category is not a subcat of births nor deaths)

-- Magioladitis (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong tags removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Michael Bednarek

Found and fixed. As it's written in Yobot's page, mistakes can be done due to wrong categorisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep the discussion here. At most 111 articles were affected. All part of Category:Johann Strauss II. Do you want me to check and fix? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't keep writing in my bot's talk page because the problem found and fixed. Now we are in the phase of reverting the affected pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

(ec) I was under the impression it was customary that a discussion continues where it started.
It would be helpful if you could revert.
I don't quite understand the cause of the problem, nor how you fixed it. If those birth/death categories in Category:Johann Strauss II were wrong, aren't all the other personal categories also wrong and should be removed? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I 'll copy the whole discussion in my bot's page when it ends to prevent more interruptions.
I didn't check the sup and sub categorisation of Johan Strauss II in detail. I am more interested in birth/death/people categories. Yobot is running only in subcats of these 3 kinds. So it won't again re-tag these pages now. In an hour Yobot will finish tagging. The rest pages are outside- Johan Strauss II. I'll go and revert the affected pages. I can also check if the rest of categories apply to Johan Strauss II. Thanks again, Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I've asked Magioladitis/Yobot not to do any other composers as there are probably others that are categorized in a similar way. (In any case no-one needs these Biography Project banners as there is no human backup for them. All they do is take assessments off other banners by bot. They are just spam.) --Kleinzach 14:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The categories I am working today (1810s, 1820s, 1830s births) are now clean of unnecessary categories. I 'll do a scan later today for more. Sorry for any inconvenience. I think I can switch back to my normal account now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
1800s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s births were clean. Thanks once again for reporting. Magioladitis (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong tags removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect addition of section headings

Hi, the bot is making unnecessary additions of section headings within {{archive box}} templates. See this and this for example. — Cheers, JackLee talk 04:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I reported the bug to one of AWB developers. If you find any more errors of the same kind please fix them or report them so I fix them. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 08:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
rev 6221 Fixed. Thanks again. We still have to look for errors occurred in the last run. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect statement of demise of Benoît Chamoux


Need help. The bot repeatedly changed Benoît Chamoux's status to being a living person. You can't bring him back from the dead, no matter how hard you try. Qwrk (talk) 12:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I clearly see in the article that this person is in Category:Living people. This is the reason this person is tagged in the talk page as living. Moreover, I don't see any evidence that he is dead. He is also in the Disappeared people category. --Magioladitis (talk) 12:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it by removing category Living people. Please read instrucions in User:Yobot to see how you can fix easy cases like this one. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 13:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

What's this for?

Hi Yobot

Why have you filled up my watchlist with a long series of edits such as this one to Talk:Families in the Oireachtas?

As far as I can see, all that you have done here is to remove some unused parameters from a template. Why not just leave them be? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I have forgotten to load the plugin before editing. This happened because I upgraded to the latest AWB recently. I fixed it already. My apologies. This is what is was supposed to be done. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
That's still just removing empty parameters. Why do this? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I think he may be talking about the removing adding "living=no" since it isn't a BLP? The removing empty parameters was just a bonus. Not sure tho. –xenotalk 20:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to add the living=no as I showed to my example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I was only looking at the {{WikiProject Ireland}} parameters, but now I see what you did to {{WPBiography}}. Thanks for the explanation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry for the mess. You can help by adding the living parameter in all talk pages that have WPbiography and are in your watchlist. I ensure you that Yobot won't touch these articles anymore. :) PS If a biography article is not about a living person then living=no should be added. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

More pointless edits

Your bot is doing pointless edits, removing unused parameters from templates: e.g. [8]. Please stop. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The bot has started again. Has it been fixed? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I did some test edits to ensure it. Same problem with before. Question: Why are are so many Irish-related articles with empty parameters and nested parameter? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Because when my bot did the initial tagging of them, it supplied a value only for the parameters which could be known by the simple bot, but put in all the others without a value to make it easier for editors to do the assessment. I can see no benefit in removing them, and good reasons not to do so. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Usually I didn't have problem just running though all articles without restrictions because they are that needed only replacement and no parameter addition were a small proportion of the total. That's why I am asking. I am more interesting in removing the nested parameter while doing other things, because it's deprecated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, if it's removing a deprecated or redundant parameter, that's a Good Thing™ ... but it's a pity that the bot can't remove a redundant parameter without removing other parameters. However, I guess that's a function of the plugin, and out of your control, and if so then it's an unavoidable side-effect. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it! It was my old Find&Replace list. I ll leave all other parameters unchanged. Thanks for the heads up. I think I am putting AWB to do too much at the same time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

[9] Just bypassing redirect? –xenotalk 19:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

This is automatically done by the plugin. This is counted as an edit from KingbotK. Nothing to do to stop it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps an option to the plugin ought be added "skip if only redirect bypassed or whitespace changed". Since the edit basically violates a guideline and AWB's rules of use. –xenotalk 19:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, the guideline is not broken. These redirects of templates are not just variations of a title that could be expanded to produce another article. Bypassing redirects as WPBiography helps in consistency and makes it easier to locate a template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't really buy that. These edits are next-to-pointless and have no effect on the rendered page (insignificant and inconsequential)... I see there's less than 100 redirects from {{tl|bio}} so go ahead and finish up, but edits like this aren't supposed to be done. –xenotalk 19:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Bypassing redirect of WPBiography is done for ages. That's why they are so few. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't make it right... It shouldn't be done on its own, per AWB rules of use. –xenotalk 19:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
There is longstanding consensus that edits should should not be made purely to replace functional redirects (thereby generating needless activity, page history and server strain). You refer to "consistency" that benefits no one, as it's okay if a redirect is used (and no harder to reach a template page via that name, so your "easier to locate a template" argument makes no sense).
I'm politely asking you once more—as you have been asked on several occasions—to cease these activities. If I see your bot performing such edits again, I will be left with no alternative but to block it to halt the recurring disruption. —David Levy 19:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I ll ask modification of the Plugin code. Just FYI, this was done by many other bots, Kingbot for example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Do you know whether Kingbot and/or other bots currently are programmed to perform such edits? —David Levy 19:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
My bot uses WP:Plugin++ would make these edits if I didn't work around it by ensuring my list contained only pages that the bot would do other, more substantive work on. –xenotalk 20:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The WP:Plugin++ is in general outdated and needs big improvements, there is a plan to rewrite the whole code but not earlier than in summer. I did some effort to cleanup the template in the last month and with the help of the AWB developers we moved some of the genfixes outside the plugin to better handle me. Just a clarification: This is a code related problem. I fixed any old settings problems by resaving all my settings files. I am sorry for this inconvenience but I invest more time in using tthe bot at the moment than improving it because I want to get done with the backlog in Biography articles without living parameter. I probably won't be online for the next few weeks. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Marked some replacements as minor to avoid this problem. -- Yobot (talk) 21:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

More pointless edits, e.g. [12] [13]xenotalk 20:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

This shouldn't be happening. I ll stop the bot and try to fix it later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I have "skip if no MoveDABLinks is not called" and "skip if only genfixes". Maybe it's the "skip if only whitespace". -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Is the otheruses -> other uses a custom F&R? Marked minor? –xenotalk 20:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I think the problem is that cosmetics fixing around DABlinks is part of the MoveDABlinks. -- Yobot (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

[14] redirect is not broken. –xenotalk 15:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


The bot is again performing needless edits (such as bypassing the functional template redirect "otheruses4" and replacing "Image:" with "File:" in image transclusions). I'm posting this message to halt these edits. Please refrain from programming your bot in this manner. Thank you. —David Levy 01:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a discussion in Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
What approved task replaces "Image:" with "File:"? I am concerned about this edit.--Kevinkor2 (talk) 09:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
In the link you provided Otheruses moved on the top. The replacement is just a minor fix (Image is a redirect of File). -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Which task is this


Which BRFA pertains to this edit? — Carl (CBM · talk) 22:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be connected with Wikipedia:AWB/B#AWB_unicodifies_pages_even_if_option_is_disactivated. I don't expect to be many of those. I manually checked some hundreds and they all were ok. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

This kind of changes do not (or should not) happen on math pages anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Something wrong with Yobot


It seems to be adding r/n/r/n/r/n to every deadend tag it puts on a page. Katharineamy (talk) 14:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

It is this bug. Now fixed. I have now to go back and fix some mess. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Yobot's got a bunch more edits involving the {{wikify}} tag with spurious \r\n\r\n, which need to be fixed. nneonneo talk 02:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
There were all fixed. The bug was adding \r\n\r\n under every tag it was adding. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)



Your bot claims to be working for insects, but it just seems to be adding section headers willy-nilly. Does the bot have approval to do this? It seems like you're just running general fixes without any substantive work. –xenotalk 21:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Some path lead from Category:Insects to these pages! I just noticed and checking. -- Magioladitis 21:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to build a list of what transcludes the template you're replacing? –xenotalk 21:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
They asked me to replace the template only in the subcategories of Insects. I wonder how I end up working with some Indian people. -- Yobot (talk) 21:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Then perhaps -skip if not contains (the template you're looking for), or build an intersection of the pages in your worklist with the pages that transclude the template. Categories are a mess, you'll eventually get from peas to soup. Skip if only general fixes, too. –xenotalk 21:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I have skip if genfixes on but it still make them. Do you want me to post you the settings file? -- Yobot (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Weird... Just add the rule skip if not contains (the template you're replacing)... –xenotalk 21:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I am checking AWB's code. Maybe is something wrong because we work on talkpage space. Talk page genfixes are something new and we have them in a separate file. I ll add skip if not contains. Thanks for the advice and the patience! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Seems to be malfunctioning again: [15]. –xenotalk 15:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
    Didn't stop on message, so blocked for now. –xenotalk 16:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
It stopped and I pressed continue. Bot still running from last time. No new snapshot is on yet so I am still using the old version. I tried to compile the latest snashot alone but I am having some problems to do it in Windows 7. Proportion of pages actually edits over those loaded is less than 5%, there won't be many edits before bot completes. PS Parallel, I am fixing some pages that have blp outside WPBiography. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Now AWB provides built-in talk page general fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

BLP tags in articles about music groups


A question has come up at WikiProject Musicians about music group tagging, and it was pointed out that your bot does this, or at least did so a year ago. I see an explanation for this is on your bot's user page. Can I presume your bot still does this? Also, we are looking for a rule or decision that this should be done. I found a discussion at BLP from April 2009 (Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Archive 21#Are Groups of Persons Covered?) where consensus seemed to be against it, so if you can provide info about s different place where this was discussed, with a different outcome, we would like to know. Please note: there are no objections to what your bot is doing. It would be best to reply at the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#living=yes for articles about musical groups, but if you respond here instead, I'll pass it on. Thanks. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Removing expand tags?


Why is this thing removing expand tags from articles that haven't been expanded? Cases in point Cashis or 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

For two main reasons:

-- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Please reverse this bot


At present it is tagging vast numbers of biographies of long dead people with a BLP tag. (Also reported on WP:ANI.) Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Yobot (talk) 06:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Improper line feeds, date revisions

The bot is inserting improper line feeds into the name attribute of ref elements, as illustrated by this edit. The same edit illustrates undocumented changes to accessdate formats. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

On the accessdate: Per {{cite web}}'s documentation accessdate must be in one of the following formats: Day Month Year, Month Day, Year, YYYY-MM-DD. The ones Yobot fixed were in non of them. The rest were in YYYY-MM-DD format and Yobot aligned the YYYY-Month-DD format to them.
On the refs: The break lines were already there. Yobot added the quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)



Hi Yo - your bot put a tag on Pindar objecting to ibid, of which there was only once instance, now removed. Can you remove the tag now or is there some other issue? Ta Amphitryoniades (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Since you fixed the Ibid issue, feel free to remove the tag alone. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

bad orphan tag


Hi, in this edit you marked Negative binomial distribution/box with an orphan tag. It is linked from Negative binomial distribution (top of the page) using two curly braces. Might want to update the code that identified orphans. 018 (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Prevent retagging as uncategorized?


In this edit, Yobot tagget an article incorrectly as uncategorized; as a comment at the bottom of the article states, the category listings are deliberately included in the redirects to the article, because the article is about two closely related conference series and it's better for them to show up separately in the category. I don't fault the bot for not recognizing this, but is there some way to prevent it from coming around and doing it again? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's a particularly good way to go about things, but you could use {{bots|deny=Yobot}}. –xenotalk 18:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Yobot adding strange characters


Yobot is adding strings such as r\n\r\n to articles it tags. Make it stop. Abductive (reasoning) 01:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

This happened a month ago! This is already fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
My bad, saw May 10 where it said April 10. Still, somebody who was aware of the bot's malfunction should have fixed the error, which remained in the article for over a month. Abductive (reasoning) 20:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it was fixed in all articles. Maybe I missed some. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Archiving this talk page


Your talk page is becoming too long with inactive discussions; can {{archiveme}} be added on the top of the page? --Gh87 (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I am archiving the whole page at the end of June. -- Yobot (talk) 06:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Bad bot behavior


I have been creating articles on World War I flying aces; in the process, I have been leaving the death dates vacant when unknown because that is what I had been advised. Now your bot insists there is a cohort of creaky old geezers creaking about in their 120s. I am manually correcting the problem, and burying them all. I have also decided to ignore prior advice, and add "unknown" under death date. It's going to be a long haul; I probably have a couple hundred articles out there where death date is unknown.

Georgejdorner (talk) 15:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Please stop using this bot on biographies of World War I flying aces. It keeps marking aces as being alive. There are no living World War I aviators left; the few WWI vets left were ground-bound warriors.

I am tired of correcting this bot's errors, and if it continues, I am faced with the prospect of correcting some hundreds of entries because of advice that the death date in the info box should not be filled in if unknown. I repeat, there are hundreds of bios bearing this blank, and your bot will probably eventually find them all.

Georgejdorner (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I answered in my talk page where you left a message. Let me summarise:

  • My bot ran this task 3 days ago so nothing changed between your first and second message.
  • If the Year of death is unknown to you (but not verifiable unknown) please add Category:Year of death missing to the article.
    • If you have more info on the death, for example you know the century of the decade please add a more accurate category like Category:20th-century deaths etc.
  • Per consensus, every person that was born in the last 123 years that we don't have any evidence of death is marked as alive. The reason is to be sure that we are protecting the person's rights. Wikipedia take biographies of living people really seriously. Check WP:BLP for more.

I have some info on the tagging on User:Yobot. I don't know if they are enough.

If you have more questions I would be more than happy to help. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

Hello Yobot,

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia using AutoWikiBrowser. Unfortunately, many of these edits, perhaps by mistake, seem to be trivial. The AWB rules indicate that use of the tool should be avoided solely for trivial edits.

With regret, further use of the tool in this manner could result in your right to use it being removed.

AWB now includes many automated skip options, and also the very useful RegExTypoFix, for correcting spelling mistakes. Consider enabling that, and then telling AWB to skip if no typo fixes are made.

You assured us in Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 10 that these very trivial edits would be "done only in addition to bot's main tasks", however these 1500 edits seem to do the minor insignificant redirect bypasses all on their own (with a general fix here and there). –xenotalk 13:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I went out for lunch and forgot Yobot running. We are working in re-writing KingbotK. Main problem is that WPBS and WPB are treated differently by KingbotK probably and probably both wrong. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, if KingbotK is being re-written maybe I can forgive you ;> –xenotalk 13:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
As you may see I stopped Yobot doing the usual craziness before your message. And something for you: User:Magioladitis/KingbotK. Please help me write the WPBiography part. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Expanded/tweaked. –xenotalk 14:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
As far as the WPBiography part - to be honest whenever I work on WPBiography I just leave it as is... i.e. if it uses the banner on multiple lines or single line. Is that what you meant? –xenotalk 14:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! I 've been testing the performance of AWB on talk page today. The question is if AWB is slow on talk pages in general or is due to the KingbotK's plugin regex. I ll finish writing the algorithmic part so we can proceed in implementing the plugin from the scratch.
We need to write a nice algorithm of what the plugin should do as fixes to the WPBiography. I 'll do some work on it later this afternoon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
One thing we should do is ditch the moving of blp=yes to the bottom. It fails, and is frankly unnecessary (Wikipedia talk:AWB/B#blp=yes added to wrong location). –xenotalk 14:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
This is my first aim. This is in BannerShells. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Auto-shelling would be awesome. But my code currently requires either standard form names or the presence of a "class=" to identify banners. –xenotalk 14:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Funky headers


I undid your header addition at Talk:Cochlea. Please don't do that. Dicklyon (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

What did you expect? This was a customised non-standard message. I replaced it with {{talk header}}. In my opinion both the message and the template are useless. All editors can use "New section" to create a new topic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Bot is breaking templates



{WikiProjectBanners - Needs one more opening curly brace there. -- (talk) 13:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

  • The bot shouldn't be doing these edits in the first place... Testing, I presume. –xenotalk 13:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. At about 30 pages affected. Fixing now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiProjectBannerShell fixes will be added in AWB's genfixes. We are moving them out of the KingbotK Plugin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff. As far as I can tell, I haven't been granted access to the ts yet, so you might ping at WT:DDR for that list you wanted. Or try CatScan 2.0 to see if it can do what you want. –xenotalk 13:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

rev 6714 as first step. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Plugin has been rewritten + AWB now provides built-in talk page general fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

spelling error in edit summary


There's a spelling error in your edit summary, dude: "WikiProhect". Hesperian 13:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

insignificant edits to talk pages

Yobot has been making insignificant edits such as [18] [19] on talk pages. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I 've been doing some profiling to check performance of latest changes with and without KingbotK plugin loaded. The last few days we rewrote WikiProjectBannerShell fixes as general fixes for talk pages. Thanks for stopping it because I got disrupted and forgot it running. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't read the top of the page and didn't realize it would stop the bot :(. I thought I would just leave a comment in case there was some configuration parameter that wasn't right. I'll remember in the future that editing here stops the bot, and use your talk page if I don't want to do that. (It seems stopped now, so this comment should be safe.) — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
No problem. I hope at the end of the summer we will present a new bugs-free plugin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Multiple messed up talk page edits!

[20] - broke the collapsing of WikiProjectBanners, inserting an odd header in an purposeful html comment, and make another pointless change. Granted, it made me investigate the more intracate mostly undocumented WikiProjectBannerShell's collapse parameters, but it didn't even do that correctly :\. RN 15:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Now, after checking contributions, it's messing up a ton of talk pages using the 1= screwup. It seems to have stopped for now but if it continues will reecommend blocking to an admin. RN 16:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The parameter 1= is fine. The problem is it should be changing WikiProjectBanners with WikiProjectBannerShell with parameter collapsed=yes. This was already reported in my talk page and we (AWB) will fix it. The spirit of theses tests is exactly to find these small errors and prevend them in the future. --Magioladitis (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant to say "edits with the 1= change", sorry. However, with all due respect it's not a small error when it messes up 100+ talk pages; hopefully the bot is or will be changed to be smart enough to go back and fix all the pages it edited incorrectly (as with corrent changes it can't tell by parsing whether a page wanted it collapsed or not, it would have to look at its log), otherwise it just makes pointless extra work for editors. That said, thanks for the response :); if I sound harsh it's because I hate misbehaving bots with a passion ;p. RN 05:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I am working on the WP:AWB project. We just rewrote a part of an old plugin as part of the main code. Some problems in the beginning should be expected. The fixes I did are not part of the program we are distributing yet so there won't be much mess and I have time to locate errors as the two you just reported and fix them. Fixing the talk pages is not a big problem since there was a bot that collapsed/uncollapsed WikiProjectBannerShell depending on the number of WikiProject banners included. I noticed myself tenths of pages that had only 1 or 2 WikiProjects and still were using the collapsed version of WPBS. Please don't hesitate to leave me more messages reporting similar problems. One reminder: You can stop the bot just by leaving a message here. No reason to request block and lose time :) Thanks again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

rev 6813 fixes one of the bugs you reported. No more headers inside html comments. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Stop making pointless edits

Your repeated edits to Talk:History of Bristol are not apptreciated. Talk page headers are only for pages where there likely to be disputes. Please read and understand Template:Talk_header. Banner shells are not needed where there are only two projects. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Yobot didn't add any talk header! It just moved the talk header on the top per WP:TPL. It's users' job to decide whether a header is needed or not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Project importance ratings


I noticed that you a lot if pointless edits that are also removing WikiProject importance ratings form WikiProject banners. Please stop this disruptive behavior immediately. —Farix (t | c) 13:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

After a request at my talk page, I cleaned Category:Film banners using obsolete parameters, a task people dealing with WikiProject Film wanted. Moreover, if you check the category above and/or my log the task is already over since yesterday. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Useless edits

Edits like these really need to stop. Completely. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I think we have, in AWB, to characterise these changes as minor. This will enable us to skip the page if skipping the redirect is the only change. Thanks for the feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I too think this type of edits (as mentioned by MZMcBride) should be stopped. I don't see any strong purpose of such large-scale editing. Rehman(+) 13:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Please stop with the trivial and useless editing, such as this most recent [21], and then the same thing WP Journals, and unneccessary edits to WPBS, and the list apparently goes on. The purpose of AWB is not for such trivial editing. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 13:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I did finish. I was asked if some trivial replacements should be part of AWB's genfixes. I did some runs to check execution time. I wrote something on it in my talk page. I really don't indent to keep doing these edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Surely you can come up with something less trivial to do when conducting these tests? (Perhaps you would like to borrow my shelling code?) Yobot doesn't have approval to make minor, insignificant redirect bypasses, even for testing purposes. –xenotalk 13:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I 'll ask if the other guys can do dry runs without having to save the page as I do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
But, so far, for the last month, the bot hasn't quit the trivial editing, even when people have asked to stop. An answer, (a rationalization) similar to the one above this entry is given, and then the bot moves on to the next massive, trivial editng task. This issue was brought up before about BD tags, and other items. The entreaty to abide by WP:NOTBROKEN was simply discounted as having nothing to do with the issue. And recently, the mistake with changing BD tags appears to have been repeated. Somehow BD changes to Default Sort or the other way around. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 14:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Replacing BD/Lifetime is an approved task based on consensus. BD hides categories inside a template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Where is this consenus, please? Do you have a link to the consensus discussion?----Steve Quinn (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Here you are:
At first glance, these are not in depth consensus discussions. Nor do these appear to have any kind of widespread approval. I would like other editors to comment about this as well. I think there is a consistent misinterpretation of how to carry out the intended task, and maybe what the task should be. I have to assume good intentions, however, and it has that appearance. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The tasks were approved by BAG, but perhaps consensus has changed as to their utility? Maybe an RFC should be filed. –xenotalk 14:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

The discussion about BD lasted some months! Many editors expressed their opinion on the subject. I was collecting problems on the use of BD for months and recorded tenths of cases. It is/was an in depth consensus. Feel free to open the subject again. My opinion is clear: Categories should be hidden inside templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Should not, I think you mean to say. Tend to agree. –xenotalk 17:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes. "should not". I spent my whole day replying to comments today! I am exhausted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
BD to Default Sort are not the only issues here. It is the issues of changing WPBS to Wikipedia Banner Shell, WP Journals to Wikipedia Academic Journals, some sort of change to Wikiproject Biography templates. I see over at User:Magioladitis's talk page that this has been going on for some months. I am wondering if this trivial mass editing going to stop. xeno, has offered some sort of program to test edits on this Yobot. Or how about just using AWB in a normal editing fashion, instead of as a new (or old) toy. I know Magioladitis believes he has consenus. But all the months of complaints point to a lack of consensus. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I agreed to stop these mass test edits. I spent more than I month to move some fixes from KingbotK plugin to main general fixes in AWB because we had to change the programming language and fix the bugs of the previous code. Now, after tenths of code improvements we are finished with this part. Moreover, the more of templates we have in standard form (WikiProject foo) the best for other jobs we would like to do in the future, like more WPBS general fixes. Plus, this style enchances code readability. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
WPBS does not need to be fixed, and nothing was wrong with it in the first place. And that is the point of all these complaints. There was nothing that needed to be fixed. Furthermore, a small group editors (or one editor) do not determine policy on Wikipedia. Editors have these options and that is the way it is. And, having options in not the same as needing to be fixed.----Steve Quinn (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree that WPBS should not be bypassed if there is no significant reason to edit the page, but undoing the edits once the milk has been spilled makes even less sense... –xenotalk 22:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Steve Quinn, replacing WPBS with it full name was the task of KingbotK plugin for ages. Now, it's part of AWB's genfixes. For most of the editors is easier to read full names in order to understand the functionally. The complains were about triggering watchlists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
xeno, I agee that undoing these edits does not make sense, and undoing these edits on a mass scale would be a case where time and resources could be better used elsewhere. The milk has been spilled. Magioladitis, writing that for most editors it is easier to read the full name is an over-generalization. No one can speak for most of the editors on Wikipedia. And this is another rationalization. From your response it appears that the bot will continue to change WPBS templates, even though there is no reason to do so, and there is nothing to be fixed. Also, I reiterate - a small group of editors (or one editor) do not determine policy on Wikipedia.----Steve Quinn (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Yobot will be keep replacing WPBS with WikiProjectBannerShell wjile tagging, exactly as all AWB tagging bots, including the bot of xeno. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely. If the bot is there for a good reason, bypassing template redirects makes perfect sense. But not as the only reason for an edit. –xenotalk 23:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict again!) Yobot won't solely do any replacements on WPBS. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
So, just to clarify: Yobot will not edit solely to bypass redirects. In other words edits like this from yesterday have now ceased, unless they are part of a significant edit? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes. Notice in that edit: 1 replacement is done by F&R, 1 by genfixes and 1 by Plugin. The plugin may bypass a redirect while not doing anything else. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't answer the question. The edit linked by MSGJ is entirely insignificant. It doesn't matter which piece of AWB did what edit. The edit shouldn't have been done at all, because there was nothing significant to do. –xenotalk 22:14, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I answered "yes" for my part. This edit was before the discussion here. I just give a heads up of possible situations while dealing with AWB bots. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but it is the responsibility of the operator to ensure the bot doesn't make insignificant edits. It seemed like the bit after the 'yes' was trying to say it was AWB's fault... –xenotalk 22:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Forgive me for chiming in. However, I just want to note that the edits, brought to our attention by MSGJ ([22]) are a good example of the unnecessary edits which occured. First, changing WPGR to WikiProject Greece was unwarrented, and changing WPBIO to WPBiography was also unwarrented. Moreover, it appears that WPBS already had the 1= parameter, and therefore did not need to be changed to WikiProjectBannerShell . This also appears to be consistent with the responses I received. In other words, I received no justification. Although, why this happened still baffles me (I am in the dark) we have agreed to move on and I am willing to leave it at that.----Steve Quinn (talk) 02:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
As I wrote in my talk page and here many times, I tested performance of 3 methods because skipping the redirects will be part of AWB's general fixes. In the last weeks/months we did a lot of improvements on AWB's code in this direction. The story has as follows: Till AWB's version KingbtoK Plugin, an important tagging plugin was out-of-date and full of bugs. We decided to clean and rewrite the code. My idea, which we implemented was to take some of the side-features of the plugin and move them to general fixes i.e. write a new code that does some of the previous job in a better way. Part of the new general fixes was to make fixes in WikiProjectBannerShell. Since the plugin and AWB are not written in the same programing language this wasn't that easy. While doing that, xeno and many others requested more fixes done in the same way. I did some lengthly tests to check performance since the new function was slowing AWB a lot. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
About the standarisation: We would like to have all WikiProject banners in the WikiProject foo form so we can more easily identify them and update them. For more check Wikipedia:Banner standardisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
In that case, I apologize that you had to repeat yourself one more time, and thank you for doing so. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)



Your bot made a very weird edit in June. [23]

{{WPMACAU}} is not equivalent to {{WikiProject Middle Ages}} - exactly how many templates your bot has messed up, I've no idea, but there should be some. {{WikiProject Middle AgesCAU}} does not exist. (talk) 08:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Problem has been fixed now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)