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Are Yopienso's ideas chiseled in marble?
No, this is just a page for her thoughts and yours.


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Este es el formato normal de bienvenida que está en inglés y es de mucha ayuda cuando uno recién comienza a conocer Wikipedia.
Muchas gracias por escribir tus comentarios en el discussion page antes de editar el artículo. Aunque en principio en Wikipedia se permite editar con libertad, cuando no se está seguro es mejor discutir primero en el discussion(talk) page del artículo. De nuevo bienvenida (o bienvenido, no se jeje)  Rosa 19:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Adding references can be easy[edit]

Just follow the steps 1, 2 and 3 as shown and fill in the details
Hello! Here's how to add references from reliable sources for the content you add to Wikipedia. This helps maintain the Wikipedia policy of verifiability.

Adding well formatted references is actually quite easy:

  1. While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "Cite". Click on it.
  2. Then click on "Templates".
  3. Choose the most appropriate template and fill in as many details as you can. This will add a well formatted reference that is helpful in case the web URL (or "website link") becomes inactive in the future.
  4. Click on Preview when you're done filling out the 'Cite (web/news/book/journal)' to make sure that the reference is correct.
  5. Click on Insert to insert the reference into your editing window content.
  6. Click on Show preview to Preview all your editing changes.
  • Before clicking on Save page, check that a References header   ==References==   is near the end of the article.
  • And check that   {{Reflist}}    is directly underneath that header.
7.  Click on Save page. ...and you've just added a complete reference to a Wikipedia article.

You can read more about this on Help:Edit toolbar or see this video File:RefTools.ogv.
Hope this helps, --Shearonink (talk) 17:11, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your friendliness. That's just an automatic template for what I can type in myself using fewer characters. What gives me tizzies is this stuff. Personally, I think all history articles should be cited in the standard Chicago (or Turabian) style for the discipline. YoPienso (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh yeah...due to your editing history/experience I figured you didn't really need any editing templates at all but I find this one useful especially for placing on new editors talk pages or for where editors are having trouble with citing information - thought you might need it someday here in WP-land. And YES! I find the "Sfn" style to be a real pain to deal with. I know some folks really like it but MAN it is so hard for me to code...I'm converting all the #TJF cites in the Jefferson article to direct linkage cites and it takes me *forever* just to get through one single ref conversion. The good news is after I get them all done I sure as hell will know how to do it. Shearonink (talk) 20:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Error notice on article Pakistan[edit]

Thank you for attempting to fix the error notice on Pakistan. Unfortunately you didn't fix it, as it had not been created by my edit, but a week ago by contributor Fahaddar65. I have now corrected it, I believe.
To make sure we are both talking about the same error, please check that I have removed it and let me know, if not.
Apuldram (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. Funny--what I did got rid of the red notice, to my surprise. I couldn't find the actual error. Thanks! YoPienso (talk) 02:08, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thank you for the kind message! I'm sorry it took me so long to reply.

P.S. -- I am also a Christ-follower. Have a blessed day!

LewistonMan (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Sorry I've not been maintaining this page. Merry Christmas! YoPienso (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

May I have your opinion?[edit]

Humour in the Bible. We should have that article, right? The closest I can find is Printers have persecuted me without a cause and that´s different. I´ve collected a few sources at [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Maybe. I hadn't thought about it. Would have to see draft of article. I guess I sound humorless?? Face-smile.svg YoPienso (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
I´ll take that strong and definite maybe. I´ll be back, maybe. Conservapedia has it [2], but I think we can do better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Fiat Pagina: The Bible and humor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

For that Joseph Ellis TJ article link[edit]

Snoopy02a.jpg Thank you
In case you're wondering "why this cat?" - no particular reason, just that this little grey cat is one of my favorite images on Commons. Shearonink (talk) 03:14, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Oh--thank you! (a little late) It's nice working with you. Because we're cool cats. ;} YoPienso (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Andrew Jackson[edit]

We have worked together in the past on presidents’ articles and I thought you’d like to know that this article is up for promotion to Featured Article. I would be grateful if you would take a look at the article to see if you might like to support it for promotion. Hoppyh (talk) 23:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation. I'm pretty busy right now but will look. YoPienso (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Canterbury Cathedral[edit]

Hi Yopienso. Just a courtesy note to let you know I've reverted your change choir screen -> rood screen. Please see the article talk page for my reasons and feel free to disagree there. :-) Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I see you're right. Thanks for the note. YoPienso (talk) 03:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years![edit]

Precious
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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. YoPienso (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

I am appreciative of your collaborative approach, and your christian devotion. I saw a reflection this am and just thought you’d like it, from Fr. Richard Rohr about the mirror...”The mirror is without ego and without judgement. In the mirror, everything is revealed as it really is. There is no dis­criminating mind or self-consciousness on the part of the mirror. If something comes, the mirror reflects it; if the object moves on, the mirror lets it move on. The mirror is always empty of itself and therefore able to receive the other. The mirror has no pre­conditions for entry or acceptance. It receives and reflects back what is there, nothing more and nothing less. The mirror is perfect love and perfect contemplation.” Cheers! Hoppyh (talk) 15:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

That's good. Thanks and blessings! YoPienso (talk) 03:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help at Nero Claudius Drusus[edit]

After all this time here, I have no idea who to go to to lock an article that an IP is vandalizing. I found instructions to warn him on his talkpage, but he doesn't have one. YoPienso (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

not an admin You looking for Wikipedia:Requests for page protection? Oshwah's blocked the most recent vandal has been blocked for 36 hours (2001:48F8:2A:159B:F5CF:9A3:3994:1BD8 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • robtex.com • Google)). Their talk paged should be linked there, too - that one had been warned thrice and blocked accordingly. Good luck with the vandals (Vandals?), Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 03:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Frankly, I have better luck with burgundy. YoPienso (talk) 03:59, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

For future reference: you can go to WP:ANI to report incidents to administrators (ie it's the Administrators' Notice board for Incidents). An admin will then look at the case and take any action he deems appropriate. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm going to request the page be protected because we have a different IP # (possibly the same human) doing the same thing again. YoPienso (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
@Rotideypoc41352:@Martin of Sheffield: Well, so much for that. Wikipedia:Requests for page protection says I have to paste in pagelinks, and I can't find out what that is. (I put "pagelinks" into the search engine and got nothing.) Way too complicated. The article needs to be locked so only registered users can edit it. YoPienso (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
What is required is the name of the page. In this particular case you would need to add:
=== [[Nero Claudius Drusus]] ===
* {{pagelinks|Nero Claudius Drusus}}
'''Semi-protection:''' High level of IP vandalism. ~~~~
This though is only if there are multiple threats to the page. If there is just a single nuisance use WP:ANI to get the user blocked. I note that the two IPs you have been concerned about, 2001:48F8:2A:159B:EC72:1317:8582:8750 and 2001:48F8:2A:159B:F5CF:9A3:3994:1BD8 have both now been blocked by user:Oshwah. Both addresses are traceable to Midco, and ISP covering around 1.2 million people in Minnesota, Kansas and Wisconsin. Getting further back than that isn't possible for a mere pleb like me! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:47, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

My response at Leo Tolstoy[edit]

Please see my response to your recent comment about your research and the links you provided. My work, and its findings and assertions concerning the activities of James Bevel, has been criticized in the discussion. From my point-of-view this criticism comes from editors who know little or nothing about the subject that they are talking about. And that's fine, as most of it, if not all of it, was done in good faith. But this last thing was so off-the-mark that maybe you can consider making it right. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I'm really kind of lost in the thickets of that discussion. I'm sorry that I don't know what you're referring to by "this last thing was so off-the-mark."
The last thing I did was amend my statement per Snow Rise's comment that Bevel shouldn't be in the lead with Tolstoy and Gandhi, but perhaps farther down in the article.
Just before that, I changed the wording from demonstrated to reminded, since you kept asking what we'd demonstrated. After thinking about it, I realized we hadn't demonstrated--provided arguments and sources--but simply reminded you about historical facts you surely must know.
Before that, I fixed a duplicate link.
I truly have no idea how I've offended you.
The paper of yours I can't find online is "James L. Bevel, the Strategist of the 1960s Civil Rights Movement." You say it's from 1984, so maybe Google books is wrong to say it's from 1964. I found the title, but can't access the text.
The paper of yours I linked to is on the Middlebury College website and says nothing about Tolstoy, so is irrelevant to the discussion on the Tolstoy talk page.
I wish you well, and feel that I'm being fair and polite. I really don't want to continue to argue forever, though. Your arguments support having a stand-alone article on Bevel, which we have. No one is suggesting we delete or reduce it. No one is detracting from Bevel's achievements. YoPienso (talk) 04:42, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
To say it simpler, you say in the discussion comment that you cannot find my 1984 paper, and then you link to it in the same sentence. Yes, Google books is incorrect. The link you provided is from the paper's reprint in the Garrow book, including the paper's historically important 1988 addendum, which Garrow allowed. I'm just asking that once you realize you linked to the paper in the same sentence that you say you couldn't find it, you perhaps may consider striking and editing some of that comment. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
You're so confusing. The mysterious link you say I provided--which is it?
This one, that shows only the title and no text?
This one--that doesn't even mention Tolstoy?
This one or this one in Garrow's book--which call Bevel an aide, advisor, and lieutenant, and which you didn't write?
Please post a link to your paper right here. Thank you. YoPienso (talk) 13:38, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
The one you say I didn't write (good grief). What I didn't write was the quote you used and attributed to David Garrow, which was written by neither of us but is from a feature article taken as a source from the Chicago Reader. You already posted it, so you can now read the entire paper. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Please post the link to the text of your paper right here or stay off my talk page. YoPienso (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
You already posted a link to it a couple inches above, the paper you say I didn't write. But you know, staying off your talk page isn't a bad idea. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
I posted four links, none of which go to the text of a paper you wrote showing Tolstoy's influence on James Bevel or that Bevel was a pivotal 20th-century figure like Tolstoy and Gandhi.
My only possible interpretation of your refusal to post a link to your paper is that you are simply being disruptive. YoPienso (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization in the Thomas Jefferson article[edit]

In my edit summary I specified the reason for changing the capitalization – that is, to conform to MOS:JOBTITLES. Even though you were provided the link, it appears that you did not take a minute to read and understand the MoS. Please do so now, and then undo the damage. Chris the speller yack 02:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Chris.
Longstanding consensus is to capitalize the title President of the United States in the lead of the articles on American presidents. If you check the article titles of List of Presidents of the United States and List of Vice Presidents of the United States, you will see that President and Vice President are capitalized. There has been some discussion on exactly this point, and the consensus was to capitalize. Please check here, specially the comments of the closer, Enric Naval.
I noticed your edit because I watch Thomas Jefferson. After finding your note here, I checked your recent contributions and found you've "corrected" many such capitalizations across the encyclopedia. Please do not change the capitalization in the biographies of the American presidents; they are all uniformly capitalized and don't require adjustments. Thanks. YoPienso (talk) 05:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
What was settled one way 6 years ago is now settled in a different way. The current consensus is to use lower case for "president" when "president" is modified: The MoS says "Nixon was the 37th president of the United States." That is why you see the capitalization changing. Now that you know, you can do the right thing. Chris the speller yack 21:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Besides that, there is no reason at all for upper case in "he took office as president," and similar cases. And no reason to use upper case for "the society"; the proper, full uppercased name of that society has already been mentioned. This is clearly covered in MOS:INSTITUTIONS. Since all my changes were valid, and since the vast majority of them are (or should be) uncontested, I will restore them and we can proceed from there. Chris the speller yack 21:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: your punctuation edit to George Washington[edit]

In this edit you changed a variety of quotation marks usage. Some of your changes, so far as I can tell, are in error - at least according to the Chicago Manual of Style and commonly-accepted grammar & punctuation practices. If I am referring to someone's title, and the title is rendered as "Mr President", then the trailing punctuation - the period, the comma, etc. - is outside the title as it is set off with the quotation marks. If I am writing down a conversation and it is.... She said "Well, I want my sandwich." then the punctuation is part of the conversation...the commas, the periods....and the marks go outside the trailing punctuation. If I am not explaining this very well, then maybe take a look at Quotation marks in English. Anyway, appreciate all your work on the article, seems like it's been a hard slog lately.... I think those changes should be changed back, at least the ones concerned with a title.
For example:

His incumbency established many precedents still in use today, such as the Cabinet system, the inaugural address, and the title "Mr. President."

should be

His incumbency established many precedents still in use today, such as the Cabinet system, the inaugural address, and the title "Mr. President".

Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 07:00, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful comments and request. I'm going to copy this to the article talk page. YoPienso (talk) 08:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)